6 messages2013-07-26 16:38 UTCthrough 2013-07-26 20:41 UTC
Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)2013-07-26 16:38 UTC
Power boat statement: We are going to St. Michaels for lunch.
Sailboat statement: We are going sailing.
It is more in the journey instead of the destination. Don’t even need a destination.
Cheers
Charlie
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 11:26 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
Chris, yes, that and the good smilage that a small sailboat affords. It's because, when it comes to boating, getting there is most of the fun!
Jerry
From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 8:08 AM
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
I'm preaching to the choir here, but still can't resist.
Last night I sailed off the mooring for my evening sail and passed a
power runabout with a few people aboard. "Hey, nice boat!" they shouted.
Ol' Cal 20 #1220 is the smallest boat in the mooring field, and her
lines have none of the Euro-flash styling that seems to be required in
all new designs. Maybe it's the varnished mahogany rudder & tiller that
add a bit of cool yachtiness. Who knows. But even power boaters can
recognize a good boat.
Chris Campbell
Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
pw… [at] aol.com2013-07-26 16:42 UTC
I heard one powerboater say to a sailor "Don't you ever get tired of seeing the same 5 miles of the Bay?"
Paul
From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>
To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
Power boat statement: We are going to St. Michaels for lunch.
Sailboat statement: We are going sailing.
It is more in the journey instead of the destination. Don’t even need a destination.
Cheers
Charlie
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 11:26 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
Chris, yes, that and the good smilage that a small sailboat affords. It's because, when it comes to boating, getting there is most of the fun!
Jerry
From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 8:08 AM
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
I'm preaching to the choir here, but still can't resist.
Last night I sailed off the mooring for my evening sail and passed a
power runabout with a few people aboard. "Hey, nice boat!" they shouted.
Ol' Cal 20 #1220 is the smallest boat in the mooring field, and her
lines have none of the Euro-flash styling that seems to be required in
all new designs. Maybe it's the varnished mahogany rudder & tiller that
add a bit of cool yachtiness. Who knows. But even power boaters can
recognize a good boat.
Chris Campbell
Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)2013-07-26 16:53 UTC
Hi, Paul. This weekend we race to Spaniard’s Neck in the Corsica River north of the Bay Bridge on the Eastern Shore. Idyllic. We call it “the race to the middle of nowhere”. Raft up for overnight, party a bit, and race back to Baltimore Light Sunday. Different world over there.
On these events, I am more of a caterer than a skipper.
Cheers
Charlie
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:43 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
I heard one powerboater say to a sailor "Don't you ever get tired of seeing the same 5 miles of the Bay?"
Paul
From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>
To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
Power boat statement: We are going to St. Michaels for lunch.
Sailboat statement: We are going sailing.
It is more in the journey instead of the destination. Don’t even need a destination.
Cheers
Charlie
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?>] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 11:26 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
Chris, yes, that and the good smilage that a small sailboat affords. It's because, when it comes to boating, getting there is most of the fun!
Jerry
From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org<mailto:cc… [at] lsnm.org>>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 8:08 AM
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
I'm preaching to the choir here, but still can't resist.
Last night I sailed off the mooring for my evening sail and passed a
power runabout with a few people aboard. "Hey, nice boat!" they shouted.
Ol' Cal 20 #1220 is the smallest boat in the mooring field, and her
lines have none of the Euro-flash styling that seems to be required in
all new designs. Maybe it's the varnished mahogany rudder & tiller that
add a bit of cool yachtiness. Who knows. But even power boaters can
recognize a good boat.
Chris Campbell
Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
pw… [at] aol.com2013-07-26 16:59 UTC
I live on the Eastern Shore and yes it is a different world over here. I took my son to a beach at the Cedar Hill Marina on a Saturday a couple of weeks ago. I was there for 4 hours and saw 2 boats on the water . . . and this was at a marina!
We have a lady in our club who came from Annapolis and races a Catalina 27 (very well I might add) and she loves it in Cambridge just for the fact that you motor out of the marina for 2 min and you are able to race right there.
Paul
From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>
To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
Hi, Paul. This weekend we race to Spaniard’s Neck in the Corsica River north of the Bay Bridge on the Eastern Shore. Idyllic. We call it “the race to the middle of nowhere”. Raft up for overnight, party a bit, and race back to Baltimore Light Sunday. Different world over there.
On these events, I am more of a caterer than a skipper.
Cheers
Charlie
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:43 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
I heard one powerboater say to a sailor "Don't you ever get tired of seeing the same 5 miles of the Bay?"
Paul
From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>
To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
Power boat statement: We are going to St. Michaels for lunch.
Sailboat statement: We are going sailing.
It is more in the journey instead of the destination. Don’t even need a destination.
Cheers
Charlie
From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 11:26 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
Chris, yes, that and the good smilage that a small sailboat affords. It's because, when it comes to boating, getting there is most of the fun!
Jerry
From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 8:08 AM
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
I'm preaching to the choir here, but still can't resist.
Last night I sailed off the mooring for my evening sail and passed a
power runabout with a few people aboard. "Hey, nice boat!" they shouted.
Ol' Cal 20 #1220 is the smallest boat in the mooring field, and her
lines have none of the Euro-flash styling that seems to be required in
all new designs. Maybe it's the varnished mahogany rudder & tiller that
add a bit of cool yachtiness. Who knows. But even power boaters can
recognize a good boat.
Chris Campbell
Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
Rodney G. Johnson2013-07-26 20:23 UTC
Paul, I'd answer that those same 5 miles are different every day in a
sailboat! A power boater would get bored only because they cover that 5
miles in less than 10 minutes, then what do you do?? Well, I guess run
back at the same speed? They traverse the same distance in 20 minutes as
we enjoy for the whole day!
It is true that to a power boater, the destination is important..... to
us sailors, the journey is just as important as the destination.... and
we might not even have a real "destination"...... I've enjoyed a lot of
"sails to nowhere" in my lifetime! On the other hand..... we also have a
small, 14' powerboat with a 9.9hp outboard, top speed is around 15 knots
(versus the screaming top speed off the wind of my DS II, of 7.25 knots)
and although I can still enjoy a trip to nowhere.... I really tend to
desire an actual destination while out in that boat. The secret to
enjoying a typical sailboat-style voyage, is to run at a more sailboat
speed (if conditions permit) and it can actually be a lot of fun slowing
down. What really get on my nerves though..... is how slow I need to go
to obey "No Wake" zones in the little powerboat! Our old CAL 21 could go
faster under power (and a LOT faster under sail!) without creating a wake
than the little powerboat can!
I started out solo boating as a 12 year-old in a 8' plywood pram pushed
by a 2hp outboard, our cove was my "ocean" and I could spend all day
exploring the area. I fished a lot, and that filled many a day. Years
later, after moving up to a 12' sailboat for 7 years, I rescued a 14'
powerboat off the marsh with dreams of exploring distant harbors like we
used to in my Grandfather's 18' Lyman. Problem was..... the waves that my
little 12' sailboat bobbed over effortlessly.....were spray producing
obstacles for a 14' powerboat.... and our little cove was awfully small
when I couldn't brave those seas. A 17' sailboat took care of that... and
I enjoy sailing to farther ports than the powerboat can go to (except on
calm days....... that is when the powerboat shines!!) I was lucky to sell
the little powerboat to my Dad, so I can still play with motorboating on
windless days. However, even that "huge" 17' sailboat lets me enjoy the
cove for longer than the powerboat! Maybe because the powerboat goes
where ever you point her..... a sailboat has to deal with wind direction
to go anywhere, hence it is more challenging! Even our cove is different
on every tack while sailing........yet becomes boring too quickly in a
powerboat.
Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD"
1979 O'DAY DS II
former co-owner of "NODROG"
1970 CAL 21
Occaisional user of "EXPLORER"
1970? Chrysler Cadet runabout, converted
to custom dayboat w/9.9 hp outboard (1 gph average fuel consumption!)
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:42:32 -0400 (EDT) pw… [at] aol.com writes:
I heard one powerboater say to a sailor "Don't you ever get tired of
seeing the same 5 miles of the Bay?"
Paul
From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>
To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
Power boat statement: We are going to St. Michaels for lunch.
Sailboat statement: We are going sailing.
It is more in the journey instead of the destination. Don�t even need a
destination.
Cheers
Charlie
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Gerald Sobel
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 11:26 AM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
Chris, yes, that and the good smilage that a small sailboat affords. It's
because, when it comes to boating, getting there is most of the fun!
Jerry
From: Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org>
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 8:08 AM
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
I'm preaching to the choir here, but still can't resist.
Last night I sailed off the mooring for my evening sail and passed a
power runabout with a few people aboard. "Hey, nice boat!" they shouted.
Ol' Cal 20 #1220 is the smallest boat in the mooring field, and her
lines have none of the Euro-flash styling that seems to be required in
all new designs. Maybe it's the varnished mahogany rudder & tiller that
add a bit of cool yachtiness. Who knows. But even power boaters can
recognize a good boat.
Chris Campbell
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Nice boat
Rodney G. Johnson2013-07-26 20:41 UTC
Chris, didn't you know that a "fishing vessel" has the "Right-of-way"
over a sailboat?? Sure does! And I always try to give way to a
lobsterboat hauling traps, or if I ever crossed paths with a dragger with
nets out, since that is what "FISHING VESSEL" refers to in the NavRules.
I have a friend (powerboater) who bellyaches that "all sailboats" think
they have the right of way "ALL THE TIME", and unfortunately he is
correct far too often. However, the other type of boater who only seems
to have learned one rule of the road is the guy out trolling........ they
think that they are "Fishing" and so have the right-of-way, but the truth
is..... they are POWERBOATS not "fishing" boats and so, must maneuver
just as any other powerboat and give way to a sailboat under sail, well,
unless the sailboat is overtaking them, that is one of the VERY few times
that we sailors must give way to a powerboat. Another is if the powerboat
is towing a disabled vessel or is in some way (other than trolling
lines!) unable to alter course easily.
I too have been amazed (or is it frightened?) by how many power boaters
will SPEED UP and turn to pass ahead of a sailboat (contrary to the rule
that states that when crossing the path of a "stand-on" vessel one must
turn to pass ASTERN of that vessel, power or sail)...... Far too often,
just as they pass across my bow..... I get a sudden puff of wind that
increases my speed and results in making the situation worse. I too
marvel at how they will make a major course change to cross my bow when a
small course change in the opposite direction would safely take them
across my stern. What disturbs me even more is the number of times that I
have had a SAILBOAT under power do this! When I am under sail!! You would
expect that a fellow sailor would have more respect for another
sailor..... but, too often they are as bad as "stinkpotters".
Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD"
1979 O'DAY DS II
former co-owner of "NODROG"
1970 CAL 21
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:53:43 -0400 Chris Campbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org>
writes:
On 7/26/2013 2:52 PM, r good wrote:
Am I the only one who notices that far and away the majority of power
boats approaching a sailboat will do there best to cross in front of the
sailboat, even if it takes them on a longer course to their destination?
Absolutely true. Last weekend I was powering out in a dredged channel in
my other boat. I wanted to move from the stbd. side of the channel to
the port side so I could raise sail in the open water on that side of
the channel. I made a distinct course change so it could be seen and
recognized. There was a power boat approaching at a substantial
distance, so far that at his speed I would be out of the channel by the
time he approached my boat. But instead of remaining in the channel and
passing behind me, he made an increasing course correction so he could
pass across my bow, even though it meant leaving the channel to do so!
Bizarre.
And about a month ago in the same boat a sport fisherman dragging
trolling lines did the same thing when I was under sail in open
water--crossed my bow so his boat was on one side an his planer boards on
the other side, even though he could have made a tiny correction in his
course and passed safely behind me. It's almost like some kamikaze urge
for those guys. It sorta worked for that guy--one of his lines snagged
for a few moments on my boat and he was all agitated, waving his arms.
Afterward, I tried to figure out what he had expected. Turn one way, I
hit his boat. Turn the other way, I hit his equipment. Maybe he expected
me to reverse course. Maybe he did not know the right of way rules or
understand the functioning of vessels under sail. Or maybe he was just
dumb as a post.
Then there are the power boats that make the huge roar, the ones you can
hear miles away. But that's clearly a case of small penis syndrome.
Chris Campbell
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