RE: [Cal_Boats] wind range for 155 genoa on a cal 2-29

From another Bay sailor up north. There would be many opinions on this depending on the skipper and how he/she drives. Will you be using a chute at any point? Is your main reef readily shakable? Is there time for sail changes on the course. Obviously, bigger sails are better for off the wind if you are not using chute. Suggest that a #2 and full for flatter water, and #1 and a reef if choppy if the wind is 20ing. If you drive to windward with the inside telltales fluttering (crew will call it pinching – you will call it feathering), then you might go #1 and a full main. Kind of depends on whether you are dealing with the 15 end of the wind range or the 20. Also how long the windward legs are. Hope this helps - my 2 cents Best of Luck Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sa… [at] gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:02 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] wind range for 155 genoa on a cal 2-29 Getting ready to do my first race in my cal 2-29 this weekend on the lower Chesapeake bay. Not a novice racer, just never raced my 29. We will be sailing w 6 on board. I have an old kevlar 155 and an old dacron 130. The wind is supposed to be 15-20. What wind ranges do you racers carry the 155 and do you reef the main first before going to a smaller jib or to you change head sails early. My gut feeling is it will be 135 weather, if for no other reason, I doubt the old kevlar will last long in that kind of breeze :) ...any input? Thanks, East Coast Cal 29 sailor. 628

Thanks Charlie, My biggest concern is I will have a tendency to go small early because I usually sail by myself. I tend to go to the 135 in anything over 12 going up wind. I usually set an Asym for going down wind when I do that. For PHRF, I will be racing spin. Spent the last couple of weeks getting all my rigging in order. I have another long day tomorrow and then I will be as done as I can be. A couple of weeks ago was the first time I had seen my Symmetrical Spinnaker. I bought it used a couple years ago for near nothing. the head had a hand written date of 1979 on it. It is the softest sail I have ever felt, but does not appear to be rotten and has no holes in it. Attached is a picture of the first time I put it up. Went out by myself in the evening in a decent breeze. Was a little nervous putting it up but decided to push through and do it. Once up, I was quite happy w my accomplishment and then though, oh Sh%$, I am not sure how I am going to get this thing down LOL. Hit 7.9 knots that day w it up. Let see, to get ready I have installed rope clutches on the mast for spin halyard and topping lift, had to cut the used spin pole I bought down to J, installed an adjustable backstay, added cabin top winches for the spin sheets and installed a new/used harken traveler for the main. Doesn't look like much in writing, but it was sure kept me busy. My boat will be clean and simple. I have a very good crew, but we have not sailed together on this boat. it's a small event so it will be a good one for us to cut our teeth. Main tactics...keep the pointy end up front, the boat under the mast, don't hit anyone and don't break anything. ...it's going to be fun. Hope we are able to make it go to it's rating. Have a good one, Jim On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) < hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > ** > > > From another Bay sailor up north. There would be many opinions on this > depending on the skipper and how he/she drives. Will you be using a chute > at any point? Is your main reef readily shakable? Is there time for sail > changes on the course. Obviously, bigger sails are better for off the wind > if you are not using chute.**** > > ** ** > > Suggest that a #2 and full for flatter water, and #1 and a reef if choppy > if the wind is 20ing. If you drive to windward with the inside telltales > fluttering (crew will call it pinching – you will call it feathering), then > you might go #1 and a full main. Kind of depends on whether you are > dealing with the 15 end of the wind range or the 20. Also how long the > windward legs are.**** > > ** ** > > Hope this helps - my 2 cents**** > > Best of Luck**** > > Charlie**** > > Annapolis**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *sa… [at] gmail.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:02 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [External] [Cal_Boats] wind range for 155 genoa on a cal 2-29** > ** > > ** ** > > > > Getting ready to do my first race in my cal 2-29 this weekend on the lower > Chesapeake bay. Not a novice racer, just never raced my 29. We will be > sailing w 6 on board. I have an old kevlar 155 and an old dacron 130. The > wind is supposed to be 15-20. What wind ranges do you racers carry the 155 > and do you reef the main first before going to a smaller jib or to you > change head sails early. My gut feeling is it will be 135 weather, if for > no other reason, I doubt the old kevlar will last long in that kind of > breeze :) > > ...any input? > > Thanks, > East Coast Cal 29 sailor. > 628 > > > **** > > **** > > >

a sailmaker told me: if you will be flying spinnaker downwind on a windward/leeward course, fly a 100% upwind if you have it. You'll go just as fast as with a larger headsail, but pointing higher, assuming you are set up to trim the jib correctly. reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: sa… [at] gmail.com Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:53:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] wind range for 155 genoa on a cal 2-29 [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Jim Englert included below] Thanks Charlie, My biggest concern is I will have a tendency to go small early because I usually sail by myself. I tend to go to the 135 in anything over 12 going up wind. I usually set an Asym for going down wind when I do that. For PHRF, I will be racing spin. Spent the last couple of weeks getting all my rigging in order. I have another long day tomorrow and then I will be as done as I can be. A couple of weeks ago was the first time I had seen my Symmetrical Spinnaker. I bought it used a couple years ago for near nothing. the head had a hand written date of 1979 on it. It is the softest sail I have ever felt, but does not appear to be rotten and has no holes in it. Attached is a picture of the first time I put it up. Went out by myself in the evening in a decent breeze. Was a little nervous putting it up but decided to push through and do it. Once up, I was quite happy w my accomplishment and then though, oh Sh%$, I am not sure how I am going to get this thing down LOL. Hit 7.9 knots that day w it up. Let see, to get ready I have installed rope clutches on the mast for spin halyard and topping lift, had to cut the used spin pole I bought down to J, installed an adjustable backstay, added cabin top winches for the spin sheets and installed a new/used harken traveler for the main. Doesn't look like much in writing, but it was sure kept me busy. My boat will be clean and simple. I have a very good crew, but we have not sailed together on this boat. it's a small event so it will be a good one for us to cut our teeth. Main tactics...keep the pointy end up front, the boat under the mast, don't hit anyone and don't break anything. ...it's going to be fun. Hope we are able to make it go to it's rating. Have a good one, Jim On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote:

For the Cal 9.2, I switch from the 150 at 15 to a relatively flat but well used carbonfiber laminant dacron 135 that loves 17+knots. Over 20, I need to throw in a little flattening reef on the main to ease the helm a little. Then a slab reef if needed and next is 90%jib to 35 and then the storm jib35+. On 9/11/2013 6:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > From another Bay sailor up north. There would be many opinions on > this depending on the skipper and how he/she drives. Will you be > using a chute at any point? Is your main reef readily shakable? Is > there time for sail changes on the course. Obviously, bigger sails > are better for off the wind if you are not using chute. > > Suggest that a #2 and full for flatter water, and #1 and a reef if > choppy if the wind is 20ing. If you drive to windward with the inside > telltales fluttering (crew will call it pinching – you will call it > feathering), then you might go #1 and a full main. Kind of depends on > whether you are dealing with the 15 end of the wind range or the 20. > Also how long the windward legs are. > > Hope this helps - my 2 cents > > Best of Luck > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > *From:*Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *sa… [at] gmail.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:02 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [External] [Cal_Boats] wind range for 155 genoa on a cal 2-29 > > > > Getting ready to do my first race in my cal 2-29 this weekend on the > lower Chesapeake bay. Not a novice racer, just never raced my 29. We > will be sailing w 6 on board. I have an old kevlar 155 and an old > dacron 130. The wind is supposed to be 15-20. What wind ranges do > you racers carry the 155 and do you reef the main first before going > to a smaller jib or to you change head sails early. My gut feeling is > it will be 135 weather, if for no other reason, I doubt the old kevlar > will last long in that kind of breeze :) > > ...any input? > > Thanks, > East Coast Cal 29 sailor. > 628 > > >

Thanks for the input Roline :) On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:16 AM, roline <ro… [at] charter.net> wrote: > ** > > > For the Cal 9.2, I switch from the 150 at 15 to a relatively flat but well > used carbonfiber laminant dacron 135 that loves 17+knots. Over 20, I need > to throw in a little flattening reef on the main to ease the helm a > little. Then a slab reef if needed and next is 90%jib to 35 and then the > storm jib35+. > > > On 9/11/2013 6:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > > > From another Bay sailor up north. There would be many opinions on this > depending on the skipper and how he/she drives. Will you be using a chute > at any point? Is your main reef readily shakable? Is there time for sail > changes on the course. Obviously, bigger sails are better for off the wind > if you are not using chute.**** > > ** ** > > Suggest that a #2 and full for flatter water, and #1 and a reef if choppy > if the wind is 20ing. If you drive to windward with the inside telltales > fluttering (crew will call it pinching – you will call it feathering), then > you might go #1 and a full main. Kind of depends on whether you are > dealing with the 15 end of the wind range or the 20. Also how long the > windward legs are.**** > > ** ** > > Hope this helps - my 2 cents**** > > Best of Luck**** > > Charlie**** > > Annapolis**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] > *On Behalf Of *sa… [at] gmail.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:02 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [External] [Cal_Boats] wind range for 155 genoa on a cal 2-29** > ** > > ** ** > > > > Getting ready to do my first race in my cal 2-29 this weekend on the lower > Chesapeake bay. Not a novice racer, just never raced my 29. We will be > sailing w 6 on board. I have an old kevlar 155 and an old dacron 130. The > wind is supposed to be 15-20. What wind ranges do you racers carry the 155 > and do you reef the main first before going to a smaller jib or to you > change head sails early. My gut feeling is it will be 135 weather, if for > no other reason, I doubt the old kevlar will last long in that kind of > breeze :) > > ...any input? > > Thanks, > East Coast Cal 29 sailor. > 628 > > > **** > > **** > > > >

Headed uphill with 135, main with the little flattening reef. I sail on a TVA lake, little fetch so more chop than swells. On 9/12/2013 10:36 AM, Jim Englert wrote: > Thanks for the input Roline :) > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:16 AM, roline <ro… [at] charter.net > <mailto:ro… [at] charter.net>> wrote: > > For the Cal 9.2, I switch from the 150 at 15 to a relatively flat > but well used carbonfiber laminant dacron 135 that loves 17+knots. > Over 20, I need to throw in a little flattening reef on the main > to ease the helm a little. Then a slab reef if needed and next is > 90%jib to 35 and then the storm jib35+. > > > > On 9/11/2013 6:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: >> >> From another Bay sailor up north. There would be many opinions on >> this depending on the skipper and how he/she drives. Will you be >> using a chute at any point? Is your main reef readily shakable? >> Is there time for sail changes on the course. Obviously, bigger >> sails are better for off the wind if you are not using chute. >> >> Suggest that a #2 and full for flatter water, and #1 and a reef >> if choppy if the wind is 20ing. If you drive to windward with >> the inside telltales fluttering (crew will call it pinching – you >> will call it feathering), then you might go #1 and a full main. >> Kind of depends on whether you are dealing with the 15 end of the >> wind range or the 20. Also how long the windward legs are. >> >> Hope this helps - my 2 cents >> >> Best of Luck >> >> Charlie >> >> Annapolis >> >> *From:*Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of >> *sa… [at] gmail.com <mailto:sa… [at] gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:02 PM >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Subject:* [External] [Cal_Boats] wind range for 155 genoa on a >> cal 2-29 >> >> >> >> Getting ready to do my first race in my cal 2-29 this weekend on >> the lower Chesapeake bay. Not a novice racer, just never raced >> my 29. We will be sailing w 6 on board. I have an old kevlar >> 155 and an old dacron 130. The wind is supposed to be 15-20. >> What wind ranges do you racers carry the 155 and do you reef the >> main first before going to a smaller jib or to you change head >> sails early. My gut feeling is it will be 135 weather, if for no >> other reason, I doubt the old kevlar will last long in that kind >> of breeze :) >> >> ...any input? >> >> Thanks, >> East Coast Cal 29 sailor. >> 628 >> >> > > >

Down-hill with the small chute, we still see enough air to broach. This pic was between gusts the wind would move more on the nose instead of being from 120 apparent when we were briefly in control. On 9/12/2013 10:36 AM, Jim Englert wrote: > Thanks for the input Roline :) > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:16 AM, roline <ro… [at] charter.net > <mailto:ro… [at] charter.net>> wrote: > > For the Cal 9.2, I switch from the 150 at 15 to a relatively flat > but well used carbonfiber laminant dacron 135 that loves 17+knots. > Over 20, I need to throw in a little flattening reef on the main > to ease the helm a little. Then a slab reef if needed and next is > 90%jib to 35 and then the storm jib35+. > > > > On 9/11/2013 6:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: >> >> From another Bay sailor up north. There would be many opinions on >> this depending on the skipper and how he/she drives. Will you be >> using a chute at any point? Is your main reef readily shakable? >> Is there time for sail changes on the course. Obviously, bigger >> sails are better for off the wind if you are not using chute. >> >> Suggest that a #2 and full for flatter water, and #1 and a reef >> if choppy if the wind is 20ing. If you drive to windward with >> the inside telltales fluttering (crew will call it pinching – you >> will call it feathering), then you might go #1 and a full main. >> Kind of depends on whether you are dealing with the 15 end of the >> wind range or the 20. Also how long the windward legs are. >> >> Hope this helps - my 2 cents >> >> Best of Luck >> >> Charlie >> >> Annapolis >> >> *From:*Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of >> *sa… [at] gmail.com <mailto:sa… [at] gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:02 PM >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> *Subject:* [External] [Cal_Boats] wind range for 155 genoa on a >> cal 2-29 >> >> >> >> Getting ready to do my first race in my cal 2-29 this weekend on >> the lower Chesapeake bay. Not a novice racer, just never raced >> my 29. We will be sailing w 6 on board. I have an old kevlar >> 155 and an old dacron 130. The wind is supposed to be 15-20. >> What wind ranges do you racers carry the 155 and do you reef the >> main first before going to a smaller jib or to you change head >> sails early. My gut feeling is it will be 135 weather, if for no >> other reason, I doubt the old kevlar will last long in that kind >> of breeze :) >> >> ...any input? >> >> Thanks, >> East Coast Cal 29 sailor. >> 628 >> >> > > >

Jim, congrats on getting the chute up solo. Looks very good on the set. When you said old I thought it might be pre-tri-radial era. If you have the chute available and not a lot of movable ballast (called crew), the shorter sail set upwind makes a lot of sense. In non-spin situations (like Frostbite races), I sometimes slog more forward sail on the upwind to have a downwind advantage. We cannot change sails during Frostbite races, but we can reef/unreef main from the cockpit. Take Care Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Englert Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:54 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] wind range for 155 genoa on a cal 2-29 [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Jim Englert included below] Thanks Charlie, My biggest concern is I will have a tendency to go small early because I usually sail by myself. I tend to go to the 135 in anything over 12 going up wind. I usually set an Asym for going down wind when I do that. For PHRF, I will be racing spin. Spent the last couple of weeks getting all my rigging in order. I have another long day tomorrow and then I will be as done as I can be. A couple of weeks ago was the first time I had seen my Symmetrical Spinnaker. I bought it used a couple years ago for near nothing. the head had a hand written date of 1979 on it. It is the softest sail I have ever felt, but does not appear to be rotten and has no holes in it. Attached is a picture of the first time I put it up. Went out by myself in the evening in a decent breeze. Was a little nervous putting it up but decided to push through and do it. Once up, I was quite happy w my accomplishment and then though, oh Sh%$, I am not sure how I am going to get this thing down LOL. Hit 7.9 knots that day w it up. Let see, to get ready I have installed rope clutches on the mast for spin halyard and topping lift, had to cut the used spin pole I bought down to J, installed an adjustable backstay, added cabin top winches for the spin sheets and installed a new/used harken traveler for the main. Doesn't look like much in writing, but it was sure kept me busy. My boat will be clean and simple. I have a very good crew, but we have not sailed together on this boat. it's a small event so it will be a good one for us to cut our teeth. Main tactics...keep the pointy end up front, the boat under the mast, don't hit anyone and don't break anything. ...it's going to be fun. Hope we are able to make it go to it's rating. Have a good one, Jim On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com<mailto:hu… [at] bah.com>> wrote:

This is the range where our boats really shine. Don't give way th advantage yo havein stability too early. Depending on where you are, the chop can be significant. If you are that concerned about being overpowered, I like the #1 and reefed main approach. If he winddies off as it often does down here, it is easier to shake out the reef than it is to change sails. What race are you participating in? I will be out both days racing. Good luck and enjoy the fine weather. Steve Ritz Cal 2-30 Excelsior (3939) --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <husar_charlie@...> wrote: > > From another Bay sailor up north. There would be many opinions on this depending on the skipper and how he/she drives. Will you be using a chute at any point? Is your main reef readily shakable? Is there time for sail changes on the course. Obviously, bigger sails are better for off the wind if you are not using chute. > > Suggest that a #2 and full for flatter water, and #1 and a reef if choppy if the wind is 20ing. If you drive to windward with the inside telltales fluttering (crew will call it pinching â€" you will call it feathering), then you might go #1 and a full main. Kind of depends on whether you are dealing with the 15 end of the wind range or the 20. Also how long the windward legs are. > > Hope this helps - my 2 cents > Best of Luck > Charlie > Annapolis > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sailor7312@... > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:02 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] wind range for 155 genoa on a cal 2-29 > > > > Getting ready to do my first race in my cal 2-29 this weekend on the lower Chesapeake bay. Not a novice racer, just never raced my 29. We will be sailing w 6 on board. I have an old kevlar 155 and an old dacron 130. The wind is supposed to be 15-20. What wind ranges do you racers carry the 155 and do you reef the main first before going to a smaller jib or to you change head sails early. My gut feeling is it will be 135 weather, if for no other reason, I doubt the old kevlar will last long in that kind of breeze :) > > ...any input? > > Thanks, > East Coast Cal 29 sailor. > 628 >