"All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert)

So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can't comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I do have one question which really bothers me. I don't want to spoil it for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don't scroll down: Question: There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to the boat?

Jon, I think you know more about boats than you let on. This is also a problem with lifeline tethers. They used to have snap hooks on only one end. That killed some people as boats went down. Take Care Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jo… [at] gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:14 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can't comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I do have one question which really bothers me. I don't want to spoil it for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don't scroll down: Question: There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to the boat?

OK So I am not nuts. This just glared out at me as a 'd'oh' moment. Thanks, Charlie Jon ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Jon, I think you know more about boats than you let on. This is also a problem with lifeline tethers. They used to have snap hooks on only one end. That killed some people as boats went down. Take Care Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jonbrush@... Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:14 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] &quot;All is Lost&quot; (Spoiler Alert) So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can't comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I do have one question which really bothers me. I don't want to spoil it for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don't scroll down: Question: There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to the boat?

Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn't want to be trapped on a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break if the boat sank. Scary situation though. From: "jo… [at] gmail.com" <jo… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: Question: There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to the boat?

I've been wondering about that too. At first I thought the tether might be designed to snap under a certain load, but then deploying the raft during a storm could create such a load when you DO want the raft to remain tethered. A couple of other things that seemed odd to me. I'm not a cruiser or a good sailor for that matter, so I'm curios if these are movie artifacts or I'm missing something 1. Only one radio and GPS? No backups? No EPIRBs or somesuch? 2. Isn't GPS supposed to be waterproof? Why did it break then? 3. Would the batteries really die from flooding that way? I thought they had some protection against that... or was it some other problem with the power grid? 4. When you're on a beat-up boat and see a storm approaching, wouldn't you deploy storm jib and get the sea anchor ready ahead of time, instead of shaving? 5. Can you really leave the boat without an autopilot or anchor to steer itself in a storm? I'd think you should strapped in at the wheel keeping it pointed into the waves... 6. When he woke up in the raft after the storm and found the boat almost sunk, would it have been possible to pump the water out of the boat and keep it afloat? I realize fatigue would play a big part in some of these decisions, but I'm curious to know what one should do in such situations. Cheers, Alex. On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) < hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > ** > > > Jon, I think you know more about boats than you let on.**** > > ** ** > > This is also a problem with lifeline tethers. They used to have snap > hooks on only one end. That killed some people as boats went down.**** > > ** ** > > Take Care**** > > Charlie**** > > Annapolis**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *jo… [at] gmail.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:14 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [External] [Cal_Boats] &quot;All is Lost&quot; (Spoiler Alert)* > *** > > ** ** > > > > So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought it > was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can't comment > on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I do have > one question which really bothers me. I don't want to spoil it for anyone > so if you want to avoid this, don't scroll down:**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Question:**** > > There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man > deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the > raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was > sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to > the boat? **** > > > > > **** > > **** > > >

I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have to provision your self before it descends...... Cal 2-29 Pelican San Pedro Mark A. Stahnke MAS Consulting (310) 832-5992 The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg vanDalen To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn't want to be trapped on a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break if the boat sank. Scary situation though. From: "jo… [at] gmail.com" <jo… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: Question: There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to the boat?

I don't know... I thought that shaving and sleeping in the raft were all part of the character's demeanor. At first, I wondered why he did everything so deliberately, then I realized that he is old and had experienced these situations before. He knew what he was doing and chose to do so at his own pace. Why no EPIRB was my biggest question. The rest of that stuff can be chalked up to willing suspension of disbelief. I thought the movie was excellent. ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <masconsult@...> wrote:  I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have to provision your self before it descends...... Cal 2-29 Pelican San Pedro Mark A. Stahnke MAS Consulting (310) 832-5992 The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg vanDalen To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn't want to be trapped on a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break if the boat sank. Scary situation though. From: "jonbrush@... mailto:jonbrush@..." <jonbrush@... mailto:jonbrush@...> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: Question: There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to the boat?

Is there a time frame for the movie? Could it have been set pre EPIRB? On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:29 AM, <r_… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > I don't know... I thought that shaving and sleeping in the raft were all > part of the character's demeanor. At first, I wondered why he did > everything so deliberately, then I realized that he is old and had > experienced these situations before. He knew what he was doing and chose to > do so at his own pace. Why no EPIRB was my biggest question. The rest of > that stuff can be chalked up to willing suspension of disbelief. I thought > the movie was excellent. > > > ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <masconsult@...> wrote: > > I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of > quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The > longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have > to provision your self before it descends...... > > Cal 2-29 > Pelican > San Pedro > > > Mark A. Stahnke > MAS Consulting > (310) 832-5992 > > The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the > electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is > confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the > transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or > dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not > the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby > notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us > immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Greg vanDalen <norcalrvf@...> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) > > > > Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so > exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn't want to be trapped on > a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break if the boat > sank. Scary situation though. > > *From:* "jonbrush@..." <jonbrush@...> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) > > > So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought > it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t > comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I > do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it > for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: > > > > > > > > > Question: > There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man > deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the > raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was > sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to > the boat? > > > >

I agree that the movie was fantastic. It's just hard to put myself in the same situation, because I know my actions would be very different. He is a great actor, and I can appreciate how much effort it takes to do all those stunts. From: "r_… [at] yahoo.com" <r_… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:29 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) I don&apos;t know... I thought that shaving and sleeping in the raft were all part of the character&apos;s demeanor. At first, I wondered why he did everything so deliberately, then I realized that he is old and had experienced these situations before. He knew what he was doing and chose to do so at his own pace. Why no EPIRB was my biggest question. The rest of that stuff can be chalked up to willing suspension of disbelief. I thought the movie was excellent. ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <masconsult@...> wrote:  I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have to provision your self before it descends...... Cal 2-29 Pelican San Pedro Mark A. Stahnke MAS Consulting (310) 832-5992 The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient&apos;s agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. >>From: Greg vanDalen >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >>Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn&apos;t want to be trapped on a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break if the boat sank. Scary situation though. >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>From: "jonbrush@..." <jonbrush@...> >>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM >>Subject: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> >> >>So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Question: >>There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to the boat? >> >>

I haven't seen the movie yet (want to). I think him having no EPRIB is because he is old enough to be from the generation that, when on an adventure, one takes care of themselves and are responsible for their own actions. Too many people these days head off on some 'adventure', unprepared, and when the shit hits the fan, they get on their cellphone and expect someone to come bail them out. I find that disgusting. Just my two cents. On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I agree that the movie was fantastic. It's just hard to put myself in the > same situation, because I know my actions would be very different. He is a > great actor, and I can appreciate how much effort it takes to do all those > stunts. > > *From:* "r_… [at] yahoo.com" <r_… [at] yahoo.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:29 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) > > > I don&apos;t know... I thought that shaving and sleeping in the raft > were all part of the character&apos;s demeanor. At first, I wondered why he > did everything so deliberately, then I realized that he is old and had > experienced these situations before. He knew what he was doing and chose to > do so at his own pace. Why no EPIRB was my biggest question. The rest of > that stuff can be chalked up to willing suspension of disbelief. I thought > the movie was excellent. > > > ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <masconsult@...> wrote: > > > I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of > quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The > longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have > to provision your self before it descends...... > > Cal 2-29 > Pelican > San Pedro > > > Mark A. Stahnke > MAS Consulting > (310) 832-5992<http://us-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=c6vsckh6oaqa9#> > > The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the > electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is > confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the > transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or > dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not > the intended recipient or the intended recipient&apos;s agent, you are > hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us > immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Greg vanDalen <norcalrvf@...> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) > > > Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so > exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn&apos;t want to be > trapped on a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break > if the boat sank. Scary situation though. > > *From:* "jonbrush@..." <jonbrush@...> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) > > > So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought > it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t > comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I > do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it > for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: > > > > > > > > > Question: > There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man > deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the > raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was > sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to > the boat? > > > > > >