Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails -Michael

Thanks Mike. When the wind builds in the Santa Barbra Channel we get 4-6 ft swell. Above 25 knots we can have 6-9 ft plus. Depends how much it is blowing outside the islands. I have a S 2 but as you state it is really rolly down wind in a 4-6 ft swell, even twinged down. I am looking for something more pole forward and with less shoulders. For those less than 150 degree apparent days. Randy Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: It is my experience that a 1.5 oz spinnaker is typically smaller than a .75 oz spinnaker. The heavier the weight of the cloth is for higher winds. A 1.5 oz spinnaker may be cut with fatter shoulders for heavy air running downwind. Don't forget your tweakers, as they don't call it the "death roll" for nothing. From: Saylorran <sa… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails -Charlie Charlie. I have a question about spinnakers. Is a 1.5 oz the same diminsions as a .75 oz? Flatter cut less shoulders? respectfully, Randy Cal 2-29 Out Patient "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: Site looks very good, Allen. Congrats. One piece of trivia. It is Bacon Sails, rather than Becon. They are only three miles from my house, so I could be of assistance to our listees and listettes if needed. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:17 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails I will look into adding https://www.schurrsails.com but right now their web site is down. Allen On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:00 AM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Excellent Resource. It took me a while to figure out boat type meant boat manufacturer or brand. I was pleased with Schurr Sails in Pensacola when I purchased a used sail from them and had them make some repairs. > Reggie > ________________________________ > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: al… [at] gmail.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:43:50 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Navpod & pedestal guard > > > You guys know about my boat specific sail listing that searches several of the leading used sail outfits? Here is a listing for headsails for 85% to 155% for a Cal-29. You can narrow the range of you want. > > http://l-36.com/sails.php?boat=Cal+29&i=37&j=12.33&fs=39%28est%29&p=31.67&e=12.25&isp=37&jsp=12.33&py=&ey=&sail=jib&lp0=85&lp1=155 > > As always, I make nothing from this in terms of commissions, kickbacks, or fees. Just a service for my fellow boaters. > > Allen > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Walter March <ma… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Hello Wilkie, I'm Walter, and I got your mainsail on my 2-29 in Miami. I'm interested in hank-on headsails. > Please let me know.... > My email ma… [at] yahoo.com > > Thank you > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: David Owen <dw… [at] me.com>; > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Navpod pedestal guard > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:22:46 PM > > > > Sorry for a once only spam, but I have a like new pedestal guard on 12" centers along with a Navpod pre-cut for 3 St-60 instruments on eBay. > > If any of you contemplate adding this to your Cal, here's a chance to save big bucks. I also am cleaning out he garage of sails I don't use anymore. They all fit a Cal 29. > > Thanks > > Wilkie > > Sent from my iPad > > > >

Randy, Have you considered an Asymmetrical (Code 0) Spinnaker? We fly ours on a beam reach, and if the wind is light enough we can take it up to a close reach. In some cases we pole back the tack line to sail deeper than we could otherwise. The boat/asymmetrical is much easier to control in heavier air and following seas. Here in FL, we rarely get rollers. Seas are steep, short-period waves, and I really dislike using our tri-radial in heavy air on a downwind run. Some of my crew thinks it is exciting, but helming in those conditions is not my idea of fun. I have Chinese Broached before, throwing two crew overboard at the same time. Fortunately, no one was injured, quickly recovered, and nothing was broken. Michael From: Saylorran <sa… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails -Michael Thanks Mike. When the wind builds in the Santa Barbra Channel we get 4-6 ft swell. Above 25 knots we can have 6-9 ft plus. Depends how much it is blowing outside the islands. I have a S 2 but as you state it is really rolly down wind in a 4-6 ft swell, even twinged down. I am looking for something more pole forward and with less shoulders. For those less than 150 degree apparent days. Randy Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: It is my experience that a 1.5 oz spinnaker is typically smaller than a .75 oz spinnaker. The heavier the weight of the cloth is for higher winds. A 1.5 oz spinnaker may be cut with fatter shoulders for heavy air running downwind. Don't forget your tweakers, as they don't call it the "death roll" for nothing. From: Saylorran <sa… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails -Charlie Charlie. I have a question about spinnakers. Is a 1.5 oz the same diminsions as a .75 oz? Flatter cut less shoulders? respectfully, Randy Cal 2-29 Out Patient "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: Site looks very good, Allen. Congrats. One piece of trivia. It is Bacon Sails, rather than Becon. They are only three miles from my house, so I could be of assistance to our listees and listettes if needed. Cheers Charlie From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:17 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails I will look into adding https://www.schurrsails.com but right now their web site is down. Allen On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:00 AM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Excellent Resource. It took me a while to figure out boat type meant boat manufacturer or brand. I was pleased with Schurr Sails in Pensacola when I purchased a used sail from them and had them make some repairs. > Reggie > ________________________________ > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: al… [at] gmail.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:43:50 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Navpod & pedestal guard > > > You guys know about my boat specific sail listing that searches several of the leading used sail outfits? Here is a listing for headsails for 85% to 155% for a Cal-29. You can narrow the range of you want. > > http://l-36.com/sails.php?boat=Cal+29&i=37&j=12.33&fs=39%28est%29&p=31.67&e=12.25&isp=37&jsp=12.33&py=&ey=&sail=jib&lp0=85&lp1=155 > > As always, I make nothing from this in terms of commissions, kickbacks, or fees. Just a service for my fellow boaters. > > Allen > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Walter March <ma… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Hello Wilkie, I'm Walter, and I got your mainsail on my 2-29 in Miami. I'm interested in hank-on headsails. > Please let me know.... > My email ma… [at] yahoo.com > > Thank you > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: David Owen <dw… [at] me.com>; > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Navpod pedestal guard > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:22:46 PM > > > > Sorry for a once only spam, but I have a like new pedestal guard on 12" centers along with a Navpod pre-cut for 3 St-60 instruments on eBay. > > If any of you contemplate adding this to your Cal, here's a chance to save big bucks. I also am cleaning out he garage of sails I don't use anymore. They all fit a Cal 29. > > Thanks > > Wilkie > > Sent from my iPad > > > >

Michael, are you tacked to the stem or a pole. If tacked to a stem how deep is deep. Randy Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Randy, Have you considered an Asymmetrical (Code 0) Spinnaker? We fly ours on a beam reach, and if the wind is light enough we can take it up to a close reach. In some cases we pole back the tack line to sail deeper than we could otherwise. The boat/asymmetrical is much easier to control in heavier air and following seas. Here in FL, we rarely get rollers. Seas are steep, short-period waves, and I really dislike using our tri-radial in heavy air on a downwind run. Some of my crew thinks it is exciting, but helming in those conditions is not my idea of fun. I have Chinese Broached before, throwing two crew overboard at the same time. Fortunately, no one was injured, quickly recovered, and nothing was broken. Michael From: Saylorran <sa… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails -Michael Thanks Mike. When the wind builds in the Santa Barbra Channel we get 4-6 ft swell. Above 25 knots we can have 6-9 ft plus. Depends how much it is blowing outside the islands. I have a S 2 but as you state it is really rolly down wind in a 4-6 ft swell, even twinged down. I am looking for something more pole forward and with less shoulders. For those less than 150 degree apparent days. Randy Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: It is my experience that a 1.5 oz spinnaker is typically smaller than a .75 oz spinnaker. The heavier the weight of the cloth is for higher winds. A 1.5 oz spinnaker may be cut with fatter shoulders for heavy air running downwind. Don't forget your tweakers, as they don't call it the "death roll" for nothing. From: Saylorran <sa… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails -Charlie Charlie. I have a question about spinnakers. Is a 1.5 oz the same diminsions as a .75 oz? Flatter cut less shoulders? respectfully, Randy Cal 2-29 Out Patient "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: Site looks very good, Allen. Congrats. One piece of trivia. It is Bacon Sails, rather than Becon. They are only three miles from my house, so I could be of assistance to our listees and listettes if needed. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:17 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails I will look into adding https://www.schurrsails.com but right now their web site is down. Allen On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:00 AM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Excellent Resource. It took me a while to figure out boat type meant boat manufacturer or brand. I was pleased with Schurr Sails in Pensacola when I purchased a used sail from them and had them make some repairs. > Reggie > ________________________________ > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: al… [at] gmail.com > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:43:50 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Navpod & pedestal guard > > > You guys know about my boat specific sail listing that searches several of the leading used sail outfits? Here is a listing for headsails for 85% to 155% for a Cal-29. You can narrow the range of you want. > > http://l-36.com/sails.php?boat=Cal+29&i=37&j=12.33&fs=39%28est%29&p=31.67&e=12.25&isp=37&jsp=12.33&py=&ey=&sail=jib&lp0=85&lp1=155 > > As always, I make nothing from this in terms of commissions, kickbacks, or fees. Just a service for my fellow boaters. > > Allen > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Walter March <ma… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Hello Wilkie, I'm Walter, and I got your mainsail on my 2-29 in Miami. I'm interested in hank-on headsails. > Please let me know.... > My email ma… [at] yahoo.com > > Thank you > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: David Owen <dw… [at] me.com>; > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Navpod pedestal guard > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:22:46 PM > > > > Sorry for a once only spam, but I have a like new pedestal guard on 12" centers along with a Navpod pre-cut for 3 St-60 instruments on eBay. > > If any of you contemplate adding this to your Cal, here's a chance to save big bucks. I also am cleaning out he garage of sails I don't use anymore. They all fit a Cal 29. > > Thanks > > Wilkie > > Sent from my iPad > > > >

Michael What's a chinese broached ? Edwin Cal Cruising 46 Lahlia Marina del Rey CA On Jul 16, 2013, at 13:52, Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > Randy, > > Have you considered an Asymmetrical (Code 0) Spinnaker? We fly ours on a beam reach, and if the wind is light enough we can take it up to a close reach. In some cases we pole back the tack line to sail deeper than we could otherwise. The boat/asymmetrical is much easier to control in heavier air and following seas. > > Here in FL, we rarely get rollers. Seas are steep, short-period waves, and I really dislike using our tri-radial in heavy air on a downwind run. Some of my crew thinks it is exciting, but helming in those conditions is not my idea of fun. I have Chinese Broached before, throwing two crew overboard at the same time. Fortunately, no one was injured, quickly recovered, and nothing was broken. > > Michael > > > From: Saylorran <sa… [at] yahoo.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails -Michael > > > Thanks Mike. > > When the wind builds in the Santa Barbra Channel we get 4-6 ft swell. Above 25 knots we can have 6-9 ft plus. Depends how much it is blowing outside the islands. > > I have a S 2 but as you state it is really rolly down wind in a 4-6 ft swell, even twinged down. > > I am looking for something more pole forward and with less shoulders. For those less than 150 degree apparent days. > > Randy > > Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G > > > > Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > It is my experience that a 1.5 oz spinnaker is typically smaller than a .75 oz spinnaker. The heavier the weight of the cloth is for higher winds. A 1.5 oz spinnaker may be cut with fatter shoulders for heavy air running downwind. Don't forget your tweakers, as they don't call it the "death roll" for nothing. > > > From: Saylorran <sa… [at] yahoo.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails -Charlie > > > Charlie. > > I have a question about spinnakers. Is a 1.5 oz the same diminsions as a .75 oz? Flatter cut less shoulders? > > respectfully, > Randy > Cal 2-29 > Out Patient > > Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G > > > > "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > > > > Site looks very good, Allen. Congrats. One piece of trivia. It is Bacon Sails, rather than Becon. They are only three miles from my house, so I could be of assistance to our listees and listettes if needed. > > Cheers > Charlie > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:17 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails > > > > > I will look into adding https://www.schurrsails.com but right now their web site is down. > > Allen > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:00 AM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Excellent Resource. It took me a while to figure out boat type meant boat manufacturer or brand. I was pleased with Schurr Sails in Pensacola when I purchased a used sail from them and had them make some repairs. > > Reggie > > ________________________________ > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > From: al… [at] gmail.com > > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:43:50 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Navpod & pedestal guard > > > > > > You guys know about my boat specific sail listing that searches several of the leading used sail outfits? Here is a listing for headsails for 85% to 155% for a Cal-29. You can narrow the range of you want. > > > > http://l-36.com/sails.php?boat=Cal+29&i=37&j=12.33&fs=39%28est%29&p=31.67&e=12.25&isp=37&jsp=12.33&py=&ey=&sail=jib&lp0=85&lp1=155 > > > > As always, I make nothing from this in terms of commissions, kickbacks, or fees. Just a service for my fellow boaters. > > > > Allen > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Walter March <ma… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Wilkie, I'm Walter, and I got your mainsail on my 2-29 in Miami. I'm interested in hank-on headsails. > > Please let me know.... > > My email ma… [at] yahoo.com > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: David Owen <dw… [at] me.com>; > > To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Navpod pedestal guard > > Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:22:46 PM > > > > > > > > Sorry for a once only spam, but I have a like new pedestal guard on 12" centers along with a Navpod pre-cut for 3 St-60 instruments on eBay. > > > > If any of you contemplate adding this to your Cal, here's a chance to save big bucks. I also am cleaning out he garage of sails I don't use anymore. They all fit a Cal 29. > > > > Thanks > > > > Wilkie > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Edwin, I probably should have said "Chinese Gybe", as the incident is described on page 6 of the PDF at http://www.hisc.org/Inlet-Outlet/2011/June2011InletOutlet.pdf Basically, we were sailing under symmetrical spinnaker, near dead down wind, starboard tack, following seas, under building conditions. Each time we got bigger wave sets, they would try to force our direction to port. I would have to counter the motion with moderate to hard starboard rudder. Eventually, my luck ran out. We gybed, throwing one crew overboard. As Magic went over hard to starboard (near knockdown), another crew that was on the cabin top lost grip and also went overboard. As Magic rounded up, we gybed back to starboard. It was a mess. --Michael-- From: edwmama <ed… [at] gmail.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails -Michael Michael What's a chinese broached ? Edwin Cal Cruising 46 Lahlia Marina del Rey CA On Jul 16, 2013, at 13:52, Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >Randy, > >Have you considered an Asymmetrical (Code 0) Spinnaker? We fly ours on a beam reach, and if the wind is light enough we can take it up to a close reach. In some cases we pole back the tack line to sail deeper than we could otherwise. The boat/asymmetrical is much easier to control in heavier air and following seas. > >Here in FL, we rarely get rollers. Seas are steep, short-period waves, and I really dislike using our tri-radial in heavy air on a downwind run. Some of my crew thinks it is exciting, but helming in those conditions is not my idea of fun. I have Chinese Broached before, throwing two crew overboard at the same time. Fortunately, no one was injured, quickly recovered, and nothing was broken. > >Michael > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Saylorran <sa… [at] yahoo.com> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:09 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails -Michael > > > > >Thanks Mike. > > >When the wind builds in the Santa Barbra Channel we get 4-6 ft swell. Above 25 knots we can have 6-9 ft plus. Depends how much it is blowing outside the islands. > > >I have a S 2 but as you state it is really rolly down wind in a 4-6 ft swell, even twinged down. > > >I am looking for something more pole forward and with less shoulders. For those less than 150 degree apparent days. > > >Randy > >Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G > > >Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >It is my experience that a 1.5 oz spinnaker is typically smaller than a .75 oz spinnaker. The heavier the weight of the cloth is for higher winds. A 1.5 oz spinnaker may be cut with fatter shoulders for heavy air running downwind. Don't forget your tweakers, as they don't call it the "death roll" for nothing. > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Saylorran <sa… [at] yahoo.com> >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 1:11 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails -Charlie > > > > >Charlie. > > >I have a question about spinnakers. Is a 1.5 oz the same diminsions as a .75 oz? Flatter cut less shoulders? > > >respectfully, >Randy >Cal 2-29 >Out Patient > >Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G > > >"Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > > > >Site looks very good, Allen. Congrats. One piece of trivia. It is Bacon Sails, rather than Becon. They are only three miles from my house, so I could be of assistance to our listees and listettes if needed. > >Cheers >Charlie > > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards >Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:17 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] used sails > > > > > >I will look into adding https://www.schurrsails.com but right now their web site is down. > >Allen > > >On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:00 AM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Excellent Resource. It took me a while to figure out boat type meant boat manufacturer or brand. I was pleased with Schurr Sails in Pensacola when I purchased a used sail from them and had them make some repairs. >> Reggie >> ________________________________ >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> From: al… [at] gmail.com >> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:43:50 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Navpod & pedestal guard >> >> >> You guys know about my boat specific sail listing that searches several of the leading used sail outfits? Here is a listing for headsails for 85% to 155% for a Cal-29. You can narrow the range of you want. >> >> http://l-36.com/sails.php?boat=Cal+29&i=37&j=12.33&fs=39%28est%29&p=31.67&e=12.25&isp=37&jsp=12.33&py=&ey=&sail=jib&lp0=85&lp1=155 >> >> As always, I make nothing from this in terms of commissions, kickbacks, or fees. Just a service for my fellow boaters. >> >> Allen >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Walter March <ma… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Hello Wilkie, I'm Walter, and I got your mainsail on my 2-29 in Miami. I'm interested in hank-on headsails. >> Please let me know.... >> My email ma… [at] yahoo.com >> >> Thank you >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: David Owen <dw… [at] me.com>; >> To: <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; >> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Navpod pedestal guard >> Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:22:46 PM >> >> >> >> Sorry for a once only spam, but I have a like new pedestal guard on 12" centers along with a Navpod pre-cut for 3 St-60 instruments on eBay. >> >> If any of you contemplate adding this to your Cal, here's a chance to save big bucks. I also am cleaning out he garage of sails I don't use anymore. They all fit a Cal 29. >> >> Thanks >> >> Wilkie >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >