RE: [Cal_Boats] Done - Tarps

Curiosity item. I've heard stories. Can a tarp or shrink wrap that holds moisture against the hull cause blistering on Imron or Awlgrip paint jobs? Many Thanks Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:55 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Done Done it is. Delivered the CAL to the yard today, perfect weather, sunny, 70 and flat water. Left the harbor at 10:30 and docked at 3. Took an hour to lock through the O'brien Lock, a barge was going the other way and they get priority. They also take longer to lock through than small boats. We dodged 2 big ships, outbound and one small barge, but a nice trip, good way to end the season. As we left the yard guys were power washing the bottom. I may go down Saturday and take some stuff off, put some anti-freeze in the head and holding tank. I have some projects that may or may not get done, depends how fast it gets cold here. I think I will have them shrink-wrap it this year, I am tired of fighting with tarps. David Dobbs, CAL 29 411

I don't think so. It takes water pressure. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>; To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Done - Tarps Sent: Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:06:54 AM Curiosity item. I’ve heard stories. Can a tarp or shrink wrap that holds moisture against the hull cause blistering on Imron or Awlgrip paint jobs? Many Thanks Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:55 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Done Done it is. Delivered the CAL to the yard today, perfect weather, sunny, 70 and flat water. Left the harbor at 10:30 and docked at 3. Took an hour to lock through the O'brien Lock, a barge was going the other way and they get priority. They also take longer to lock through than small boats. We dodged 2 big ships, outbound and one small barge, but a nice trip, good way to end the season. As we left the yard guys were power washing the bottom. I may go down Saturday and take some stuff off, put some anti-freeze in the head and holding tank. I have some projects that may or may not get done, depends how fast it gets cold here. I think I will have them shrink-wrap it this year, I am tired of fighting with tarps. David Dobbs, CAL 29 411

Charlie, I think the answer is yes, Awlgrip and Imron can blistor if wet for very long periods of time. I have seen it in dinghies where a tarp fills w water and traps constant moister between the tarp and seats or deck. I have seen in on painted decks of big boats where water gets trapped and sits. I have also heard trailor bunks that are carpeted and hold moister for long periods of time can cause blistering w paints. That said, I painted my 505 deck, seat tanks and floor w awlcraft 2000 which is similar to Imron. On a windy event, there are areas that are underwater all day and wet all weekend. I have never had a problem. if I had a boat w a painted deck, I would probably do a boom tent. It would protect it and let it breath. Jim cal 29 sailor On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) < hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > ** > > > Curiosity item. I’ve heard stories. Can a tarp or shrink wrap that > holds moisture against the hull cause blistering on Imron or Awlgrip paint > jobs?**** > > ** ** > > Many Thanks**** > > Charlie**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *david dobbs > *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:55 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [External] [Cal_Boats] Done**** > > ** ** > > > > > **** > > Done it is. Delivered the CAL to the yard today, perfect weather, sunny, > 70 and flat water. Left the harbor at 10:30 and docked at 3. Took an hour > to lock through the O'brien Lock, a barge was going the other way and they > get priority. They also take longer to lock through than small boats. We > dodged 2 big ships, outbound and one small barge, but a nice trip, good way > to end the season. As we left the yard guys were power washing the > bottom. I may go down Saturday and take some stuff off, put some > anti-freeze in the head and holding tank. I have some projects that may or > may not get done, depends how fast it gets cold here. I think I will have > them shrink-wrap it this year, I am tired of fighting with tarps. > David Dobbs, CAL 29 411**** > > ** ** > > > > > **** > > **** > > >

Actually, Awl Grip is susceptible to constant immersion, or water contact. I remember reading of a boat that had blisters on the port topsides from a long reach to Hawaii - that portion of boat constantly under water from heeling. My beautifully awl-gripped mast was trashed because I left it in the yard covered in bubble-wrap for too long. Water condensed inside the plastic and bubbled the paint. I had to sand and re-paint it. Wilkie On Oct 10, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I don't think so. It takes water pressure. > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > > > From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com>; > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Done - Tarps > Sent: Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:06:54 AM > > > Curiosity item. I’ve heard stories. Can a tarp or shrink wrap that holds moisture against the hull cause blistering on Imron or Awlgrip paint jobs? > > > Many Thanks > > Charlie > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:55 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Done > > > > > > > Done it is. Delivered the CAL to the yard today, perfect weather, sunny, 70 and flat water. Left the harbor at 10:30 and docked at 3. Took an hour to lock through the O'brien Lock, a barge was going the other way and they get priority. They also take longer to lock through than small boats. We dodged 2 big ships, outbound and one small barge, but a nice trip, good way to end the season. As we left the yard guys were power washing the bottom. I may go down Saturday and take some stuff off, put some anti-freeze in the head and holding tank. I have some projects that may or may not get done, depends how fast it gets cold here. I think I will have them shrink-wrap it this year, I am tired of fighting with tarps. > David Dobbs, CAL 29 411 > > > > > > > > > >

Thanks, Folks for your responses. Wilkie, I think that story is what started me thinking. If I recall (harder all the time) it came from Captain dEmO (Timm Lessley) lo these many years ago. Cheers Charlie Annapolis The Land of CAL 25s (and the occasional CAL 40, but very few CAL 20s) From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Owen Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:37 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Done - Tarps Actually, Awl Grip is susceptible to constant immersion, or water contact. I remember reading of a boat that had blisters on the port topsides from a long reach to Hawaii - that portion of boat constantly under water from heeling. My beautifully awl-gripped mast was trashed because I left it in the yard covered in bubble-wrap for too long. Water condensed inside the plastic and bubbled the paint. I had to sand and re-paint it. Wilkie On Oct 10, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:md… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: I don't think so. It takes water pressure. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com<mailto:hu… [at] bah.com>>; To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>>; Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Done - Tarps Sent: Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:06:54 AM Curiosity item. I've heard stories. Can a tarp or shrink wrap that holds moisture against the hull cause blistering on Imron or Awlgrip paint jobs? Many Thanks Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<http://yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:55 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Done Done it is. Delivered the CAL to the yard today, perfect weather, sunny, 70 and flat water. Left the harbor at 10:30 and docked at 3. Took an hour to lock through the O'brien Lock, a barge was going the other way and they get priority. They also take longer to lock through than small boats. We dodged 2 big ships, outbound and one small barge, but a nice trip, good way to end the season. As we left the yard guys were power washing the bottom. I may go down Saturday and take some stuff off, put some anti-freeze in the head and holding tank. I have some projects that may or may not get done, depends how fast it gets cold here. I think I will have them shrink-wrap it this year, I am tired of fighting with tarps. David Dobbs, CAL 29 411

On 10/11/2013 12:46 AM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > > Thanks, Folks for your responses. Wilkie, I think that story is what > started me thinking. If I recall (harder all the time) it came from > Captain dEmO (Timm Lessley) lo these many years ago. > I've heard the polyurethane paints are susceptible to damage from extended moisture contact. Many years ago (1983??) my other boat's hull was professionally painted with Imron. It got a lot of little tiny pimples where, I think, the winter plastic cover trapped moisture. The boat lives indoors in the winter but there are sometimes condensation issues in spring and fall when warm, moist air hits cold boats. I no longer let the Visqueen cover lie against the topsides (although the paint finish is well past the end of its useful life anyway). It's possible that those arose from other causes. And on the other hand, we painted the deck and cabin trunk ourselves with brush and roll two-part polyurethane a LONG time ago, when they were first available as consumer DIY products ((Interlux, I think). That was about 1975 or so and it has been quite durable. The one place it has failed is a very small area at deck scuppers where water may puddle if the drain is blocked. But generally it has adhered tenaciously. I wouldn't use two-part polyurethane on boottop stripes that are likely to be wet all the time, but I've not had any extreme problem with moisture-related failure. Chris Campbell > > Cheers > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > The Land of CAL 25s (and the occasional CAL 40, but very few CAL 20s) > > *From:*Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *David Owen > *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2013 12:37 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Done - Tarps > > Actually, Awl Grip is susceptible to constant immersion, or water > contact. I remember reading of a boat that had blisters on the port > topsides from a long reach to Hawaii - that portion of boat constantly > under water from heeling. My beautifully awl-gripped mast was trashed > because I left it in the yard covered in bubble-wrap for too long. > Water condensed inside the plastic and bubbled the paint. I had to > sand and re-paint it. > > Wilkie > > On Oct 10, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Michael D <md… [at] yahoo.com > <mailto:md… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: > > I don't think so. It takes water pressure. > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com > <mailto:hu… [at] bah.com>>; > *To:*Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com><Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>>; > *Subject:*RE: [Cal_Boats] Done - Tarps > *Sent:*Fri, Oct 11, 2013 1:06:54 AM > > Curiosity item. I've heard stories. Can a tarp or shrink wrap that > holds moisture against the hull cause blistering on Imron or Awlgrip > paint jobs? > > Many Thanks > > Charlie > > *From:*Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>[mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <http://yahoogroups.com>]*On Behalf Of*david dobbs > *Sent:*Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:55 PM > *To:*Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Subject:*[External] [Cal_Boats] Done > > > > Done it is. Delivered the CAL to the yard today, perfect weather, > sunny, 70 and flat water. Left the harbor at 10:30 and docked at 3. > Took an hour to lock through the O'brien Lock, a barge was going the > other way and they get priority. They also take longer to lock > through than small boats. We dodged 2 big ships, outbound and one > small barge, but a nice trip, good way to end the season. As we left > the yard guys were power washing the bottom. I may go down Saturday > and take some stuff off, put some anti-freeze in the head and holding > tank. I have some projects that may or may not get done, depends how > fast it gets cold here. I think I will have them shrink-wrap it this > year, I am tired of fighting with tarps. > David Dobbs, CAL 29 411 > > > > > > > > >