Cal 27 MK III - Compression Post Support Depression

Hi, I am looking to purchase a Cal 27 MK III. I recently inspected one, but noticed an issue with the support holding the compression post in the cabin sole. I attached images under the photo album titled "Cal 27 MK III" to help explain what I am talking about. --> I also used the search function without any success. PHOTOS - Link to Yahoo Group Album <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/photos/album/1317830660/pic/lis\ t?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc> The support holding up the compression post has sunken in an approximate 1/4". As seen in the pictures, major cracks have formed around the top edges of the support. The fiberglass has also bellowed out in this area. I photographed the bilge and noticed a metal structure behind a thin layer of resin. I am not sure if this is factory or an attempted fix? In relation, there is water damage along the edges of the port and starboard bulkheads. Only a couple spots along the bottom edges seemed soft, but they are definitely something that needs to be watched/fixed. The deck seemed solid around the mast, and I did not notice any obvious deformations. When I went to check the privacy door (on the main bulkhead) for proper opening and closing, it would only shut about 80%. The binding appeared to come from the starboard top and bottom of the door approximately 6" starboard of the compression post. Does anyone have any information on the construction of this support structure? I am thinking it may be part of the "steel beam" I have read about. However, I am not sure. There is not a large amount of information on the 27 MK III, so I am just guessing at this point. Is this a common problem? Should I pass on this boat? How much would this issue bring the value down? (being realistic) Any information/comments on this issue or even the model in particular would be greatly appreciated. Thank You,

How is it that I have yet to see an email from someone with a cal cruising 46 Either those boats are so well made that they stay "fine" an impossibility Or the smaller siblings owners just love to chat On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:22 PM, "ka… [at] rocketmail.com" <ka… [at] rocketmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > I am looking to purchase a Cal 27 MK III. I recently inspected one, but noticed an issue with the support holding the compression post in the cabin sole. I attached images under the photo album titled " > > Cal 27 MK III" to help explain what I am talking about. --> I also used the search function without any success. > > > PHOTOS - Link to Yahoo Group Album > > The support holding up the compression post has sunken in an approximate 1/4". As seen in the pictures, major cracks have formed around the top edges of the support. The fiberglass has also bellowed out in this area. I photographed the bilge and noticed a metal structure behind a thin layer of resin. I am not sure if this is factory or an attempted fix? > > In relation, there is water damage along the edges of the port and starboard bulkheads. Only a couple spots along the bottom edges seemed soft, but they are definitely something that needs to be watched/fixed. The deck seemed solid around the mast, and I did not notice any obvious deformations. When I went to check the privacy door (on the main bulkhead) for proper opening and closing, it would only shut about 80%. The binding appeared to come from the starboard top and bottom of the door approximately 6" starboard of the compression post. > > Does anyone have any information on the construction of this support structure? I am thinking it may be part of the "steel beam" I have read about. However, I am not sure. There is not a large amount of information on the 27 MK III, so I am just guessing at this point. > > Is this a common problem? > > Should I pass on this boat? > > How much would this issue bring the value down? (being realistic) > > Any information/comments on this issue or even the model in particular would be greatly appreciated. > > > Thank You, > > > >

Maybe the 46 owners just have plenty of money to pay someone else for all repairs and don't need to post questions on how to fix stuff. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Ed <ed… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > ** > > > How is it that I have yet to see an email from someone with a cal cruising > 46 > Either those boats are so well made that they stay "fine" an impossibility > Or the smaller siblings owners just love to chat > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:22 PM, "ka… [at] rocketmail.com" < > ka… [at] rocketmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > I am looking to purchase a Cal 27 MK III. I recently inspected one, but > noticed an issue with the support holding the compression post in the cabin > sole. I attached images under the photo album titled " > Cal 27 MK III" to help explain what I am talking about. --> I also used > the search function without any success. > > PHOTOS - Link to Yahoo Group Album > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/photos/album/1317830660/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc> > > > The support holding up the compression post has sunken in an approximate > 1/4". As seen in the pictures, major cracks have formed around the top > edges of the support. The fiberglass has also bellowed out in this area. > I photographed the bilge and noticed a metal structure behind a thin layer > of resin. I am not sure if this is factory or an attempted fix? > > In relation, there is water damage along the edges of the port and > starboard bulkheads. Only a couple spots along the bottom edges seemed > soft, but they are definitely something that needs to be watched/fixed. > The deck seemed solid around the mast, and I did not notice any obvious > deformations. When I went to check the privacy door (on the main bulkhead) > for proper opening and closing, it would only shut about 80%. The binding > appeared to come from the starboard top and bottom of the > door approximately 6" starboard of the compression post. > > Does anyone have any information on the construction of this support > structure? I am thinking it may be part of the "steel beam" I have read > about. However, I am not sure. There is not a large amount of information > on the 27 MK III, so I am just guessing at this point. > > Is this a common problem? > > Should I pass on this boat? > > How much would this issue bring the value down? (being realistic) > > Any information/comments on this issue or even the model in particular > would be greatly appreciated. > > > Thank You, > > > > >

We are also talking quantities of boats built. Besides most CAL 46 (and variants) owners are probably off in idyllic places where they really don't care about lists like this. Cheers, Anyway Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Newman Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:54 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 27 MK III - Compression Post Support Depression Maybe the 46 owners just have plenty of money to pay someone else for all repairs and don't need to post questions on how to fix stuff. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Ed <ed… [at] gmail.com<mailto:ed… [at] gmail.com>> wrote: How is it that I have yet to see an email from someone with a cal cruising 46 Either those boats are so well made that they stay "fine" an impossibility Or the smaller siblings owners just love to chat On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:22 PM, "ka… [at] rocketmail.com<mailto:ka… [at] rocketmail.com>" <ka… [at] rocketmail.com<mailto:ka… [at] rocketmail.com>> wrote: Hi, I am looking to purchase a Cal 27 MK III. I recently inspected one, but noticed an issue with the support holding the compression post in the cabin sole. I attached images under the photo album titled " Cal 27 MK III" to help explain what I am talking about. --> I also used the search function without any success. PHOTOS - Link to Yahoo Group Album <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/photos/album/1317830660/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc> The support holding up the compression post has sunken in an approximate 1/4". As seen in the pictures, major cracks have formed around the top edges of the support. The fiberglass has also bellowed out in this area. I photographed the bilge and noticed a metal structure behind a thin layer of resin. I am not sure if this is factory or an attempted fix? In relation, there is water damage along the edges of the port and starboard bulkheads. Only a couple spots along the bottom edges seemed soft, but they are definitely something that needs to be watched/fixed. The deck seemed solid around the mast, and I did not notice any obvious deformations. When I went to check the privacy door (on the main bulkhead) for proper opening and closing, it would only shut about 80%. The binding appeared to come from the starboard top and bottom of the door approximately 6" starboard of the compression post. Does anyone have any information on the construction of this support structure? I am thinking it may be part of the "steel beam" I have read about. However, I am not sure. There is not a large amount of information on the 27 MK III, so I am just guessing at this point. Is this a common problem? Should I pass on this boat? How much would this issue bring the value down? (being realistic) Any information/comments on this issue or even the model in particular would be greatly appreciated. Thank You,

Not sure who is asking about the compression post in a Cal 27 Mark III, however, I'm attaching a photo of the bottom of mine which may or may not be the original for comparison purposes. I can also tell you that the wood frame just under the deck has been cracked for years making the door a bit difficult to slide. I presume that was caused by the boat working somewhat normally under sail. David Cal 27 Mark III, Latitude Changer From: Ed <ed… [at] gmail.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 27 MK III - Compression Post Support Depression How is it that I have yet to see an email from someone with a cal cruising 46 Either those boats are so well made that they stay "fine" an impossibility Or the smaller siblings owners just love to chat On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:22 PM, "ka… [at] rocketmail.com" <ka… [at] rocketmail.com> wrote: >Hi, > > >I am looking to purchase a Cal 27 MK III. I recently inspected one, but noticed an issue with the support holding the compression post in the cabin sole. I attached images under the photo album titled " >Cal 27 MK III" to help explain what I am talking about. --> I also used the search function without any success. > > >PHOTOS - Link to Yahoo Group Album > > > >The support holding up the compression post has sunken in an approximate 1/4". As seen in the pictures, major cracks have formed around the top edges of the support. The fiberglass has also bellowed out in this area. I photographed the bilge and noticed a metal structure behind a thin layer of resin. I am not sure if this is factory or an attempted fix? > > >In relation, there is water damage along the edges of the port and starboard bulkheads. Only a couple spots along the bottom edges seemed soft, but they are definitely something that needs to be watched/fixed. The deck seemed solid around the mast, and I did not notice any obvious deformations. When I went to check the privacy door (on the main bulkhead) for proper opening and closing, it would only shut about 80%. The binding appeared to come from the starboard top and bottom of the door approximately 6" starboard of the compression post. > > >Does anyone have any information on the construction of this support structure? I am thinking it may be part of the "steel beam" I have read about. However, I am not sure. There is not a large amount of information on the 27 MK III, so I am just guessing at this point. > > >Is this a common problem? > > >Should I pass on this boat? > > >How much would this issue bring the value down? (being realistic) > > >Any information/comments on this issue or even the model in particular would be greatly appreciated. > > > > >Thank You, > > > > >

Leslie That may be since they involve higher Cost like slip fee, bottom painting insurance etc But part of enjoying these love boats Is doing just that....labor of love.....tinkering And fixing things within our ability It's also therapy for me as stress relief

Well, two of us Cal 33 owners can chat with you. Together we are plenty long enough :). On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:56 AM, edwmama <ed… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > ** > > > Leslie > > That may be since they involve higher > Cost like slip fee, bottom painting insurance etc > > But part of enjoying these love boats > Is doing just that....labor of love.....tinkering > And fixing things within our ability > It's also therapy for me as stress relief > From my hectic work > > There were 15 of the original Cal 46 > 96 of the 2-46 and some 40+ of the 3-46 > > > It's just strange that I see no web > Chats about these bigger siblings from their owners > > All cal boats are gems and I truly > Believe in their superb design quality > And durability and handling characteristics > > > Edwin > Cal Cruising 46 > Marina del Rey CA > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:53, Leslie Newman <d2… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Maybe the 46 owners just have plenty of money to pay someone else for all > repairs and don't need to post questions on how to fix stuff. > > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Ed < <ed… [at] gmail.com> > ed… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> How is it that I have yet to see an email from someone with a cal >> cruising 46 >> Either those boats are so well made that they stay "fine" an impossibility >> Or the smaller siblings owners just love to chat >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:22 PM, " <ka… [at] rocketmail.com> >> ka… [at] rocketmail.com" < <ka… [at] rocketmail.com> >> ka… [at] rocketmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> I am looking to purchase a Cal 27 MK III. I recently inspected one, but >> noticed an issue with the support holding the compression post in the cabin >> sole. I attached images under the photo album titled " >> Cal 27 MK III" to help explain what I am talking about. --> I also used >> the search function without any success. >> >> PHOTOS - Link to Yahoo Group Album >> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/photos/album/1317830660/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc> >> >> >> The support holding up the compression post has sunken in an approximate >> 1/4". As seen in the pictures, major cracks have formed around the top >> edges of the support. The fiberglass has also bellowed out in this area. >> I photographed the bilge and noticed a metal structure behind a thin layer >> of resin. I am not sure if this is factory or an attempted fix? >> >> In relation, there is water damage along the edges of the port and >> starboard bulkheads. Only a couple spots along the bottom edges seemed >> soft, but they are definitely something that needs to be watched/fixed. >> The deck seemed solid around the mast, and I did not notice any obvious >> deformations. When I went to check the privacy door (on the main bulkhead) >> for proper opening and closing, it would only shut about 80%. The binding >> appeared to come from the starboard top and bottom of the >> door approximately 6" starboard of the compression post. >> >> Does anyone have any information on the construction of this support >> structure? I am thinking it may be part of the "steel beam" I have read >> about. However, I am not sure. There is not a large amount of information >> on the 27 MK III, so I am just guessing at this point. >> >> Is this a common problem? >> >> Should I pass on this boat? >> >> How much would this issue bring the value down? (being realistic) >> >> Any information/comments on this issue or even the model in particular >> would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> Thank You, >> >> >> >> > >

Yes that's for sure Leslie There are many times when I wished my cal 46 was only 30 foot long since Then I'd be able to sail right out or into my slip in Marina del Rey, CA And all the sails and rigging would be much easier to manage Actually my 46 has smaller sail and shorter mast than the that of Cal 40 Since its really a motorsailer with 400 gallons of fuel and 160 gallons of water I can actually motor from Los Angeles to maui on a tank full and a few Gerry cans Because its fashioned after the hall of famed legendary Cal 40 that forever changed Racing boat design, it actually sails and handles quite well for an undercanvaced Boat We share many design and materials with the smaller siblings like the 40, 33, 30, 27 etc These boats were created when manufacturers believed in building products that would last for generations And not for just one or two owners like cars I am a fourth owner and have had people offer to buy it even though its NOT for sale! Cheers Edwin On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Leslie Newman <d2… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > Well, two of us Cal 33 owners can chat with you. Together we are plenty long enough :). > > > > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:56 AM, edwmama <ed… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Leslie >> >> That may be since they involve higher >> Cost like slip fee, bottom painting insurance etc >> >> But part of enjoying these love boats >> Is doing just that....labor of love.....tinkering >> And fixing things within our ability >> It's also therapy for me as stress relief >> From my hectic work >> >> There were 15 of the original Cal 46 >> 96 of the 2-46 and some 40+ of the 3-46 >> >> >> It's just strange that I see no web >> Chats about these bigger siblings from their owners >> >> All cal boats are gems and I truly >> Believe in their superb design quality >> And durability and handling characteristics >> >> >> Edwin >> Cal Cruising 46 >> Marina del Rey CA >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:53, Leslie Newman <d2… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Maybe the 46 owners just have plenty of money to pay someone else for all repairs and don't need to post questions on how to fix stuff. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Ed <ed… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> How is it that I have yet to see an email from someone with a cal cruising 46 >>>> Either those boats are so well made that they stay "fine" an impossibility >>>> Or the smaller siblings owners just love to chat >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:22 PM, "ka… [at] rocketmail.com" <ka… [at] rocketmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am looking to purchase a Cal 27 MK III. I recently inspected one, but noticed an issue with the support holding the compression post in the cabin sole. I attached images under the photo album titled " >>>>> >>>>> Cal 27 MK III" to help explain what I am talking about. --> I also used the search function without any success. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> PHOTOS - Link to Yahoo Group Album >>>>> >>>>> The support holding up the compression post has sunken in an approximate 1/4". As seen in the pictures, major cracks have formed around the top edges of the support. The fiberglass has also bellowed out in this area. I photographed the bilge and noticed a metal structure behind a thin layer of resin. I am not sure if this is factory or an attempted fix? >>>>> >>>>> In relation, there is water damage along the edges of the port and starboard bulkheads. Only a couple spots along the bottom edges seemed soft, but they are definitely something that needs to be watched/fixed. The deck seemed solid around the mast, and I did not notice any obvious deformations. When I went to check the privacy door (on the main bulkhead) for proper opening and closing, it would only shut about 80%. The binding appeared to come from the starboard top and bottom of the door approximately 6" starboard of the compression post. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have any information on the construction of this support structure? I am thinking it may be part of the "steel beam" I have read about. However, I am not sure. There is not a large amount of information on the 27 MK III, so I am just guessing at this point. >>>>> >>>>> Is this a common problem? >>>>> >>>>> Should I pass on this boat? >>>>> >>>>> How much would this issue bring the value down? (being realistic) >>>>> >>>>> Any information/comments on this issue or even the model in particular would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank You, > >

My hats off the the larger boat owners. My wife and I don't just come scooting into the slip at the end of the day, and I wonder how the larger boat owners manage to maneuver their larger craft into a slip. This past Sunday there was a little bit of a blow as we came into dock. I back in, so it took me a couple of tries before we eased into the slip. We have to slip down between two rows of boats and then turn into our slip. Slow and steady. But still there is always a little scuffling around as we try not to let the boat hit a piling. This boat is new to us, so we're still in the learning stage, getting used to how she handles. And I keep being amazed at the workmanship. This weekend I wanted to grease the rudder shaft, so was crawling around down below. The boat is just so finely crafted. I was laying down in the stern just looking around and liking everything I saw. Probably silly to be laying down below in the stern just looking around, but I'm just so pleased with the boat I was enjoying exploring. We spent most of the day sailing, but I spent a few hours once back at dock to start attending to some of the little items found during the marine survey. Take care. Leslie On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Ed <ed… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > ** > > > Yes that's for sure Leslie > > There are many times when I wished my cal 46 was only 30 foot long since > Then I'd be able to sail right out or into my slip in Marina del Rey, CA > > And all the sails and rigging would be much easier to manage > > Actually my 46 has smaller sail and shorter mast than the that of Cal 40 > Since its really a motorsailer with 400 gallons of fuel and 160 gallons of > water > I can actually motor from Los Angeles to maui on a tank full and a few > Gerry cans > > Because its fashioned after the hall of famed legendary Cal 40 that > forever changed > Racing boat design, it actually sails and handles quite well for an > undercanvaced > Boat > > We share many design and materials with the smaller siblings like the 40, > 33, 30, 27 etc > > These boats were created when manufacturers believed in building products > that would last for generations And not for just one or two owners like cars > > I am a fourth owner and have had people offer to buy it even though its > NOT for sale! > > Cheers > > Edwin > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Leslie Newman <d2… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Well, two of us Cal 33 owners can chat with you. Together we are plenty > long enough :). > > > > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:56 AM, edwmama <ed… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Leslie >> >> That may be since they involve higher >> Cost like slip fee, bottom painting insurance etc >> >> But part of enjoying these love boats >> Is doing just that....labor of love.....tinkering >> And fixing things within our ability >> It's also therapy for me as stress relief >> From my hectic work >> >> There were 15 of the original Cal 46 >> 96 of the 2-46 and some 40+ of the 3-46 >> >> >> It's just strange that I see no web >> Chats about these bigger siblings from their owners >> >> All cal boats are gems and I truly >> Believe in their superb design quality >> And durability and handling characteristics >> >> >> Edwin >> Cal Cruising 46 >> Marina del Rey CA >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:53, Leslie Newman <d2… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Maybe the 46 owners just have plenty of money to pay someone else for all >> repairs and don't need to post questions on how to fix stuff. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Ed < <ed… [at] gmail.com> >> ed… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> How is it that I have yet to see an email from someone with a cal >>> cruising 46 >>> Either those boats are so well made that they stay "fine" an >>> impossibility >>> Or the smaller siblings owners just love to chat >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:22 PM, " <ka… [at] rocketmail.com> >>> ka… [at] rocketmail.com" < <ka… [at] rocketmail.com> >>> ka… [at] rocketmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> I am looking to purchase a Cal 27 MK III. I recently inspected one, but >>> noticed an issue with the support holding the compression post in the cabin >>> sole. I attached images under the photo album titled " >>> Cal 27 MK III" to help explain what I am talking about. --> I also used >>> the search function without any success. >>> >>> PHOTOS - Link to Yahoo Group Album >>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/photos/album/1317830660/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc> >>> >>> >>> The support holding up the compression post has sunken in an approximate >>> 1/4". As seen in the pictures, major cracks have formed around the top >>> edges of the support. The fiberglass has also bellowed out in this area. >>> I photographed the bilge and noticed a metal structure behind a thin layer >>> of resin. I am not sure if this is factory or an attempted fix? >>> >>> In relation, there is water damage along the edges of the port and >>> starboard bulkheads. Only a couple spots along the bottom edges seemed >>> soft, but they are definitely something that needs to be watched/fixed. >>> The deck seemed solid around the mast, and I did not notice any obvious >>> deformations. When I went to check the privacy door (on the main bulkhead) >>> for proper opening and closing, it would only shut about 80%. The binding >>> appeared to come from the starboard top and bottom of the >>> door approximately 6" starboard of the compression post. >>> >>> Does anyone have any information on the construction of this support >>> structure? I am thinking it may be part of the "steel beam" I have read >>> about. However, I am not sure. There is not a large amount of information >>> on the 27 MK III, so I am just guessing at this point. >>> >>> Is this a common problem? >>> >>> Should I pass on this boat? >>> >>> How much would this issue bring the value down? (being realistic) >>> >>> Any information/comments on this issue or even the model in particular >>> would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> >>> Thank You, >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >

Our slip is a little tricky to back into as well. All the slips are angled up stream along the dock. We have a long finger pier, but it narrows at the end making it a little shaky with bags, groceries or coolers. We started backing in for better access soon after we moved in. Our Cal 33 doesn't back very well. With the two blade prop, we would need about 3 boat lengths to get enough way on to use the rudder to steer. Prop walk would move us a boat width out from the docks. With a three blade, we have reduce that to about 2 boat lengths. I often don't allow enough distance and still have to either fight pilings, or make multiple attempts. I have broken the fuel-fill vent about 3 times in the past 6 years. I love the look that gets from SWMBO! But when I get it right... Ymmv John Cal 33 Oriental NC From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Newman Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 9:55 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 27 MK III - Compression Post Support Depression My hats off the the larger boat owners. My wife and I don't just come scooting into the slip at the end of the day, and I wonder how the larger boat owners manage to maneuver their larger craft into a slip. This past Sunday there was a little bit of a blow as we came into dock. I back in, so it took me a couple of tries before we eased into the slip. We have to slip down between two rows of boats and then turn into our slip. Slow and steady. But still there is always a little scuffling around as we try not to let the boat hit a piling. This boat is new to us, so we're still in the learning stage, getting used to how she handles. And I keep being amazed at the workmanship. This weekend I wanted to grease the rudder shaft, so was crawling around down below. The boat is just so finely crafted. I was laying down in the stern just looking around and liking everything I saw. Probably silly to be laying down below in the stern just looking around, but I'm just so pleased with the boat I was enjoying exploring. We spent most of the day sailing, but I spent a few hours once back at dock to start attending to some of the little items found during the marine survey. Take care. Leslie

Leslie I couldn't agree with you more I often do the same with my boat Though getting back into the slip Is the most nerve racking part of sailing for me since my Cal 46 has a full keep and no bow truster so it doesn't turn very well I am always amazed at the level of craftsmanship as well the toughness And how strong the are built This particular original Cal 46 is actually some 50 yes ahead of it's time If you'll look at an Oyster 49 pilothouse Built in 1991 it is very reminiscent of the overall design of the Cal 46 Look at a hylas 57 boat. No Hylas has no indoor steering in their pilothouse but the overall design Is similar ( of course hylas has a flimsey Fin keel and I wouldn't want it for off shore adventures) The vast spaciousness of my 46 main saloon Is roomier than my old Apmt in NY city People talk about the 2 best says Of boat owners Everyday is a best day for me I so love my boat, I wouldn't sell it For 3 times what I paid for it Edwin Lahlia Cal Cruising 46 Marina del Rey CA On Aug 5, 2013, at 6:54, Leslie Newman <d2… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > My hats off the the larger boat owners. My wife and I don't just come scooting into the slip at the end of the day, and I wonder how the larger boat owners manage to maneuver their larger craft into a slip. This past Sunday there was a little bit of a blow as we came into dock. I back in, so it took me a couple of tries before we eased into the slip. We have to slip down between two rows of boats and then turn into our slip. Slow and steady. But still there is always a little scuffling around as we try not to let the boat hit a piling. > > This boat is new to us, so we're still in the learning stage, getting used to how she handles. And I keep being amazed at the workmanship. This weekend I wanted to grease the rudder shaft, so was crawling around down below. The boat is just so finely crafted. I was laying down in the stern just looking around and liking everything I saw. Probably silly to be laying down below in the stern just looking around, but I'm just so pleased with the boat I was enjoying exploring. > > We spent most of the day sailing, but I spent a few hours once back at dock to start attending to some of the little items found during the marine survey. > > Take care. > Leslie > > > > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Ed <ed… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes that's for sure Leslie > > There are many times when I wished my cal 46 was only 30 foot long since > Then I'd be able to sail right out or into my slip in Marina del Rey, CA > > And all the sails and rigging would be much easier to manage > > Actually my 46 has smaller sail and shorter mast than the that of Cal 40 > Since its really a motorsailer with 400 gallons of fuel and 160 gallons of water > I can actually motor from Los Angeles to maui on a tank full and a few Gerry cans > > Because its fashioned after the hall of famed legendary Cal 40 that forever changed > Racing boat design, it actually sails and handles quite well for an undercanvaced > Boat > > We share many design and materials with the smaller siblings like the 40, 33, 30, 27 etc > > These boats were created when manufacturers believed in building products that would last for generations And not for just one or two owners like cars > > I am a fourth owner and have had people offer to buy it even though its NOT for sale! > > Cheers > > Edwin > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:09 AM, Leslie Newman <d2… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Well, two of us Cal 33 owners can chat with you. Together we are plenty long enough :). >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:56 AM, edwmama <ed… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Leslie >> >> That may be since they involve higher >> Cost like slip fee, bottom painting insurance etc >> >> But part of enjoying these love boats >> Is doing just that....labor of love.....tinkering >> And fixing things within our ability >> It's also therapy for me as stress relief >> From my hectic work >> >> There were 15 of the original Cal 46 >> 96 of the 2-46 and some 40+ of the 3-46 >> >> >> It's just strange that I see no web >> Chats about these bigger siblings from their owners >> >> All cal boats are gems and I truly >> Believe in their superb design quality >> And durability and handling characteristics >> >> >> Edwin >> Cal Cruising 46 >> Marina del Rey CA >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:53, Leslie Newman <d2… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Maybe the 46 owners just have plenty of money to pay someone else for all repairs and don't need to post questions on how to fix stuff. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Ed <ed… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> How is it that I have yet to see an email from someone with a cal cruising 46 >>> Either those boats are so well made that they stay "fine" an impossibility >>> Or the smaller siblings owners just love to chat >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:22 PM, "ka… [at] rocketmail.com" <ka… [at] rocketmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> I am looking to purchase a Cal 27 MK III. I recently inspected one, but noticed an issue with the support holding the compression post in the cabin sole. I attached images under the photo album titled " >>>> >>>> Cal 27 MK III" to help explain what I am talking about. --> I also used the search function without any success. >>>> >>>> >>>> PHOTOS - Link to Yahoo Group Album >>>> >>>> The support holding up the compression post has sunken in an approximate 1/4". As seen in the pictures, major cracks have formed around the top edges of the support. The fiberglass has also bellowed out in this area. I photographed the bilge and noticed a metal structure behind a thin layer of resin. I am not sure if this is factory or an attempted fix? >>>> >>>> In relation, there is water damage along the edges of the port and starboard bulkheads. Only a couple spots along the bottom edges seemed soft, but they are definitely something that needs to be watched/fixed. The deck seemed solid around the mast, and I did not notice any obvious deformations. When I went to check the privacy door (on the main bulkhead) for proper opening and closing, it would only shut about 80%. The binding appeared to come from the starboard top and bottom of the door approximately 6" starboard of the compression post. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any information on the construction of this support structure? I am thinking it may be part of the "steel beam" I have read about. However, I am not sure. There is not a large amount of information on the 27 MK III, so I am just guessing at this point. >>>> >>>> Is this a common problem? >>>> >>>> Should I pass on this boat? >>>> >>>> How much would this issue bring the value down? (being realistic) >>>> >>>> Any information/comments on this issue or even the model in particular would be greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank You, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >

Thank you for the reply. I am currently under negotiations with the owner. It is difficult trying to figure out the value of a boat with this kind of issue. It could be cosmetic, but I am not sure. I could not find the picture you attached. Is there a specific place I should be looking? Thanks, --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, David Field <field1941@...> wrote: > > Not sure who is asking about the compression post in a Cal 27 Mark III, however, I'm attaching a photo of the bottom of mine which may  or may not be the original for comparison purposes.  I can also tell you that the wood frame just under the deck has been cracked for years making the door a bit difficult to slide.  I presume that was caused by the boat working somewhat normally under sail. > David > Cal 27 Mark III, Latitude Changer >  > > ________________________________ > From: Ed <edwmama@...> > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Cc: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 27 MK III - Compression Post Support Depression > > > >  > How is it that I have yet to see an email from someone with a cal cruising 46 > Either those boats are so well made that they stay "fine" an impossibility > Or the smaller siblings owners just love to chat > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:22 PM, "kassie.rose@..." <kassie.rose@...> wrote: > > >  > >Hi, > > > > > >I am looking to purchase a Cal 27 MK III.  I recently inspected one, but noticed an issue with the support holding the compression post in the cabin sole.  I attached images under the photo album titled " > >Cal 27 MK III" to help explain what I am talking about. --> I also used the search function without any success.  > > > > > >PHOTOS - Link to Yahoo Group Album  > > > > > > > >The support holding up the compression post has sunken in an approximate 1/4".  As seen in the pictures, major cracks have formed around the top edges of the support.  The fiberglass has also bellowed out in this area.  I photographed the bilge and noticed a metal structure behind a thin layer of resin. I am not sure if this is factory or an attempted fix?   > > > > > >In relation, there is water damage along the edges of the port and starboard bulkheads.  Only a couple spots along the bottom edges seemed soft, but they are definitely something that needs to be watched/fixed.  The deck seemed solid around the mast, and I did not notice any obvious deformations. When I went to check the privacy door (on the main bulkhead) for proper opening and closing,  it would only shut about 80%.  The binding appeared to come from the starboard top and bottom of the door approximately 6" starboard of the compression post.    > > > > > >Does anyone have any information on the construction of this support structure?  I am thinking it may be part of the "steel beam" I have read about. However, I am not sure.  There is not a large amount of information on the 27 MK III, so I am just guessing at this point.  > > > > > >Is this a common problem?  > > > > > >Should I pass on this boat?  > > > > > >How much would this issue bring the value down? (being realistic)  > > > > > >Any information/comments on this issue or even the model in particular would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > >Thank You,  > > > > > > > > > > >

I've heard that model referred to as the Cal 29's "little brother". Could it have the dreaded beam problem too? Greg Beron, from my iPhone On Aug 5, 2013, at 6:58 PM, "ka… [at] rocketmail.com" <ka… [at] rocketmail.com> wrote: > > > Thank you for the reply. I am currently under negotiations with the owner. It is difficult trying to figure out the value of a boat with this kind of issue. It could be cosmetic, but I am not sure. > > I could not find the picture you attached. Is there a specific place I should be looking? > > Thanks, > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, David Field <field1941@...> wrote: > > > > Not sure who is asking about the compression post in a Cal 27 Mark III, however, I'm attaching a photo of the bottom of mine which may or may not be the original for comparison purposes. I can also tell you that the wood frame just under the deck has been cracked for years making the door a bit difficult to slide. I presume that was caused by the boat working somewhat normally under sail. > > David > > Cal 27 Mark III, Latitude Changer > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ed <edwmama@...> > > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > Cc: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 27 MK III - Compression Post Support Depression > > > > > > > > > > How is it that I have yet to see an email from someone with a cal cruising 46 > > Either those boats are so well made that they stay "fine" an impossibility > > Or the smaller siblings owners just love to chat > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Jul 28, 2013, at 8:22 PM, "kassie.rose@..." <kassie.rose@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > > >I am looking to purchase a Cal 27 MK III. I recently inspected one, but noticed an issue with the support holding the compression post in the cabin sole. I attached images under the photo album titled " > > >Cal 27 MK III" to help explain what I am talking about. --> I also used the search function without any success. > > > > > > > > >PHOTOS - Link to Yahoo Group Album > > > > > > > > > > > >The support holding up the compression post has sunken in an approximate 1/4". As seen in the pictures, major cracks have formed around the top edges of the support. The fiberglass has also bellowed out in this area. I photographed the bilge and noticed a metal structure behind a thin layer of resin. I am not sure if this is factory or an attempted fix? > > > > > > > > >In relation, there is water damage along the edges of the port and starboard bulkheads. Only a couple spots along the bottom edges seemed soft, but they are definitely something that needs to be watched/fixed. The deck seemed solid around the mast, and I did not notice any obvious deformations. When I went to check the privacy door (on the main bulkhead) for proper opening and closing, it would only shut about 80%. The binding appeared to come from the starboard top and bottom of the door approximately 6" starboard of the compression post. > > > > > > > > >Does anyone have any information on the construction of this support structure? I am thinking it may be part of the "steel beam" I have read about. However, I am not sure. There is not a large amount of information on the 27 MK III, so I am just guessing at this point. > > > > > > > > >Is this a common problem? > > > > > > > > >Should I pass on this boat? > > > > > > > > >How much would this issue bring the value down? (being realistic) > > > > > > > > >Any information/comments on this issue or even the model in particular would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thank You, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >