Re: External chain plates?

Thank you everyone for your replies, advice, and explanations. I learned a lot about this boat from your responses, and now have to consider my own sail plan for when this boat is re-launched (still quite a ways off!). Thanks again! Brad Bates

just as a note, if you consider where the lead is when a 155% jib is set properly and were to draw a straight line for that lead to the bow where the jib is tacked, that line represents where the lead needs to be(athwartships) to maintain the same sheeting angle. As the jibs get smaller, the leads need to come inboard. In a blow, it's not uncommon to have a wider sheeting angle then in lighter winds, but being able to adjust the sheeting inboard can help increase power and wind range for the smaller sails. If I had too much money(no worries there), I would love to try a 100% deck sweeping blade with a track that goes port and startboard to adjust the sheeting angle and a barber hauler setup to adjust leech tension. When I look at the 135 I have, because of the way the sail has to be cut to work w the track on the rail, there isn't much sail that actually overlaps. My gut feeling is I think I could get the same or more upwind out of a 100% that fills the forward triangle, maybe even have a top full batten in the jib to accomplish this. I single hand a lot. A 100% jib would be a dream to tack. The 100% would be lousy offwind, but for cruising, an old melges 24 Asym spinnaker works really well flown inside the forestay triangle like a jib. It gybes well and provides a fair amount of power, requires no pole and can be launched right out of the hatch. A friend of mine gave me one a couple years ago. I love it. I wouldn't race with it, but for cruising it rocks. Good luck, Jim, Cal 29 sailor On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Brad Bates <br… [at] gmail.com>wrote: > ** > > > Thank you everyone for your replies, advice, and explanations. I learned > a lot about this boat from your responses, and now have to consider my own > sail plan for when this boat is re-launched (still quite a ways off!). > > Thanks again! > > Brad Bates > > >

Wilkie, Didn't you have a 90 or 100% blade for Mariposa? Any feed back? Mark A. Stahnke MAS Consulting (310) 832-5992 The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Englert To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: External chain plates? just as a note, if you consider where the lead is when a 155% jib is set properly and were to draw a straight line for that lead to the bow where the jib is tacked, that line represents where the lead needs to be(athwartships) to maintain the same sheeting angle. As the jibs get smaller, the leads need to come inboard. In a blow, it's not uncommon to have a wider sheeting angle then in lighter winds, but being able to adjust the sheeting inboard can help increase power and wind range for the smaller sails. If I had too much money(no worries there), I would love to try a 100% deck sweeping blade with a track that goes port and startboard to adjust the sheeting angle and a barber hauler setup to adjust leech tension. When I look at the 135 I have, because of the way the sail has to be cut to work w the track on the rail, there isn't much sail that actually overlaps. My gut feeling is I think I could get the same or more upwind out of a 100% that fills the forward triangle, maybe even have a top full batten in the jib to accomplish this. I single hand a lot. A 100% jib would be a dream to tack. The 100% would be lousy offwind, but for cruising, an old melges 24 Asym spinnaker works really well flown inside the forestay triangle like a jib. It gybes well and provides a fair amount of power, requires no pole and can be launched right out of the hatch. A friend of mine gave me one a couple years ago. I love it. I wouldn't race with it, but for cruising it rocks. Good luck, Jim, Cal 29 sailor On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Brad Bates <br… [at] gmail.com> wrote: Thank you everyone for your replies, advice, and explanations. I learned a lot about this boat from your responses, and now have to consider my own sail plan for when this boat is re-launched (still quite a ways off!). Thanks again! Brad Bates

I had a 105-110 blade made by Ullman, measured and cut to fit on a short track up against the cabin sides. I had to remove my forward lowers. It worked great for PHRF racing, but we rarely got to use it in this light air area. When the wind is really up, it comes straight out of the north and we are on more of a reach and would run a true #3 that sheets on the outer track. She pointed well with the blade, but not always fast, and then the wind would abate and we were screwed. I went back to sailing for pure boat speed on my own track and let the pointy boats meet me at the next mark, then I just dropped phrf and started sailing in our local "H" fleet. The local yacht club couldn't keep enough "like" boats on the water to make phrf work very well, so they came up with a method that adjusts your rating each week using a formula that accounts for average wind speed, crew performance and etc. This fleet goes out first and gets sent on a long reaching leg to stay out of the way of the sport boats and one designs (j-24s, melges, 105s, etc.) Much more fun for a widely mixed boat size and performance fleet. Wilkie On Sep 29, 2013, at 9:28 PM, "Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting)" <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: > > > Wilkie, > Didn't you have a 90 or 100% blade for Mariposa? Any feed back? > > Mark A. Stahnke > MAS Consulting > (310) 832-5992 > > The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Englert > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: External chain plates? > > > just as a note, if you consider where the lead is when a 155% jib is set properly and were to draw a straight line for that lead to the bow where the jib is tacked, that line represents where the lead needs to be(athwartships) to maintain the same sheeting angle. As the jibs get smaller, the leads need to come inboard. In a blow, it's not uncommon to have a wider sheeting angle then in lighter winds, but being able to adjust the sheeting inboard can help increase power and wind range for the smaller sails. > > If I had too much money(no worries there), I would love to try a 100% deck sweeping blade with a track that goes port and startboard to adjust the sheeting angle and a barber hauler setup to adjust leech tension. When I look at the 135 I have, because of the way the sail has to be cut to work w the track on the rail, there isn't much sail that actually overlaps. My gut feeling is I think I could get the same or more upwind out of a 100% that fills the forward triangle, maybe even have a top full batten in the jib to accomplish this. I single hand a lot. A 100% jib would be a dream to tack. > > The 100% would be lousy offwind, but for cruising, an old melges 24 Asym spinnaker works really well flown inside the forestay triangle like a jib. It gybes well and provides a fair amount of power, requires no pole and can be launched right out of the hatch. A friend of mine gave me one a couple years ago. I love it. I wouldn't race with it, but for cruising it rocks. > > > Good luck, > Jim, > Cal 29 sailor > > > On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Brad Bates <br… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thank you everyone for your replies, advice, and explanations. I learned a lot about this boat from your responses, and now have to consider my own sail plan for when this boat is re-launched (still quite a ways off!). > > Thanks again! > > Brad Bates > > > > > >

I also noticed I did better cracking off from tight close hauled and gaining boat speed and outrunning them. It is interesting to me how many boats sacrifice boat speed for pointing. I enjoy going a little bit farther and getting there the rest of the fleet. I consider it my version of mooning them! Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: dw… [at] me.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 09:40:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: External chain plates? I had a 105-110 blade made by Ullman, measured and cut to fit on a short track up against the cabin sides. I had to remove my forward lowers.It worked great for PHRF racing, but we rarely got to use it in this light air area. When the wind is really up, it comes straight out of the north and we are on more of a reach and would run a true #3 that sheets on the outer track. She pointed well with the blade, but not always fast, and then the wind would abate and we were screwed. I went back to sailing for pure boat speed on my own track and let the pointy boats meet me at the next mark, then I just dropped phrf and started sailing in our local "H" fleet. The local yacht club couldn't keep enough "like" boats on the water to make phrf work very well, so they came up with a method that adjusts your rating each week using a formula that accounts for average wind speed, crew performance and etc. This fleet goes out first and gets sent on a long reaching leg to stay out of the way of the sport boats and one designs (j-24s, melges, 105s, etc.) Much more fun for a widely mixed boat size and performance fleet. Wilkie On Sep 29, 2013, at 9:28 PM, "Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting)" <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: Wilkie,Didn't you have a 90 or 100% blade for Mariposa? Any feed back? Mark A. Stahnke MAS Consulting (310) 832-5992 The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. ----- Original Message -----From: Jim EnglertTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:31 AMSubject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: External chain plates? just as a note, if you consider where the lead is when a 155% jib is set properly and were to draw a straight line for that lead to the bow where the jib is tacked, that line represents where the lead needs to be(athwartships) to maintain the same sheeting angle. As the jibs get smaller, the leads need to come inboard. In a blow, it's not uncommon to have a wider sheeting angle then in lighter winds, but being able to adjust the sheeting inboard can help increase power and wind range for the smaller sails. If I had too much money(no worries there), I would love to try a 100% deck sweeping blade with a track that goes port and startboard to adjust the sheeting angle and a barber hauler setup to adjust leech tension. When I look at the 135 I have, because of the way the sail has to be cut to work w the track on the rail, there isn't much sail that actually overlaps. My gut feeling is I think I could get the same or more upwind out of a 100% that fills the forward triangle, maybe even have a top full batten in the jib to accomplish this. I single hand a lot. A 100% jib would be a dream to tack. The 100% would be lousy offwind, but for cruising, an old melges 24 Asym spinnaker works really well flown inside the forestay triangle like a jib. It gybes well and provides a fair amount of power, requires no pole and can be launched right out of the hatch. A friend of mine gave me one a couple years ago. I love it. I wouldn't race with it, but for cruising it rocks. Good luck, Jim, Cal 29 sailor On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Brad Bates <br… [at] gmail.com> wrote: Thank you everyone for your replies, advice, and explanations. I learned a lot about this boat from your responses, and now have to consider my own sail plan for when this boat is re-launched (still quite a ways off!). Thanks again! Brad Bates

Wilkie - I'd like to hear more about your club's modified PHRF system. We have a similar issue with 11 boats rated from 96 to 223. We are rated at 126, the same as a Tartan 10 and our keel weighs more than their entire boat LOL. In 10kts and under they walk away from us for the most part, especially if there is a lot of tacking involved. 10-13 we are pretty equal and above 13 we can win if we don't screw up. We have a mixed bag of racers and cruisers so if there is an equitable way to make the racing closer that you guys have come up with I'd like to hear about it. Thanks - Paul West Adventure Kwest Cal 39 From: David Owen <dw… [at] me.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:46 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: External chain plates? I had a 105-110 blade made by Ullman, measured and cut to fit on a short track up against the cabin sides. I had to remove my forward lowers. It worked great for PHRF racing, but we rarely got to use it in this light air area. When the wind is really up, it comes straight out of the north and we are on more of a reach and would run a true #3 that sheets on the outer track. She pointed well with the blade, but not always fast, and then the wind would abate and we were screwed. I went back to sailing for pure boat speed on my own track and let the pointy boats meet me at the next mark, then I just dropped phrf and started sailing in our local "H" fleet. The local yacht club couldn't keep enough "like" boats on the water to make phrf work very well, so they came up with a method that adjusts your rating each week using a formula that accounts for average wind speed, crew performance and e tc. This fleet goes out first and gets sent on a long reaching leg to stay out of the way of the sport boats and one designs (j-24s, melges, 105s, etc.) Much more fun for a widely mixed boat size and performance fleet. Wilkie On Sep 29, 2013, at 9:28 PM, "Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting)" <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: Wilkie, Didn't you have a 90 or 100% blade for Mariposa? Any feed back? Mark A. Stah nke MAS Consulting (310) 832-5992 The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. From: Jim Englert To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: External chain plates? just as a note, if you consider where the lead is when a 155% jib is set properly and were to draw a straight line for that lead to the bow where the jib is tacked, that line represents where the lead needs to be(athwartships) to maintain the same sheeting angle. As the jibs get smaller, the leads need to come inboard. In a blow, it's not uncommon to have a wider sheeting angle then in lighter winds, but being able to adjust the sheeting inboard can help increase power and wind range for the smaller sails. If I had too much money(no worries there), I would love to try a 100% deck sweeping blade with a track that goes port and startboard to adjust the sheeting angle and a barber hauler setup to adjust leech tension. When I look at the 135 I have, because of the way the sail has to be cut to work w the track on the rail, there isn't much sail that actually overlaps. My gut feeling is I think I could get the same or more upwind out of a 100% that fills the forward triangle, maybe even have a top full batten in the jib to accomplish this. I single hand a lot. A 100% jib would be a dream to tack. The 100% would be lousy offwind, but for cruising, an old melges 24 Asym spinnaker works really well flown inside the forestay triangle like a jib. It gybes well and provides a fair amount of power, requires no pole and can be launched right out of the hatch. A friend of mine gave me one a couple years ago. I love it. I wouldn't race with it, but for cruising it rocks. Good luck, Jim, Cal 29 sailor On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Brad Bates <br… [at] gmail.com> wrote: Thank you everyone for your replies, advice, and explanations. I learned a lot about this boat from your responses, and now have to consider my own sail plan for when this boat is re-launched (still quite a ways off!). Thanks again! Brad Bates

There is an optimum boat speed. Too fast and you should head up, too slow and you should fall off. Pick a speed and see how you do. Try a different one on the next race and if you do better, use it. We use 6.5 knots and won 80% of the races this season. I wrote a long series of articles on the subject but the process is pretty hard to do so we just use 6.5 knots. There is a page that is useful for picking different speeds for different wind conditions. You need to know optimum speed for high and low winds and the page calculates optimum speed for all other wind conditions. It matches a wide range of the polars I had within just a tenth of a knot or two. Allen On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:05 AM, r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: > ** > > > I also noticed I did better cracking off from tight close hauled and > gaining boat speed and outrunning them. It is interesting to me how many > boats sacrifice boat speed for pointing. I enjoy going a little bit > farther and getting there the rest of the fleet. I consider it my version > of mooning them! > Reggie > > ------------------------------ > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: dw… [at] me.com > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 09:40:34 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: External chain plates? > > > > > I had a 105-110 blade made by Ullman, measured and cut to fit on a short > track up against the cabin sides. I had to remove my forward lowers. > It worked great for PHRF racing, but we rarely got to use it in this light > air area. When the wind is really up, it comes straight out of the north > and we are on more of a reach and would run a true #3 that sheets on the > outer track. > > She pointed well with the blade, but not always fast, and then the wind > would abate and we were screwed. I went back to sailing for pure boat > speed on my own track and let the pointy boats meet me at the next mark, > then I just dropped phrf and started sailing in our local "H" fleet. The > local yacht club couldn't keep enough "like" boats on the water to make > phrf work very well, so they came up with a method that adjusts your rating > each week using a formula that accounts for average wind speed, crew > performance and etc. This fleet goes out first and gets sent on a long > reaching leg to stay out of the way of the sport boats and one designs > (j-24s, melges, 105s, etc.) Much more fun for a widely mixed boat size and > performance fleet. > > Wilkie > > > On Sep 29, 2013, at 9:28 PM, "Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting)" < > ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: > > > > Wilkie, > Didn't you have a 90 or 100% blade for Mariposa? Any feed back? > > Mark A. Stahnke > MAS Consulting > (310) 832-5992 > > The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the > electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is > confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the > transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or > dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not > the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby > notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us > immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jim Englert <sa… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:31 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: External chain plates? > > > just as a note, if you consider where the lead is when a 155% jib is set > properly and were to draw a straight line for that lead to the bow where > the jib is tacked, that line represents where the lead needs to > be(athwartships) to maintain the same sheeting angle. As the jibs get > smaller, the leads need to come inboard. In a blow, it's not uncommon to > have a wider sheeting angle then in lighter winds, but being able to adjust > the sheeting inboard can help increase power and wind range for the smaller > sails. > > If I had too much money(no worries there), I would love to try a 100% deck > sweeping blade with a track that goes port and startboard to adjust the > sheeting angle and a barber hauler setup to adjust leech tension. When I > look at the 135 I have, because of the way the sail has to be cut to work w > the track on the rail, there isn't much sail that actually overlaps. My > gut feeling is I think I could get the same or more upwind out of a 100% > that fills the forward triangle, maybe even have a top full batten in the > jib to accomplish this. I single hand a lot. A 100% jib would be a dream > to tack. > > The 100% would be lousy offwind, but for cruising, an old melges 24 Asym > spinnaker works really well flown inside the forestay triangle like a jib. > It gybes well and provides a fair amount of power, requires no pole and can > be launched right out of the hatch. A friend of mine gave me one a couple > years ago. I love it. I wouldn't race with it, but for cruising it rocks. > > > Good luck, > Jim, > Cal 29 sailor > > > On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Brad Bates <br… [at] gmail.com> > wrote: > > ** > > > Thank you everyone for your replies, advice, and explanations. I learned > a lot about this boat from your responses, and now have to consider my own > sail plan for when this boat is re-launched (still quite a ways off!). > > Thanks again! > > Brad Bates > > > > > > > > >

Some people say using time on time instead of time on distance helps a bit. Not sure it is enough in the cases you are talking about but it might be worth checking out on some past races. Allen On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 10:11 AM, <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: > ** > > > Wilkie - > > I'd like to hear more about your club's modified PHRF system. We have a > similar issue with 11 boats rated from 96 to 223. We are rated at 126, the > same as a Tartan 10 and our keel weighs more than their entire boat LOL. > In 10kts and under they walk away from us for the most part, especially if > there is a lot of tacking involved. 10-13 we are pretty equal and above 13 > we can win if we don't screw up. > > We have a mixed bag of racers and cruisers so if there is an equitable way > to make the racing closer that you guys have come up with I'd like to hear > about it. > > Thanks - > > Paul West > Adventure Kwest > Cal 39 > -----Original Message----- > From: David Owen <dw… [at] me.com> > To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:46 pm > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: External chain plates? > > > > > I had a 105-110 blade made by Ullman, measured and cut to fit on a short > track up against the cabin sides. I had to remove my forward lowers. > It worked great for PHRF racing, but we rarely got to use it in this light > air area. When the wind is really up, it comes straight out of the north > and we are on more of a reach and would run a true #3 that sheets on the > outer track. > > She pointed well with the blade, but not always fast, and then the wind > would abate and we were screwed. I went back to sailing for pure boat > speed on my own track and let the pointy boats meet me at the next mark, > then I just dropped phrf and started sailing in our local "H" fleet. The > local yacht club couldn't keep enough "like" boats on the water to make > phrf work very well, so they came up with a method that adjusts your rating > each week using a formula that accounts for average wind speed, crew > performance and e tc. This fleet goes out first and gets sent on a long > reaching leg to stay out of the way of the sport boats and one designs > (j-24s, melges, 105s, etc.) Much more fun for a widely mixed boat size and > performance fleet. > > Wilkie > > > On Sep 29, 2013, at 9:28 PM, "Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting)" < > ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: > > > > Wilkie, > Didn't you have a 90 or 100% blade for Mariposa? Any feed back? > > Mark A. Stah nke > MAS Consulting > (310) 832-5992 > > The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the > electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is > confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the > transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or > dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not > the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby > notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us > immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jim Englert <sa… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:31 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: External chain plates? > > > just as a note, if you consider where the lead is when a 155% jib is > set properly and were to draw a straight line for that lead to the bow > where the jib is tacked, that line represents where the lead needs to > be(athwartships) to maintain the same sheeting angle. As the jibs get > smaller, the leads need to come inboard. In a blow, it's not uncommon to > have a wider sheeting angle then in lighter winds, but being able to adjust > the sheeting inboard can help increase power and wind range for the smaller > sails. > > If I had too much money(no worries there), I would love to try a 100% > deck sweeping blade with a track that goes port and startboard to adjust > the sheeting angle and a barber hauler setup to adjust leech tension. When > I look at the 135 I have, because of the way the sail has to be cut to work > w the track on the rail, there isn't much sail that actually overlaps. My > gut feeling is I think I could get the same or more upwind out of a 100% > that fills the forward triangle, maybe even have a top full batten in the > jib to accomplish this. I single hand a lot. A 100% jib would be a dream > to tack. > > The 100% would be lousy offwind, but for cruising, an old melges 24 Asym > spinnaker works really well flown inside the forestay triangle like a jib. > It gybes well and provides a fair amount of power, requires no pole and can > be launched right out of the hatch. A friend of mine gave me one a couple > years ago. I love it. I wouldn't race with it, but for cruising it rocks. > > > Good luck, > Jim, > Cal 29 sailor > > > On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Brad Bates <br… [at] gmail.com> > wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Thank you everyone for your replies, advice, and explanations. I learned >> a lot about this boat from your responses, and now have to consider my own >> sail plan for when this boat is re-launched (still quite a ways off!). >> >> Thanks again! >> >> Brad Bates >> >> > > > > > >

I will see if our race chairman is willing to share particulars. It all seems like magic to me. Get back to you soon….. Wilkie On Sep 30, 2013, at 10:11 AM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > > Wilkie - > > I'd like to hear more about your club's modified PHRF system. We have a similar issue with 11 boats rated from 96 to 223. We are rated at 126, the same as a Tartan 10 and our keel weighs more than their entire boat LOL. In 10kts and under they walk away from us for the most part, especially if there is a lot of tacking involved. 10-13 we are pretty equal and above 13 we can win if we don't screw up. > > We have a mixed bag of racers and cruisers so if there is an equitable way to make the racing closer that you guys have come up with I'd like to hear about it. > > Thanks - > > Paul West > Adventure Kwest > Cal 39 > -----Original Message----- > From: David Owen <dw… [at] me.com> > To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2013 12:46 pm > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: External chain plates? > > > > I had a 105-110 blade made by Ullman, measured and cut to fit on a short track up against the cabin sides. I had to remove my forward lowers. > It worked great for PHRF racing, but we rarely got to use it in this light air area. When the wind is really up, it comes straight out of the north and we are on more of a reach and would run a true #3 that sheets on the outer track. > > She pointed well with the blade, but not always fast, and then the wind would abate and we were screwed. I went back to sailing for pure boat speed on my own track and let the pointy boats meet me at the next mark, then I just dropped phrf and started sailing in our local "H" fleet. The local yacht club couldn't keep enough "like" boats on the water to make phrf work very well, so they came up with a method that adjusts your rating each week using a formula that accounts for average wind speed, crew performance and e tc. This fleet goes out first and gets sent on a long reaching leg to stay out of the way of the sport boats and one designs (j-24s, melges, 105s, etc.) Much more fun for a widely mixed boat size and performance fleet. > > Wilkie > > > On Sep 29, 2013, at 9:28 PM, "Mark Alan Stahnke (MAS Consulting)" <ma… [at] cox.net> wrote: > >> >> >> Wilkie, >> Didn't you have a 90 or 100% blade for Mariposa? Any feed back? >> >> Mark A. Stah nke >> MAS Consulting >> (310) 832-5992 >> >> The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jim Englert >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:31 AM >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: External chain plates? >> >> >> just as a note, if you consider where the lead is when a 155% jib is set properly and were to draw a straight line for that lead to the bow where the jib is tacked, that line represents where the lead needs to be(athwartships) to maintain the same sheeting angle. As the jibs get smaller, the leads need to come inboard. In a blow, it's not uncommon to have a wider sheeting angle then in lighter winds, but being able to adjust the sheeting inboard can help increase power and wind range for the smaller sails. >> >> If I had too much money(no worries there), I would love to try a 100% deck sweeping blade with a track that goes port and startboard to adjust the sheeting angle and a barber hauler setup to adjust leech tension. When I look at the 135 I have, because of the way the sail has to be cut to work w the track on the rail, there isn't much sail that actually overlaps. My gut feeling is I think I could get the same or more upwind out of a 100% that fills the forward triangle, maybe even have a top full batten in the jib to accomplish this. I single hand a lot. A 100% jib would be a dream to tack. >> >> The 100% would be lousy offwind, but for cruising, an old melges 24 Asym spinnaker works really well flown inside the forestay triangle like a jib. It gybes well and provides a fair amount of power, requires no pole and can be launched right out of the hatch. A friend of mine gave me one a couple years ago. I love it. I wouldn't race with it, but for cruising it rocks. >> >> >> Good luck, >> Jim, >> Cal 29 sailor >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Brad Bates <br… [at] gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Thank you everyone for your replies, advice, and explanations. I learned a lot about this boat from your responses, and now have to consider my own sail plan for when this boat is re-launched (still quite a ways off!). >> >> Thanks again! >> >> Brad Bates >> >> >> >> >> > > > >