Re: [Cal_Boats] Boat Storage

I'd say covering the boat is a better idea. At least cover the cockpit to keep snow and rain out, otherwise it is not unheard of for rain/snow to freeze in the scuppers and possibly crack the fitting or hose, plus I have seen cases where the melting snow combined with rainwater has overflowed into the cabin/bilge with disastrous results (picture inboard engine incased in an iceberg). Boat will stay a lot cleaner if covered and suffer less UV damage to gel coat, plus a cover should protect against dirt and grit blowing around the storage yard. Keeps leaves off (they leave hard to remove stains) and will protect against bird droppings, plus in many areas rain and snow aren't "clean" and leave stains form "acid rain". Areas near airports or fossil-fuel power plants are even worse. A properly setup cover with sloped sides will shed the snow better than an uncovered boat, meaning less build-up of snow weight pressing down on deck. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II (stored inside garage) former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 (always covered during winter storage) On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:27:32 -0800 (PST) david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> writes: Went to the yard today and removed pop, beer, water, put anti-freeze in the holding tank. I am unsure about whether to get it shrink-wrapped or leave it bare. I have friends that do both. I am done with plastic tarps, and the constant re-adjustment. The yard positions the boats so they will drain. Shrink wrap costs 1/2 a boat buck, so it's a serious decision to make. I'm tempted to try bare this winter and evaluate in the spring. ??? David Dobbs, CAL29 411 Do THIS before eating carbs &#40;every time&#41; 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/528d2e3363f362e3341fbst03duc

On 11/20/2013 4:47 PM, Rodney G. Johnson wrote: > > > I'd say covering the boat is a better idea. At least cover the cockpit > to keep snow and rain out, otherwise it is not unheard of for > rain/snow to freeze in the scuppers and possibly crack the fitting or > hose, plus I have seen cases where the melting snow combined with > rainwater has overflowed into the cabin/bilge with disastrous results > (picture inboard engine incased in an iceberg). > Boat will stay a lot cleaner if covered and suffer less UV damage to > gel coat, plus a cover should protect against dirt and grit blowing > around the storage yard. Keeps leaves off (they leave hard to remove > stains) and will protect against bird droppings, plus in many areas > rain and snow aren't "clean" and leave stains form "acid rain". Areas > near airports or fossil-fuel power plants are even worse. A properly > setup cover with sloped sides will shed the snow better than an > uncovered boat, meaning less build-up of snow weight pressing down on > deck. I agree with Rod. Some form of cover is much better than none because it protects from UV damage and moisture. Yeah, you may have to readjust the cover's ties if you use a tarp, but it gives you a chance to visit your boat. I use a tarp on the Cal 20. Two years ago i made new supports to raise my mast, the ridge pole for the cover system, so it would shed snow better. I still need to do a bit of snow raking. I could add some under-tarp rafters, but I like to visit my boat anyway. One warning: If the boat's topsides or deck are painted with Imron or other 2-part polyurethanes, a plastic cover against the hull might lead to paint blistering or loss of adhesion. Some of those paints do not tolerate extended exposure to moisture. I think I read on this list long ago about paint failure from extended tacks in ocean cruising or racing. My other boat lives indoors but may have suffered some Imron damage years ago when I had the visqueen cover (keeps dust and dirt off) tied against the hull. Chris Campbell >

Hey Rod, I was off the list for a while and apparently during that time you became the former co-owner of "NODROG". I'm not sure how appending 'former' came about and was about to ask when I noted the 'co-' and knowing how partnerships can sometimes end I become uncertain about asking. I do remember you loving that boat. So, just to be on the safe side, I'm not going to mention anything about the long suffering from neglect Cal 21 that has just gone up for sale at my club Thanks, Craig Johnson 1973 Cal T2 #71 "St. Somewhere" To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: rj… [at] juno.com Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:47:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Boat Storage I'd say covering the boat is a better idea. At least cover the cockpit to keep snow and rain out, otherwise it is not unheard of for rain/snow to freeze in the scuppers and possibly crack the fitting or hose, plus I have seen cases where the melting snow combined with rainwater has overflowed into the cabin/bilge with disastrous results (picture inboard engine incased in an iceberg). Boat will stay a lot cleaner if covered and suffer less UV damage to gel coat, plus a cover should protect against dirt and grit blowing around the storage yard. Keeps leaves off (they leave hard to remove stains) and will protect against bird droppings, plus in many areas rain and snow aren't "clean" and leave stains form "acid rain". Areas near airports or fossil-fuel power plants are even worse. A properly setup cover with sloped sides will shed the snow better than an uncovered boat, meaning less build-up of snow weight pressing down on deck. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II (stored inside garage) former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 (always covered during winter storage) On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:27:32 -0800 (PST) david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> writes: Went to the yard today and removed pop, beer, water, put anti-freeze in the holding tank. I am unsure about whether to get it shrink-wrapped or leave it bare. I have friends that do both. I am done with plastic tarps, and the constant re-adjustment. The yard positions the boats so they will drain. Shrink wrap costs 1/2 a boat buck, so it's a serious decision to make. I'm tempted to try bare this winter and evaluate in the spring. ??? David Dobbs, CAL29 411 Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar decrease fat storage info.fixyourbloodsugar.com

Thank you Rod for the helpful advice on the Cal 21. I do follow the Cal 21 site as well but I knew you were no longer an owner, and there is not much activity there these days. Would you send me your direct email and phone number (I am a real person and not going to sell it to a spam marketer :^). I have a couple of other questions. Jon Brush Boston area jonbrush (at) gmail (dot) com ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <craigjoh@...> wrote: Hey Rod, I was off the list for a while and apparently during that time you became the former co-owner of "NODROG". I'm not sure how appending 'former' came about and was about to ask when I noted the 'co-' and knowing how partnerships can sometimes end I become uncertain about asking. I do remember you loving that boat. So, just to be on the safe side, I'm not going to mention anything about the long suffering from neglect Cal 21 that has just gone up for sale at my club Thanks, Craig Johnson 1973 Cal T2 #71 "St. Somewhere" To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: rjohnson24@... Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:47:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Boat Storage I'd say covering the boat is a better idea. At least cover the cockpit to keep snow and rain out, otherwise it is not unheard of for rain/snow to freeze in the scuppers and possibly crack the fitting or hose, plus I have seen cases where the melting snow combined with rainwater has overflowed into the cabin/bilge with disastrous results (picture inboard engine incased in an iceberg). Boat will stay a lot cleaner if covered and suffer less UV damage to gel coat, plus a cover should protect against dirt and grit blowing around the storage yard. Keeps leaves off (they leave hard to remove stains) and will protect against bird droppings, plus in many areas rain and snow aren't "clean" and leave stains form "acid rain". Areas near airports or fossil-fuel power plants are even worse. A properly setup cover with sloped sides will shed the snow better than an uncovered boat, meaning less build-up of snow weight pressing down on deck. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II (stored inside garage) former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 (always covered during winter storage) On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:27:32 -0800 (PST) david dobbs <tmft567@... mailto:tmft567@...> writes: Went to the yard today and removed pop, beer, water, put anti-freeze in the holding tank. I am unsure about whether to get it shrink-wrapped or leave it bare. I have friends that do both. I am done with plastic tarps, and the constant re-adjustment. The yard positions the boats so they will drain. Shrink wrap costs 1/2 a boat buck, so it's a serious decision to make. I'm tempted to try bare this winter and evaluate in the spring. ??? David Dobbs, CAL29 411 Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/528d2e3363f362e3341fbst03ducinfo.fixyourbloodsugar.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/528d2e3363f362e3341fbst03duc