Re: [Cal_Boats] Digest Number 3781

Do you know somebody doing the same work in miami? My diesel sat for 3 years with the tank full and I want to start the old perkins On Oct 18, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote: > Cal Sail List Group > 15 New Messages Digest #3781 > 1a Re: new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank by jeep.jallade > 1b Re: new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank by sailcraft30 > 2a All Is Lost - Opens Soon by "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" calannapolis > 2b Re: All Is Lost - Opens Soon by "Greg vanDalen" norcalrvf > 3a Interested in Cal27s by "Doug Smith" rifleman_maynard > 3b Re: Interested in Cal27s by "John b" jecyob > 4 Stuffing Box &quot;Stick&quot; by cal29brad > 5a Stuck Valve by "Allen Edwards" xhpspd > 5b Re: Stuck Valve by "david dobbs" tmft567 > 5c Re: Stuck Valve by "david dobbs" tmft567 > 5d Re: Stuck Valve by "Helen Horn" he… [at] sbcglobal.net > 5e Re: Stuck Valve by "Allen Edwards" xhpspd > 5f Re: Stuck Valve by "Helen Horn" he… [at] sbcglobal.net > 5g Re: Stuck Valve by "Gerald Sobel" sobel_solar > 5h Re: Stuck Valve by "Allen Edwards" xhpspd > Messages > 1a Re: new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank > Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:17 am (PDT) . Posted by: jeep.jallade It a Cal 33-2 1987. Holds 25 gals, of fuel. I will plan to call in the spring. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: pw… [at] aol.com > To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:04:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank > > > > Ahhh okay I've done a couple boats o.er there, both powerboats though. > > If you are not going to use it all winter then fill it up and let it sit all winter to help soften up the crap on the walls, That way when I come in in the spring, it'll all be looser and ready to come out. About a month before you want me to come out, put an injector cleaner in the tank. I like Sea Foam found at Napa and Walmart. Don't put it in while winterizing because I don't want to take the chance of everything falling off the walls and then settling hard on the bottom again before I get there. > > What model is your boat again? > > Thanks - > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeepjallade <je… [at] comcast.net> > To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:46 pm > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank > > > > Thanks for all the info. Paul I keep my boat at the Miles River YC in St. Michaels MD. Is it better to do it in the spring as apposed to the fall during winterization. Plan to keep the boat in the water this winter. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: pw… [at] aol.com > To: "Cal Boats" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:20:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank > > > > If you are on the Chesapeake call me as that is what I do. Runs in the $275 to $375 area depending on how far away you are and how dirty the tank is. This is the machine I use and I go in through the sending unit generally http://catalog.rcitechnologies.com/item/portable-tank-cleaning-unit/-tank-cleaning-unit/ptcu-2 ? > > Good luck! > > Paul West > Dockside Mobile Marine Service and Fuel Cleaning > 443-614-4070 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Helen Horn < he… [at] sbcglobal.net > > To: Cal_Boats < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 3:58 pm > Subject: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank > > > > How much fuel is in your tank..if it's a large amount, there are mobile fuel polishing businesses around anywhere there are fishing communities. If it's a small amount, pump it into a yellow (diesel container) and properly dispose of it. Your county dump may know the facility for that. Then if you have a cleanout fitting (you can have them on diesel but not gasoline tanks) you can inspect and finish cleaning it out. If you search google you can probably find exact how-to's. Plus I've read articles on how to install cleanout fittings, so I'm sure you'll find that also. Helen > > Ahhh okay I've done a couple boats o.er there, both powerboats though. > > If you are not going to use it all winter then fill it up and let it sit all winter to help soften up the crap on the walls, That way when I come in in the spring, it'll all be looser and ready to come out. About a month before you want me to come out, put an injector cleaner in the tank. I like Sea Foam found at Napa and Walmart. Don't put it in while winterizing because I don't want to take the chance of everything falling off the walls and then settling hard on the bottom again before I get there. > > What model is your boat again? > > Thanks - > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeepjallade <je… [at] comcast.net> > To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:46 pm > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank > > > > Thanks for all the info. Paul I keep my boat at the Miles River YC in St. Michaels MD. Is it better to do it in the spring as apposed to the fall during winterization. Plan to keep the boat in the water this winter. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: pw… [at] aol.com > To: "Cal Boats" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:20:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank > > > > If you are on the Chesapeake call me as that is what I do. Runs in the $275 to $375 area depending on how far away you are and how dirty the tank is. This is the machine I use and I go in through the sending unit generally http://catalog.rcitechnologies.com/item/portable-tank-cleaning-unit/-tank-cleaning-unit/ptcu-2 ? > > Good luck! > > Paul West > Dockside Mobile Marine Service and Fuel Cleaning > 443-614-4070 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Helen Horn < he… [at] sbcglobal.net > > To: Cal_Boats < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 3:58 pm > Subject: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank > > > > How much fuel is in your tank..if it's a large amount, there are mobile fuel polishing businesses around anywhere there are fishing communities. If it's a small amount, pump it into a yellow (diesel container) and properly dispose of it. Your county dump may know the facility for that. Then if you have a cleanout fitting (you can have them on diesel but not gasoline tanks) you can inspect and finish cleaning it out. If you search google you can probably find exact how-to's. Plus I've read articles on how to install cleanout fittings, so I'm sure you'll find that also. Helen > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (13) . Top ^ > 1b Re: new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank > Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:06 am (PDT) . Posted by: sailcraft30 > Okay, that works. > > By the way, a buddy of mine used to own one they are really nice boats. The name isn't Serendipity is it? > > Thanks - > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeepjallade <je… [at] comcast.net> > To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 7:17 am > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank > > It a Cal 33-2 1987. Holds 25 gals, of fuel. I will plan to call in the spring. > > From: pw… [at] aol.com > To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:04:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank > > Ahhh okay I've done a couple boats o.er there, both powerboats though. > > If you are not going to use it all winter then fill it up and let it sit all winter to help soften up the crap on the walls, That way when I come in in the spring, it'll all be looser and ready to come out. About a month before you want me to come out, put an injector cleaner in the tank. I like Sea Foam found at Napa and Walmart. Don't put it in while winterizing because I don't want to take the chance of everything falling off the walls and then settling hard on the bottom again before I get there. > > What model is your boat again? > > Thanks - > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeepjallade <je… [at] comcast.net> > To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:46 pm > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank > > Thanks for all the info. Paul I keep my boat at the Miles River YC in St. Michaels MD. Is it better to do it in the spring as apposed to the fall during winterization. Plan to keep the boat in the water this winter. > > From: pw… [at] aol.com > To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:20:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank > > If you are on the Chesapeake call me as that is what I do. Runs in the $275 to $375 area depending on how far away you are and how dirty the tank is. This is the machine I use and I go in through the sending unit generally http://catalog.rcitechnologies.com/item/portable-tank-cleaning-unit/-tank-cleaning-unit/ptcu-2? > > Good luck! > > Paul West > Dockside Mobile Marine Service and Fuel Cleaning > 443-614-4070 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> > To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 3:58 pm > Subject: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank > > How much fuel is in your tank..if it's a large amount, there are mobile fuel polishing businesses around anywhere there are fishing communities. If it's a small amount, pump it into a yellow (diesel container) and properly dispose of it. Your county dump may know the facility for that. Then if you have a cleanout fitting (you can have them on diesel but not gasoline tanks) you can inspect and finish cleaning it out. If you search google you can probably find exact how-to's. Plus I've read articles on how to install cleanout fittings, so I'm sure you'll find that also. Helen > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (13) . Top ^ > 2a All Is Lost - Opens Soon > Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:27 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" calannapolis Howdy. As we all know, every boat is rigged differently, especially the running rigging. Less known (except to our list), there were 3 CAL 39s used (and destroyed) in making this film. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to look for differences in the boats during the movie to see if the movie makers were careful in their details. > > This is kind of like the movie scenes where travel is shown as an airliner taking off and then landing. The protagonist takes off in one type of plane and lands in a different model. > > Cheers > > Charlie > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ > 2b Re: All Is Lost - Opens Soon > Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:19 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Greg vanDalen" norcalrvf If were weren't going to Yosemite this weekend we'd be all over it. Hopefully the next weekend we can scope it out. > > Greg > > ________________________________ > From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> > To: "CAL Yahoo (Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com)" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:27 AM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] All Is Lost - Opens Soon > > > Howdy. As we all know, every boat is rigged differently, especially the running rigging. Less known (except to our list), there were 3 CAL 39s used (and destroyed) in making this film. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to look for differences in the boats during the movie to see if the movie makers were careful in their details. > This is kind of like the movie scenes where travel is shown as an airliner taking off and then landing. The protagonist takes off in one type of plane and lands in a different model. > Cheers > Charlie > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ > 3a Interested in Cal27s > Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Doug Smith" rifleman_maynard May look at one shortly. > > > I will find a way, or I will make one. > > Hannibal son of Hamilcar > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ > 3b Re: Interested in Cal27s > Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:10 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "John b" jecyob Which one, there are 4 different models > > John B cal 227 #650 > On Oct 17, 2013 6:34 PM, "Doug Smith" <ri… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > May look at one shortly. > > > > I will find a way, or I will make one. > > > > Hannibal son of Hamilcar > > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ > 4 Stuffing Box &quot;Stick&quot; > Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by: cal29brad Hello Again to the Group, > > > My Cal 29 has never had an inboard, and there is a stick of some sort that protrudes from the stuffing box area into the engine compartment. > > > I have no idea what purpose this stick serves, whether or not it is necessary to leave it in place, of if removing it will cause some unforeseen problem for the hull. > > > Nonetheless, I would like to either remove it or at least cut it off to the point where it enters the hull on the inside of the boat. Since our Cal is on the hard, it seems reasonable that I could remove it completely and then glass in any holes or weak spots around where it is mounted. > > > Note that I plan to never install an inboard engine and instead intend to make the boat all DC electric with, at most, a small generator aboard to recharge our batteries. > > > Any thoughts, suggestions or advice on this "stick" and its removal will be appreciated. I can post photographs of this thing if that would be helpful to anyone. > > > Thank you, > > > Brad Bates > Play Mate -- Cal 29 > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ > 5a Stuck Valve > Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:55 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Allen Edwards" xhpspd I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to > replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine > back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. > Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon > further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed > that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine > is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. > > The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by > the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that > case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the > guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused > the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was > not new and had not been surfaced. > > I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be > to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was > wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. > > Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take > the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for > guidance. > > Thanks. > > Allen > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ > 5b Re: Stuck Valve > Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:11 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "david dobbs" tmft567 Allen, > I know where there is a rebuilt Grey Marine engine. My boatyard, Rentner Marine in Chicago. Been in business since 1942, family owned and operated. They know their stuff, and don't suffer fools. As an owner I had to earn their respect as someone who knew about boats. It took a few years. > David Dobbs CAL 29 411 > > On Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:55 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. > > The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. > > I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. > > Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. > > Thanks. > > Allen > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ > 5c Re: Stuck Valve > Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "david dobbs" tmft567 Allen, > I know where there is a rebuilt Grey Marine engine. My boatyard, Rentner Marine in Chicago. Been in business since 1942, family owned and operated. They know their stuff, and don't suffer fools. As an owner I had to earn their respect as someone who knew about boats. It took a few years. > David Dobbs CAL 29 411 > > On Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:55 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. > > The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. > > I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. > > Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. > > Thanks. > > Allen > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ > 5d Re: Stuck Valve > Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:27 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Helen Horn" he… [at] sbcglobal.net Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen > > ________________________________ > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > > I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. > > The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. > > I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. > > Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. > > Thanks. > > Allen > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ > 5e Re: Stuck Valve > Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Allen Edwards" xhpspd Hi Helen, > > I have it on good authority that they will say it is not their fault no > matter what. Their warrantee is for one season and as it ran through two > seasons, I am screwed. Let's see. $5000 divided by 50 hours is... the > going wage rate. > > Maybe I need to get one of those gold cards. Does your boat need to be > running to get one? :-) > > I think there was someone on this list who was considering sending their > engine to this guy and I did my best to let him know about my experience > but he sent the engine to this guy anyway. Next time I won't be so subtle > about my feelings. > > My opinion now on engine rebuilds is go to someone local that you can go > back to if something needs looking after. This rebuild has been much less > reliable than the 50 year old warn out engine. > > Allen > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any > > more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that > > option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM > > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > > > > I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to > > replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine > > back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. > > Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon > > further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed > > that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine > > is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. > > > > The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt > > by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that > > case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the > > guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused > > the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was > > not new and had not been surfaced. > > > > I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to > > be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there > > was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. > > > > Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take > > the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for > > guidance. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Allen > > > > > > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ > 5f Re: Stuck Valve > Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:06 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Helen Horn" he… [at] sbcglobal.net I believe that, I forgot that 50 hours is a long time on a sailboat. about that card, it's good for a boat to a service/haulout,from your dock even. it's also good (the gold level) for a boat you're on even if it's not yours and vessel assist is needed. You would just call v.a. and set up a time and they'll get you there. going to Berkeley? You could have the engine delivered before you arrive. We'll be hauling within this next year again..don&#39;t like our bottom paint, will be changing. We've been beercan racing our 36(Caliente) #60 in the southbay, and plan to do a race this Saturday, most likely in light airs. We're also planning a sail upgrade, those 45 year old original sails only work when they're dripping wet. we're still running our Atomic 4, but have to be careful where we buy the fuel.Also we beefed up our bilge last haulout, at Cree's suggestion..want to see if it made a difference visually with the latest keelwag conversation. I also plan to > learn your mastclimbing system. I hope you won't miss any races because of this. Helen > > > ________________________________ > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > > Hi Helen, > > I have it on good authority that they will say it is not their fault no matter what. Their warrantee is for one season and as it ran through two seasons, I am screwed. Let's see. $5000 divided by 50 hours is... the going wage rate. > > Maybe I need to get one of those gold cards. Does your boat need to be running to get one? :-) > > I think there was someone on this list who was considering sending their engine to this guy and I did my best to let him know about my experience but he sent the engine to this guy anyway. Next time I won't be so subtle about my feelings. > > My opinion now on engine rebuilds is go to someone local that you can go back to if something needs looking after. This rebuild has been much less reliable than the 50 year old warn out engine. > > Allen > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > >Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > >To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM > >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > > > > > > > >I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. > > > > > >The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. > > > > > >I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. > > > > > >Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > >Allen > > > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ > 5g Re: Stuck Valve > Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Gerald Sobel" sobel_solar We towed Per Curtis' Cal 31 all the way back from Catalina's Howland Landing, to Marina de Rey, using an inflatable with outboard, tied to its beam with spring lines fore and aft. I worked great. No problems. They were making 4.5 knots the whole way. > Jerry > > Also, had a wiped out cam on the intake valve of one cylinder on my 318 dodge. I shorted out the electrode so it wouldn't spark, and drove on seven cylinders for months, till the truck was junked for not being able to pass smog test. > > On Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:06 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > >I believe that, I forgot that 50 hours is a long time on a sailboat. about that card, it's good for a boat to a service/haulout,from your dock even. it's also good (the gold level) for a boat you're on even if it's not yours and vessel assist is needed. You would just call v.a. and set up a time and they'll get you there. going to Berkeley? You could have the engine delivered before you arrive. We'll be hauling within this next year again..don&#39;t like our bottom paint, will be changing. We've been beercan racing our 36(Caliente) #60 in the southbay, and plan to do a race this Saturday, most likely in light airs. We're also planning a sail upgrade, those 45 year old original sails only work when they're dripping wet. we're still running our Atomic 4, but have to be careful where we buy the fuel.Also we beefed up our bilge last haulout, at Cree's suggestion..want to see if it made a difference visually with the latest keelwag conversation. I also plan to > learn your mastclimbing system. I hope you won't miss any races because of this. Helen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > >To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:30 PM > >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > > > > > > > >Hi Helen, > > > > > >I have it on good authority that they will say it is not their fault no matter what. Their warrantee is for one season and as it ran through two seasons, I am screwed. Let's see. $5000 divided by 50 hours is... the going wage rate. > > > > > >Maybe I need to get one of those gold cards. Does your boat need to be running to get one? :-) > > > > > >I think there was someone on this list who was considering sending their engine to this guy and I did my best to let him know about my experience but he sent the engine to this guy anyway. Next time I won't be so subtle about my feelings. > > > > > >My opinion now on engine rebuilds is go to someone local that you can go back to if something needs looking after. This rebuild has been much less reliable than the 50 year old warn out engine. > > > > > >Allen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > > >> > >>Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________ > >> From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > >>To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > >>Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM > >>Subject: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. > >> > >> > >>The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. > >> > >> > >>I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. > >> > >> > >>Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. > >> > >> > >>Thanks. > >> > >> > >>Allen > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ > 5h Re: Stuck Valve > Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:32 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Allen Edwards" xhpspd I once race a guy with a spark plug wire off. My car had so much power I > didn't even notice it and didn't even have to press all the way on the gas > to beat him. It was a memorable night. 50 people standing on the street > corner at midnight watching us go by at 110MPH as a LA Police car casually > drove by after watching the entire thing from the cross street. He just > drove on. No yachting content, sorry. Just had to recall the incident. > > Allen > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > We towed Per Curtis' Cal 31 all the way back from Catalina's Howland > > Landing, to Marina de Rey, using an inflatable with outboard, tied to its > > beam with spring lines fore and aft. I worked great. No problems. They were > > making 4.5 knots the whole way. > > Jerry > > Also, had a wiped out cam on the intake valve of one cylinder on my 318 > > dodge. I shorted out the electrode so it wouldn't spark, and drove on seven > > cylinders for months, till the truck was junked for not being able to pass > > smog test. > > > > > > On Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:06 PM, Helen Horn < > > he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > > > I believe that, I forgot that 50 hours is a long time on a sailboat. > > about that card, it's good for a boat to a service/haulout,from your dock > > even. it's also good (the gold level) for a boat you're on even if it's not > > yours and vessel assist is needed. You would just call v.a. and set up a > > time and they'll get you there. going to Berkeley? You could have the > > engine delivered before you arrive. We'll be hauling within this next year > > again..don&#39;t like our bottom paint, will be changing. We've been beercan > > racing our 36(Caliente) #60 in the southbay, and plan to do a race this > > Saturday, most likely in light airs. We're also planning a sail upgrade, > > those 45 year old original sails only work when they're dripping wet. we're > > still running our Atomic 4, but have to be careful where we buy the > > fuel.Also we beefed up our bilge last haulout, at Cree's suggestion..want > > to see if it made a difference visually with the latest keelwag > > conversation. I also plan to learn your mastclimbing system. I hope you > > won't miss any races because of this. Helen > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:30 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > > > > Hi Helen, > > > > I have it on good authority that they will say it is not their fault no > > matter what. Their warrantee is for one season and as it ran through two > > seasons, I am screwed. Let's see. $5000 divided by 50 hours is... the > > going wage rate. > > > > Maybe I need to get one of those gold cards. Does your boat need to be > > running to get one? :-) > > > > I think there was someone on this list who was considering sending their > > engine to this guy and I did my best to let him know about my experience > > but he sent the engine to this guy anyway. Next time I won't be so subtle > > about my feelings. > > > > My opinion now on engine rebuilds is go to someone local that you can go > > back to if something needs looking after. This rebuild has been much less > > reliable than the 50 year old warn out engine. > > > > Allen > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net>wrote: > > > > ** > > > > Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any > > more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that > > option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM > > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > > > > I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to > > replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine > > back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. > > Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon > > further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed > > that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine > > is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. > > > > The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt > > by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that > > case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the > > guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused > > the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was > > not new and had not been surfaced. > > > > I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to > > be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there > > was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. > > > > Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take > > the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for > > guidance. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Allen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ > Visit Your Group > > View All Topics > > Create New Topic > > 2 New Members > > We are making changes based on your feedback, Thank you ! Submit Feedback > > The Yahoo! 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No, sorry I don't. Paul From: Carlos Solanilla <ca… [at] yahoo.com> To: No Reply <no… [at] yahoogroups.com> Cc: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Digest Number 3781 Do you know somebody doing the same work in miami? My diesel sat for 3 years with the tank full and I want to start the old perkins On Oct 18, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote: Cal Sail List Group 15 New Messages Digest #3781 1a Re: new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank by jeep.jallade 1b Re: new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank by sailcraft30 2a All Is Lost - Opens Soon by "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" calannapolis 2b Re: All Is Lost - Opens Soon by "Greg vanDalen" norcalrvf 3a Interested in Cal27s by "Doug Smith" rifleman_maynard 3b Re: Interested in Cal27s by "John b" jecyob 4 Stuffing Box &quot;Stick&quot; by cal29brad 5a Stuck Valve by "Allen Edwards" xhpspd 5b Re: Stuck Valve by "david dobbs" tmft567 5c Re: Stuck Valve by "david dobbs" tmft567 5d Re: Stuck Valve by "Helen Horn" he… [at] sbcglobal.net 5e Re: Stuck Valve by "Allen Edwards" xhpspd 5f Re: Stuck Valve by "Helen Horn" he… [at] sbcglobal.net 5g Re: Stuck Valve by "Gerald Sobel" sobel_solar 5h Re: Stuck Valve by "Allen Edwards" xhpspd Messages 1a Re: new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:17 am (PDT) . Posted by: jeep.jallade It a Cal 33-2 1987. Holds 25 gals, of fuel. I will plan to call in the spring. From: pw… [at] aol.com To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:04:05 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank Ahhh okay I've done a couple boats o.er there, both powerboats though. If you are not going to use it all winter then fill it up and let it sit all winter to help soften up the crap on the walls, That way when I come in in the spring, it'll all be looser and ready to come out. About a month before you want me to come out, put an injector cleaner in the tank. I like Sea Foam found at Napa and Walmart. Don't put it in while winterizing because I don't want to take the chance of everything falling off the walls and then settling hard on the bottom again before I get there. What model is your boat again? Thanks - Paul From: jeepjallade <je… [at] comcast.net> To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:46 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank Thanks for all the info. Paul I keep my boat at the Miles River YC in St. Michaels MD. Is it better to do it in the spring as apposed to the fall during winterization. Plan to keep the boat in the water this winter. From: pw… [at] aol.com To: "Cal Boats" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:20:20 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank If you are on the Chesapeake call me as that is what I do. Runs in the $275 to $375 area depending on how far away you are and how dirty the tank is. This is the machine I use and I go in through the sending unit generally http://catalog.rcitechnologies.com/item/portable-tank-cleaning-unit/-tank-cleaning-unit/ptcu-2 ? Good luck! Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service and Fuel Cleaning 443-614-4070 From: Helen Horn < he… [at] sbcglobal.net > To: Cal_Boats < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 3:58 pm Subject: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank How much fuel is in your tank..if it's a large amount, there are mobile fuel polishing businesses around anywhere there are fishing communities. If it's a small amount, pump it into a yellow (diesel container) and properly dispose of it. Your county dump may know the facility for that. Then if you have a cleanout fitting (you can have them on diesel but not gasoline tanks) you can inspect and finish cleaning it out. If you search google you can probably find exact how-to's. Plus I've read articles on how to install cleanout fittings, so I'm sure you'll find that also. Helen Ahhh okay I've done a couple boats o.er there, both powerboats though. If you are not going to use it all winter then fill it up and let it sit all winter to help soften up the crap on the walls, That way when I come in in the spring, it'll all be looser and ready to come out. About a month before you want me to come out, put an injector cleaner in the tank. I like Sea Foam found at Napa and Walmart. Don't put it in while winterizing because I don't want to take the chance of everything falling off the walls and then settling hard on the bottom again before I get there. What model is your boat again? Thanks - Paul From: jeepjallade <je… [at] comcast.net> To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:46 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank Thanks for all the info. Paul I keep my boat at the Miles River YC in St. Michaels MD. Is it better to do it in the spring as apposed to the fall during winterization. Plan to keep the boat in the water this winter. From: pw… [at] aol.com To: "Cal Boats" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:20:20 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank If you are on the Chesapeake call me as that is what I do. Runs in the $275 to $375 area depending on how far away you are and how dirty the tank is. This is the machine I use and I go in through the sending unit generally http://catalog.rcitechnologies.com/item/portable-tank-cleaning-unit/-tank-cleaning-unit/ptcu-2 ? Good luck! Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service and Fuel Cleaning 443-614-4070 From: Helen Horn < he… [at] sbcglobal.net > To: Cal_Boats < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 3:58 pm Subject: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank How much fuel is in your tank..if it's a large amount, there are mobile fuel polishing businesses around anywhere there are fishing communities. If it's a small amount, pump it into a yellow (diesel container) and properly dispose of it. Your county dump may know the facility for that. Then if you have a cleanout fitting (you can have them on diesel but not gasoline tanks) you can inspect and finish cleaning it out. If you search google you can probably find exact how-to's. Plus I've read articles on how to install cleanout fittings, so I'm sure you'll find that also. Helen Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (13) . Top ^ 1b Re: new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:06 am (PDT) . Posted by: sailcraft30 Okay, that works. By the way, a buddy of mine used to own one they are really nice boats. The name isn't Serendipity is it? Thanks - Paul From: jeepjallade <je… [at] comcast.net> To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 7:17 am Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank It a Cal 33-2 1987. Holds 25 gals, of fuel. I will plan to call in the spring. From: pw… [at] aol.com To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:04:05 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank Ahhh okay I've done a couple boats o.er there, both powerboats though. If you are not going to use it all winter then fill it up and let it sit all winter to help soften up the crap on the walls, That way when I come in in the spring, it'll all be looser and ready to come out. About a month before you want me to come out, put an injector cleaner in the tank. I like Sea Foam found at Napa and Walmart. Don't put it in while winterizing because I don't want to take the chance of everything falling off the walls and then settling hard on the bottom again before I get there. What model is your boat again? Thanks - Paul From: jeepjallade <je… [at] comcast.net> To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:46 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank Thanks for all the info. Paul I keep my boat at the Miles River YC in St. Michaels MD. Is it better to do it in the spring as apposed to the fall during winterization. Plan to keep the boat in the water this winter. From: pw… [at] aol.com To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:20:20 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank If you are on the Chesapeake call me as that is what I do. Runs in the $275 to $375 area depending on how far away you are and how dirty the tank is. This is the machine I use and I go in through the sending unit generally http://catalog.rcitechnologies.com/item/portable-tank-cleaning-unit/-tank-cleaning-unit/ptcu-2? Good luck! Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service and Fuel Cleaning 443-614-4070 From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 3:58 pm Subject: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank How much fuel is in your tank..if it's a large amount, there are mobile fuel polishing businesses around anywhere there are fishing communities. If it's a small amount, pump it into a yellow (diesel container) and properly dispose of it. Your county dump may know the facility for that. Then if you have a cleanout fitting (you can have them on diesel but not gasoline tanks) you can inspect and finish cleaning it out. If you search google you can probably find exact how-to's. Plus I've read articles on how to install cleanout fittings, so I'm sure you'll find that also. Helen Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (13) . Top ^ 2a All Is Lost - Opens Soon Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:27 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" calannapolis Howdy. As we all know, every boat is rigged differently, especially the running rigging. Less known (except to our list), there were 3 CAL 39s used (and destroyed) in making this film. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to look for differences in the boats during the movie to see if the movie makers were careful in their details. This is kind of like the movie scenes where travel is shown as an airliner taking off and then landing. The protagonist takes off in one type of plane and lands in a different model. Cheers Charlie Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ 2b Re: All Is Lost - Opens Soon Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:19 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Greg vanDalen" norcalrvf If were weren't going to Yosemite this weekend we'd be all over it. Hopefully the next weekend we can scope it out. Greg From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "CAL Yahoo (Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com)" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:27 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] All Is Lost - Opens Soon Howdy. As we all know, every boat is rigged differently, especially the running rigging. Less known (except to our list), there were 3 CAL 39s used (and destroyed) in making this film. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to look for differences in the boats during the movie to see if the movie makers were careful in their details. This is kind of like the movie scenes where travel is shown as an airliner taking off and then landing. The protagonist takes off in one type of plane and lands in a different model. Cheers Charlie Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ 3a Interested in Cal27s Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Doug Smith" rifleman_maynard May look at one shortly. I will find a way, or I will make one. Hannibal son of Hamilcar Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ 3b Re: Interested in Cal27s Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:10 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "John b" jecyob Which one, there are 4 different models John B cal 227 #650 On Oct 17, 2013 6:34 PM, "Doug Smith" <ri… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > May look at one shortly. > > I will find a way, or I will make one. > > Hannibal son of Hamilcar > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ 4 Stuffing Box &quot;Stick&quot; Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by: cal29brad Hello Again to the Group, My Cal 29 has never had an inboard, and there is a stick of some sort that protrudes from the stuffing box area into the engine compartment. I have no idea what purpose this stick serves, whether or not it is necessary to leave it in place, of if removing it will cause some unforeseen problem for the hull. Nonetheless, I would like to either remove it or at least cut it off to the point where it enters the hull on the inside of the boat. Since our Cal is on the hard, it seems reasonable that I could remove it completely and then glass in any holes or weak spots around where it is mounted. Note that I plan to never install an inboard engine and instead intend to make the boat all DC electric with, at most, a small generator aboard to recharge our batteries. Any thoughts, suggestions or advice on this "stick" and its removal will be appreciated. I can post photographs of this thing if that would be helpful to anyone. Thank you, Brad Bates Play Mate -- Cal 29 Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ 5a Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:55 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Allen Edwards" xhpspd I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. Thanks. Allen Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ 5b Re: Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:11 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "david dobbs" tmft567 Allen, I know where there is a rebuilt Grey Marine engine. My boatyard, Rentner Marine in Chicago. Been in business since 1942, family owned and operated. They know their stuff, and don't suffer fools. As an owner I had to earn their respect as someone who knew about boats. It took a few years. David Dobbs CAL 29 411 On Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:55 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. Thanks. Allen Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ 5c Re: Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "david dobbs" tmft567 Allen, I know where there is a rebuilt Grey Marine engine. My boatyard, Rentner Marine in Chicago. Been in business since 1942, family owned and operated. They know their stuff, and don't suffer fools. As an owner I had to earn their respect as someone who knew about boats. It took a few years. David Dobbs CAL 29 411 On Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:55 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. Thanks. Allen Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ 5d Re: Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:27 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Helen Horn" he… [at] sbcglobal.net Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. Thanks. Allen Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ 5e Re: Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Allen Edwards" xhpspd Hi Helen, I have it on good authority that they will say it is not their fault no matter what. Their warrantee is for one season and as it ran through two seasons, I am screwed. Let's see. $5000 divided by 50 hours is... the going wage rate. Maybe I need to get one of those gold cards. Does your boat need to be running to get one? :-) I think there was someone on this list who was considering sending their engine to this guy and I did my best to let him know about my experience but he sent the engine to this guy anyway. Next time I won't be so subtle about my feelings. My opinion now on engine rebuilds is go to someone local that you can go back to if something needs looking after. This rebuild has been much less reliable than the 50 year old warn out engine. Allen On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > ** > > > Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any > more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that > option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to > replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine > back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. > Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon > further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed > that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine > is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. > > The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt > by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that > case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the > guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused > the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was > not new and had not been surfaced. > > I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to > be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there > was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. > > Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take > the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for > guidance. > > Thanks. > > Allen > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ 5f Re: Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:06 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Helen Horn" he… [at] sbcglobal.net I believe that, I forgot that 50 hours is a long time on a sailboat. about that card, it's good for a boat to a service/haulout,from your dock even. it's also good (the gold level) for a boat you're on even if it's not yours and vessel assist is needed. You would just call v.a. and set up a time and they'll get you there. going to Berkeley? You could have the engine delivered before you arrive. We'll be hauling within this next year again..don&#39;t like our bottom paint, will be changing. We've been beercan racing our 36(Caliente) #60 in the southbay, and plan to do a race this Saturday, most likely in light airs. We're also planning a sail upgrade, those 45 year old original sails only work when they're dripping wet. we're still running our Atomic 4, but have to be careful where we buy the fuel.Also we beefed up our bilge last haulout, at Cree's suggestion..want to see if it made a difference visually with the latest keelwag conversatio n. I also plan to learn your mastclimbing system. I hope you won't miss any races because of this. Helen From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve Hi Helen, I have it on good authority that they will say it is not their fault no matter what. Their warrantee is for one season and as it ran through two seasons, I am screwed. Let's see. $5000 divided by 50 hours is... the going wage rate. Maybe I need to get one of those gold cards. Does your boat need to be running to get one? :-) I think there was someone on this list who was considering sending their engine to this guy and I did my best to let him know about my experience but he sent the engine to this guy anyway. Next time I won't be so subtle about my feelings. My opinion now on engine rebuilds is go to someone local that you can go back to if something needs looking after. This rebuild has been much less reliable than the 50 year old warn out engine. Allen On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > > >I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. > > >The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. > > >I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. > > >Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. > > >Thanks. > > >Allen > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ 5g Re: Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Gerald Sobel" sobel_solar We towed Per Curtis' Cal 31 all the way back from Catalina's Howland Landing, to Marina de Rey, using an inflatable with outboard, tied to its beam with spring lines fore and aft. I worked great. No problems. They were making 4.5 knots the whole way. Jerry Also, had a wiped out cam on the intake valve of one cylinder on my 318 dodge. I shorted out the electrode so it wouldn't spark, and drove on seven cylinders for months, till the truck was junked for not being able to pass smog test. On Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:06 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: >I believe that, I forgot that 50 hours is a long time on a sailboat. about that card, it's good for a boat to a service/haulout,from your dock even. it's also good (the gold level) for a boat you're on even if it's not yours and vessel assist is needed. You would just call v.a. and set up a time and they'll get you there. going to Berkeley? You could have the engine delivered before you arrive. We'll be hauling within this next year again..don&#39;t like our bottom paint, will be changing. We've been beercan racing our 36(Caliente) #60 in the southbay, and plan to do a race this Saturday, most likely in light airs. We're also planning a sail upgrade, those 45 year old original sails only work when they're dripping wet. we're still running our Atomic 4, but have to be careful where we buy the fuel.Also we beefed up our bilge last haulout, at Cree's suggestion..want to see if it made a difference visually with the latest keelwag conversation. I also plan to learn your mastclimbing system. I hope you won't miss any races because of this. Helen > > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:30 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > > >Hi Helen, > > >I have it on good authority that they will say it is not their fault no matter what. Their warrantee is for one season and as it ran through two seasons, I am screwed. Let's see. $5000 divided by 50 hours is... the going wage rate. > > >Maybe I need to get one of those gold cards. Does your boat need to be running to get one? :-) > > >I think there was someone on this list who was considering sending their engine to this guy and I did my best to let him know about my experience but he sent the engine to this guy anyway. Next time I won't be so subtle about my feelings. > > >My opinion now on engine rebuilds is go to someone local that you can go back to if something needs looking after. This rebuild has been much less reliable than the 50 year old warn out engine. > > >Allen > > > > > > > >On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > >> >>Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >>To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM >>Subject: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve >> >> >> >> >>I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. >> >> >>The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. >> >> >>I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. >> >> >>Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. >> >> >>Thanks. >> >> >>Allen >> >> > > > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (8) . Top ^ 5h Re: Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:32 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Allen Edwards" xhpspd I once race a guy with a spark plug wire off. My car had so much power I didn't even notice it and didn't even have to press all the way on the gas to beat him. It was a memorable night. 50 people standing on the street corner at midnight watching us go by at 110MPH as a LA Police car casually drove by after watching the entire thing from the cross street. He just drove on. No yachting content, sorry. Just had to recall the incident. Allen On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > We towed Per Curtis' Cal 31 all the way back from Catalina's Howland > Landing, to Marina de Rey, using an inflatable with outboard, tied to its > beam with spring lines fore and aft. I worked great. No problems. They were > making 4.5 knots the whole way. > Jerry > Also, had a wiped out cam on the intake valve of one cylinder on my 318 > dodge. I shorted out the electrode so it wouldn't spark, and drove on seven > cylinders for months, till the truck was junked for not being able to pass > smog test. > > > On Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:06 PM, Helen Horn < > he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > I believe that, I forgot that 50 hours is a long time on a sailboat. > about that card, it's good for a boat to a service/haulout,from your dock > even. it's also good (the gold level) for a boat you're on even if it's not > yours and vessel assist is needed. You would just call v.a. and set up a > time and they'll get you there. going to Berkeley? You could have the > engine delivered before you arrive. We'll be hauling within this next year > again..don&#39;t like our bottom paint, will be changing. We've been beercan > racing our 36(Caliente) #60 in the southbay, and plan to do a race this > Saturday, most likely in light airs. We're also planning a sail upgrade, > those 45 year old original sails only work when they're dripping wet. we're > still running our Atomic 4, but have to be careful where we buy the > fuel.Also we beefed up our bilge last haulout, at Cree's suggestion..want > to see if it made a difference visually with the latest keelwag > conversation. I also plan to learn your mastclimbing system. I hope you > won't miss any races because of this. Helen > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > Hi Helen, > > I have it on good authority that they will say it is not their fault no > matter what. Their warrantee is for one season and as it ran through two > seasons, I am screwed. Let's see. $5000 divided by 50 hours is... the > going wage rate. > > Maybe I need to get one of those gold cards. Does your boat need to be > running to get one? :-) > > I think there was someone on this list who was considering sending their > engine to this guy and I did my best to let him know about my experience > but he sent the engine to this guy anyway. Next time I won't be so subtle > about my feelings. > > My opinion now on engine rebuilds is go to someone local that you can go > back to if something needs looking after. This rebuild has been much less > reliable than the 50 year old warn out engine. > > Allen > > > > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net>wrote: > > ** > > Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any > more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that > option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >

Google “miami fuel polishing.” Harleigh From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:09 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Digest Number 3781 No, sorry I don't. Paul From: Carlos Solanilla <ca… [at] yahoo.com> To: No Reply <no… [at] yahoogroups.com> Cc: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 18, 2013 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Digest Number 3781 Do you know somebody doing the same work in miami? My diesel sat for 3 years with the tank full and I want to start the old perkins On Oct 18, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote: <http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlYWlhdm1jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM4MjA3MDc2Mw--> Yahoo! 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Posted by: <mailto:je… [at] comcast.net?subject=Re%3A%20new%20stream%20of%20cleaning%20diesel%20fuel%20and%20tank> jeep.jallade It a Cal 33-2 1987. Holds 25 gals, of fuel. I will plan to call in the spring. From: pw… [at] aol.com To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:04:05 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank Ahhh okay I've done a couple boats o.er there, both powerboats though. If you are not going to use it all winter then fill it up and let it sit all winter to help soften up the crap on the walls, That way when I come in in the spring, it'll all be looser and ready to come out. About a month before you want me to come out, put an injector cleaner in the tank. I like Sea Foam found at Napa and Walmart. Don't put it in while winterizing because I don't want to take the chance of everything falling off the walls and then settling hard on the bottom again before I get there. What model is your boat again? Thanks - Paul From: jeepjallade <je… [at] comcast.net> To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:46 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank Thanks for all the info. Paul I keep my boat at the Miles River YC in St. Michaels MD. Is it better to do it in the spring as apposed to the fall during winterization. Plan to keep the boat in the water this winter. From: pw… [at] aol.com To: "Cal Boats" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:20:20 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank If you are on the Chesapeake call me as that is what I do. Runs in the $275 to $375 area depending on how far away you are and how dirty the tank is. This is the machine I use and I go in through the sending unit generally http://catalog.rcitechnologies.com/item/portable-tank-cleaning-unit/-tank-cleaning-unit/ptcu-2 ? Good luck! Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service and Fuel Cleaning 443-614-4070 From: Helen Horn < he… [at] sbcglobal.net > To: Cal_Boats < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 3:58 pm Subject: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank How much fuel is in your tank..if it's a large amount, there are mobile fuel polishing businesses around anywhere there are fishing communities. If it's a small amount, pump it into a yellow (diesel container) and properly dispose of it. Your county dump may know the facility for that. Then if you have a cleanout fitting (you can have them on diesel but not gasoline tanks) you can inspect and finish cleaning it out. If you search google you can probably find exact how-to's. Plus I've read articles on how to install cleanout fittings, so I'm sure you'll find that also. Helen Ahhh okay I've done a couple boats o.er there, both powerboats though. If you are not going to use it all winter then fill it up and let it sit all winter to help soften up the crap on the walls, That way when I come in in the spring, it'll all be looser and ready to come out. About a month before you want me to come out, put an injector cleaner in the tank. I like Sea Foam found at Napa and Walmart. Don't put it in while winterizing because I don't want to take the chance of everything falling off the walls and then settling hard on the bottom again before I get there. What model is your boat again? Thanks - Paul From: jeepjallade <je… [at] comcast.net> To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:46 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank Thanks for all the info. Paul I keep my boat at the Miles River YC in St. Michaels MD. Is it better to do it in the spring as apposed to the fall during winterization. Plan to keep the boat in the water this winter. From: pw… [at] aol.com To: "Cal Boats" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:20:20 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank If you are on the Chesapeake call me as that is what I do. Runs in the $275 to $375 area depending on how far away you are and how dirty the tank is. This is the machine I use and I go in through the sending unit generally http://catalog.rcitechnologies.com/item/portable-tank-cleaning-unit/-tank-cleaning-unit/ptcu-2 ? Good luck! Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service and Fuel Cleaning 443-614-4070 From: Helen Horn < he… [at] sbcglobal.net > To: Cal_Boats < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 3:58 pm Subject: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank How much fuel is in your tank..if it's a large amount, there are mobile fuel polishing businesses around anywhere there are fishing communities. If it's a small amount, pump it into a yellow (diesel container) and properly dispose of it. Your county dump may know the facility for that. Then if you have a cleanout fitting (you can have them on diesel but not gasoline tanks) you can inspect and finish cleaning it out. If you search google you can probably find exact how-to's. Plus I've read articles on how to install cleanout fittings, so I'm sure you'll find that also. Helen <mailto:je… [at] comcast.net?subject=Re%3A%20new%20stream%20of%20cleaning%20diesel%20fuel%20and%20tank> Reply to sender . <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20new%20stream%20of%20cleaning%20diesel%20fuel%20and%20tank> Reply to group . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzZW5qcThnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz?act=reply&messageNum=37173> Reply via Web Post . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37160;_ylc=X3oDMTM4bmw3bzRpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYzBHRwY0lkAzM3MTYw> All Messages (13) . Top ^ 1b <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37174;_ylc=X3oDMTJzZDcwNzNtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz> Re: new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:06 am (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:pw… [at] aol.com?subject=Re%3A%20new%20stream%20of%20cleaning%20diesel%20fuel%20and%20tank> sailcraft30 Okay, that works. By the way, a buddy of mine used to own one they are really nice boats. The name isn't Serendipity is it? Thanks - Paul From: jeepjallade <je… [at] comcast.net> To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 17, 2013 7:17 am Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank It a Cal 33-2 1987. Holds 25 gals, of fuel. I will plan to call in the spring. From: pw… [at] aol.com To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:04:05 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank Ahhh okay I've done a couple boats o.er there, both powerboats though. If you are not going to use it all winter then fill it up and let it sit all winter to help soften up the crap on the walls, That way when I come in in the spring, it'll all be looser and ready to come out. About a month before you want me to come out, put an injector cleaner in the tank. I like Sea Foam found at Napa and Walmart. Don't put it in while winterizing because I don't want to take the chance of everything falling off the walls and then settling hard on the bottom again before I get there. What model is your boat again? Thanks - Paul From: jeepjallade <je… [at] comcast.net> To: Cal Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 5:46 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank Thanks for all the info. Paul I keep my boat at the Miles River YC in St. Michaels MD. Is it better to do it in the spring as apposed to the fall during winterization. Plan to keep the boat in the water this winter. From: pw… [at] aol.com To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:20:20 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank If you are on the Chesapeake call me as that is what I do. Runs in the $275 to $375 area depending on how far away you are and how dirty the tank is. This is the machine I use and I go in through the sending unit generally http://catalog.rcitechnologies.com/item/portable-tank-cleaning-unit/-tank-cleaning-unit/ptcu-2? Good luck! Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service and Fuel Cleaning 443-614-4070 From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 16, 2013 3:58 pm Subject: [Cal_Boats] new stream of cleaning diesel fuel and tank How much fuel is in your tank..if it's a large amount, there are mobile fuel polishing businesses around anywhere there are fishing communities. If it's a small amount, pump it into a yellow (diesel container) and properly dispose of it. Your county dump may know the facility for that. Then if you have a cleanout fitting (you can have them on diesel but not gasoline tanks) you can inspect and finish cleaning it out. If you search google you can probably find exact how-to's. Plus I've read articles on how to install cleanout fittings, so I'm sure you'll find that also. Helen <mailto:pw… [at] aol.com?subject=Re%3A%20new%20stream%20of%20cleaning%20diesel%20fuel%20and%20tank> Reply to sender . <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20new%20stream%20of%20cleaning%20diesel%20fuel%20and%20tank> Reply to group . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzaTd2MThyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz?act=reply&messageNum=37174> Reply via Web Post . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37160;_ylc=X3oDMTM4ZmRicTQ4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYzBHRwY0lkAzM3MTYw> All Messages (13) . Top ^ 2a <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37175;_ylc=X3oDMTJzZDBidmNxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz> All Is Lost - Opens Soon Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:27 am (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:hu… [at] bah.com?subject=Re%3A%20All%20Is%20Lost%20-%20Opens%20Soon> "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" calannapolis Howdy. As we all know, every boat is rigged differently, especially the running rigging. Less known (except to our list), there were 3 CAL 39s used (and destroyed) in making this film. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to look for differences in the boats during the movie to see if the movie makers were careful in their details. This is kind of like the movie scenes where travel is shown as an airliner taking off and then landing. The protagonist takes off in one type of plane and lands in a different model. Cheers Charlie <mailto:hu… [at] bah.com?subject=Re%3A%20All%20Is%20Lost%20-%20Opens%20Soon> Reply to sender . <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20All%20Is%20Lost%20-%20Opens%20Soon> Reply to group . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzY2o2cTRoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz?act=reply&messageNum=37175> Reply via Web Post . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37175;_ylc=X3oDMTM4ZWw2MTQ5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYzBHRwY0lkAzM3MTc1> All Messages (2) . Top ^ 2b <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37176;_ylc=X3oDMTJzbWFuMTNmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz> Re: All Is Lost - Opens Soon Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:19 am (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:no… [at] yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20All%20Is%20Lost%20-%20Opens%20Soon> "Greg vanDalen" norcalrvf If were weren't going to Yosemite this weekend we'd be all over it. Hopefully the next weekend we can scope it out. Greg From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com> To: "CAL Yahoo (Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com)" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:27 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] All Is Lost - Opens Soon Howdy. As we all know, every boat is rigged differently, especially the running rigging. Less known (except to our list), there were 3 CAL 39s used (and destroyed) in making this film. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to look for differences in the boats during the movie to see if the movie makers were careful in their details. This is kind of like the movie scenes where travel is shown as an airliner taking off and then landing. The protagonist takes off in one type of plane and lands in a different model. Cheers Charlie <mailto:no… [at] yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20All%20Is%20Lost%20-%20Opens%20Soon> Reply to sender . <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20All%20Is%20Lost%20-%20Opens%20Soon> Reply to group . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzYXM4OHMyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz?act=reply&messageNum=37176> Reply via Web Post . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37175;_ylc=X3oDMTM4YmoyMDBlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYzBHRwY0lkAzM3MTc1> All Messages (2) . Top ^ 3a <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37177;_ylc=X3oDMTJzbXA1c3IwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz> Interested in Cal27s Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:ri… [at] yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Interested%20in%20Cal27s> "Doug Smith" rifleman_maynard May look at one shortly. I will find a way, or I will make one. Hannibal son of Hamilcar <mailto:ri… [at] yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Interested%20in%20Cal27s> Reply to sender . <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Interested%20in%20Cal27s> Reply to group . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzamsxYnY0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz?act=reply&messageNum=37177> Reply via Web Post . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37177;_ylc=X3oDMTM4bGo4Z3JkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYzBHRwY0lkAzM3MTc3> All Messages (2) . Top ^ 3b <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37179;_ylc=X3oDMTJzM3ZnNWlqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz> Re: Interested in Cal27s Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:10 pm (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:je… [at] gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Interested%20in%20Cal27s> "John b" jecyob Which one, there are 4 different models John B cal 227 #650 On Oct 17, 2013 6:34 PM, "Doug Smith" <ri… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > May look at one shortly. > > I will find a way, or I will make one. > > Hannibal son of Hamilcar > > <mailto:je… [at] gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Interested%20in%20Cal27s> Reply to sender . <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Interested%20in%20Cal27s> Reply to group . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzMjQxYzg5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz?act=reply&messageNum=37179> Reply via Web Post . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37177;_ylc=X3oDMTM4cmtndGEwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3OQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYzBHRwY0lkAzM3MTc3> All Messages (2) . Top ^ 4 <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37178;_ylc=X3oDMTJzOWp0YWk2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz> Stuffing Box &quot;Stick&quot; Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:br… [at] gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuffing%20Box%20%26quot%3BStick%26quot%3B> cal29brad Hello Again to the Group, My Cal 29 has never had an inboard, and there is a stick of some sort that protrudes from the stuffing box area into the engine compartment. I have no idea what purpose this stick serves, whether or not it is necessary to leave it in place, of if removing it will cause some unforeseen problem for the hull. Nonetheless, I would like to either remove it or at least cut it off to the point where it enters the hull on the inside of the boat. Since our Cal is on the hard, it seems reasonable that I could remove it completely and then glass in any holes or weak spots around where it is mounted. Note that I plan to never install an inboard engine and instead intend to make the boat all DC electric with, at most, a small generator aboard to recharge our batteries. Any thoughts, suggestions or advice on this "stick" and its removal will be appreciated. I can post photographs of this thing if that would be helpful to anyone. Thank you, Brad Bates Play Mate -- Cal 29 <mailto:br… [at] gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuffing%20Box%20%26quot%3BStick%26quot%3B> Reply to sender . <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuffing%20Box%20%26quot%3BStick%26quot%3B> Reply to group . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzdWI5aGc1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz?act=reply&messageNum=37178> Reply via Web Post . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37178;_ylc=X3oDMTM4cTRkaDZyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE3OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYzBHRwY0lkAzM3MTc4> All Messages (1) . Top ^ 5a <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37180;_ylc=X3oDMTJzMzI3aWZrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4MARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz> Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:55 pm (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:al… [at] gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> "Allen Edwards" xhpspd I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. Thanks. Allen <mailto:al… [at] gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> Reply to sender . <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> Reply to group . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzZTZwOWNxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4MARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz?act=reply&messageNum=37180> Reply via Web Post . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37180;_ylc=X3oDMTM4ZjUwa3JpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4MARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYzBHRwY0lkAzM3MTgw> All Messages (8) . Top ^ 5b <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37181;_ylc=X3oDMTJzbGVjcnZ2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4MQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz> Re: Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:11 pm (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:tm… [at] yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> "david dobbs" tmft567 Allen, I know where there is a rebuilt Grey Marine engine. My boatyard, Rentner Marine in Chicago. Been in business since 1942, family owned and operated. They know their stuff, and don't suffer fools. As an owner I had to earn their respect as someone who knew about boats. It took a few years. David Dobbs CAL 29 411 On Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:55 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. Thanks. Allen <mailto:tm… [at] yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> Reply to sender . <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> Reply to group . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzNXB1amUyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4MQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz?act=reply&messageNum=37181> Reply via Web Post . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37180;_ylc=X3oDMTM4NG5jcGdzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4MQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYzBHRwY0lkAzM3MTgw> All Messages (8) . Top ^ 5c <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37182;_ylc=X3oDMTJzZDBqdW5xBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4MgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz> Re: Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:15 pm (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:tm… [at] yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> "david dobbs" tmft567 Allen, I know where there is a rebuilt Grey Marine engine. My boatyard, Rentner Marine in Chicago. Been in business since 1942, family owned and operated. They know their stuff, and don't suffer fools. As an owner I had to earn their respect as someone who knew about boats. It took a few years. David Dobbs CAL 29 411 On Thursday, October 17, 2013 7:55 PM, Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> wrote: I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. Thanks. Allen <mailto:tm… [at] yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> Reply to sender . <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> Reply to group . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzdW9pNWs3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4MgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz?act=reply&messageNum=37182> Reply via Web Post . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37180;_ylc=X3oDMTM4cDI0ZHI3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4MgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYzBHRwY0lkAzM3MTgw> All Messages (8) . Top ^ 5d <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37183;_ylc=X3oDMTJzNzNwdmlnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz> Re: Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:27 pm (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> "Helen Horn" he… [at] sbcglobal.net Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. Thanks. Allen <mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> Reply to sender . <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> Reply to group . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzZm10ZDBpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz?act=reply&messageNum=37183> Reply via Web Post . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37180;_ylc=X3oDMTM4cGRrcnVxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4MwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYzBHRwY0lkAzM3MTgw> All Messages (8) . Top ^ 5e <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37184;_ylc=X3oDMTJzbGpzdDZuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz> Re: Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:30 pm (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:al… [at] gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> "Allen Edwards" xhpspd Hi Helen, I have it on good authority that they will say it is not their fault no matter what. Their warrantee is for one season and as it ran through two seasons, I am screwed. Let's see. $5000 divided by 50 hours is... the going wage rate. Maybe I need to get one of those gold cards. Does your boat need to be running to get one? :-) I think there was someone on this list who was considering sending their engine to this guy and I did my best to let him know about my experience but he sent the engine to this guy anyway. Next time I won't be so subtle about my feelings. My opinion now on engine rebuilds is go to someone local that you can go back to if something needs looking after. This rebuild has been much less reliable than the 50 year old warn out engine. Allen On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > ** > > > Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any > more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that > option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to > replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine > back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. > Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon > further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed > that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine > is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. > > The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt > by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that > case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the > guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused > the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was > not new and had not been surfaced. > > I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to > be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there > was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. > > Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take > the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for > guidance. > > Thanks. > > Allen > > > > <mailto:al… [at] gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> Reply to sender . <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> Reply to group . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzbGphMTF2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz?act=reply&messageNum=37184> Reply via Web Post . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37180;_ylc=X3oDMTM4azZnOWJqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4NARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYzBHRwY0lkAzM3MTgw> All Messages (8) . Top ^ 5f <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37185;_ylc=X3oDMTJzNXJpOG9nBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz> Re: Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:06 pm (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> "Helen Horn" he… [at] sbcglobal.net I believe that, I forgot that 50 hours is a long time on a sailboat. about that card, it's good for a boat to a service/haulout,from your dock even. it's also good (the gold level) for a boat you're on even if it's not yours and vessel assist is needed. You would just call v.a. and set up a time and they'll get you there. going to Berkeley? You could have the engine delivered before you arrive. We'll be hauling within this next year again..don&#39;t like our bottom paint, will be changing. We've been beercan racing our 36(Caliente) #60 in the southbay, and plan to do a race this Saturday, most likely in light airs. We're also planning a sail upgrade, those 45 year old original sails only work when they're dripping wet. we're still running our Atomic 4, but have to be careful where we buy the fuel.Also we beefed up our bilge last haulout, at Cree's suggestion..want to see if it made a difference visually with the latest keelwag conversatio n. I also plan to learn your mastclimbing system. I hope you won't miss any races because of this. Helen From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve Hi Helen, I have it on good authority that they will say it is not their fault no matter what. Their warrantee is for one season and as it ran through two seasons, I am screwed. Let's see. $5000 divided by 50 hours is... the going wage rate. Maybe I need to get one of those gold cards. Does your boat need to be running to get one? :-) I think there was someone on this list who was considering sending their engine to this guy and I did my best to let him know about my experience but he sent the engine to this guy anyway. Next time I won't be so subtle about my feelings. My opinion now on engine rebuilds is go to someone local that you can go back to if something needs looking after. This rebuild has been much less reliable than the 50 year old warn out engine. Allen On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM >Subject: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > > >I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. > > >The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. > > >I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. > > >Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. > > >Thanks. > > >Allen > > <mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> Reply to sender . <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> Reply to group . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzbXM4b21zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz?act=reply&messageNum=37185> Reply via Web Post . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37180;_ylc=X3oDMTM4OGM4dTF0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4NQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYzBHRwY0lkAzM3MTgw> All Messages (8) . Top ^ 5g <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37186;_ylc=X3oDMTJzZWE3anZzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz> Re: Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> "Gerald Sobel" sobel_solar We towed Per Curtis' Cal 31 all the way back from Catalina's Howland Landing, to Marina de Rey, using an inflatable with outboard, tied to its beam with spring lines fore and aft. I worked great. No problems. They were making 4.5 knots the whole way. Jerry Also, had a wiped out cam on the intake valve of one cylinder on my 318 dodge. I shorted out the electrode so it wouldn't spark, and drove on seven cylinders for months, till the truck was junked for not being able to pass smog test. On Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:06 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: >I believe that, I forgot that 50 hours is a long time on a sailboat. about that card, it's good for a boat to a service/haulout,from your dock even. it's also good (the gold level) for a boat you're on even if it's not yours and vessel assist is needed. You would just call v.a. and set up a time and they'll get you there. going to Berkeley? You could have the engine delivered before you arrive. We'll be hauling within this next year again..don&#39;t like our bottom paint, will be changing. We've been beercan racing our 36(Caliente) #60 in the southbay, and plan to do a race this Saturday, most likely in light airs. We're also planning a sail upgrade, those 45 year old original sails only work when they're dripping wet. we're still running our Atomic 4, but have to be careful where we buy the fuel.Also we beefed up our bilge last haulout, at Cree's suggestion..want to see if it made a difference visually with the latest keelwag conversation. I also plan to learn your mastclimbing system. I hope you won't miss any races because of this. Helen > > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:30 PM >Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > > >Hi Helen, > > >I have it on good authority that they will say it is not their fault no matter what. Their warrantee is for one season and as it ran through two seasons, I am screwed. Let's see. $5000 divided by 50 hours is... the going wage rate. > > >Maybe I need to get one of those gold cards. Does your boat need to be running to get one? :-) > > >I think there was someone on this list who was considering sending their engine to this guy and I did my best to let him know about my experience but he sent the engine to this guy anyway. Next time I won't be so subtle about my feelings. > > >My opinion now on engine rebuilds is go to someone local that you can go back to if something needs looking after. This rebuild has been much less reliable than the 50 year old warn out engine. > > >Allen > > > > > > > >On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > >> >>Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen >> >> >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> >>To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM >>Subject: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve >> >> >> >> >>I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. >> >> >>The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the guides and it was a water leak between the guides and the head that caused the sticking valves. He also said the head, which was said to be new, was not new and had not been surfaced. >> >> >>I am not feeling so good. I have a boat 20 miles from where it needs to be to get it repaired with and engine that runs on 3 cylinders. If there was wind this time of year I could sail over but it has been calm. >> >> >>Anyone have relevant experience? Joe - what should I do? Should I take the head off? Get towed over there? Run it on 3 cylinders? Looking for guidance. >> >> >>Thanks. >> >> >>Allen >> >> > > > > > > <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> Reply to sender . <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> Reply to group . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJzMGFyZmkzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz?act=reply&messageNum=37186> Reply via Web Post . <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37180;_ylc=X3oDMTM4bjA5bWlrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4NgRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYzBHRwY0lkAzM3MTgw> All Messages (8) . Top ^ 5h <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cal_Boats/message/37187;_ylc=X3oDMTJzcjYyNDl2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAMzNzE4NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzgyMDcwNzYz> Re: Stuck Valve Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:32 pm (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:al… [at] gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Stuck%20Valve> "Allen Edwards" xhpspd I once race a guy with a spark plug wire off. My car had so much power I didn't even notice it and didn't even have to press all the way on the gas to beat him. It was a memorable night. 50 people standing on the street corner at midnight watching us go by at 110MPH as a LA Police car casually drove by after watching the entire thing from the cross street. He just drove on. No yachting content, sorry. Just had to recall the incident. Allen On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > We towed Per Curtis' Cal 31 all the way back from Catalina's Howland > Landing, to Marina de Rey, using an inflatable with outboard, tied to its > beam with spring lines fore and aft. I worked great. No problems. They were > making 4.5 knots the whole way. > Jerry > Also, had a wiped out cam on the intake valve of one cylinder on my 318 > dodge. I shorted out the electrode so it wouldn't spark, and drove on seven > cylinders for months, till the truck was junked for not being able to pass > smog test. > > > On Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:06 PM, Helen Horn < > he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > I believe that, I forgot that 50 hours is a long time on a sailboat. > about that card, it's good for a boat to a service/haulout,from your dock > even. it's also good (the gold level) for a boat you're on even if it's not > yours and vessel assist is needed. You would just call v.a. and set up a > time and they'll get you there. going to Berkeley? You could have the > engine delivered before you arrive. We'll be hauling within this next year > again..don&#39;t like our bottom paint, will be changing. We've been beercan > racing our 36(Caliente) #60 in the southbay, and plan to do a race this > Saturday, most likely in light airs. We're also planning a sail upgrade, > those 45 year old original sails only work when they're dripping wet. we're > still running our Atomic 4, but have to be careful where we buy the > fuel.Also we beefed up our bilge last haulout, at Cree's suggestion..want > to see if it made a difference visually with the latest keelwag > conversation. I also plan to learn your mastclimbing system. I hope you > won't miss any races because of this. Helen > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > Hi Helen, > > I have it on good authority that they will say it is not their fault no > matter what. Their warrantee is for one season and as it ran through two > seasons, I am screwed. Let's see. $5000 divided by 50 hours is... the > going wage rate. > > Maybe I need to get one of those gold cards. Does your boat need to be > running to get one? :-) > > I think there was someone on this list who was considering sending their > engine to this guy and I did my best to let him know about my experience > but he sent the engine to this guy anyway. Next time I won't be so subtle > about my feelings. > > My opinion now on engine rebuilds is go to someone local that you can go > back to if something needs looking after. This rebuild has been much less > reliable than the 50 year old warn out engine. > > Allen > > > > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net>wrote: > > ** > > Allen, do you have the boat us gold card? get towed...if you run it any > more and you have a chance in &*(% of getting a refund, you may take that > option out if it gets worse and they say it's not their fault. Helen > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:55 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Stuck Valve > > > I have a wonderful article by Joe on my website that basically advises to > replace rather than rebuild. I should have listened. I sent my engine > back to NJ and, other than leaks of gas, oil, and water, all went well. > Until today. After 50 hours on the engine it didn't sound right and upon > further investigation found no power in #1. Removing the plug revealed > that the valve right below the spark plug is permanently open. The engine > is a Gray Marine 112 4 cylinder flat head. > > The local mechanic says he did an identical engine that had been rebuilt > by the same famous NJ Gray Marine builder that had stuck valves. In that > case, my local mechanic claims that the valves were not new nor were the > guides and it was a water leak between the