Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula

My same question for lightning (before or during the race). Also, is lightning a cancellation or a postponement? Around here it is usually a postponement till the storm goes through. Usually pretty quick. The accompanying winds are usually a bigger issue. Is it that way in Easton, Paul?. I am preparing a substantial expose on our Frostbite Series. Publish later today. Bottom line though, is that it is up to the judgment of the RC chairman. Skippers have responsibility to choose to participate or not. Take Care Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:37 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula Allen - So do you quit after the race has started if you exceed 60 points? Just curious - Paul From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula Very cool. I just sent it to my RC chair. I like it. The problem we have is how to determine wind speed. We did a race where the starting line was fairly calm at the start but over 50 knots by the time we finished. The weather report was 40 knots. Do you use the weather report or the actual wind readings before the race? Allen On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:02 AM, <ge… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:ge… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: http://www.fortworthboatclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Go-NoGo.pdf This is to update the link to the "to race or not to race" formula. Once again, it fits us perfectly since it drives the race committee decision making towards safety when conditions aggregate in the extreme. In N. Texas, the limit is lightning. Any appearance of lightning forces the formula to a "no-go". ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>, <geobarlow@...> wrote: http://fortworthboatclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/GoNoGoFormula1.pdf Ok, this is inland lake sailing, but the formula offers guidance to the race committee including factors like wind speed, water temperature. Geo. Barlow Cal 28 no 155 Knackered

From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula My same question for lightning (before or during the race). Also, is lightning a cancellation or a postponement? Around here it is usually a postponement till the storm goes through. Usually pretty quick. The accompanying winds are usually a bigger issue. Is it that way in Easton, Paul?. I am preparing a substantial expose on our Frostbite Series. Publish later today. Bottom line though, is that it is up to the judgment of the RC chairman. Skippers have responsibility to choose to participate or not. Take Care Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:37 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula Allen - So do you quit after the race has started if you exceed 60 points? Just curious - Paul From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula Very cool. I just sent it to my RC chair. I like it. The problem we have is how to determine wind speed. We did a race where the starting line was fairly calm at the start but over 50 knots by the time we finished. The weather report was 40 knots. Do you use the weather report or the actual wind readings before the race? Allen On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:02 AM, <ge… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: http://www.fortworthboatclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Go-NoGo.pdf This is to update the link to the "to race or not to race" formula. Once again, it fits us perfectly since it drives the race committee decision making towards safety when conditions aggregate in the extreme. In N. Texas, the limit is lightning. Any appearance of lightning forces the formula to a "no-go". ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <geobarlow@...> wrote: http://fortworthboatclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/GoNoGoFormula1.pdf Ok, this is inland lake sailing, but the formula offers guidance to the race committee including factors like wind speed, water temperature. Geo. Barlow Cal 28 no 155 Knackered

Charlie - If we see lightning before we leave the dock we'll delay the race up to 30 min. If we see it during the race we call the race and head back to the dock. We've never had to cancel a race due to too much wind. Had 5 cancelled the year before last due to no wind though. Paul From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula My same question for lightning (before or during the race). Also, is lightning a cancellation or a postponement? Around here it is usually a postponement till the storm goes through. Usually pretty quick. The accompanying winds are usually a bigger issue. Is it that way in Easton, Paul?. I am preparing a substantial expose on our Frostbite Series. Publish later today. Bottom line though, is that it is up to the judgment of the RC chairman. Skippers have responsibility to choose to participate or not. Take Care Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:37 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula Allen - So do you quit after the race has started if you exceed 60 points? Just curious - Paul From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula Very cool. I just sent it to my RC chair. I like it. The problem we have is how to determine wind speed. We did a race where the starting line was fairly calm at the start but over 50 knots by the time we finished. The weather report was 40 knots. Do you use the weather report or the actual wind readings before the race? Allen On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:02 AM, <ge… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: http://www.fortworthboatclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Go-NoGo.pdf This is to update the link to the "to race or not to race" formula. Once again, it fits us perfectly since it drives the race committee decision making towards safety when conditions aggregate in the extreme. In N. Texas, the limit is lightning. Any appearance of lightning forces the formula to a "no-go". ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <geobarlow@...> wrote: http://fortworthboatclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/GoNoGoFormula1.pdf Ok, this is inland lake sailing, but the formula offers guidance to the race committee including factors like wind speed, water temperature. Geo. Barlow Cal 28 no 155 Knackered

For our racing, the postponement vs. abandonment decision is based on whether we can get a race in a reasonable time frame. For example, our first gun for Sunday racing is 2 pm. So if it looks like conditions won't improve in an hour or so, it's hard to get a winter race in before sunset if we don't get a start in an hour or so. For changing conditions after the start, it's up to the race committee to shorten course and finish the racers early if need be. Or abandon the racing. Each skipper makes his own decision whether the conditions are suitable for his boat/crew/self. George Barlow On Nov 26, 2013, at 2:57 PM, pw… [at] aol.com wrote: > > Charlie - > > If we see lightning before we leave the dock we'll delay the race up to 30 min. If we see it during the race we call the race and head back to the dock. > > We've never had to cancel a race due to too much wind. Had 5 cancelled the year before last due to no wind though. > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> > To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:52 pm > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula > > > My same question for lightning (before or during the race). Also, is lightning a cancellation or a postponement? Around here it is usually a postponement till the storm goes through. Usually pretty quick. The accompanying winds are usually a bigger issue. Is it that way in Easton, Paul?. > > I am preparing a substantial expose on our Frostbite Series. Publish later today. Bottom line though, is that it is up to the judgment of the RC chairman. Skippers have responsibility to choose to participate or not. > > Take Care > Charlie > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pw… [at] aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:37 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula > > > > > Allen - > > So do you quit after the race has started if you exceed 60 points? > > Just curious - > > Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:23 pm > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula > > Very cool. I just sent it to my RC chair. I like it. > > The problem we have is how to determine wind speed. We did a race where the starting line was fairly calm at the start but over 50 knots by the time we finished. The weather report was 40 knots. Do you use the weather report or the actual wind readings before the race? > > Allen > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:02 AM, <ge… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > http://www.fortworthboatclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Go-NoGo.pdf > > This is to update the link to the "to race or not to race" formula. Once again, it fits us perfectly since it drives the race committee decision making towards safety when conditions aggregate in the extreme. > > In N. Texas, the limit is lightning. Any appearance of lightning forces the formula to a "no-go". > > > ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <geobarlow@...> wrote: > http://fortworthboatclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/GoNoGoFormula1.pdf > > Ok, this is inland lake sailing, but the formula offers guidance to the race committee including factors like wind speed, water temperature. > > > Geo. Barlow > Cal 28 no 155 > Knackered > > > > > > >

Allen, I totally go with the gale forecast. However, around here in the mid-Atlantic coast, there are too many summer thunderstorms that track too randomly for us to use that as a criterion. We wpouldn't go out much. I've sailed through my share of them. When a storm looks imminent, I head for the middle of the Bay rather than to shore/slip. It is too far to duck the storm and would not want to get caught in a thunder storm in the crowded area around Annapolis harbor. At least out in the middle I can go to minimum (or no) sail and be in a reasonably open area so I am less likely to hit anything. Again, I worry more about the wind and rain than the lightning. I put the crew inside the cowl of the shrouds, and I have a wooden tiller. Do have a friend who has been on boats twice when they were hit by lightning. Fried a lot of things, but nobody hurt. There is a lot of luck in sailing and weather anyway.... I hope. Take Care Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:52 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula We don't use that scale and have never called a race. It is up to the individual skippers to decide when it is safe to race. On the race a little over a year ago when the wind caught everyone off guard, all but 3 boats pulled out. I was one of them and ended up winning the race but doing significant damage to the boat. Others were not as lucky as one had a crew member lose a finger. Several other boats were damaged or had torn sails. I would like to see some criteria that calls off races similar to what I used when deciding to go sailing. My personal criteria was if one of two words was in the weather report, I would not go out. The two words are Gail and Thunderstorms. Allen On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM, <pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pw… [at] aol.com>> wrote: Allen - So do you quit after the race has started if you exceed 60 points? Just curious - Paul From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com<mailto:al… [at] gmail.com>> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula Very cool. I just sent it to my RC chair. I like it. The problem we have is how to determine wind speed. We did a race where the starting line was fairly calm at the start but over 50 knots by the time we finished. The weather report was 40 knots. Do you use the weather report or the actual wind readings before the race? Allen On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:02 AM, <ge… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:ge… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: http://www.fortworthboatclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Go-NoGo.pdf This is to update the link to the "to race or not to race" formula. Once again, it fits us perfectly since it drives the race committee decision making towards safety when conditions aggregate in the extreme. In N. Texas, the limit is lightning. Any appearance of lightning forces the formula to a "no-go". ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>, <geobarlow@...> wrote: http://fortworthboatclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/GoNoGoFormula1.pdf Ok, this is inland lake sailing, but the formula offers guidance to the race committee including factors like wind speed, water temperature. Geo. Barlow Cal 28 no 155 Knackered

We get very little lightning here. We rank 51st of all the states and DC. The only lightning protection I have on the boat is the slip. By the way, did you see my article on what happens to a boat that has bonded through hulls when it is hit by lightning? http://l-36.com/lightning_sinks_boat.php Allen On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) < hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: > > > Allen, I totally go with the gale forecast. However, around here in the > mid-Atlantic coast, there are too many summer thunderstorms that track too > randomly for us to use that as a criterion. We wpouldn’t go out much. > I’ve sailed through my share of them. > > > > When a storm looks imminent, I head for the middle of the Bay rather than > to shore/slip. It is too far to duck the storm and would not want to get > caught in a thunder storm in the crowded area around Annapolis harbor. At > least out in the middle I can go to minimum (or no) sail and be in a > reasonably open area so I am less likely to hit anything. Again, I worry > more about the wind and rain than the lightning. > > > > I put the crew inside the cowl of the shrouds, and I have a wooden > tiller. Do have a friend who has been on boats twice when they were hit by > lightning. Fried a lot of things, but nobody hurt. There is a lot of luck > in sailing and weather anyway…. I hope. > > > > Take Care > > Charlie > > > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Allen Edwards > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:52 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula > > > > We don't use that scale and have never called a race. It is up to the > individual skippers to decide when it is safe to race. On the race a > little over a year ago when the wind caught everyone off guard, all but 3 > boats pulled out. I was one of them and ended up winning the race but > doing significant damage to the boat. Others were not as lucky as one had > a crew member lose a finger. Several other boats were damaged or had torn > sails. I would like to see some criteria that calls off races similar to > what I used when deciding to go sailing. My personal criteria was if one > of two words was in the weather report, I would not go out. The two words > are Gail and Thunderstorms. > > > > Allen > > > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM, <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: > > > > Allen - > > > > So do you quit after the race has started if you exceed 60 points? > > > > Just curious - > > > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> > To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:23 pm > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula > > > > Very cool. I just sent it to my RC chair. I like it. > > > > The problem we have is how to determine wind speed. We did a race where > the starting line was fairly calm at the start but over 50 knots by the > time we finished. The weather report was 40 knots. Do you use the weather > report or the actual wind readings before the race? > > > > Allen > > > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:02 AM, <ge… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > http://www.fortworthboatclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Go-NoGo.pdf > > > > This is to update the link to the "to race or not to race" formula. Once > again, it fits us perfectly since it drives the race committee decision > making towards safety when conditions aggregate in the extreme. > > > > In N. Texas, the limit is lightning. Any appearance of lightning forces > the formula to a "no-go". > > > > ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <geobarlow@...> wrote: > > http://fortworthboatclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/GoNoGoFormula1.pdf > > Ok, this is inland lake sailing, but the formula offers guidance to the > race committee including factors like wind speed, water temperature. > > > Geo. Barlow > Cal 28 no 155 > Knackered > > > > > > > > > >

I remember that one, Allen, but it is worth the reminder. I have a bunch of fat copper wires running around in my hull, and they are not connected to anything any more.. Ah, California. A land of extremes. First in population and last in thunderstorms. Those two facts may be related. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:42 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula We get very little lightning here. We rank 51st of all the states and DC. The only lightning protection I have on the boat is the slip. By the way, did you see my article on what happens to a boat that has bonded through hulls when it is hit by lightning? http://l-36.com/lightning_sinks_boat.php Allen On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com<mailto:hu… [at] bah.com>> wrote: Allen, I totally go with the gale forecast. However, around here in the mid-Atlantic coast, there are too many summer thunderstorms that track too randomly for us to use that as a criterion. We wpouldn't go out much. I've sailed through my share of them. When a storm looks imminent, I head for the middle of the Bay rather than to shore/slip. It is too far to duck the storm and would not want to get caught in a thunder storm in the crowded area around Annapolis harbor. At least out in the middle I can go to minimum (or no) sail and be in a reasonably open area so I am less likely to hit anything. Again, I worry more about the wind and rain than the lightning. I put the crew inside the cowl of the shrouds, and I have a wooden tiller. Do have a friend who has been on boats twice when they were hit by lightning. Fried a lot of things, but nobody hurt. There is a lot of luck in sailing and weather anyway.... I hope. Take Care Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Allen Edwards Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:52 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula We don't use that scale and have never called a race. It is up to the individual skippers to decide when it is safe to race. On the race a little over a year ago when the wind caught everyone off guard, all but 3 boats pulled out. I was one of them and ended up winning the race but doing significant damage to the boat. Others were not as lucky as one had a crew member lose a finger. Several other boats were damaged or had torn sails. I would like to see some criteria that calls off races similar to what I used when deciding to go sailing. My personal criteria was if one of two words was in the weather report, I would not go out. The two words are Gail and Thunderstorms. Allen On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM, <pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pw… [at] aol.com>> wrote: Allen - So do you quit after the race has started if you exceed 60 points? Just curious - Paul From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com<mailto:al… [at] gmail.com>> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Go no go formula Very cool. I just sent it to my RC chair. I like it. The problem we have is how to determine wind speed. We did a race where the starting line was fairly calm at the start but over 50 knots by the time we finished. The weather report was 40 knots. Do you use the weather report or the actual wind readings before the race? Allen On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:02 AM, <ge… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:ge… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: http://www.fortworthboatclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Go-NoGo.pdf This is to update the link to the "to race or not to race" formula. Once again, it fits us perfectly since it drives the race committee decision making towards safety when conditions aggregate in the extreme. In N. Texas, the limit is lightning. Any appearance of lightning forces the formula to a "no-go". ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>, <geobarlow@...> wrote: http://fortworthboatclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/GoNoGoFormula1.pdf Ok, this is inland lake sailing, but the formula offers guidance to the race committee including factors like wind speed, water temperature. Geo. Barlow Cal 28 no 155 Knackered