Re: [Cal_Boats] value

Reggie - For what it's worth, I paid $52K for my Cal 39 in 2008 and it had a new Yanmar installed 5 yrs previous, a new boom, newish radar, chartplotter & rudder. 13 sails in various conditions, cushion covers for all cushions for protection when racing and a newish paint job. This was right before the economy crashed too. It had been on the market for 14 months at 65K so take all that into consideration. Paul In a message dated 2/7/2014 9:12:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, my… [at] hotmail.com writes: market value for our old CALs is always seems too low for the owner and too high for the prospective buyer, and hard to determine for insurance purposes. Can anyone help me find actual recent sales figures on 1970ish CAL 36's or other CALs even closely comparable? Reggie

Reggie, We paid $48k for our Cal39 2 years ago and other than newish rigging and a sound hull, it's pretty much a project boat. We plan on putting another $50k into it and I would be surprised if we could sell her for anything more than we purchased her for. Greg From: "pw… [at] aol.com" <pw… [at] aol.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] value Reggie - For what it's worth, I paid $52K for my Cal 39 in 2008 and it had a new Yanmar installed 5 yrs previous, a new boom, newish radar, chartplotter & rudder. 13 sails in various conditions, cushion covers for all cushions for protection when racing and a newish paint job. This was right before the economy crashed too. It had been on the market for 14 months at 65K so take all that into consideration. Paul In a message dated 2/7/2014 9:12:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, my… [at] hotmail.com writes: >market value for our old CALs is always seems too low for the owner and too high for the prospective buyer, and hard to determine for insurance purposes. Can anyone help me find actual recent sales figures on 1970ish CAL 36's or other CALs even closely comparable? >Reggie >

Reggie, Also for what its worth, I paid $37K for my 1987 Cal 33-2. It also had newish GPS, and sails which are in the process of being replaced. Also yanmar only had 900 hrs. on it. I purchased the boat for $10K less then the asking price. From: pw… [at] aol.com To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 9:46:06 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] value Reggie - For what it's worth, I paid $52K for my Cal 39 in 2008 and it had a new Yanmar installed 5 yrs previous, a new boom, newish radar, chartplotter & rudder. 13 sails in various conditions, cushion covers for all cushions for protection when racing and a newish paint job. This was right before the economy crashed too. It had been on the market for 14 months at 65K so take all that into consideration. Paul In a message dated 2/7/2014 9:12:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, my… [at] hotmail.com writes: market value for our old CALs is always seems too low for the owner and too high for the prospective buyer, and hard to determine for insurance purposes. Can anyone help me find actual recent sales figures on 1970ish CAL 36's or other CALs even closely comparable? Reggie

What was the surveyors results. Did he do a market analysis? The Cruising Cal 36 only had a limited run so it is hard to say. They have listed for 15-30k. some more some less. Randy Cal 2-29 r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: market value for our old CALs is always seems too low for the owner and too high for the prospective buyer, and hard to determine for insurance purposes. Can anyone help me find actual recent sales figures on 1970ish CAL 36's or other CALs even closely comparable? Reggie

Reggie, there is a a NADA guide (and maybe others) http://www.boats.com/boat-content/nada-guides/ I just looked up a CAL Cruising 36 on NADA. The prices apparently do not account for substantial improvements such as new engines, new sails and the like. Max retail about $25, and average price in the teens. Take Care Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 11:14 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] value What was the surveyors results. Did he do a market analysis? The Cruising Cal 36 only had a limited run so it is hard to say. They have listed for 15-30k. some more some less. Randy Cal 2-29 r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: market value for our old CALs is always seems too low for the owner and too high for the prospective buyer, and hard to determine for insurance purposes. Can anyone help me find actual recent sales figures on 1970ish CAL 36's or other CALs even closely comparable? Reggie

Charlie The NADA doesn’t list the cal25s. any other form of reference? Janet plume From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 11:01 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] value Reggie, there is a a NADA guide (and maybe others) http://www.boats.com/boat-content/nada-guides/ I just looked up a CAL Cruising 36 on NADA. The prices apparently do not account for substantial improvements such as new engines, new sails and the like. Max retail about $25, and average price in the teens. Take Care Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 11:14 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] value What was the surveyors results. Did he do a market analysis? The Cruising Cal 36 only had a limited run so it is hard to say. They have listed for 15-30k. some more some less. Randy Cal 2-29 r good <my… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: market value for our old CALs is always seems too low for the owner and too high for the prospective buyer, and hard to determine for insurance purposes. Can anyone help me find actual recent sales figures on 1970ish CAL 36's or other CALs even closely comparable? Reggie

On 2/7/2014 12:01 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > > I just looked up a CAL Cruising 36 on NADA. The prices apparently do > not account for substantial improvements such as new engines, new > sails and the like. Max retail about $25, and average price in the teens. > There is so much variation by region, by condition, by equipment, by appearance, etc. that published numbers aren't likely to be meaningful. There just aren't enough boats changing hands to give a reasonable market to refer to. I wonder if an appraisal by a local broker or surveyor would be more accurate--somebody who has examined the boat, knows the market generally, and can make an informed guess about what it would sell for? My guess is that the real comparison isn't with other Cal 36 sales, since there aren't likely to be enough to provide a meaningful comparison. The real comparison is with boats of similar age, length, condition, and performance. That's where a person with knowledge of values generally and of the specific boat in question can be more accurate than other sources. Chris Campbell > >

Being in the car business all my life. And being a buyer, let must state that each boat will be different and the value will depend entry on the overall condition ,location and life left in the boat. Obviously fresh water northern boats will usually be in better condition than southern boats or ocean boats due to the fact that there are no barnicles. Still be careful cause. A neglected boat, North or south can turn into a nightmare. Rember,condition,condition,condition!!!