thinking about a Cal 36

Hello, I am looking for a live aboard boat. I am considering looking at a 1969 Cal 36 that I may be able to get a good deal on. I want a boat that is a good sailing boat, and will be taking it out frequently on the Hudson River for now, and may be relocating somewhere on the East Coast. I am not so much interested in a super luxurious boat. I was looking into a Cal 35 and that seems like a really nice live aboard, then this 36 came up. I am aware of the mast step being galvanized steel and it should be suspect. Any other issues with the 36? There does not seem to be a lot of info out there on the boats. The lay out looks to be ok for my use. The one I am looking at has pressure cold water, but no hot. I know I can plumb in the hot, not a big issue. Looking at the few line drawings I cannot tell if there is anyplace to put a shower sump. Anyone with experience with these boats know, is there space to put in a shower in the head? Not looking for continuous use, but would like it to be available. I am still in the stage of trying to decide if I want to make the trip to see the boat.

Yes their is a small hole in the floor in floor pan that drains into the bilge (sometimes it might splash on the beam) you will never find a "Better Sailing boat" our friend just bought one with diesel a new rig for 10k (asking price was 16k) the one in oster bay looks good and and a ball also if you live close by good luck edward Cal 36 #60 'CALIENTE' From: Miatapaul <mi… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:04 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] thinking about a Cal 36 Hello, I am looking for a live aboard boat. I am considering looking at a 1969 Cal 36 that I may be able to get a good deal on. I want a boat that is a good sailing boat, and will be taking it out frequently on the Hudson River for now, and may be relocating somewhere on the East Coast. I am not so much interested in a super luxurious boat. I was looking into a Cal 35 and that seems like a really nice live aboard, then this 36 came up. I am aware of the mast step being galvanized steel and it should be suspect. Any other issues with the 36? There does not seem to be a lot of info out there on the boats. The lay out looks to be ok for my use. The one I am looking at has pressure cold water, but no hot. I know I can plumb in the hot, not a big issue. Looking at the few line drawings I cannot tell if there is anyplace to put a shower sump. Anyone with experience with these boats know, is there space to put in a shower in the head? Not looking for continuous use, but would like it to be available. I am still in the stage of trying to decide if I want to make the trip to see the boat.

We've lived aboard our Cal 36, cruising version (with the raised saloon, doghouse, and less efficient rig) for seven summers, and cruised around the San Juan Islands and southern BC. Love the boat - not fast or close winded by contemporary standards, but not slow either, a pleasure to sail, and very comfortable. We did most of our living aboard at a dock, within walking distance of shore showers. Out cruising, we have a garden sprayer rig - we put a laundry tub in the head and stand in it to shower. Works great, gives you a perfectly good shower with less than a gallon of water (heated on the galley range). We have a house near the boat's slip now and plan to be staying in the area year-round, so are fitting her out for more extended cruising - latest mod being a diesel heater. These are inexpensive, solid, good sailing cruisers. Won't bring you any racing silver, but will look after you well. Good luck with your decisions. Bill Symes S/V Sara E. From: Miatapaul <mi… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:04 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] thinking about a Cal 36 Hello, I am looking for a live aboard boat. I am considering looking at a 1969 Cal 36 that I may be able to get a good deal on. I want a boat that is a good sailing boat, and will be taking it out frequently on the Hudson River for now, and may be relocating somewhere on the East Coast. I am not so much interested in a super luxurious boat. I was looking into a Cal 35 and that seems like a really nice live aboard, then this 36 came up. I am aware of the mast step being galvanized steel and it should be suspect. Any other issues with the 36? There does not seem to be a lot of info out there on the boats. The lay out looks to be ok for my use. The one I am looking at has pressure cold water, but no hot. I know I can plumb in the hot, not a big issue. Looking at the few line drawings I cannot tell if there is anyplace to put a shower sump. Anyone with experience with these boats know, is there space to put in a shower in the head? Not looking for continuous use, but would like it to be available. I am still in the stage of trying to decide if I want to make the trip to see the boat.

Do you think there is enough room under the floor it to put in some sort of sump? If the one in Oyster Bay is the one listed by "Sell your boat now" is the one I am thinking of looking at. Looks quite original but well maintained by the photos. Are you on the sound also? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Helen Horn <helenhorn@...> wrote: > > Yes their is a small hole in the floor in floor pan that > drains into the bilge (sometimes it might splash on the beam) you will never find a "Better Sailing boat" > our friend just bought one with diesel a new rig > for 10k (asking price was 16k) the one in oster bay > looks good and and a ball also if you live close by > good luck edward Cal 36 #60 'CALIENTE' > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Miatapaul <miatapaul@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:04 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] thinking about a Cal 36 > > > > Â > Hello, I am looking for a live aboard boat. I am considering looking at a 1969 Cal 36 that I may be able to get a good deal on. I want a boat that is a good sailing boat, and will be taking it out frequently on the Hudson River for now, and may be relocating somewhere on the East Coast. I am not so much interested in a super luxurious boat. I was looking into a Cal 35 and that seems like a really nice live aboard, then this 36 came up. I am aware of the mast step being galvanized steel and it should be suspect. Any other issues with the 36? There does not seem to be a lot of info out there on the boats. The lay out looks to be ok for my use. The one I am looking at has pressure cold water, but no hot. I know I can plumb in the hot, not a big issue. Looking at the few line drawings I cannot tell if there is anyplace to put a shower sump. Anyone with experience with these boats know, is there space to put in a shower in the head? Not looking for > continuous use, but would like it to be available. > > I am still in the stage of trying to decide if I want to make the trip to see the boat. >

there is a hole in the floorpan, that you could inset a drain fitting like the one that is round, but has been "bent" to a 90 to set into the pan and lead a hose attached to it on the bottom side to one of the further aft keel cavities(we plan to put a sump with a bilge pump float switch which will act as a second pump..highwater style) so none of the shower water gets into the bilge. however, if you reach into the bilge under the beam through the saloon floor plate next to the compression post, you will feel where the possible route for this would be. However, early cal 36s may have slightly different material under there. It should definitely be part of a survey..can't take that part for granted.that beam could be wood, or rusty metal, due in part to small drainage holes that had to accommodate wet locker, anchor locker, and head compartment water paths to the saloon bilge. In addition, we had to re-layup quite a few layers of glass inside the bilge at the turn to the keel, and reinforce the panels crossing side to side in these cavities. If you were to pull up the large floor inspection plate, you can stand on the keel/bilge floor and the actual floor comes approximately knee high. Lots of room in this area of the bilge, about twelve inches wide by about twenty or so,(three compartments) and the bottom of those cross panels have an inch or more of space underneath.this doesnt include the engine bilge compartment which is set a pinch lower, but unless you close off the sections, water can run from the anchor locker to the engine bilge. the sump would be it's own separate box dropped into one of these and secured, open top lower than the floor pan, in case of high water. also remember pump lifting height when you line up with a thru hull exit.and a filter you can access easily. I put a spin-out inspection port in the forward plate to access two thru hulls (toilet intake and head sink drain) and plan to add one to access sump. this does mean your floor covering shouldnt keep you from being able to check these. This is a good time to make a deal on a boat as it's the middle of winter, but don't buy until you look at it. If the oyster bay one interests you, it's on the hard and you additionally can hose down the bottom to see if blister bulges show up. try to drop out rudder and check the shaft if you can, for electrolysis, ours was eaten almost completely through from stray electricity, or crevice corrosion right between the base of the shaft tube and the actual rudder blade. nowhere to put a zinc on this unless you clip it to the tiller head and throw one of those fish type zincs overboard. should you need to redo your rudder and get one from foss, contact us for details of mods needed. also your other bargaining chip is the gasoline engine that is some people wouldn't want. Helen From: Miatapaul <mi… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:55 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: thinking about a Cal 36 Do you think there is enough room under the floor it to put in some sort of sump? If the one in Oyster Bay is the one listed by "Sell your boat now" is the one I am thinking of looking at. Looks quite original but well maintained by the photos. Are you on the sound also? --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Helen Horn <helenhorn@...> wrote: > > Yes their is a small hole in the floor in floor pan that > drains into the bilge (sometimes it might splash on the beam) you will never find a "Better Sailing boat" > our friend just bought one with diesel a new rig > for 10k (asking price was 16k) the one in oster bay > looks good and and a ball also if you live close by > good luck edward Cal 36 #60 'CALIENTE' > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Miatapaul <miatapaul@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:04 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] thinking about a Cal 36 > > > > Â > Hello, I am looking for a live aboard boat. I am considering looking at a 1969 Cal 36 that I may be able to get a good deal on. I want a boat that is a good sailing boat, and will be taking it out frequently on the Hudson River for now, and may be relocating somewhere on the East Coast. I am not so much interested in a super luxurious boat. I was looking into a Cal 35 and that seems like a really nice live aboard, then this 36 came up. I am aware of the mast step being galvanized steel and it should be suspect. Any other issues with the 36? There does not seem to be a lot of info out there on the boats. The lay out looks to be ok for my use. The one I am looking at has pressure cold water, but no hot. I know I can plumb in the hot, not a big issue. Looking at the few line drawings I cannot tell if there is anyplace to put a shower sump. Anyone with experience with these boats know, is there space to put in a shower in the head? Not looking for > continuous use, but would like it to be available. > > I am still in the stage of trying to decide if I want to make the trip to see the boat. >

-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11/27/13, Lene Symes <ls… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: Bill one of the Cal list members races his Cal 36 raised salon in San Francisco Bay and does quite well. I've been enjoying racing my Cal 24 in Cruising Class against earnest competitors. Altho some class members have gone ahead and put in racing bottoms and new laminate, or even 3DL sails, I've done well enough for myself that I've run out of decent areas to put my trophies. I am still using my original 1962 Mainsail altho I've installed many battens to stretch the vertical wrinkles out, and I use a hand me down laminate tri-radial Genoa off a Santana 20 that probably has 7 years of hard sailing on it, and rates as under 140%. Cruising class alters the PHRF handicap for size of sail, type, and extraneous items like lots of chain in the bow, dingy on davits etc., but bottom line is we are having just as much fun racing our boats as guys spending tens of millions...present Cup boats of 2013 not withstanding Jerry Sobel Shpritz Cal 24 Mk 1 #71 (last of the kit boats) We've lived aboard our Cal 36, cruising version (with the raised saloon, doghouse, and less efficient rig) for seven summers, and cruised around the San Juan Islands and southern BC. Love the boat - not fast or close winded by contemporary standards, but not slow either, a pleasure to sail, and very comfortable. We did most of our living aboard at a dock, within walking distance of shore showers. Out cruising, we have a garden sprayer rig - we put a laundry tub in the head and stand in it to shower. Works great, gives you a perfectly good shower with less than a gallon of water (heated on the galley range). We have a house near the boat's slip now and plan to be staying in the area year-round, so are fitting her out for more extended cruising - latest mod being a diesel heater. These are inexpensive, solid, good sailing cruisers. Won't bring you any racing silver, but will look after you well. Good luck with your decisions. Bill Symes S/V Sara E. From: Miatapaul <mi… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:04 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] thinking about a Cal 36 Hello, I am looking for a live aboard boat. I am considering looking at a 1969 Cal 36 that I may be able to get a good deal on. I want a boat that is a good sailing boat, and will be taking it out frequently on the Hudson River for now, and may be relocating somewhere on the East Coast. I am not so much interested in a super luxurious boat. I was looking into a Cal 35 and that seems like a really nice live aboard, then this 36 came up. I am aware of the mast step being galvanized steel and it should be suspect. Any other issues with the 36? There does not seem to be a lot of info out there on the boats. The lay out looks to be ok for my use. The one I am looking at has pressure cold water, but no hot. I know I can plumb in the hot, not a big issue. Looking at the few line drawings I cannot tell if there is anyplace to put a shower sump. Anyone with experience with these boats know, is there space to put in a shower in the head? Not looking for continuous use, but would like it to be available. I am still in the stage of trying to decide if I want to make the trip to see the boat.

Yeah, but the battens Jerry glued to the 50 year old main are probably carbon fiber. :- ] BTW, I believe the interior of the standard CAL 36 is very similar to the CAL 40. They basically chopped the butt off for the CAL 36 (rig is very different tho). Cheers Happy Thanksgiving Charlie Annapolis CAL 25s and CAL 40 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 12:14 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] thinking about a Cal 36 -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11/27/13, Lene Symes <ls… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: Bill one of the Cal list members races his Cal 36 raised salon in San Francisco Bay and does quite well. I've been enjoying racing my Cal 24 in Cruising Class against earnest competitors. Altho some class members have gone ahead and put in racing bottoms and new laminate, or even 3DL sails, I've done well enough for myself that I've run out of decent areas to put my trophies. I am still using my original 1962 Mainsail altho I've installed many battens to stretch the vertical wrinkles out, and I use a hand me down laminate tri-radial Genoa off a Santana 20 that probably has 7 years of hard sailing on it, and rates as under 140%. Cruising class alters the PHRF handicap for size of sail, type, and extraneous items like lots of chain in the bow, dingy on davits etc., but bottom line is we are having just as much fun racing our boats as guys spending tens of millions...present Cup boats of 2013 not withstanding Jerry Sobel Shpritz Cal 24 Mk 1 #71 (last of the kit boats) We've lived aboard our Cal 36, cruising version (with the raised saloon, doghouse, and less efficient rig) for seven summers, and cruised around the San Juan Islands and southern BC. Love the boat - not fast or close winded by contemporary standards, but not slow either, a pleasure to sail, and very comfortable. We did most of our living aboard at a dock, within walking distance of shore showers. Out cruising, we have a garden sprayer rig - we put a laundry tub in the head and stand in it to shower. Works great, gives you a perfectly good shower with less than a gallon of water (heated on the galley range). We have a house near the boat's slip now and plan to be staying in the area year-round, so are fitting her out for more extended cruising - latest mod being a diesel heater. These are inexpensive, solid, good sailing cruisers. Won't bring you any racing silver, but will look after you well. Good luck with your decisions. Bill Symes S/V Sara E. From: Miatapaul <mi… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:04 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] thinking about a Cal 36 Hello, I am looking for a live aboard boat. I am considering looking at a 1969 Cal 36 that I may be able to get a good deal on. I want a boat that is a good sailing boat, and will be taking it out frequently on the Hudson River for now, and may be relocating somewhere on the East Coast. I am not so much interested in a super luxurious boat. I was looking into a Cal 35 and that seems like a really nice live aboard, then this 36 came up. I am aware of the mast step being galvanized steel and it should be suspect. Any other issues with the 36? There does not seem to be a lot of info out there on the boats. The lay out looks to be ok for my use. The one I am looking at has pressure cold water, but no hot. I know I can plumb in the hot, not a big issue. Looking at the few line drawings I cannot tell if there is anyplace to put a shower sump. Anyone with experience with these boats know, is there space to put in a shower in the head? Not looking for continuous use, but would like it to be available. I am still in the stage of trying to decide if I want to make the trip to see the boat. ------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Links

Charlie, That reminds me, I still haven't gotten around to adding another one just below my only reef point. It's going to be 9' long. How did you know I had to replace the end pop rivet that popped out of my other long one? Nah, I WISH they were carbon. THT WOULD BE SOOOOOOO KUEL!! No, they're about one inch wide Fiberglas, maybe a hair less than 1/8" and amazingly flexible and indestructible. I'm too cheap to have my sailmaker make more sail pockets. Besides, they seem to ad more wrinkles in the sails. Jerry -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11/27/13, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: Subject: RE: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] thinking about a Cal 36 To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2013, 9:41 PM Yeah, but the battens Jerry glued to the 50 year old main are probably carbon fiber. :- ] BTW, I believe the interior of the standard CAL 36 is very similar to the CAL 40. They basically chopped the butt off for the CAL 36 (rig is very different tho). Cheers Happy Thanksgiving Charlie Annapolis CAL 25s and CAL 40 -----Original Message----- From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 12:14 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] thinking about a Cal 36 -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11/27/13, Lene Symes <ls… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: Bill one of the Cal list members races his Cal 36 raised salon in San Francisco Bay and does quite well. I've been enjoying racing my Cal 24 in Cruising Class against earnest competitors. Altho some class members have gone ahead and put in racing bottoms and new laminate, or even 3DL sails, I've done well enough for myself that I've run out of decent areas to put my trophies. I am still using my original 1962 Mainsail altho I've installed many battens to stretch the vertical wrinkles out, and I use a hand me down laminate tri-radial Genoa off a Santana 20 that probably has 7 years of hard sailing on it, and rates as under 140%. Cruising class alters the PHRF handicap for size of sail, type, and extraneous items like lots of chain in the bow, dingy on davits etc., but bottom line is we are having just as much fun racing our boats as guys spending tens of millions...present Cup boats of 2013 not withstanding Jerry Sobel Shpritz Cal 24 Mk 1 #71 (last of the kit boats) We've lived aboard our Cal 36, cruising version (with the raised saloon, doghouse, and less efficient rig) for seven summers, and cruised around the San Juan Islands and southern BC. Love the boat - not fast or close winded by contemporary standards, but not slow either, a pleasure to sail, and very comfortable. We did most of our living aboard at a dock, within walking distance of shore showers. Out cruising, we have a garden sprayer rig - we put a laundry tub in the head and stand in it to shower. Works great, gives you a perfectly good shower with less than a gallon of water (heated on the galley range). We have a house near the boat's slip now and plan to be staying in the area year-round, so are fitting her out for more extended cruising - latest mod being a diesel heater. These are inexpensive, solid, good sailing cruisers. Won't bring you any racing silver, but will look after you well. Good luck with your decisions. Bill Symes S/V Sara E. From: Miatapaul <mi… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:04 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] thinking about a Cal 36 Hello, I am looking for a live aboard boat. I am considering looking at a 1969 Cal 36 that I may be able to get a good deal on. I want a boat that is a good sailing boat, and will be taking it out frequently on the Hudson River for now, and may be relocating somewhere on the East Coast. I am not so much interested in a super luxurious boat. I was looking into a Cal 35 and that seems like a really nice live aboard, then this 36 came up. I am aware of the mast step being galvanized steel and it should be suspect. Any other issues with the 36? There does not seem to be a lot of info out there on the boats. The lay out looks to be ok for my use. The one I am looking at has pressure cold water, but no hot. I know I can plumb in the hot, not a big issue. Looking at the few line drawings I cannot tell if there is anyplace to put a shower sump. Anyone with experience with these boats know, is there space to put in a shower in the head? Not looking for continuous use, but would like it to be available. 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Jerry, Even better! I stand corrected. Thanks, and fair winds - Bill From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] thinking about a Cal 36 -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11/27/13, Lene Symes <ls… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: Bill one of the Cal list members races his Cal 36 raised salon in San Francisco Bay and does quite well. I've been enjoying racing my Cal 24 in Cruising Class against earnest competitors. Altho some class members have gone ahead and put in racing bottoms and new laminate, or even 3DL sails, I've done well enough for myself that I've run out of decent areas to put my trophies. I am still using my original 1962 Mainsail altho I've installed many battens to stretch the vertical wrinkles out, and I use a hand me down laminate tri-radial Genoa off a Santana 20 that probably has 7 years of hard sailing on it, and rates as under 140%. Cruising class alters the PHRF handicap for size of sail, type, and extraneous items like lots of chain in the bow, dingy on davits etc., but bottom line is we are having just as much fun racing our boats as guys spending tens of millions...present Cup boats of 2013 not withstanding Jerry Sobel Shpritz Cal 24 Mk 1 #71 (last of the kit boats) We've lived aboard our Cal 36, cruising version (with the raised saloon, doghouse, and less efficient rig) for seven summers, and cruised around the San Juan Islands and southern BC. Love the boat - not fast or close winded by contemporary standards, but not slow either, a pleasure to sail, and very comfortable. We did most of our living aboard at a dock, within walking distance of shore showers. Out cruising, we have a garden sprayer rig - we put a laundry tub in the head and stand in it to shower. Works great, gives you a perfectly good shower with less than a gallon of water (heated on the galley range). We have a house near the boat's slip now and plan to be staying in the area year-round, so are fitting her out for more extended cruising - latest mod being a diesel heater. These are inexpensive, solid, good sailing cruisers. Won't bring you any racing silver, but will look after you well. Good luck with your decisions. Bill Symes S/V Sara E. From: Miatapaul <mi… [at] gmail.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:04 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] thinking about a Cal 36 Hello, I am looking for a live aboard boat. I am considering looking at a 1969 Cal 36 that I may be able to get a good deal on. I want a boat that is a good sailing boat, and will be taking it out frequently on the Hudson River for now, and may be relocating somewhere on the East Coast. I am not so much interested in a super luxurious boat. I was looking into a Cal 35 and that seems like a really nice live aboard, then this 36 came up. I am aware of the mast step being galvanized steel and it should be suspect. Any other issues with the 36? There does not seem to be a lot of info out there on the boats. The lay out looks to be ok for my use. The one I am looking at has pressure cold water, but no hot. I know I can plumb in the hot, not a big issue. Looking at the few line drawings I cannot tell if there is anyplace to put a shower sump. Anyone with experience with these boats know, is there space to put in a shower in the head? Not looking for continuous use, but would like it to be available. I am still in the stage of trying to decide if I want to make the trip to see the boat.

Thanks so much for the info! --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Helen Horn <helenhorn@...> wrote: > > there is a hole in the floorpan, that you could inset a drain fitting like the one that is round, but has been "bent" to a 90 to set into the pan and lead a hose attached to it on the bottom side to one of the further aft keel cavities(we plan to put a sump with a bilge pump float switch which will act as a second pump..highwater style) so none of the shower water gets into the bilge. however, if you reach into the bilge under the beam through the saloon floor plate next to the compression post, you will feel where the possible route for this would be. However, early cal 36s may have slightly different material under there. It should definitely be part of a survey..can't take that part for granted.that beam could be wood, or rusty metal, due in part to small drainage holes that had to accommodate wet locker, anchor locker, and head compartment water paths to the saloon bilge. In addition, we had to re-layup quite a few layers of glass inside the bilge at > the turn to the keel, and reinforce the panels crossing side to side in these cavities. If you were to pull up the large floor inspection plate, you can stand on the keel/bilge floor and the actual floor comes approximately knee high. Lots of room in this area of the bilge, about twelve inches wide by about twenty or so,(three compartments) and the bottom of those cross panels have an inch or more of space underneath.this doesnt include the engine bilge compartment which is set a pinch lower, but unless you close off the sections, water can run from the anchor locker to the engine bilge. the sump would be it's own separate box dropped into one of these and secured, open top lower than the floor pan, in case of high water. also remember pump lifting height when you line up with a thru hull exit.and a filter you can access easily. I put a spin-out inspection port in the forward plate to access two thru hulls (toilet intake and head sink drain) and plan to > add one to access sump. this does mean your floor covering shouldnt keep you from being able to check these. > > This is a good time to make a deal on a boat as it's the middle of winter, but don't buy until you look at it. If the oyster bay one interests you, it's on the hard and you additionally can hose down the bottom to see if blister bulges show up. try to drop out rudder and check the shaft if you can, for electrolysis, ours was eaten almost completely through from stray electricity, or crevice corrosion right between the base of the shaft tube and the actual rudder blade. nowhere to put a zinc on this unless you clip it to the tiller head and throw one of those fish type zincs overboard. should you need to redo your rudder and get one from foss, contact us for details of mods needed. also your other bargaining chip is the gasoline engine that is some people wouldn't want. Helen > > > > ________________________________ > From: Miatapaul <miatapaul@...> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:55 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: thinking about a Cal 36 > > > >  > Do you think there is enough room under the floor it to put in some sort of sump? If the one in Oyster Bay is the one listed by "Sell your boat now" is the one I am thinking of looking at. Looks quite original but well maintained by the photos. Are you on the sound also? > > --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Helen Horn <helenhorn@> wrote: > > > > Yes their is a small hole in the floor in floor pan that > > drains into the bilge (sometimes it might splash on the beam) you will never find a "Better Sailing boat" > > our friend just bought one with diesel a new rig > > for 10k (asking price was 16k) the one in oster bay > > looks good and and a ball also if you live close by > > good luck edward Cal 36 #60 'CALIENTE' > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Miatapaul <miatapaul@> > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:04 PM > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] thinking about a Cal 36 > > > > > > > >  > > Hello, I am looking for a live aboard boat. I am considering looking at a 1969 Cal 36 that I may be able to get a good deal on. I want a boat that is a good sailing boat, and will be taking it out frequently on the Hudson River for now, and may be relocating somewhere on the East Coast. I am not so much interested in a super luxurious boat. I was looking into a Cal 35 and that seems like a really nice live aboard, then this 36 came up. I am aware of the mast step being galvanized steel and it should be suspect. Any other issues with the 36? There does not seem to be a lot of info out there on the boats. The lay out looks to be ok for my use. The one I am looking at has pressure cold water, but no hot. I know I can plumb in the hot, not a big issue. Looking at the few line drawings I cannot tell if there is anyplace to put a shower sump. Anyone with experience with these boats know, is there space to put in a shower in the head? Not looking for > > continuous use, but would like it to be available. > > > > I am still in the stage of trying to decide if I want to make the trip to see the boat. > > >