Magic for Sale

All, My wife and I are looking to sell Magic, our Cal 2-27. She's in great condition for a 35 year old hull, and we have loaded her with all kinds of extras. As we are so fond of Magic, we have been unable to decide what price we should list her at, so I am asking the Cal list for some advice. Attached is a PDF with some details. Please take a look and let me know what you think. Brutal honesty will be appreciated. Thanks! Michael

Looking at yacht broker, cal 2-27 rang from $7,500 to $9,500. Their is one in our marina next to us that re-powered and is listed at 12,500. It hasn't sold since it was listed 4-5 years ago. I know broker fees are high, they do provide a service in listing boats and providing actual sales data for fair pricing. My conversations with brokers, in this price range, buyers are looking for deals, not for dream boats. John Cal 33 Oriental NC > On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:48 AM, "Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > [Attachment(s) from Michael D included below] > All, > > My wife and I are looking to sell Magic, our Cal 2-27. She's in great condition for a 35 year old hull, and we have loaded her with all kinds of extras. As we are so fond of Magic, we have been unable to decide what price we should list her at, so I am asking the Cal list for some advice. Attached is a PDF with some details. Please take a look and let me know what you think. Brutal honesty will be appreciated. > > Thanks! > Michael >

Good Morning John, Thanks for the input. That's a sobering observation. Michael From: "John Raxter jr… [at] triad.rr.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Magic for Sale Looking at yacht broker, cal 2-27 rang from $7,500 to $9,500. Their is one in our marina next to us that re-powered and is listed at 12,500. It hasn't sold since it was listed 4-5 years ago. I know broker fees are high, they do provide a service in listing boats and providing actual sales data for fair pricing. My conversations with brokers, in this price range, buyers are looking for deals, not for dream boats. John Cal 33 Oriental NC On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:48 AM, "Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >All, > > >My wife and I are looking to sell Magic, our Cal 2-27. She's in great condition for a 35 year old hull, and we have loaded her with all kinds of extras. As we are so fond of Magic, we have been unable to decide what price we should list her at, so I am asking the Cal list for some advice. Attached is a PDF with some details. Please take a look and let me know what you think. Brutal honesty will be appreciated. > > >Thanks! >Michael

Get the book "How to Sell a Sailboat" by William Hughes, www.sailboatsfor profit.com, and sell the boat yourself. Do not use a broker. Ask $14,000. BEST SpaceSailboat On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Good Morning John, > > Thanks for the input. That's a sobering observation. > > Michael > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "John Raxter jr… [at] triad.rr.com [Cal_Boats]" < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Monday, September 8, 2014 9:25 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Magic for Sale > > > Looking at yacht broker, cal 2-27 rang from $7,500 to $9,500. Their is > one in our marina next to us that re-powered and is listed at 12,500. It > hasn't sold since it was listed 4-5 years ago. > > I know broker fees are high, they do provide a service in listing boats > and providing actual sales data for fair pricing. > > My conversations with brokers, in this price range, buyers are looking for > deals, not for dream boats. > > John > Cal 33 > Oriental NC > > > > On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:48 AM, "Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > All, > > My wife and I are looking to sell Magic, our Cal 2-27. She's in great > condition for a 35 year old hull, and we have loaded her with all kinds of > extras. As we are so fond of Magic, we have been unable to decide what > price we should list her at, so I am asking the Cal list for some advice. > Attached is a PDF with some details. Please take a look and let me know > what you think. Brutal honesty will be appreciated. > > Thanks! > Michael > > > > >

On 9/8/2014 8:48 AM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Michael D included below] > > All, > > My wife and I are looking to sell Magic, our Cal 2-27. She's in great > condition for a 35 year old hull, and we have loaded her with all > kinds of extras. As we are so fond of Magic, we have been unable to > decide what price we should list her at, so I am asking the Cal list > for some advice. Attached is a PDF with some details. Please take a > look and let me know what you think. Brutal honesty will be appreciated. Be careful about inviting brutal honesty. Sometimes it's more brutal than honest. With old fiberglass boats, it's always possible to find the same model boat for almost no money--maybe even free. But the cheap or free boat won't have the upgraded equipment or the care and maintenance that a dedicated owner has provided. Your boat looks to be in safe sail-away condition. The cheap/free boat would not be. You should not be reluctant to tout the advantages of a well-kept boat. Chris campbell

I have a couple of thoughts that don't really answer your original question, but go to the heart of what we grapple with when we contemplate moving up to a larger boat. First, one of the predictably irrational thoughts that all of us have is that we tend to overvalue what we have (see the book by behavioral economist Dan Ariely). This is accentuated by the amount of loving labor we put into them. Hence, we want more for our boats then the market will usually give us. Secondly, whenever I think of moving up to a larger boat, I think of the years of work and thousands of dollars of upgrades I have already put in. Your list is even longer than mine. If I buy a new boat in my price range I will inevitably start all over again with the process. Unless of course I can buy my new used boat from someone like you. This always gives me pause and my 29 footer looks pretty darn good to me. I would imagine you are having some of the same thoughts. My plan is to wait for the perfect new boat to come along before pulling the trigger on a move up. Then I will be willing to let go of some value on my current boat rather than spend half or more its value on moorage waiting for a buyer as I have seen some do. I have enjoyed your contributions to the list. Maybe you can find a larger Cal..... Terry Spencer Cal 2-29 Capriccio Tacoma On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:48 AM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > [Attachment(s) from Michael D included below] > > All, > > My wife and I are looking to sell Magic, our Cal 2-27. She's in great condition for a 35 year old hull, and we have loaded her with all kinds of extras. As we are so fond of Magic, we have been unable to decide what price we should list her at, so I am asking the Cal list for some advice. Attached is a PDF with some details. Please take a look and let me know what you think. Brutal honesty will be appreciated. > > Thanks! > Michael > >

one for 15k in Bayview Idaho. Looked nice at a glance. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:40:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Magic for Sale On 9/8/2014 8:48 AM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: All, My wife and I are looking to sell Magic, our Cal 2-27. She's in great condition for a 35 year old hull, and we have loaded her with all kinds of extras. As we are so fond of Magic, we have been unable to decide what price we should list her at, so I am asking the Cal list for some advice. Attached is a PDF with some details. Please take a look and let me know what you think. Brutal honesty will be appreciated. Be careful about inviting brutal honesty. Sometimes it's more brutal than honest. With old fiberglass boats, it's always possible to find the same model boat for almost no money--maybe even free. But the cheap or free boat won't have the upgraded equipment or the care and maintenance that a dedicated owner has provided. Your boat looks to be in safe sail-away condition. The cheap/free boat would not be. You should not be reluctant to tout the advantages of a well-kept boat. Chris campbell

I paid $10,000 for mine ('75) a couple of years ago. It was in excellent shape, repowered with a Kubota diesel. Best money I ever spent. From: "John Raxter jr… [at] triad.rr.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Magic for Sale Looking at yacht broker, cal 2-27 rang from $7,500 to $9,500. Their is one in our marina next to us that re-powered and is listed at 12,500. It hasn't sold since it was listed 4-5 years ago. I know broker fees are high, they do provide a service in listing boats and providing actual sales data for fair pricing. My conversations with brokers, in this price range, buyers are looking for deals, not for dream boats. John Cal 33 Oriental NC On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:48 AM, "Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >All, > > >My wife and I are looking to sell Magic, our Cal 2-27. She's in great condition for a 35 year old hull, and we have loaded her with all kinds of extras. As we are so fond of Magic, we have been unable to decide what price we should list her at, so I am asking the Cal list for some advice. Attached is a PDF with some details. Please take a look and let me know what you think. Brutal honesty will be appreciated. > > >Thanks! >Michael