What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ??

This is my first winter with this Cal. We are in Virginia, so winters aren't typically terrible, but this one might get a little cold. So, I went down last Friday and did my preliminary winterizing. 1. I warmed the engine and then changed the oil and filter. 2. Then I drained the exhaust and inlet water lines. 3. Drained the strainer. 4. Removed the salt water pump, removed the impeller. 5. Removed any container of liquid in the cabin that could freeze. 6. Already had pumped out the holding tank. So I poured RV antifreeze into the head and pumped that in. 7. Sucked what little water there was from the bilge. 8. We didn't use the water holding tanks this season. We bought the boat first of July and the water tanks already had glycol in them. That is still in them. I never bothered draining those tanks. Figured I'd get them ready early next season. I wasn't sure what else to do. I know there is probably some water still standing in the drain line from the cooler to that hand pump behind the sink. Should I worry about taking that line loose and draining that? Should I remove the batteries and take them home...put them on a battery tender? What else? The boat is going to be hauled out and sit on the hard for the winter. Thanks. Leslie Puffin Cal 33-2

I would run antifreeze through the manual and electric bilge pumps and the pressure water pump. If you did not use your pressurized water system this year and the tanks still have antifreeze in them, your water system may be winterized already. Otherwise, you would need to either run antifreeze through all the lines or drain them and the water heater. When your boat is hauled, you MUST open all through-hulls to drain them before they are exposed to subfreezing temperatures. Harleigh Cal 31 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Newman Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:04 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ?? This is my first winter with this Cal. We are in Virginia, so winters aren't typically terrible, but this one might get a little cold. So, I went down last Friday and did my preliminary winterizing. 1. I warmed the engine and then changed the oil and filter. 2. Then I drained the exhaust and inlet water lines. 3. Drained the strainer. 4. Removed the salt water pump, removed the impeller. 5. Removed any container of liquid in the cabin that could freeze. 6. Already had pumped out the holding tank. So I poured RV antifreeze into the head and pumped that in. 7. Sucked what little water there was from the bilge. 8. We didn't use the water holding tanks this season. We bought the boat first of July and the water tanks already had glycol in them. That is still in them. I never bothered draining those tanks. Figured I'd get them ready early next season. I wasn't sure what else to do. I know there is probably some water still standing in the drain line from the cooler to that hand pump behind the sink. Should I worry about taking that line loose and draining that? Should I remove the batteries and take them home...put them on a battery tender? What else? The boat is going to be hauled out and sit on the hard for the winter. Thanks. Leslie Puffin Cal 33-2

Thanks. Yes, that is a good point, remember the thru hulls. I was telling myself that last Friday as I was draining other stuff, but I better put a note someplace so I don't forget once the boat comes out. The water system is already winterized from the previous owner. I used my suction pump and actually sucked all the water from the bilge,so the bilge pump should be empty, but I guess there could be some water in the pump. I guess I pour a small amount of the RV fluid into the bilge and manually turn on the pump. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Harleigh Ewell <hp… [at] hpewell.com> wrote: > > > I would run antifreeze through the manual and electric bilge pumps and the > pressure water pump. If you did not use your pressurized water system this > year and the tanks still have antifreeze in them, your water system may be > winterized already. Otherwise, you would need to either run antifreeze > through all the lines or drain them and the water heater. When your boat > is hauled, you MUST open all through-hulls to drain them before they are > exposed to subfreezing temperatures. > > > > Harleigh > > Cal 31 > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Leslie Newman > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:04 PM > *To:* ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ?? > > > > > > This is my first winter with this Cal. We are in Virginia, so winters > aren't typically terrible, but this one might get a little cold. > > So, I went down last Friday and did my preliminary winterizing. > 1. I warmed the engine and then changed the oil and filter. > 2. Then I drained the exhaust and inlet water lines. > 3. Drained the strainer. > > 4. Removed the salt water pump, removed the impeller. > > 5. Removed any container of liquid in the cabin that could freeze. > > 6. Already had pumped out the holding tank. So I poured RV antifreeze into > the head and pumped that in. > > 7. Sucked what little water there was from the bilge. > > 8. We didn't use the water holding tanks this season. We bought the boat > first of July and the water tanks already had glycol in them. That is still > in them. I never bothered draining those tanks. Figured I'd get them ready > early next season. > > > > I wasn't sure what else to do. I know there is probably some water still > standing in the drain line from the cooler to that hand pump behind the > sink. Should I worry about taking that line loose and draining that? Should > I remove the batteries and take them home...put them on a battery tender? > What else? The boat is going to be hauled out and sit on the hard for the > winter. > Thanks. > > Leslie > > Puffin > Cal 33-2 > > >

Our 33 came with a couple of tees in the raw water for the toilet and raw water for the engine cooling. We have in the past, pumped antifreeze into the head (fill mode) and ran about a gallon into the engine cooling system. It was easy to pump or run the engine until Pink water came out the other end. With the engine line, it also help reduce rusting of the internal cooling system during the long haul out period. I would recommend leaving some antifreeze in the bilge. The mast has several internal/external halyards that may allow water into the bilge from the mast (keel stepped). This will prevent any accumulated water from freezing around the pumps. Even if the PO "winterized" the fresh water system. I would recommend pumping out all the water/antifreeze in the tanks and water heater. We used the glycol "essentially non-toxic" antifreeze one winter. It took all summer and most of the fall to get the "tank" and bad taste out of the system. We now just run the tanks dry, including turning on the hot water to drain the water heater, and leave any residual water in the lines. Even on the hard this has worked. When the boat is in the water during the winter, we leave the water tanks full. The creeks and Neuse River are a great heat sink and maintain above freezing temps inside the boat where the tanks and thru hulls are. If extended periods of cold weather are predicted this winter we may rethink our plan. We at least visit our boat one weekend out of each winter month. Check the drain for the anchor locker. Leaves or debris may clog the line. Should be a small vinyl line visible by removing the panel at the end of the V-berth. If it were to clog and freeze, any water would accumulate in the compartment in the v-berth We also run antifreeze into the shower pan and pump out thru the sump. This should be a visible filter on the starboard side V-berth (where the thru hulls are located) John and Patti S/V Erin Brook Cal 33 Oriental NC From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:31 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ?? I would run antifreeze through the manual and electric bilge pumps and the pressure water pump. If you did not use your pressurized water system this year and the tanks still have antifreeze in them, your water system may be winterized already. Otherwise, you would need to either run antifreeze through all the lines or drain them and the water heater. When your boat is hauled, you MUST open all through-hulls to drain them before they are exposed to subfreezing temperatures. Harleigh Cal 31 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Newman Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:04 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ?? This is my first winter with this Cal. We are in Virginia, so winters aren't typically terrible, but this one might get a little cold. So, I went down last Friday and did my preliminary winterizing. 1. I warmed the engine and then changed the oil and filter. 2. Then I drained the exhaust and inlet water lines. 3. Drained the strainer. 4. Removed the salt water pump, removed the impeller. 5. Removed any container of liquid in the cabin that could freeze. 6. Already had pumped out the holding tank. So I poured RV antifreeze into the head and pumped that in. 7. Sucked what little water there was from the bilge. 8. We didn't use the water holding tanks this season. We bought the boat first of July and the water tanks already had glycol in them. That is still in them. I never bothered draining those tanks. Figured I'd get them ready early next season. I wasn't sure what else to do. I know there is probably some water still standing in the drain line from the cooler to that hand pump behind the sink. Should I worry about taking that line loose and draining that? Should I remove the batteries and take them home...put them on a battery tender? What else? The boat is going to be hauled out and sit on the hard for the winter. Thanks. Leslie Puffin Cal 33-2

Just a few suggestions for you when you haul out and before you commission the boat for the next season. After your open all the thru-hulls, lubricate the valves with white lithium grease. This is available in a spray from your local automotive store, and spray with a straw or supplied tube to get above the actual ball valve. This will provide you with at least a season of easy opening valves. Not sure how your 33 is plumbed, but our 33 we either pumped via the tri-valve into the holding tank or overboard via the thru hull. If any residual liquid sits in the thru hull over time it dries out and is difficult to open/close. Both cockpit drains exit above the waterline. The starboard side drain is actually in the quarter berth. Any leaks may saturate the cushion in that berth. Check the lines as well as the nylon drains for cracks and or signs of deterioration that may allow a leak inside the cabin. Ensure you have positive ventilation in the cabin when you haul out. We have solar vents installed in the v-berth hatch and the main cabin hatch. The two dorades should be turned so if the wind blows from one direction, the other acts as a exhaust. This will help reduce mold during your spring commissioning. Oh, fill your tank with fresh diesel, add a bit of bio-cide. This will help prevent condensation in the tank, and prevent the microbe growth that will plug your filters next summer. Visit your boat monthly at the yard, it's a little different sleeping when the boat doesn't rock, but the solitude of a boat yard may be a nice as a remote anchorage. Bring a heater! Also if you have a couple of small clay plant pots, they work well as "space heaters" when you place them over the burners on the stove. Stay warm, and lets hope for a warm and quick winter season! John and Patti S/V ErinBrook Oriental NC From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john raxter Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:44 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ?? Our 33 came with a couple of tees in the raw water for the toilet and raw water for the engine cooling. We have in the past, pumped antifreeze into the head (fill mode) and ran about a gallon into the engine cooling system. It was easy to pump or run the engine until Pink water came out the other end. With the engine line, it also help reduce rusting of the internal cooling system during the long haul out period. I would recommend leaving some antifreeze in the bilge. The mast has several internal/external halyards that may allow water into the bilge from the mast (keel stepped). This will prevent any accumulated water from freezing around the pumps. Even if the PO "winterized" the fresh water system. I would recommend pumping out all the water/antifreeze in the tanks and water heater. We used the glycol "essentially non-toxic" antifreeze one winter. It took all summer and most of the fall to get the "tank" and bad taste out of the system. We now just run the tanks dry, including turning on the hot water to drain the water heater, and leave any residual water in the lines. Even on the hard this has worked. When the boat is in the water during the winter, we leave the water tanks full. The creeks and Neuse River are a great heat sink and maintain above freezing temps inside the boat where the tanks and thru hulls are. If extended periods of cold weather are predicted this winter we may rethink our plan. We at least visit our boat one weekend out of each winter month. Check the drain for the anchor locker. Leaves or debris may clog the line. Should be a small vinyl line visible by removing the panel at the end of the V-berth. If it were to clog and freeze, any water would accumulate in the compartment in the v-berth We also run antifreeze into the shower pan and pump out thru the sump. This should be a visible filter on the starboard side V-berth (where the thru hulls are located) John and Patti S/V Erin Brook Cal 33 Oriental NC From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:31 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ?? I would run antifreeze through the manual and electric bilge pumps and the pressure water pump. If you did not use your pressurized water system this year and the tanks still have antifreeze in them, your water system may be winterized already. Otherwise, you would need to either run antifreeze through all the lines or drain them and the water heater. When your boat is hauled, you MUST open all through-hulls to drain them before they are exposed to subfreezing temperatures. Harleigh Cal 31 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Newman Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:04 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ?? This is my first winter with this Cal. We are in Virginia, so winters aren't typically terrible, but this one might get a little cold. So, I went down last Friday and did my preliminary winterizing. 1. I warmed the engine and then changed the oil and filter. 2. Then I drained the exhaust and inlet water lines. 3. Drained the strainer. 4. Removed the salt water pump, removed the impeller. 5. Removed any container of liquid in the cabin that could freeze. 6. Already had pumped out the holding tank. So I poured RV antifreeze into the head and pumped that in. 7. Sucked what little water there was from the bilge. 8. We didn't use the water holding tanks this season. We bought the boat first of July and the water tanks already had glycol in them. That is still in them. I never bothered draining those tanks. Figured I'd get them ready early next season. I wasn't sure what else to do. I know there is probably some water still standing in the drain line from the cooler to that hand pump behind the sink. Should I worry about taking that line loose and draining that? Should I remove the batteries and take them home...put them on a battery tender? What else? The boat is going to be hauled out and sit on the hard for the winter. Thanks. Leslie Puffin Cal 33-2

Since we race most of the time we keep our water tanks pretty much empty but when we had our old boat, a CS 30, with only one 30 gallon tank, we'd drain it almost dry and then dump a gallon of cheap vodka in it as we didn't like the thought of drinking anti-freeze "safe" or not. Now with a Cal 39 and two 75 gallon tanks I disconnect the water lines at the pump and blow compressed air through the line and leave them off the pump for the winter. Have had no problems in 5 yrs doing it this way and we don't have any after taste of anti freeze or cheap vodka this way. Paul From: john raxter <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:44 pm Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ?? Our 33 came with a couple of tees in the raw water for the toilet and raw water for the engine cooling. We have in the past, pumped antifreeze into the head (fill mode) and ran about a gallon into the engine cooling system. It was easy to pump or run the engine until Pink water came out the other end. With the engine line, it also help reduce rusting of the internal cooling system during the long haul out period. I would recommend leaving some antifreeze in the bilge. The mast has several internal/external halyards that may allow water into the bilge from the mast (keel stepped). This will prevent any accumulated water from freezing around the pumps. Even if the PO “winterized” the fresh water system. I would recommend pumping out all the water/antifreeze in the tanks and water heater. We used the glycol “essentially non-toxic” antifreeze one winter. It took all summer and most of the fall to get the “tank” and bad taste out of the system. We now just run the tanks dry, including turning on the hot water to drain the water heater, and leave any residual water in the lines. Even on the hard this has worked. When the boat is in the water during the winter, we leave the water tanks full. The creeks and Neuse River are a great heat sink and maintain above freezing temps inside the boat where the tanks and thru hulls are. If extended periods of cold weather are predicted this winter we may rethink our plan. We at least visit our boat one weekend out of each winter month. Check the drain for the anchor locker. Leaves or debris may clog the line. Should be a small vinyl line visible by removing the panel at the end of the V-berth. If it were to clog and freeze, any water would accumulate in the compartment in the v-berth We also run antifreeze into the shower pan and pump out thru the sump. This should be a visible filter on the starboard side V-berth (where the thru hulls are located)< o> John and Patti S/V Erin Brook Cal 33 Oriental NC From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:31 PM To:< /b> Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ?? I would run antifreeze through the manual and electric bilge pumps and the pressure water pump. If you did not use your pressurized water system this year and the tanks still have antifreeze in them, your water system may be winterized already. Otherwise, you would need to either run antifreeze through all the lines or drain them and the water heater. When your boat is hauled, you MUST open all through-hulls to drain them before they are exposed to subfreezing temperatures. Harleigh Cal 31 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Newman Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:04 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ?? This is my first winter with this Cal. We are in Virginia, so winters aren't typically terrible, but this one might get a little cold. So, I went down last Friday and did my preliminary winterizing. 1. I warmed the engine and then changed the oil and filter. 2. Then I drained the exhaust and inlet water lines. 3. Drained the strainer. 4. Removed the salt water pump, removed the impeller. 5. Removed any container of liquid in the cabin that could freeze. 6. Already had pumped out the holding tank. So I poured RV antifreeze into the head and pumped that in. 7. Sucked what little water there was from the bilge. 8. We didn't use the water holding tanks this season. We bought the boat first of July and the water tanks already had glycol in them. That is still in them. I never bothered draining those tanks. Figured I'd get them ready early next seas on. I wasn't sure what else to do. I know there is probably some water still standing in the drain line from the cooler to that hand pump behind the sink. Should I worry about taking that line loose and draining that? Should I remove the batteries and take them home...put them on a battery tender? What else? The boat is going to be hauled out and sit on the hard for the winter. Thanks. Leslie Puffin Cal 33-2

Thanks everyone for all the information. I'll be going down this weekend to do a little more. I plan to sew a boat cover soon. I found a seller on Ebay selling some good fabric for a cover. I'll put my Tacsew industrial machine to work. Leslie On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 6:44 PM, john raxter <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> wrote: > > > Our 33 came with a couple of tees in the raw water for the toilet and raw > water for the engine cooling. We have in the past, pumped antifreeze into > the head (fill mode) and ran about a gallon into the engine cooling > system. It was easy to pump or run the engine until Pink water came out > the other end. With the engine line, it also help reduce rusting of the > internal cooling system during the long haul out period. > > > > > > I would recommend leaving some antifreeze in the bilge. The mast has > several internal/external halyards that may allow water into the bilge from > the mast (keel stepped). This will prevent any accumulated water from > freezing around the pumps. > > > > Even if the PO “winterized” the fresh water system. I would recommend > pumping out all the water/antifreeze in the tanks and water heater. We > used the glycol “essentially non-toxic” antifreeze one winter. It took all > summer and most of the fall to get the “tank” and bad taste out of the > system. We now just run the tanks dry, including turning on the hot water > to drain the water heater, and leave any residual water in the lines. Even > on the hard this has worked. When the boat is in the water during the > winter, we leave the water tanks full. The creeks and Neuse River are a > great heat sink and maintain above freezing temps inside the boat where the > tanks and thru hulls are. If extended periods of cold weather are > predicted this winter we may rethink our plan. We at least visit our boat > one weekend out of each winter month. > > > > Check the drain for the anchor locker. Leaves or debris may clog the > line. Should be a small vinyl line visible by removing the panel at the > end of the V-berth. If it were to clog and freeze, any water would > accumulate in the compartment in the v-berth > > > > We also run antifreeze into the shower pan and pump out thru the sump. > This should be a visible filter on the starboard side V-berth (where the > thru hulls are located) > > > > John and Patti > > S/V Erin Brook > > Cal 33 > > Oriental NC > > > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Harleigh Ewell > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:31 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ?? > > > > > > I would run antifreeze through the manual and electric bilge pumps and the > pressure water pump. If you did not use your pressurized water system this > year and the tanks still have antifreeze in them, your water system may be > winterized already. Otherwise, you would need to either run antifreeze > through all the lines or drain them and the water heater. When your boat > is hauled, you MUST open all through-hulls to drain them before they are > exposed to subfreezing temperatures. > > > > Harleigh > > Cal 31 > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] > *On Behalf Of *Leslie Newman > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:04 PM > *To:* ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ?? > > > > > > This is my first winter with this Cal. We are in Virginia, so winters > aren't typically terrible, but this one might get a little cold. > > So, I went down last Friday and did my preliminary winterizing. > 1. I warmed the engine and then changed the oil and filter. > 2. Then I drained the exhaust and inlet water lines. > 3. Drained the strainer. > > 4. Removed the salt water pump, removed the impeller. > > 5. Removed any container of liquid in the cabin that could freeze. > > 6. Already had pumped out the holding tank. So I poured RV antifreeze into > the head and pumped that in. > > 7. Sucked what little water there was from the bilge. > > 8. We didn't use the water holding tanks this season. We bought the boat > first of July and the water tanks already had glycol in them. That is still > in them. I never bothered draining those tanks. Figured I'd get them ready > early next season. > > > > I wasn't sure what else to do. I know there is probably some water still > standing in the drain line from the cooler to that hand pump behind the > sink. Should I worry about taking that line loose and draining that? Should > I remove the batteries and take them home...put them on a battery tender? > What else? The boat is going to be hauled out and sit on the hard for the > winter. > Thanks. > > Leslie > > Puffin > Cal 33-2 > > >

We keep our Cal 34 in the water all winter, so we don't have much experience with winterizing on the hard. However, based on experience, here is some advice we can offer: 1. Biocide like "kill 'em" is a must for your fuel tank. 2. Dump some anti-freeze in your bilge and pump it through the lines. You may want to keep a bottle of anti-freeze on board and periodically replenish the bilge if rain water/snow melt makes its way down there. If the bilge does freeze, your pump will run continuously so it would be wise to check it periodically. 3. We don't have shore power, so we periodically go down to the boat with a generator to replenish the batteries. In the past, the cold has never negatively affected the batteries. Ours have distilled water in them that does not freeze even in the coldest of winters. 4. We run antifreeze through our raw water system (close thru-hull, open strainer and dump in anti-freeze, run until exhaust is pink). 5. Remove sails, especially if you have rolling furling. You will not believe the number of tattered sails already this winter in our harbor. 6. Tighten lines and halyards before they freeze. 7. Keep a snow shovel in the cockpit (or, like you said, sew a cover). We use an all plastic shovel to avoid scratching the gel coat too much. Happy winter! Bix and Krystin Cal 3-34 Carpe Ventos Seward, AK ---In ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <d21949@...> wrote: Thanks everyone for all the information. I'll be going down this weekend to do a little more. I plan to sew a boat cover soon. I found a seller on Ebay selling some good fabric for a cover. I'll put my Tacsew industrial machine to work. Leslie On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 6:44 PM, john raxter <jraxter@... mailto:jraxter@...> wrote: Our 33 came with a couple of tees in the raw water for the toilet and raw water for the engine cooling. We have in the past, pumped antifreeze into the head (fill mode) and ran about a gallon into the engine cooling system. It was easy to pump or run the engine until Pink water came out the other end. With the engine line, it also help reduce rusting of the internal cooling system during the long haul out period. I would recommend leaving some antifreeze in the bilge. The mast has several internal/external halyards that may allow water into the bilge from the mast (keel stepped). This will prevent any accumulated water from freezing around the pumps. Even if the PO “winterized” the fresh water system. I would recommend pumping out all the water/antifreeze in the tanks and water heater. We used the glycol “essentially non-toxic” antifreeze one winter. It took all summer and most of the fall to get the “tank” and bad taste out of the system. We now just run the tanks dry, including turning on the hot water to drain the water heater, and leave any residual water in the lines. Even on the hard this has worked. When the boat is in the water during the winter, we leave the water tanks full. The creeks and Neuse River are a great heat sink and maintain above freezing temps inside the boat where the tanks and thru hulls are. If extended periods of cold weather are predicted this winter we may rethink our plan. We at least visit our boat one weekend out of each winter month. Check the drain for the anchor locker. Leaves or debris may clog the line. Should be a small vinyl line visible by removing the panel at the end of the V-berth. If it were to clog and freeze, any water would accumulate in the compartment in the v-berth We also run antifreeze into the shower pan and pump out thru the sump. This should be a visible filter on the starboard side V-berth (where the thru hulls are located) John and Patti S/V Erin Brook Cal 33 Oriental NC From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harleigh Ewell Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:31 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ?? I would run antifreeze through the manual and electric bilge pumps and the pressure water pump. If you did not use your pressurized water system this year and the tanks still have antifreeze in them, your water system may be winterized already. Otherwise, you would need to either run antifreeze through all the lines or drain them and the water heater. When your boat is hauled, you MUST open all through-hulls to drain them before they are exposed to subfreezing temperatures. Harleigh Cal 31 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Newman Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:04 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com mailto:ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] What to winterize on my Cal 33-2 ?? This is my first winter with this Cal. We are in Virginia, so winters aren't typically terrible, but this one might get a little cold. So, I went down last Friday and did my preliminary winterizing. 1. I warmed the engine and then changed the oil and filter. 2. Then I drained the exhaust and inlet water lines. 3. Drained the strainer. 4. Removed the salt water pump, removed the impeller. 5. Removed any container of liquid in the cabin that could freeze. 6. Already had pumped out the holding tank. So I poured RV antifreeze into the head and pumped that in. 7. Sucked what little water there was from the bilge. 8. We didn't use the water holding tanks this season. We bought the boat first of July and the water tanks already had glycol in them. That is still in them. I never bothered draining those tanks. Figured I'd get them ready early next season. I wasn't sure what else to do. I know there is probably some water still standing in the drain line from the cooler to that hand pump behind the sink. Should I worry about taking that line loose and draining that? Should I remove the batteries and take them home...put them on a battery tender? What else? The boat is going to be hauled out and sit on the hard for the winter. Thanks. Leslie Puffin Cal 33-2