8 messages2014-10-15 13:23 UTCthrough 2014-10-24 19:24 UTC
Spinnaker on eBay
David Owen2014-10-15 13:23 UTC
Guys,
I have listed an really excellent spinnaker for a friend on eBay. It’s going to go really cheap as it stands now. I suspect it would fit a 29-34 Cal.
Sorry if anybody thinks I am spamming, but it’s going really cheap and I’d like to help a Cal friend while helping my local buddy too. He had a Beneteau 311 for a while - didn’t use it much at all.
http://tinyurl.com/lsby2fc
Wilkie
Columbus Day Regatta - Miami FL - Biscayne Bay
Michael D2014-10-20 19:21 UTC
All,
Magic competed for her fourth time in the Columbus Day Regatta, October 11-12. Sailing conditions were near perfect both days. Magic was awarded a yellow flag on Saturday for placing first in her class, ARC 2. Sunday did not turn out as good, and in the end Magic took 2nd place overall in ARC 2, twenty-seven seconds behind first place.
The Admiral still wants a bigger boat.....
Michael
s/v Magic, Cal 2-27
Pompano Beach, FL
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Timm Lessley2014-10-22 05:16 UTC
F'N AWESOME!!!
Cal's rock!! Always and forever.
dEmO the envious
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All,
Magic competed for her fourth time in the Columbus Day Regatta, October
11-12. Sailing conditions were near perfect both days. Magic was awarded a
yellow flag on Saturday for placing first in her class, ARC 2. Sunday did
not turn out as good, and in the end Magic took 2nd place overall in ARC 2,
twenty-seven seconds behind first place.
The Admiral still wants a bigger boat.....
Michael
s/v Magic, Cal 2-27
Pompano Beach, FL
Bigger boats (was Columbus Day Regatta - Miami FL - Biscayne Bay)
ccampbell2014-10-22 14:44 UTC
On 10/20/2014 3:21 PM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote:
>
>
> The Admiral still wants a bigger boat.....
Here's a cautionary tale. The right sized boat depends a lot of your
sailing circumstances. If you always have a big crew ready to go,
bigger boats can be fun and useful. But if you sail single-handed or
with limited crew, a bigger boat may mean less sailing.
My theory is that generally, smaller boats get sailed more. You can
sail single- or short-handed. You don't need a big crew to manage the
boat. You don't need as much muscle.
My boats are the Cal 20 and a 1961 Seafarer of 26'3". Both have
relatively small sails and are easy to handle alone (especially the Cal
20). I can go sailing any time I want, weather cooperating. My friend,
a former boss at a sailing school/rental operation where I worked during
college days, has a nice 41 foot C&C. He's an excellent sailor and
likes his boat, but he's a decade older than I am and the physical
demands of handling a large boat are a limiting factor for him. He's
rigged a big battery-powered electric wrench to run the main halyard and
other winches (that mainsail is HEAVY), but it's still hard for him. He
was lamenting the limited sailing he's done on his boat this summer. I
also look around the mooring field and marinas where my Cal 20 lives,
and I see lots of big boats that don't get sailed much. The boats that
are always out there for a few hours on a summer evening are the small
ones, <30'. They can be sailed alone or by a couple. And so they are.
Again, some boat owners have lots of available crew. The biggest active
yacht where my Seafarer lives is a 54' aluminum Gary Mull hull. She's
always sailing and usually has about 20 people aboard. If you've got 4
people out of the 20 who know what they're doing, that will work.
So be careful what you wish for. Think carefully about the practical
issues of sailing a larger boat. And we haven't even touched on the
cost issues.
Chris Campbell
>
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Bigger boats
pw… [at] aol.com2014-10-22 15:06 UTC
I can relate to that. I wanted a bigger boat to do some long distance cruising and the Bermuda race. We had our old boat for sale, a CS 30, which isn't small but was easily handled by the two of us, and hell we even raced spinnaker with it several times with just 3 of us (light air mind you). When we were looking for our boat, the old one was totaled in a yard fire so we couldn't just change our minds . . . and yes we could have bought another 30 footer but we both wanted to move up.
Well we found a very nice Cal 39 that had a lot of upgrades (newer Yanmar, new boom, chart plotter, radar & rudder but things it didn't have that make it easier for 2 people to sail were self tailing winches, lazy jacks, or a roller furler and we still don't have those things as we mostly race with a crew. We now have a used roller furler but it's not installed yet and when I get around to it I can make my own lazy jacks so I'm not too worried. I'd really like to find some good used ST winches so if anyone comes across any big'uns let me know.
Paul
Cal 39 MKIII
From: ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 22, 2014 10:45 am
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Bigger boats (was Columbus Day Regatta - Miami FL - Biscayne Bay)
On 10/20/2014 3:21 PM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote:
The Admiral still wants a bigger boat.....
Here's a cautionary tale. The right sized boat depends a lot of your sailing circumstances. If you always have a big crew ready to go, bigger boats can be fun and useful. But if you sail single-handed or with limited crew, a bigger boat may mean less sailing.
My theory is that generally, smaller boats get sailed more. You can sail single- or short-handed. You don't need a big crew to manage the boat. You don't need as much muscle.
My boats are the Cal 20 and a 1961 Seafarer of 26'3". Both have relatively small sails and are easy to handle alone (especially the Cal 20). I can go sailing any time I want, weather cooperating. My friend, a former boss at a sailing school/rental operation where I worked during college days, has a nice 41 foot C&C. He's an excellent sailor and likes his boat, but he's a decade older than I am and the physical demands of handling a large boat are a limiting factor for him. He's rigged a big battery-powered electric wrench to run the main halyard and other winches (that mainsail is HEAVY), but it's still hard for him. He was lamenting the limited sailing he's done on his boat this summer. I also look around the mooring field and marinas where my Cal 20 lives, and I see lots of big boats that don't get sailed much. The boats that are always out there for a few hours on a summer evening are the small ones, <30'. They can be sailed alone or by a couple. And so they are.
Again, some boat owners have lots of available crew. The biggest active yacht where my Seafarer lives is a 54' aluminum Gary Mull hull. She's always sailing and usually has about 20 people aboard. If you've got 4 people out of the 20 who know what they're doing, that will work.
So be careful what you wish for. Think carefully about the practical issues of sailing a larger boat. And we haven't even touched on the cost issues.
Chris Campbell
Re: [Cal_Boats] Bigger boats
Greg vanDalen2014-10-22 15:32 UTC
I will echo what Paul said. We had a Catalina 27 that made it very easy to just jump on and go sailing. Our long term plans were to go cruising so we ended up with a Cal 39 that we are putting our heart and soul into to get ready. However, there are lots of days when I'm walking down the dock saying to my wife how I miss just getting on our little boat to go sailing. Everything was so easy to handle with 2 people and we could dock it in a breeze with no problem.
Greg
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On Wed, 10/22/14, pw… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Bigger boats
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2014, 8:06 AM
I can relate to that. I wanted a
bigger boat to do some long distance cruising and the
Bermuda race. We had our old boat for sale, a CS 30, which
isn't small but was easily handled by the two of us, and
hell we even raced spinnaker with it several times with just
3 of us (light air mind you). When we were looking for our
boat, the old one was totaled in a yard fire so we
couldn't just change our minds . . . and yes we could
have bought another 30 footer but we both wanted to move up.
Well we found a very nice Cal 39 that had a lot of
upgrades (newer Yanmar, new boom, chart plotter, radar &
rudder but things it didn't have that make it easier for
2 people to sail were self tailing winches, lazy jacks, or a
roller furler and we still don't have those things as we
mostly race with a crew. We now have a used roller furler
but it's not installed yet and when I get around to it I
can make my own lazy jacks so I'm not too worried.
I'd really like to find some good used ST winches so
if anyone comes across any big'uns let me know.
Paul
Cal 39 MKIII
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Sent: Wed, Oct 22, 2014 10:45 am
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Bigger boats (was Columbus Day Regatta
- Miami FL - Biscayne Bay)
On 10/20/2014 3:21
PM, Michael D
md… [at] yahoo.com
[Cal_Boats] wrote:
The
Admiral still wants a bigger boat.....
Here's a cautionary tale. The right sized boat
depends a lot of
your sailing circumstances. If you always have a big
crew ready to
go, bigger boats can be fun and useful. But if you
sail
single-handed or with limited crew, a bigger boat may
mean less
sailing.
My theory is that generally, smaller boats get sailed
more. You can
sail single- or short-handed. You don't need a big
crew to manage
the boat. You don't need as much muscle.
My boats are the Cal 20 and a 1961 Seafarer of
26'3". Both have
relatively small sails and are easy to handle alone
(especially the
Cal 20). I can go sailing any time I want, weather
cooperating. My
friend, a former boss at a sailing school/rental
operation where I
worked during college days, has a nice 41 foot
C&C. He's an
excellent sailor and likes his boat, but he's a
decade older than I
am and the physical demands of handling a large boat are
a limiting
factor for him. He's rigged a big battery-powered
electric wrench
to run the main halyard and other winches (that mainsail
is HEAVY),
but it's still hard for him. He was lamenting the
limited sailing
he's done on his boat this summer. I also look
around the mooring
field and marinas where my Cal 20 lives, and I see lots
of big boats
that don't get sailed much. The boats that are
always out there for
a few hours on a summer evening are the small ones,
<30'. They
can be sailed alone or by a couple. And so they are.
Again, some boat owners have lots of available crew.
The biggest
active yacht where my Seafarer lives is a 54'
aluminum Gary Mull
hull. She's always sailing and usually has about
20 people aboard.
If you've got 4 people out of the 20 who know what
they're doing,
that will work.
So be careful what you wish for. Think carefully about
the
practical issues of sailing a larger boat. And we
haven't even
touched on the cost issues.
Chris Campbell
Re: [Cal_Boats] Bigger boats (was Columbus Day Regatta - Miami FL - Biscayne Bay)
Gerald Sobel2014-10-23 23:13 UTC
Chris I totally agree. I find the fun factor of sailing is inversely related to the size of a boat. Take are really big boat, like, a Carnival Cruise ship. It's only fun out at sea doing 21 knots in deep swells, or in gale force winds with steep confused breaking seas. That also clears the decks since many of the passengers are self-restricted to their cabins with sea sickness, where they lie moaning in agony wishing for a merciful death, or make copious, fervent prayers to the porcelain sea sickness godess. More selections a the desert table, especially the midnite buffet. So, where's this buffet on a 24' sloop. Yeah, that's the only problem. Time for the crew to go below, don an overhead scraping shef's hat to make a peanut butter, jam and salami sandwich with mayo, sliced tomatoes and sliced pickles on raisin bread. Yum!! Try to find that on a cruise ship. Good luck!Jerry of the good ship Shpritz, Cal 24 Mk-1 #71-last of the 'kits' cruising surf board.
On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:45 AM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote:
On 10/20/2014 3:21 PM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote:
The Admiral still wants a bigger boat.....
Here's a cautionary tale. The right sized boat depends a lot of your sailing circumstances. If you always have a big crew ready to go, bigger boats can be fun and useful. But if you sail single-handed or with limited crew, a bigger boat may mean less sailing.
My theory is that generally, smaller boats get sailed more. You can sail single- or short-handed. You don't need a big crew to manage the boat. You don't need as much muscle.
My boats are the Cal 20 and a 1961 Seafarer of 26'3". Both have relatively small sails and are easy to handle alone (especially the Cal 20). I can go sailing any time I want, weather cooperating. My friend, a former boss at a sailing school/rental operation where I worked during college days, has a nice 41 foot C&C. He's an excellent sailor and likes his boat, but he's a decade older than I am and the physical demands of handling a large boat are a limiting factor for him. He's rigged a big battery-powered electric wrench to run the main halyard and other winches (that mainsail is HEAVY), but it's still hard for him. He was lamenting the limited sailing he's done on his boat this summer. I also look around the mooring field and marinas where my Cal 20 lives, and I see lots of big boats that don't get sailed much. The boats that are always out there for a few hours on a summer evening are the small ones, <30'. They can be sailed alone or by a couple. And so they are.
Again, some boat owners have lots of available crew. The biggest active yacht where my Seafarer lives is a 54' aluminum Gary Mull hull. She's always sailing and usually has about 20 people aboard. If you've got 4 people out of the 20 who know what they're doing, that will work.
So be careful what you wish for. Think carefully about the practical issues of sailing a larger boat. And we haven't even touched on the cost issues.
Chris Campbell
Re: [Cal_Boats] Bigger boats (was Columbus Day Regatta - Miami FL - Biscayne Bay)
ccampbell2014-10-24 19:24 UTC
On 10/23/2014 7:13 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote:
>
>
> Chris I totally agree. I find the fun factor of sailing is inversely
> related to the size of a boat. Take are really big boat, like, a
> Carnival Cruise ship.
I'm always amazed at the superyachts owned by the super-rich. Basically,
these folks go for boat rides from time to time and somebody else (the
crew) does the boating. No fun at all, not in my book.
My position is that you don't go for a sailboat ride--you go sailing.
There's a difference, or ought to be.
(I suppose we should be jealous of people whose nautical residences are
far more luxurious than my house. But I'm not; I get to go sailing.
How about you?)
Chris Campbell