Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Cal 25 power upgrade

The good news for me is I can get nonethanol gas less than 2 miles from my marina and I run marine stabiliser and I run my carb dry every time I leave the boat for a few days. My little Sailmaster runs very well although I think it's time to replace the plugs. Looking for quieter below decks and better fuel economy. I've looked at the Yamaha and they do have some excess poundage. Kevin Cal 25 Panache From: Dylan Crouch Sent: Aug 14, 2013 3:15 PM To: cal_boats Subject: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Cal 25 power upgrade Kevin>> I do find the yamaha does not like ethanol and the carbs will clog if you don't run them out of fuel when not using Many outboard manufacturers now have instructions to either drain the carb OR to use fuel "stabilizers" because of the ethanol, and mention the clogging problem. I do not know about the big engines, but I have seen this for smaller ones. Fuel stabilizers are available at most hardware stores and auto part stores and are OK for both 2 and 4 stroke engines. I do both: use the stabilizer and drain the carb as I do not use the outboard much. Ours is for the dingy. My guess is that some of the older manuals probably do not have this documented as the ethanol was not being used so much when the manual was written/printed. But I assume this would help the clogging issue the older engines as well. Does anyone know of any negatives to using fuel stabilizers for outboards? Later - Dyer 1960 Cal 2-30, Honu. SF Bay. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Englert Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:47 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 25 power upgrade I would focus on the weight of the 9.9 4 stroke vs 2 stroke. I would think if you want to go 4 stroke, you need to go a little smaller so you don't sit heavy in the back end. I use the yamaha 9.9 High thrust on my cal 29. It's heavy. One thing I will say is the high trust versions of the yamaha offer very good backing power for an outboard. I do find the yamaha does not like ethanol and the carbs will clog if you don't run them out of fuel when not using. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Kevin Swart < kg… [at] earthlink.net > wrote: I'm currently running a Johnson 9.9 2 stroke and it gives me all the power I need but for a number of reasons I'm thinking of upgrading to a 4 stroke. Noise and fuel efficiency mainly. Looking at the Tohatsu/Nissan motors and I'm wondering if I should stay with a 9.9 or drop back to an 8 horse. I mainly use the motor only to get in and out of my marina but I'm planning on taking a long trip down the Barge Canal next year. I want electric start and a charging system. Thank for your opinions! Kevin Cal 25 Panache PG&E is committed to protecting our customers' privacy. To learn more, please visit http://www.pge.com/about/company/privacy/customer/

I'd look for the lightest twin for smoothness, my one criticism of my one cylinder is the vibration and consequently noise it generates thru the boat, but somehow, being on the water will lull you to sleep no matter what. It doesn't take much to get displacement sailboats to approach hull speed, and even a whole lot less to get to a significant percentage of that speed. I had a Suzuki 6 two cycle twin on a Cal 25 I briefly owned, and it was silky smooth and had plenty of power. In fact, I sold it to the owner of a Catalina 27 tall rig and he was very happy with it; he traded me his Nissan 5 plus some cash. I notice there is no weight difference between the least and most HP motor in a certain displacement range of any brand. Jerry From: Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:21 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Cal 25 power upgrade The good news for me is I can get nonethanol gas less than 2 miles from my marina and I run marine stabiliser and I run my carb dry every time I leave the boat for a few days. My little Sailmaster runs very well although I think it's time to replace the plugs. Looking for quieter below decks and better fuel economy. I've looked at the Yamaha and they do have some excess poundage. Kevin Cal 25 Panache >From: Dylan Crouch >Sent: Aug 14, 2013 3:15 PM >To: cal_boats >Subject: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Cal 25 power upgrade > > >Kevin>> I do find the yamaha does not like ethanol and the carbs will clog if you don't run them out of fuel when not using > > >Many outboard manufacturers now have instructions to either drain the carb OR to use fuel "stabilizers" because of the ethanol, and mention the clogging problem. I do not know about the big engines, but I have seen this for smaller ones. Fuel stabilizers are available at most hardware stores and auto part stores and are OK for both 2 and 4 stroke engines. > > > I do both: use the stabilizer and drain the carb as I do not use the outboard much. Ours is for the dingy. > > > >My guess is that some of the older manuals probably do not have this documented as the ethanol was not being used so much when the manual was written/printed. But I assume this would help the clogging issue the older engines as well. > > >Does anyone know of any negatives to using fuel stabilizers for outboards? > > >Later - > Dyer >1960 Cal 2-30, Honu. >SF Bay. > >From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Englert >Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:47 AM >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 25 power upgrade > > >I would focus on the weight of the 9.9 4 stroke vs 2 stroke. I would think if you want to go 4 stroke, you need to go a little smaller so you don't sit heavy in the back end. I use the yamaha 9.9 High thrust on my cal 29. It's heavy. >One thing I will say is the high trust versions of the yamaha offer very good backing power for an outboard. >I do find the yamaha does not like ethanol and the carbs will clog if you don't run them out of fuel when not using. > >On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> wrote: > > >I'm currently running a Johnson 9.9 2 stroke and it gives me all the power I need but for a number of reasons I'm thinking of upgrading to a 4 stroke. Noise and fuel efficiency mainly. Looking at the Tohatsu/Nissan motors and I'm wondering if I should stay with a 9.9 or drop back to an 8 horse. I mainly use the motor only to get in and out of my marina but I'm planning on taking a long trip down the Barge Canal next year. I want electric start and a charging system. > >Thank for your opinions! > >Kevin >Cal 25 >Panache > >>________________________________ > >PG&E is committed to protecting our customers' privacy. >To learn more, please visit http://www.pge.com/about/company/privacy/customer/ >________________________________ > > >

Hello Kevin Just returning from a little trip on Lake Erie when I saw your email. Just before we left I purchased a 1987 9.9 Honda long shaft 4-stroke with electric start off of Craigslist for $700. I was running a much older Merc 9.9 2-stroke and this new engine is probably twice the weight. I don't really think this bothers the sturdy Cal25 one little bit. The only disadvantage is lifting it on in the spring and off in the fall. No big deal really. Don't tell my wife, but I think I'm in love! Quiet, very fuel efficient and it charges up my batteries. Get er done! Mark Cosens On 2013-08-14, at 11:21 PM, Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> wrote: > The good news for me is I can get nonethanol gas less than 2 miles from my marina and I run marine stabiliser and I run my carb dry every time I leave the boat for a few days. My little Sailmaster runs very well although I think it's time to replace the plugs. Looking for quieter below decks and better fuel economy. I've looked at the Yamaha and they do have some excess poundage. > > Kevin > Cal 25 > Panache > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dylan Crouch > Sent: Aug 14, 2013 3:15 PM > To: cal_boats > Subject: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Cal 25 power upgrade > > > Kevin>> I do find the yamaha does not like ethanol and the carbs will clog if you don't run them out of fuel when not using > > Many outboard manufacturers now have instructions to either drain the carb OR to use fuel "stabilizers" because of the ethanol, and mention the clogging problem. I do not know about the big engines, but I have seen this for smaller ones. Fuel stabilizers are available at most hardware stores and auto part stores and are OK for both 2 and 4 stroke engines. > > I do both: use the stabilizer and drain the carb as I do not use the outboard much. Ours is for the dingy. > > My guess is that some of the older manuals probably do not have this documented as the ethanol was not being used so much when the manual was written/printed. But I assume this would help the clogging issue the older engines as well. > > Does anyone know of any negatives to using fuel stabilizers for outboards? > > Later - > Dyer > 1960 Cal 2-30, Honu. > SF Bay. > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Englert > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:47 AM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 25 power upgrade > > > I would focus on the weight of the 9.9 4 stroke vs 2 stroke. I would think if you want to go 4 stroke, you need to go a little smaller so you don't sit heavy in the back end. I use the yamaha 9.9 High thrust on my cal 29. It's heavy. > One thing I will say is the high trust versions of the yamaha offer very good backing power for an outboard. > I do find the yamaha does not like ethanol and the carbs will clog if you don't run them out of fuel when not using. > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> wrote: > > > I'm currently running a Johnson 9.9 2 stroke and it gives me all the power I need but for a number of reasons I'm thinking of upgrading to a 4 stroke. Noise and fuel efficiency mainly. Looking at the Tohatsu/Nissan motors and I'm wondering if I should stay with a 9.9 or drop back to an 8 horse. I mainly use the motor only to get in and out of my marina but I'm planning on taking a long trip down the Barge Canal next year. I want electric start and a charging system. > > Thank for your opinions! > > Kevin > Cal 25 > Panache > > > PG&E is committed to protecting our customers' privacy. > To learn more, please visit http://www.pge.com/about/company/privacy/customer/ > > >

One of the enlistees whom I race against has a late model Honda O.B. of the same size and it doesn't seem to slow her down a bit. I bet electric start must add a bit of weight tho...the Cal 25 with it's transom mounting should make pull starting easy enuff; I could see why it would be almost necessary if it was mounted on a larger boat with higher freeboard and a scissors mount set up, where you'd have to hang your body over the transom to get at the pull chord. Jerry, Shpritz, Cal Mk 1 #71 kit classic. From: Mark Cosens <ma… [at] markcosens.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 25 power upgrade Hello Kevin Just returning from a little trip on Lake Erie when I saw your email. Just before we left I purchased a 1987 9.9 Honda long shaft 4-stroke with electric start off of Craigslist for $700. I was running a much older Merc 9.9 2-stroke and this new engine is probably twice the weight. I don't really think this bothers the sturdy Cal25 one little bit. The only disadvantage is lifting it on in the spring and off in the fall. No big deal really. Don't tell my wife, but I think I'm in love! Quiet, very fuel efficient and it charges up my batteries. Get er done! Mark Cosens On 2013-08-14, at 11:21 PM, Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> wrote: >The good news for me is I can get nonethanol gas less than 2 miles from my marina and I run marine stabiliser and I run my carb dry every time I leave the boat for a few days. My little Sailmaster runs very well although I think it's time to replace the plugs. Looking for quieter below decks and better fuel economy. I've looked at the Yamaha and they do have some excess poundage. > >Kevin >Cal 25 >Panache > > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Dylan Crouch >>Sent: Aug 14, 2013 3:15 PM >>To: cal_boats >>Subject: Fw: [Cal_Boats] Cal 25 power upgrade >> >> >>Kevin>> I do find the yamaha does not like ethanol and the carbs will clog if you don't run them out of fuel when not using >> >> >>Many outboard manufacturers now have instructions to either drain the carb OR to use fuel "stabilizers" because of the ethanol, and mention the clogging problem. I do not know about the big engines, but I have seen this for smaller ones. Fuel stabilizers are available at most hardware stores and auto part stores and are OK for both 2 and 4 stroke engines. >> >> >> I do both: use the stabilizer and drain the carb as I do not use the outboard much. Ours is for the dingy. >> >> >> >>My guess is that some of the older manuals probably do not have this documented as the ethanol was not being used so much when the manual was written/printed. But I assume this would help the clogging issue the older engines as well. >> >> >>Does anyone know of any negatives to using fuel stabilizers for outboards? >> >> >>Later - >> Dyer >>1960 Cal 2-30, Honu. >>SF Bay. >> >>From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Englert >>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:47 AM >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 25 power upgrade >> >> >>I would focus on the weight of the 9.9 4 stroke vs 2 stroke. I would think if you want to go 4 stroke, you need to go a little smaller so you don't sit heavy in the back end. I use the yamaha 9.9 High thrust on my cal 29. It's heavy. >>One thing I will say is the high trust versions of the yamaha offer very good backing power for an outboard. >>I do find the yamaha does not like ethanol and the carbs will clog if you don't run them out of fuel when not using. >> >>On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Kevin Swart <kg… [at] earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> >>I'm currently running a Johnson 9.9 2 stroke and it gives me all the power I need but for a number of reasons I'm thinking of upgrading to a 4 stroke. Noise and fuel efficiency mainly. Looking at the Tohatsu/Nissan motors and I'm wondering if I should stay with a 9.9 or drop back to an 8 horse. I mainly use the motor only to get in and out of my marina but I'm planning on taking a long trip down the Barge Canal next year. I want electric start and a charging system. >> >>Thank for your opinions! >> >>Kevin >>Cal 25 >>Panache >> >>>>________________________________ >> >>PG&E is committed to protecting our customers' privacy. >>To learn more, please visit http://www.pge.com/about/company/privacy/customer/ >>________________________________ >> >> >>