Re: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test

Hi Everyone, I'm wondering if the strips were caused when the claws slipped on the sides of the hull when they were trying to crush it? (Near the beginning of the video). CB --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 4:21 PM john raxter wrote: There were several areas where they stripped the gelcoat down to bare laminate. I think John's right. There were quite a few peeled strips on the starboard side and a couple on the port. It's likely that the hull was damaged beyond repair, even though it looked handsome before the crunching started.. The laughter was disconcerting to me. This is not something I would have wanted to watch, at least not done in this manner. If I had a hull that had to be destroyed, I'd probably want to buy a bunch of Sawzall blades or a chain saw and do it myself. Somehow it seems more respectful. Chris Campbell

J30's have balsa coredhulls. Once a Balsa cored hul is saturated......and the rest is history. It looks from the video that they spot tested the hull w/ "strips" and determined it was basicalluy F'd UP!!! Heavy-Spongy-Worthless. To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: we… [at] yahoo.com Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:07:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test Hi Everyone, I'm wondering if the strips were caused when the claws slipped on the sides of the hull when they were trying to crush it? (Near the beginning of the video). CB --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 4:21 PM john raxter wrote: There were several areas where they stripped the gelcoat down to bare laminate. I think John's right. There were quite a few peeled strips on the starboard side and a couple on the port. It's likely that the hull was damaged beyond repair, even though it looked handsome before the crunching started. The laughter was disconcerting to me. This is not something I would have wanted to watch, at least not done in this manner. If I had a hull that had to be destroyed, I'd probably want to buy a bunch of Sawzall blades or a chain saw and do it myself. Somehow it seems more respectful. Chris Campbell Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A

Same problem with a number of the J boat models. Their resale is much impaired because of the balsa core hull problem. Bless our slow, stodgy, old fashioned, solid hulls. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of george macon Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:13 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test J30's have balsa coredhulls. Once a Balsa cored hul is saturated......and the rest is history. It looks from the video that they spot tested the hull w/ "strips" and determined it was basicalluy F'd UP!!! Heavy-Spongy-Worthless. To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: we… [at] yahoo.com Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:07:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test Hi Everyone, I'm wondering if the strips were caused when the claws slipped on the sides of the hull when they were trying to crush it? (Near the beginning of the video). CB --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 4:21 PM john raxter wrote: There were several areas where they stripped the gelcoat down to bare laminate. I think John's right. There were quite a few peeled strips on the starboard side and a couple on the port. It's likely that the hull was damaged beyond repair, even though it looked handsome before the crunching started. The laughter was disconcerting to me. This is not something I would have wanted to watch, at least not done in this manner. If I had a hull that had to be destroyed, I'd probably want to buy a bunch of Sawzall blades or a chain saw and do it myself. Somehow it seems more respectful. Chris Campbell Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now! <http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B0 37MSN55C0701A>

Slow?!? Excuse me? lol I had my 29 out a week ago Sunday and was at 6+ knts over the ground according to the GPS most of the day and walking away from every boat in Bellingham bay with the exception of one Catamaran. Stodgy, old fashioned maybe, solid definitely but not slow at all. Rick Lobb Cal 2-29 "Rebecca Shea" Bellingham, WA From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:09 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Balsa and Saturation (Engineeering Test) Same problem with a number of the J boat models. Their resale is much impaired because of the balsa core hull problem. Bless our slow, stodgy, old fashioned, solid hulls. Cheers Charlie _____ From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of george macon Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:13 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test J30's have balsa coredhulls. Once a Balsa cored hul is saturated......and the rest is history. It looks from the video that they spot tested the hull w/ "strips" and determined it was basicalluy F'd UP!!! Heavy-Spongy-Worthless. _____ To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: we… [at] yahoo.com Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:07:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test Hi Everyone, I'm wondering if the strips were caused when the claws slipped on the sides of the hull when they were trying to crush it? (Near the beginning of the video). CB --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 4:21 PM john raxter wrote: There were several areas where they stripped the gelcoat down to bare laminate. I think John's right. There were quite a few peeled strips on the starboard side and a couple on the port. It's likely that the hull was damaged beyond repair, even though it looked handsome before the crunching started. The laughter was disconcerting to me. This is not something I would have wanted to watch, at least not done in this manner. If I had a hull that had to be destroyed, I'd probably want to buy a bunch of Sawzall blades or a chain saw and do it myself. Somehow it seems more respectful. Chris Campbell _____ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now! <http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MS N55C0701A>

no need to guess when you can ask. this is what i was told by the outfit in Chicago that had the boat destroyed..... That is a video that we actually posted. The hull on that boat was rotting to the point where it wasn't safe for us to use in our fleet. We tried for a year to sell the boat to someone who would have the time to rehab it. Unfortunately we couldn't find anyone interested. So we decided to dispose of the boat in an environmentally sound method. And happened to record the trip to the transfer station. It has been interesting to read some of the discussions the video has sparked. From: george macon <ge… [at] hotmail.com> To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:12:58 AM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test J30's have balsa coredhulls. Once a Balsa cored hul is saturated......and the rest is history. It looks from the video that they spot tested the hull w/ "strips" and determined it was basicalluy F'd UP!!! Heavy-Spongy-Worthless. To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: we… [at] yahoo.com Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:07:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test Hi Everyone, I'm wondering if the strips were caused when the claws slipped on the sides of the hull when they were trying to crush it? (Near the beginning of the video). CB --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@charteri nternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <clcampbell@charteri nternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 4:21 PM john raxter wrote: There were several areas where they stripped the gelcoat down to bare laminate. I think John's right. There were quite a few peeled strips on the starboard side and a couple on the port. It's likely that the hull was damaged beyond repair, even though it looked handsome before the crunching started. The laughter was disconcerting to me. This is not something I would have wanted to watch, at least not done in this manner. If I had a hull that had to be destroyed, I'd probably want to buy a bunch of Sawzall blades or a chain saw and do it myself. Somehow it seems more respectful. Chris Campbell Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now!

I sailed down the Alameda Channel on last Friday and had just my 135 gennie pulled out -- it and the boat are 23 years old. We were approaching Jack London Square where a boat show was on-going and saw two bright new sailboats up ahead out on demo sails. Wind was blowing a steady 8 knots. A brand spanking new Beneteau 34 jibed 20 yards ahead of me with full main and 130 genoa. As I passed this boat the salesmen refused to even glance over at me, but the customers sure took notice! As I achieved full overlap and their sails began to flop uselessly, the salesmen reluctantly gibed away and returned to the docks. Cals Rule! Donald Dutton, 1986 Cal 33-2, "Quantum Evolution" PS The definition of racing is "Any two sailboats, headed in generally the same direction, and within sight of each other!" "Twenty Years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ........Mark Twain From: Rick Lobb <lr… [at] qwest.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:22:20 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Balsa and Saturation (Engineeering Test)(charlie) Slow?!? Excuse me? lol I had my 29 out a week ago Sunday and was at 6+ knts over the ground according to the GPS most of the day and walking away from every boat in Bellingham bay with the exception of one Catamaran. Stodgy, old fashioned maybe, solid definitely but not slow at all. Rick Lobb Cal 2-29 “Rebecca Shea” Bellingham, WA From:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:09 PM To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Balsa and Saturation (Engineeering Test) Same problem with a number of the J boat models. Their resale is much impaired because of the balsa core hull problem. Bless our slow, stodgy, old fashioned, solid hulls. Cheers Charlie From:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of george macon Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:13 PM To: cal_boats@yahoogrou ps.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test J30's have balsa coredhulls. Once a Balsa cored hul is saturated... ...and the rest is history. It looks from the video that they spot tested the hull w/ "strips" and determined it was basicalluy F'd UP!!! Heavy-Spongy- Worthless. To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com From: weehopecal20@ yahoo.com Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:07:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test Hi Everyone, I'm wondering if the strips were caused when the claws slipped on the sides of the hull when they were trying to crush it? (Near the beginning of the video). CB --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Chris Campbell <clcampbell@charteri nternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <clcampbell@charteri nternet.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 4:21 PM john raxter wrote: There were several areas where they stripped the gelcoat down to bare laminate. I think John's right. There were quite a few peeled strips on the starboard side and a couple on the port. It's likely that the hull was damaged beyond repair, even though it looked handsome before the crunching started. The laughter was disconcerting to me. This is not something I would have wanted to watch, at least not done in this manner. If I had a hull that had to be destroyed, I'd probably want to buy a bunch of Sawzall blades or a chain saw and do it myself. Somehow it seems more respectful. Chris Campbell Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. Download FREE now!

I think there was some kind of core problem in the bottom laminate, note the cut-away strips on the starboard side. However...... I would think that could have been fixed (I agree, not cheap!!), rather than drop her off ant the city dump to be crushed! It really hurt to hear all the laughter in the background, I would have been crying my eyes out if she were my boat (or even if I had only been the person that had to transport her!). At least they appear to have stripped all useable parts off first, but still sad! I remember the day that I sold my first "real" sailboat (1969 O'DAY Widgeon, 12') and how I just couldn't get anything done the rest of the day, and ditto the day the new owners picked her up a month later...... I was in tears as I watched her leave our driveway (heck, I'm getting misty-eyed right now remember it!). It was the same thing (without the tears, not sure why?) the day that I watched the new owners of "NODROG" (our old 1970 CAL 21) sail her out of Wareham, bound for their home port........ I was in a somber mood the rest of the day...... Glad to see her go to a new, good home..... but still sad remembering fondly our 38 years of sailing her! How can anyone with even an ounce of "heart" laugh as a fine sailboat is crushed unceremoniously?? Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:36:08 -0400 "Alfred Poor" <ap… [at] bellatlantic.net> writes: Just how durable is the typical fiberglass boat? Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgs6BQuDqa0 Warning: not for the faint hearted. If you love your boat, you may not want to see this. Alfred The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar &#40;Don&#39;t Eat This!&#41; http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53ee68e11588368e16160st01duc

Second try, YAHOO didn't post my reply..only Alfred's original message? I think there was some kind of core problem in the bottom laminate, note the cut-away strips on the starboard side. However...... I would think that could have been fixed (I agree, not cheap!!), rather than drop her off ant the city dump to be crushed! It really hurt to hear all the laughter in the background, I would have been crying my eyes out if she were my boat (or even if I had only been the person that had to transport her!). At least they appear to have stripped all useable parts off first, but still sad! I remember the day that I sold my first "real" sailboat (1969 O'DAY Widgeon, 12') and how I just couldn't get anything done the rest of the day, and ditto the day the new owners picked her up a month later...... I was in tears as I watched her leave our driveway (heck, I'm getting misty-eyed right now remember it!). It was the same thing (without the tears, not sure why?) the day that I watched the new owners of "NODROG" (our old 1970 CAL 21) sail her out of Wareham, bound for their home port........ I was in a somber mood the rest of the day...... Glad to see her go to a new, good home..... but still sad remembering fondly our 38 years of sailing her! How can anyone with even an ounce of "heart" laugh as a fine sailboat is crushed unceremoniously?? Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 former co-owner of "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 16:08:39 -0400 "rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: Just how durable is the typical fiberglass boat? Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgs6BQuDqa0 Warning: not for the faint hearted. If you love your boat, you may not want to see this. Alfred The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) FixYourBloodSugar.com

Yes, I remember someone posting this a whole back. Original date 2009. Maybe posted by Brian Cleverly when he had to do a similar trash job on his dream boat. I recall someone saying the layup on the fiberglass failed beyond repair. Reasonable repair cost anyway. Sad to see anyway John Raxter Cal 33 Oriental NC > On Aug 15, 2014, at 4:12 PM, "rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > [Attachment(s) from rj… [at] juno.com included below] > > Second try, YAHOO didn't post my reply..only Alfred's original message? > > I think there was some kind of core problem in the bottom laminate, note the cut-away strips on the starboard side. However...... I would think that could have been fixed (I agree, not cheap!!), rather than drop her off ant the city dump to be crushed! > It really hurt to hear all the laughter in the background, I would have been crying my eyes out if she were my boat (or even if I had only been the person that had to transport her!). At least they appear to have stripped all useable parts off first, but still sad! > > I remember the day that I sold my first "real" sailboat (1969 O'DAY Widgeon, 12') and how I just couldn't get anything done the rest of the day, and ditto the day the new owners picked her up a month later...... I was in tears as I watched her leave our driveway (heck, I'm getting misty-eyed right now remember it!). It was the same thing (without the tears, not sure why?) the day that I watched the new owners of "NODROG" (our old 1970 CAL 21) sail her out of Wareham, bound for their home port........ I was in a somber mood the rest of the day...... Glad to see her go to a new, good home..... but still sad remembering fondly our 38 years of sailing her! > > How can anyone with even an ounce of "heart" laugh as a fine sailboat is crushed unceremoniously?? > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 > former co-owner of "NODROG" > 1970 CAL 21 #285 > > On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 16:08:39 -0400 "rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: > > Just how durable is the typical fiberglass boat? Check this out: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgs6BQuDqa0 > > > Warning: not for the faint hearted. If you love your boat, you may not want to see this. > > > Alfred > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > The #1 Worst Carb Ever? > Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) > FixYourBloodSugar.com > > > <nc3=3>

I tried to watch the video, but it was too sad. I stopped. Michael Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

I Remeber this also. It was a J29. The water had saturated the balsa core. Sad indeed. Randy Cal 2 29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3 <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: "rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> </div><div>Date:08/15/2014 1:08 PM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com </div><div>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Engineering test </div><div> </div>Just how durable is the typical fiberglass boat? Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgs6BQuDqa0 Warning: not for the faint hearted. If you love your boat, you may not want to see this. Alfred The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't Eat This!) FixYourBloodSugar.com