Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert)

The Cals were 1978 models. I had an EPRIB on my 1978 Cal 34 when I went cruising. But besides no EPIRB, why didn't he take the horseshoe buoy from the stern of the boat with him into the raft. Regarding editing inconsistencies and other idiosyncrasies: The storm jib he "raised" was hanked on. Yet his headstay had a furler and I saw no padeye on the foredeck to attach a removable inner forestay. Also, the drum of one of his mast winches was missing in one of the scenes, leaving only the odd-looking spindle. Perhaps one of the Cals was essentially a beater boat or had been in the process of being stripped for parts when it was sold to the film company. In addition, early on in the film when he was trying to get under way after colliding with the container his jib was fully unfurled. Yet practically in the next scene when the headstay was in the shot again, the jib was partially furled. Still, it was a very good movie. Baxter Smith Baltimore From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 12:41 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) Is there a time frame for the movie? Could it have been set pre EPIRB? On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:29 AM, <r_… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: I don't know... I thought that shaving and sleeping in the raft were all part of the character's demeanor. At first, I wondered why he did everything so deliberately, then I realized that he is old and had experienced these situations before. He knew what he was doing and chose to do so at his own pace. Why no EPIRB was my biggest question. The rest of that stuff can be chalked up to willing suspension of disbelief. I thought the movie was excellent. ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <masconsult@...> wrote: I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have to provision your self before it descends...... Cal 2-29 Pelican San Pedro Mark A. Stahnke MAS Consulting (310) 832-5992 The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. From: Greg vanDalen To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn't want to be trapped on a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break if the boat sank. Scary situation though. From: "jonbrush@..." <jonbrush@...> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: Question: There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to the boat?

I don't want to see the movie but I did want to know how it ended. Did he make it or not? So I just read a review that explained the ending. I have one question for people who saw the movie. As the question itself might be a spoiler it is below. Do you think he survived? Allen On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:08 PM, <bi… [at] aol.com> wrote: > ** > > > The Cals were 1978 models. I had an EPRIB on my 1978 Cal 34 when I > went cruising. But besides no EPIRB, why didn't he take the horseshoe buoy > from the stern of the boat with him into the raft. > > Regarding editing inconsistencies and other idiosyncrasies: The storm jib > he "raised" was hanked on. Yet his headstay had a furler and I saw no > padeye on the foredeck to attach a removable inner forestay. Also, the drum > of one of his mast winches was missing in one of the scenes, leaving only > the odd-looking spindle. Perhaps one of the Cals was essentially a beater > boat or had been in the process of being stripped for parts when it was > sold to the film company. In addition, early on in the film when he was > trying to get under way after colliding with the container his jib was > fully unfurled. Yet practically in the next scene when the headstay was in > the shot again, the jib was partially furled. > > Still, it was a very good movie. > > Baxter Smith > Baltimore > -----Original Message----- > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 12:41 pm > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) > > > > Is there a time frame for the movie? Could it have been set pre EPIRB? > > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:29 AM, <r_… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> I don't know... I thought that shaving and sleeping in the raft were >> all part of the character's demeanor. At first, I wondered why he did >> everything so deliberately, then I realized that he is old and had >> experienced these situations before. He knew what he was doing and chose to >> do so at his own pace. Why no EPIRB was my biggest question. The rest of >> that stuff can be chalked up to willing suspension of disbelief. I thought >> the movie was excellent. >> >> >> ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <masconsult@...> wrote: >> >> I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of >> quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The >> longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have >> to provision your self before it descends...... >> >> Cal 2-29 >> Pelican >> San Pedro >> >> >> Mark A. Stahnke >> MAS Consulting >> (310) 832-5992 >> >> The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the >> electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is >> confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the >> transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or >> dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not >> the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby >> notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this >> communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us >> immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Greg vanDalen <norcalrvf@...> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so >> exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn't want to be trapped on >> a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break if the boat >> sank. Scary situation though. >> >> *From:* "jonbrush@..." <jonbrush@...> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought >> it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t >> comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I >> do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it >> for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Question: >> There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man >> deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the >> raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was >> sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to >> the boat? >> >> >> > > > >

An EPIRB is a tool just like a sextant is a tool. How can a tool 'disgust' you? ------------------------------ On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 3:10 AM PDT Leslie Newman wrote: >I haven't seen the movie yet (want to). I think him having no EPRIB is >because he is old enough to be from the generation that, when on an >adventure, one takes care of themselves and are responsible for their own >actions. Too many people these days head off on some 'adventure', >unprepared, and when the shit hits the fan, they get on their cellphone and >expect someone to come bail them out. I find that disgusting. Just my two >cents. > > >On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >> I agree that the movie was fantastic. It's just hard to put myself in the >> same situation, because I know my actions would be very different. He is a >> great actor, and I can appreciate how much effort it takes to do all those >> stunts. >> >> *From:* "r_… [at] yahoo.com" <r_… [at] yahoo.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:29 AM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> I don&apos;t know... I thought that shaving and sleeping in the raft >> were all part of the character&apos;s demeanor. At first, I wondered why he >> did everything so deliberately, then I realized that he is old and had >> experienced these situations before. He knew what he was doing and chose to >> do so at his own pace. Why no EPIRB was my biggest question. The rest of >> that stuff can be chalked up to willing suspension of disbelief. I thought >> the movie was excellent. >> >> >> ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <masconsult@...> wrote: >> >> >> I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of >> quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The >> longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have >> to provision your self before it descends...... >> >> Cal 2-29 >> Pelican >> San Pedro >> >> >> Mark A. Stahnke >> MAS Consulting >> (310) 832-5992<http://us-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=c6vsckh6oaqa9#> >> >> The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the >> electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is >> confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the >> transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or >> dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not >> the intended recipient or the intended recipient&apos;s agent, you are >> hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this >> communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us >> immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Greg vanDalen <norcalrvf@...> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so >> exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn&apos;t want to be >> trapped on a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break >> if the boat sank. Scary situation though. >> >> *From:* "jonbrush@..." <jonbrush@...> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought >> it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t >> comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I >> do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it >> for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Question: >> There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man >> deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the >> raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was >> sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to >> the boat? >> >> >> >> >> >>

I thought the ending is ambiguous. You can make it what you want. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 1:25 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) I don't want to see the movie but I did want to know how it ended. Did he make it or not? So I just read a review that explained the ending. I have one question for people who saw the movie. As the question itself might be a spoiler it is below. Do you think he survived? Allen On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:08 PM, <bi… [at] aol.com> wrote: The Cals were 1978 models. I had an EPRIB on my 1978 Cal 34 when I went cruising. But besides no EPIRB, why didn't he take the horseshoe buoy from the stern of the boat with him into the raft. Regarding editing inconsistencies and other idiosyncrasies: The storm jib he "raised" was hanked on. Yet his headstay had a furler and I saw no padeye on the foredeck to attach a removable inner forestay. Also, the drum of one of his mast winches was missing in one of the scenes, leaving only the odd-looking spindle. Perhaps one of the Cals was essentially a beater boat or had been in the process of being stripped for parts when it was sold to the film company. In addition, early on in the film when he was trying to get under way after colliding with the container his jib was fully unfurled. Yet practically in the next scene when the headstay was in the shot again, the jib was partially furled. Still, it was a very good movie. Baxter Smith Baltimore From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 12:41 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) Is there a time frame for the movie? Could it have been set pre EPIRB? On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:29 AM, <r_… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: I don't know... I thought that shaving and sleeping in the raft were all part of the character's demeanor. At first, I wondered why he did everything so deliberately, then I realized that he is old and had experienced these situations before. He knew what he was doing and chose to do so at his own pace. Why no EPIRB was my biggest question. The rest of that stuff can be chalked up to willing suspension of disbelief. I thought the movie was excellent. ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <masconsult@...> wrote: I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have to provision your self before it descends...... Cal 2-29 Pelican San Pedro Mark A. Stahnke MAS Consulting (310) 832-5992 The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. From: Greg vanDalen <mailto:norcalrvf@...> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn't want to be trapped on a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break if the boat sank. Scary situation though. From: "jonbrush@..." <jonbrush@...> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: Question: There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to the boat?

The review I saw said that a test screening they asked a question after the movie about how it came out and the response was 50% one way, 50% the other. Apparently most people did not think it was ambiguous although clearly you are correct. Allen On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Bruce Bygate <b.… [at] verizon.net> wrote: > > > I thought the ending is ambiguous. You can make it what you want. > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Allen Edwards > *Sent:* Saturday, November 02, 2013 1:25 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) > > > > > > I don't want to see the movie but I did want to know how it ended. Did he > make it or not? So I just read a review that explained the ending. I have > one question for people who saw the movie. As the question itself might > be a spoiler it is below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think he survived? > > > > Allen > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:08 PM, <bi… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > > > The Cals were 1978 models. I had an EPRIB on my 1978 Cal 34 when I went > cruising. But besides no EPIRB, why didn't he take the horseshoe buoy from > the stern of the boat with him into the raft. > > > > Regarding editing inconsistencies and other idiosyncrasies: The storm jib > he "raised" was hanked on. Yet his headstay had a furler and I saw no > padeye on the foredeck to attach a removable inner forestay. Also, the drum > of one of his mast winches was missing in one of the scenes, leaving only > the odd-looking spindle. Perhaps one of the Cals was essentially a beater > boat or had been in the process of being stripped for parts when it was > sold to the film company. In addition, early on in the film when he was > trying to get under way after colliding with the container his jib was > fully unfurled. Yet practically in the next scene when the headstay was in > the shot again, the jib was partially furled. > > > > Still, it was a very good movie. > > > > Baxter Smith > > Baltimore > > -----Original Message----- > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 12:41 pm > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) > > > > Is there a time frame for the movie? Could it have been set pre EPIRB? > > > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:29 AM, <r_… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > I don't know... I thought that shaving and sleeping in the raft were all > part of the character's demeanor. At first, I wondered why he did > everything so deliberately, then I realized that he is old and had > experienced these situations before. He knew what he was doing and chose to > do so at his own pace. Why no EPIRB was my biggest question. The rest of > that stuff can be chalked up to willing suspension of disbelief. I thought > the movie was excellent. > > > > ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <masconsult@...> wrote: > > I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of > quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The > longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have > to provision your self before it descends...... > > > > Cal 2-29 > > Pelican > > San Pedro > > > > > > Mark A. Stahnke > MAS Consulting > (310) 832-5992 > > > > The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the > electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is > confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the > transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or > dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not > the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby > notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us > immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Greg vanDalen <norcalrvf@...> > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) > > > > > > Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so exhausted > that he needed to get some rest, and didn't want to be trapped on a sinking > boat. The assumption is that the tether would break if the boat sank. > Scary situation though. > > > > *From:* "jonbrush@..." <jonbrush@...> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) > > > > > > So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought it > was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t > comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I > do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it > for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: > > There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man > deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the > raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was > sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to > the boat? > > > > > > > > > > >

I can't speak for Leslie, but to me it is not the "tools" that disgust me, but the way that far too many people depend too much on their "tools" to save them, they venture forth boldly assuming that if they get in "trouble", they can rely on others to save them from their own lack of preparation and know-how. A GPS is a tool just like a sextant, as is an EPIRB, but a smart seafarer who is prepared for his/her adventure realizes that these are just "tools" and are not to be seen as saviours to get us out of a situation that we never prepared for. A GPS is more often than not, very accurate........ but just like a compass, the operator must trust it for it's accuracy. It is always amusing to hear how many GPS units "malfunction" in fog, when in fact they are often dead-on, when it is the skipper's "internal GPS" that is giving incorrect info. The skipper "knows" that home is "that way", so why doesn't the GPS agree? Obviously, the GPS must be broken! <GRIN!> EPIRBs are great and have saved many lives, however, they should not be seen as a substitute for being prepared to get one's self out of trouble without outside help...... the EPIRB most likely will summon help, when needed..... but it should not be used in place of proper seamanship. To quote Leslie: "Too many people these days head off on some 'adventure', >unprepared, and when the shit hits the fan, they get on their cellphone and >expect someone to come bail them out. I find that disgusting. Just my two >cents." And I'll add my complete agreement with that "disgust", so that is my additional 2 cents. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 06:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com> writes: An EPIRB is a tool just like a sextant is a tool. How can a tool 'disgust' you? ------------------------------ On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 3:10 AM PDT Leslie Newman wrote: >I haven't seen the movie yet (want to). I think him having no EPRIB is >because he is old enough to be from the generation that, when on an >adventure, one takes care of themselves and are responsible for their own >actions. Too many people these days head off on some 'adventure', >unprepared, and when the shit hits the fan, they get on their cellphone and >expect someone to come bail them out. I find that disgusting. Just my two >cents. > > >On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >> I agree that the movie was fantastic. It's just hard to put myself in the >> same situation, because I know my actions would be very different. He is a >> great actor, and I can appreciate how much effort it takes to do all those >> stunts. >> >> *From:* "r_… [at] yahoo.com" <r_… [at] yahoo.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:29 AM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> I don&apos;t know... I thought that shaving and sleeping in the raft >> were all part of the character&apos;s demeanor. At first, I wondered why he >> did everything so deliberately, then I realized that he is old and had >> experienced these situations before. He knew what he was doing and chose to >> do so at his own pace. Why no EPIRB was my biggest question. The rest of >> that stuff can be chalked up to willing suspension of disbelief. I thought >> the movie was excellent. >> >> >> ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <masconsult@...> wrote: >> >> >> I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of >> quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The >> longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have >> to provision your self before it descends...... >> >> Cal 2-29 >> Pelican >> San Pedro >> >> >> Mark A. Stahnke >> MAS Consulting >> (310) 832-5992<http://us-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=c6vsckh6oaqa9#> >> >> The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the >> electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is >> confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the >> transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or >> dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not >> the intended recipient or the intended recipient&apos;s agent, you are >> hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this >> communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us >> immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Greg vanDalen <norcalrvf@...> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so >> exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn&apos;t want to be >> trapped on a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break >> if the boat sank. Scary situation though. >> >> *From:* "jonbrush@..." <jonbrush@...> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought >> it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t >> comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I >> do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it >> for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Question: >> There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man >> deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the >> raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was >> sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to >> the boat? >> >> >> >> >> >> Do THIS before eating carbs &#40;every time&#41; 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/527517f4d1ca917f43048st01duc

I cannot imagine an experienced blue water passagemaker who would not have an EPIRB in or near his/her ditch bag. Ditto for blue water delivery skippers. With the lower cost and size of EPIRBs these days it's reasonable to carry a couple, just as one might carry a handheld GPS in addition to the ship's chartplotter and paper charts. As for the movie's ending, my companion thought it had one outcome and I thought it had the other. A testament to the filmmaker's creativity. Baxter Smith Baltimore From: Rodney G. Johnson <rj… [at] juno.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:19 am Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) I can't speak for Leslie, but to me it is not the "tools" that disgust me, but the way that far too many people depend too much on their "tools" to save them, they venture forth boldly assuming that if they get in "trouble", they can rely on others to save them from their own lack of preparation and know-how. A GPS is a tool just like a sextant, as is an EPIRB, but a smart seafarer who is prepared for his/her adventure realizes that these are just "tools" and are not to be seen as saviours to get us out of a situation that we never prepared for. A GPS is more often than not, very accurate........ but just like a compass, the operator must trust it for it's accuracy. It is always amusing to hear how many GPS units "malfunction" in fog, when in fact they are often dead-on, when it is the skipper's "internal GPS" that is giving incorrect info. The skipper "knows" that home is "that way", so why doesn't the GPS agree? Obviously, the GPS must be broken! <GRIN!> EPIRBs are great and have saved many lives, however, they should not be seen as a substitute for being prepared to get one's self out of trouble without outside help...... the EPIRB most likely will summon help, when needed..... but it should not be used in place of proper seamanship. To quote Leslie: "Too many people these days head off on some 'adventure', >unprepared, and when the shit hits the fan, they get on their cellphone and >expect someone to come bail them out. I find that disgusting. Just my two >cents." And I'll add my complete agreement with that "disgust", so that is my additional 2 cents. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 06:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com> writes: An EPIRB is a tool just like a sextant is a tool. How can a tool 'disgust' you? ------------------------------ On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 3:10 AM PDT Leslie Newman wrote: >I haven't seen the movie yet (want to). I think him having no EPRIB is >because he is old enough to be from the generation that, when on an >adventure, one takes care of themselves and are responsible for their own >actions. Too many people these days head off on some 'adventure', >unprepared, and when the shit hits the fan, they get on their cellphone and >expect someone to come bail them out. I find that disgusting. Just my two >cents. > > >On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >> I agree that the movie was fantastic. It's just hard to put myself in the >> same situation, because I know my actions would be very different. He is a >> great actor, and I can appreciate how much effort it takes to do all those >> stunts. >> >> *From:* "r_… [at] yahoo.com" <r_… [at] yahoo.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:29 AM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> I don&apos;t know... I thought that shaving and sleeping in the raft >> were all part of the character&apos;s demeanor. At first, I wondered why he >> did everything so deliberately, then I realized that he is old and had >> experienced these situations before. He knew what he was doing and chose to >> do so at his own pace. Why no EPIRB was my biggest question. The rest of >> that stuff can be chalked up to willing suspension of disbelief. I thought >> the movie was excellent. >> >> >> ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <masconsult@...> wrote: >> >> >> I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of >> quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The >> longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have >> to provision your self before it descends...... >> >> Cal 2-29 >> Pelican >> San Pedro >> >> >> Mark A. Stahnke >> MAS Consulting >> (310) 832-5992<http://us-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=c6vsckh6oaqa9#>; >> >> The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the >> electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is >> confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the >> transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or >> dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not >> the intended recipient or the intended recipient&apos;s agent, you are >> hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this >> communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us >> immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Greg vanDalen <norcalrvf@...> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so >> exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn&apos;t want to be >> trapped on a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break >> if the boat sank. Scary situation though. >> >> *From:* "jonbrush@..." <jonbrush@...> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought >> it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t >> comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I >> do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it >> for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Question: >> There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man >> deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the >> raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was >> sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to >> the boat? >> >> >> >> >> >> Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage info.fixyourbloodsugar.com

Amen, Rod. Take Care Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rodney G.Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 11:19 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) I can't speak for Leslie, but to me it is not the "tools" that disgust me, but the way that far too many people depend too much on their "tools" to save them, they venture forth boldly assuming that if they get in "trouble", they can rely on others to save them from their own lack of preparation and know-how. A GPS is a tool just like a sextant, as is an EPIRB, but a smart seafarer who is prepared for his/her adventure realizes that these are just "tools" and are not to be seen as saviours to get us out of a situation that we never prepared for. A GPS is more often than not, very accurate........ but just like a compass, the operator must trust it for it's accuracy. It is always amusing to hear how many GPS units "malfunction" in fog, when in fact they are often dead-on, when it is the skipper's "internal GPS" that is giving incorrect info. The skipper "knows" that home is "that way", so why doesn't the GPS agree? Obviously, the GPS must be broken! <GRIN!> EPIRBs are great and have saved many lives, however, they should not be seen as a substitute for being prepared to get one's self out of trouble without outside help...... the EPIRB most likely will summon help, when needed..... but it should not be used in place of proper seamanship. To quote Leslie: "Too many people these days head off on some 'adventure', >unprepared, and when the shit hits the fan, they get on their cellphone and >expect someone to come bail them out. I find that disgusting. Just my two >cents." And I'll add my complete agreement with that "disgust", so that is my additional 2 cents. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 06:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:no… [at] yahoo.com>> writes: An EPIRB is a tool just like a sextant is a tool. How can a tool 'disgust' you? ------------------------------ On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 3:10 AM PDT Leslie Newman wrote: >I haven't seen the movie yet (want to). I think him having no EPRIB is >because he is old enough to be from the generation that, when on an >adventure, one takes care of themselves and are responsible for their own >actions. Too many people these days head off on some 'adventure', >unprepared, and when the shit hits the fan, they get on their cellphone and >expect someone to come bail them out. I find that disgusting. Just my two >cents. > > >On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >> I agree that the movie was fantastic. It's just hard to put myself in the >> same situation, because I know my actions would be very different. He is a >> great actor, and I can appreciate how much effort it takes to do all those >> stunts. >> >> *From:* "r_… [at] yahoo.com" <r_… [at] yahoo.com> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:29 AM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> I don&apos;t know... I thought that shaving and sleeping in the raft >> were all part of the character&apos;s demeanor. At first, I wondered why he >> did everything so deliberately, then I realized that he is old and had >> experienced these situations before. He knew what he was doing and chose to >> do so at his own pace. Why no EPIRB was my biggest question. The rest of >> that stuff can be chalked up to willing suspension of disbelief. I thought >> the movie was excellent. >> >> >> ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <masconsult@...> wrote: >> >> >> I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of >> quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The >> longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have >> to provision your self before it descends...... >> >> Cal 2-29 >> Pelican >> San Pedro >> >> >> Mark A. Stahnke >> MAS Consulting >> (310) 832-5992<http://us-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=c6vsckh6oaqa9#> >> >> The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the >> electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is >> confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the >> transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or >> dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not >> the intended recipient or the intended recipient&apos;s agent, you are >> hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this >> communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us >> immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Greg vanDalen <norcalrvf@...> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so >> exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn&apos;t want to be >> trapped on a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break >> if the boat sank. Scary situation though. >> >> *From:* "jonbrush@..." <jonbrush@...> >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) >> >> >> So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought >> it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t >> comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I >> do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it >> for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Question: >> There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man >> deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the >> raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was >> sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to >> the boat? >> >> >> >> >> >> Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/527517f4d1ca917f43048st01duc>info.fixyourbloodsugar.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/527517f4d1ca917f43048st01duc>

Been out sailing and just got back online. Rod Johnson, you nailed it. That is what I meant, but didn't word properly. I sometimes flub my emails. Anyway, what Rod said :). Leslie On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) < hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > > > Amen, Rod. > > > > Take Care > > Charlie > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Rodney G.Johnson > *Sent:* Saturday, November 02, 2013 11:19 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) > > > > > > > I can't speak for Leslie, but to me it is not the "tools" that disgust > me, but the way that far too many people depend too much on their "tools" > to save them, they venture forth boldly assuming that if they get in > "trouble", they can rely on others to save them from their own lack of > preparation and know-how. A GPS is a tool just like a sextant, as is an > EPIRB, but a smart seafarer who is prepared for his/her adventure realizes > that these are just "tools" and are not to be seen as saviours to get us > out of a situation that we never prepared for. > > > > A GPS is more often than not, very accurate........ but just like a > compass, the operator must trust it for it's accuracy. It is always amusing > to hear how many GPS units "malfunction" in fog, when in fact they are > often dead-on, when it is the skipper's "internal GPS" that is giving > incorrect info. The skipper "knows" that home is "that way", so why doesn't > the GPS agree? Obviously, the GPS must be broken! > > <GRIN!> > > > > EPIRBs are great and have saved many lives, however, they should not be > seen as a substitute for being prepared to get one's self out of trouble > without outside help...... the EPIRB most likely will summon help, when > needed..... but it should not be used in place of proper seamanship. > > > > To quote Leslie: "*Too many people these days head off on some > 'adventure',* > > > > * >unprepared, and when the shit hits the fan, they get on their cellphone > and >expect someone to come bail them out. I find that disgusting. Just my > two >cents." *And I'll add my complete agreement with that "disgust", so > that is my additional 2 cents. > > > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > > 1979 O'DAY DS II > > former co-owner of "NODROG" > > 1970 CAL 21 > > > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 06:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com> > writes: > > > > > An EPIRB is a tool just like a sextant is a tool. How can a tool 'disgust' > you? > > ------------------------------ > On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 3:10 AM PDT Leslie Newman wrote: > > >I haven't seen the movie yet (want to). I think him having no EPRIB is > >because he is old enough to be from the generation that, when on an > >adventure, one takes care of themselves and are responsible for their own > >actions. Too many people these days head off on some 'adventure', > >unprepared, and when the shit hits the fan, they get on their cellphone > and > >expect someone to come bail them out. I find that disgusting. Just my two > >cents. > > > > > >On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Greg vanDalen <no… [at] yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> I agree that the movie was fantastic. It's just hard to put myself in > the > >> same situation, because I know my actions would be very different. He > is a > >> great actor, and I can appreciate how much effort it takes to do all > those > >> stunts. > >> > >> *From:* "r_… [at] yahoo.com" <r_… [at] yahoo.com> > >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:29 AM > >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) > >> > >> > >> I don&apos;t know... I thought that shaving and sleeping in the raft > >> were all part of the character&apos;s demeanor. At first, I wondered > why he > >> did everything so deliberately, then I realized that he is old and had > >> experienced these situations before. He knew what he was doing and > chose to > >> do so at his own pace. Why no EPIRB was my biggest question. The rest of > >> that stuff can be chalked up to willing suspension of disbelief. I > thought > >> the movie was excellent. > >> > >> > >> ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <masconsult@...> wrote: > >> > >> > >> I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of > >> quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The > >> longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have > >> to provision your self before it descends...... > >> > >> Cal 2-29 > >> Pelican > >> San Pedro > >> > >> > >> Mark A. Stahnke > >> MAS Consulting > >> (310) 832-5992< > http://us-mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=c6vsckh6oaqa9#> > >> > >> The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the > >> electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is > >> confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of > the > >> transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or > >> dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not > >> the intended recipient or the intended recipient&apos;s agent, you are > >> hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this > >> communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us > >> immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> *From:* Greg vanDalen <norcalrvf@...> > >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM > >> *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) > >> > >> > >> Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so > >> exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn&apos;t want to be > >> trapped on a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break > >> if the boat sank. Scary situation though. > >> > >> *From:* "jonbrush@..." <jonbrush@...> > >> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM > >> *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) > >> > >> > >> So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought > >> it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so > can&apos;t > >> comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. > But I > >> do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to > spoil it > >> for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Question: > >> There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our > man > >> deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the > >> raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat > was > >> sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft > to > >> the boat? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Do THIS before eating carbs (every time)* > 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat > storage > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/527517f4d1ca917f43048st01duc> > info.fixyourbloodsugar.com<http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/527517f4d1ca917f43048st01duc> > > >

The movie still could have been set in an earlier, pre-EPIRB era despite the vintage of the boats used. I know that when the movie, "THE DOVE" (about Robin Lee Graham's voyage) was filmed, they used a brand-new (about 1974 or '75) Ranger 23 to appear as the 1956 vintage Lapworth 24 that Graham had actually used. I have watched many movies and TV shows that used boats or cars that were much newer than the time setting of the story, the production company often uses what they can get.... even if it doesn't fit the time period exactly. Incidentally, speaking of sad ends for a fine vessel...... better not let Charlie ever see the episode of "DESTROY-BUILD-DESTROY" (a teen-age game show or sorts that was on Cartoon network I think? Sort-of a teenage "Junkyard War") where they used a couple of "30' sailboats" as the materials for that episode's build. The truth is that those 2 sailboats weren't 30' long.......they were 2 classic CAL 25s! OOUUCCHH!!!! That was one sad show..... still ,I recorded it in case I want to see it again. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 01:08:06 -0400 (EDT) bi… [at] aol.com writes: The Cals were 1978 models. I had an EPRIB on my 1978 Cal 34 when I went cruising. But besides no EPIRB, why didn't he take the horseshoe buoy from the stern of the boat with him into the raft. Regarding editing inconsistencies and other idiosyncrasies: The storm jib he "raised" was hanked on. Yet his headstay had a furler and I saw no padeye on the foredeck to attach a removable inner forestay. Also, the drum of one of his mast winches was missing in one of the scenes, leaving only the odd-looking spindle. Perhaps one of the Cals was essentially a beater boat or had been in the process of being stripped for parts when it was sold to the film company. In addition, early on in the film when he was trying to get under way after colliding with the container his jib was fully unfurled. Yet practically in the next scene when the headstay was in the shot again, the jib was partially furled. Still, it was a very good movie. Baxter Smith Baltimore From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2013 12:41 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) Is there a time frame for the movie? Could it have been set pre EPIRB? On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:29 AM, <r_… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: I don't know... I thought that shaving and sleeping in the raft were all part of the character's demeanor. At first, I wondered why he did everything so deliberately, then I realized that he is old and had experienced these situations before. He knew what he was doing and chose to do so at his own pace. Why no EPIRB was my biggest question. The rest of that stuff can be chalked up to willing suspension of disbelief. I thought the movie was excellent. ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <masconsult@...> wrote: I would stay with the ship as he did in a raft. But rigging a method of quick disconnect and a sharp knife available should be adequate. The longer you can stay with the boat in safe waters, the more time you have to provision your self before it descends...... Cal 2-29 Pelican San Pedro Mark A. Stahnke MAS Consulting (310) 832-5992 The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. From: Greg vanDalen To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) Funny, my wife said the same thing. I guess he may have been so exhausted that he needed to get some rest, and didn't want to be trapped on a sinking boat. The assumption is that the tether would break if the boat sank. Scary situation though. From: "jonbrush@..." <jonbrush@...> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:13 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] "All is Lost" (Spoiler Alert) So I went to see the Redford movie last night, "All Is Lost". I thought it was a great acting job but I am not an experienced sailor so can&apos;t comment on much about the rigging etc. I will leave that for others. But I do have one question which really bothers me. I don&apos;t want to spoil it for anyone so if you want to avoid this, don&apos;t scroll down: Question: There is a scene where the boat is seriously taking on water, and our man deploys the liferaft. He ties a line to the stern rail and jumps in the raft. Then, he goes to sleep. My question is: if you thought the boat was sinking, so much so that you need the raft, why would you tie the raft to the boat? Do THIS before eating carbs &#40;every time&#41; 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5276fdbfc952c7dbf360ast01duc