Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement

Here is my '80 Cal 39 MK III. The aft end of the keel is 90 deg to the hull whereas the Cal 40 has an acute angle at the aft end. I don't know what the earlier keels look like though. Ours was a custom boat that was actually built for Ray Hunt, Jim Hunt's son (I may have their names backward). The only customizations I am aware of are all opening ports and an in between draft of 6 feet. Paul West Adventure Kwest In pirate mode ;-) From: Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 1, 2014 4:21 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement The I and II models have different keels and hull forms according to sailboatdata.com. The II keel shape is axtually similar to the Cal 40, and the Cal 39-I keel shape is similar to the first model of the Cal 27 with the pop-top. As I recall, anyway. Jerry of the OG Cal 24. On Mon day, December 1, 2014 11:50 AM, "Carlos Solanilla ca… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I have a 1979 MKII shallow draft made in Florida before the company was purchased. Maybe the difference could be not only the interior but also the keel lenght and weight

Hi, All. Please strip the photos (as I have done below) before replying to messages so that a 4 meg message is not sent every time. These can really build up. Not sure how they affect our digest review members. Many Thanks Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 7:21 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement I have a Cal 39. I’ve had her for 9 seasons. I’m just going to spill my guts here: It seems the longer I have her, the less I know about her. I’ll get into that in a minute but before I do that, let me say that I absolutely love this boat and highly recommend it to anyone considering owning one. She sails like a dream. I’m not competitive and don’t race, but it really feels good to easily kick ass while that other sailboat on the water is frantically adjusting his lines. Some issues you may want to look out for that I’ve had to deal with: =The old faithful Perkins 4.108 gave up on me a couple of years ago, and I had to repower. In so doing, I discovered that the fuel tank was near catastrophic failure, so that had to be replaced. If fact, I replaced everything in the entire drive train, from the fuel filler cap to the prop nut. They say you can rebuild those Perks ad infinitum, but I wasn’t into it for several reasons and I went with a new Yanmar. =I’ve had water intrusion into the deck core in a couple different areas that had to be ground out and rebuilt, although this probably has less to do with manufacturing deficiencies than due to owner modification failures. =The wiring is getting old. I haven’t had the need to do a complete rewiring, but I have replaced some of it. =There are no blistering problems on the hull. I do get a few cosmetic blisters on the keel every haul out, but those are easily remedied. Here’s a list a things that I’m confused about that maybe veteran Cal owners can help with: =Just based on reading various sources I think I have the MKII, primarily because of the model year, 1980, but also because of the layout. Mine has the single cabin in the forepeak, the nav station with pilot berth, and the galley to port. One of you says yours is a 1980 MKIII built for Hunt. I thought those didn’t come out until after the molds were sold in the mid-eighties? =To be honest, I’m not even confident of my year. It was sold to me as a 1980 and the VIN has an 80 near the end, but the CG documentation indicates 1979. Perhaps it was a 1980 model built in late 1979? =I have the tall mast rig. The seller survey listed the clearance at 61’. A fellow TM owner I spoke with recently says his is 54’. I think we may both be right. The original owner did some fancy re-rigging for racing, including moving all of the shrouds to a single chain plate further inboard to improve the sheeting angle. The mast is keel stepped, but via an aluminum pedestal that raises it maybe 2 or 2 ½ feet. The setup is probably custom, but if anyone knows about this, please let me in on it. On Monday, December 1, 2014 3:39 PM, "rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote:  Jim Hunt (former President of O'DAY) was the son of Ray Hunt (C.Raymond Hunt). Ray Hunt was the yacht designer responsible for such boats as the 39' and 41' Concordia Yawls, the 13' Boston Whaler, the Bertram 31', and the 12Meter- Easterner. Jim Hunt left O'DAY (retired?) just before Bangor-Punta sold the company (along with CAL Boats) to Lear-Siegler Marine, and he and his wife left on a long-term world cruise aboard their O'DAY 39 (O'DAY 40?) "WHALE and the BIRD". Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAy DS II #10201 was: "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 16:46:15 -0500 "pw… [at] aol.com<mailto:pw… [at] aol.com> [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> writes: Here is my '80 Cal 39 MK III. The aft end of the keel is 90 deg to the hull whereas the Cal 40 has an acute angle at the aft end. I don't know what the earlier keels look like though. Ours was a custom boat that was actually built for Ray Hunt, Jim Hunt's son (I may have their names backward). The only customizations I am aware of are all opening ports and an in between draft of 6 feet. Paul West Adventure Kwest _

Steve, don’t know about the rest, but the model years began in August of the year before (kinda like cars). The number 80 that you see is preceded by a letter starting with A for August, B for September, and so on. A80 would be August 1979 fabrication. The tall mast and shrouds and all that make a discussion for someone more knowledgeable. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 7:21 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement I have a Cal 39. I’ve had her for 9 seasons. I’m just going to spill my guts here: It seems the longer I have her, the less I know about her. I’ll get into that in a minute but before I do that, let me say that I absolutely love this boat and highly recommend it to anyone considering owning one. She sails like a dream. I’m not competitive and don’t race, but it really feels good to easily kick ass while that other sailboat on the water is frantically adjusting his lines. Some issues you may want to look out for that I’ve had to deal with: =The old faithful Perkins 4.108 gave up on me a couple of years ago, and I had to repower. In so doing, I discovered that the fuel tank was near catastrophic failure, so that had to be replaced. If fact, I replaced everything in the entire drive train, from the fuel filler cap to the prop nut. They say you can rebuild those Perks ad infinitum, but I wasn’t into it for several reasons and I went with a new Yanmar. =I’ve had water intrusion into the deck core in a couple different areas that had to be ground out and rebuilt, although this probably has less to do with manufacturing deficiencies than due to owner modification failures. =The wiring is getting old. I haven’t had the need to do a complete rewiring, but I have replaced some of it. =There are no blistering problems on the hull. I do get a few cosmetic blisters on the keel every haul out, but those are easily remedied. Here’s a list a things that I’m confused about that maybe veteran Cal owners can help with: =Just based on reading various sources I think I have the MKII, primarily because of the model year, 1980, but also because of the layout. Mine has the single cabin in the forepeak, the nav station with pilot berth, and the galley to port. One of you says yours is a 1980 MKIII built for Hunt. I thought those didn’t come out until after the molds were sold in the mid-eighties? =To be honest, I’m not even confident of my year. It was sold to me as a 1980 and the VIN has an 80 near the end, but the CG documentation indicates 1979. Perhaps it was a 1980 model built in late 1979? =I have the tall mast rig. The seller survey listed the clearance at 61’. A fellow TM owner I spoke with recently says his is 54’. I think we may both be right. The original owner did some fancy re-rigging for racing, including moving all of the shrouds to a single chain plate further inboard to improve the sheeting angle. The mast is keel stepped, but via an aluminum pedestal that raises it maybe 2 or 2 ½ feet. The setup is probably custom, but if anyone knows about this, please let me in on it. On Monday, December 1, 2014 3:39 PM, "rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote:  Jim Hunt (former President of O'DAY) was the son of Ray Hunt (C.Raymond Hunt). Ray Hunt was the yacht designer responsible for such boats as the 39' and 41' Concordia Yawls, the 13' Boston Whaler, the Bertram 31', and the 12Meter- Easterner. Jim Hunt left O'DAY (retired?) just before Bangor-Punta sold the company (along with CAL Boats) to Lear-Siegler Marine, and he and his wife left on a long-term world cruise aboard their O'DAY 39 (O'DAY 40?) "WHALE and the BIRD". Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAy DS II #10201 was: "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285

Charlie, the 1980 Models would end in "M80a", where the "a" would be the month code, (A = August, B = September, C = October) You were correct on the Model year time frame, but backwards on the HIN digit order. To the CAL 39 owner below......The 1980 CAL 39 would be a MKIII (based on the pics that were posted earlier of the one supposedly built for Jim Hunt) and that was a LAPWORTH-Design. Don't confuse "Built FOR Jim Hunt" with "Designed BY C.R. Hunt ASSOCIATES" The Hunt DESIGNED CAL 39 was built from 1987-89 and is a very different boat. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 (specifically: XDY10201M79E, built in Dec 1978 as a 1979 Model, CAL and O'DAY used same HIN format) was: "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 04:21:14 +0000 "'Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)' hu… [at] bah.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: Steve, don�t know about the rest, but the model years began in August of the year before (kinda like cars). The number 80 that you see is preceded by a letter starting with A for August, B for September, and so on. A80 would be August 1979 fabrication. The tall mast and shrouds and all that make a discussion for someone more knowledgeable. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 7:21 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement I have a Cal 39. I�ve had her for 9 seasons. I�m just going to spill my guts here: It seems the longer I have her, the less I know about her. I�ll get into that in a minute but before I do that, let me say that I absolutely love this boat and highly recommend it to anyone considering owning one. She sails like a dream. I�m not competitive and don�t race, but it really feels good to easily kick ass while that other sailboat on the water is frantically adjusting his lines. =Just based on reading various sources I think I have the MKII, primarily because of the model year, 1980, but also because of the layout. Mine has the single cabin in the forepeak, the nav station with pilot berth, and the galley to port. One of you says yours is a 1980 MKIII built for Hunt. I thought those didn�t come out until after the molds were sold in the mid-eighties? =To be honest, I�m not even confident of my year. It was sold to me as a 1980 and the VIN has an 80 near the end, but the CG documentation indicates 1979. Perhaps it was a 1980 model built in late 1979 On Monday, December 1, 2014 3:39 PM, "rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Jim Hunt (former President of O'DAY) was the son of Ray Hunt (C.Raymond Hunt). Ray Hunt was the yacht designer responsible for such boats as the 39' and 41' Concordia Yawls, the 13' Boston Whaler, the Bertram 31', and the 12Meter- Easterner. Jim Hunt left O'DAY (retired?) just before Bangor-Punta sold the company (along with CAL Boats) to Lear-Siegler Marine, and he and his wife left on a long-term world cruise aboard their O'DAY 39 (O'DAY 40?) "WHALE and the BIRD". Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAy DS II #10201 was: "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 Odd Trick Fights Diabetes &#34;Unique&#34; Proven Method To Control Blood Sugar In 3 Weeks. Watch Video. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/547d569adce14569a27dbst04duc

Rod - I found the email sent to me by the PO of my boat regarding it's history (see below). It was built for Jim Hunt and it's name was "Whale and the Bird". The guy I bought it from named it Wing Foot and then I renamed it Adventure Kwest. Paul West <The boat was built for Jim (Sham) Hunt. He had it for two years and took it to Bermuda 3X Newport, Marion, Newport. His name for it was "Whale and the Bird" I bought the boat in the fall of '82 and took it on the '83 Marblehead-Halifax race. Placed 2 in the MHS Class, losing to a custom McCurdy & Rhodes cutter named Alacrity. It belonged to Dr. George H.W. Clewes of Boston. He beat us by less than 9 minutes on a 360 mile race. We went on to the Bras d'Or Lakes in Cape Breton. I left the boat for Jim Hunt and he brought it back to Halifax. The next year I took it to Bermuda, losing the rudder 240 miles from the island. We steered with sails and crew weight and finished the race with only the upper 12" of the rudder remaining.. I took it to Bermuda again in '86. My daughters took her to Marathon, Fla and then on to Marsh Harbor, Abacos, Bahamas. I sailed her back from Man o'War to Plymouth, Mass offshore and qualified for the Ocean Cruising Club as the trip was more than 1000 miles non-stop. Later I took the boat to Fla and lived aboard for 19 months, leaving Ft. Lauderdale in late July and sailing to Tilghman Island. The engine overheated and qui8t off Palm Beach, so we sailed offshore, riding the Gulf Stream to Virginia Beach, then up the Bay. We spent one night anchored off Cape Charles city and another in the Pax River. When we got to Tilghman the three of us drank one pitcher of ice water and one of Iced Tea EACH. I have never been so hot and tired!. My younger daughter and I took her to Bermuda in '89 just for grins. We had plenty. On the sal back, we had a four or five hour downwind ride where we didn't touch the wheel--and there was no autopilot. There are many more stories.> From: rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 2, 2014 1:05 am Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement  Charlie, the 1980 Models would end in "M80a", where the "a" would be the month code, (A = August, B = September, C = October) You were correct on the Model year time frame, but backwards on the HIN digit order. To the CAL 39 owner below......The 1980 CAL 39 would be a MKIII (based on the pics that were posted earlier of the one supposedly built for Jim Hunt) and that was a LAPWORTH-Design. Don't confuse "Built FOR Jim Hunt" with "Designed BY C.R. Hunt ASSOCIATES" The Hunt DESIGNED CAL 39 was built from 1987-89 and is a very different boat. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 (specifically: XDY10201M79E, built in Dec 1978 as a 1979 Model, CAL and O'DAY used same HIN format) was: "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 04:21:14 +0000 "'Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)' hu… [at] bah.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: Steve, don’t know about the rest, but the model years began in August of the year before (kinda like cars). The number 80 that you see is preceded by a letter starting with A for August, B for September, and so on. A80 would be August 1979 fabrication. The tall mast and shrouds and all that make a discussion for someone more knowledgeable. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 7:21 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement I have a Cal 39. I’ve had her for 9 seasons. I’m just going to spill my guts here: It seems the longer I have her, the less I know about her. I’ll get into that in a minute but before I do that, let me say that I absolutely love this boat and highly recommend it to anyone considering owning one. She sails like a dream. I’m not competitive and don’t race, but it really feels good to easily kick ass while that other sailboat on the water is frantically adjusting his lines. =Just based on reading various sources I think I have the MKII, primarily because of the model year, 1980, but also because of the layout. Mine has the single cabin in the forepeak, the nav station with pilot berth, and the galley to port. One of you says yours is a 1980 MKIII built for Hunt. I thought those didn’t come out until after the molds were sold in the mid-eighties? =To be honest, I’m not even confident of my year. It was sold to me as a 1980 and the VIN has an 80 near the end, but the CG documentation indicates 1979. Perhaps it was a 1980 model built in late 1979 On Monday, December 1, 2014 3:39 PM, "rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Jim Hunt (former President of O'DAY) was the son of Ray Hunt (C.Raymond Hunt). Ray Hunt was the yacht designer responsible for such boats as the 39' and 41' Concordia Yawls, the 13' Boston Whaler, the Bertram 31', and the 12Meter- Easterner. Jim Hunt left O'DAY (retired?) just before Bangor-Punta sold the company (along with CAL Boats) to Lear-Siegler Marine, and he and his wife left on a long-term world cruise aboard their O'DAY 39 (O'DAY 40?) "WHALE and the BIRD". Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAy DS II #10201 was: "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 Odd Trick Fights Diabetes "Unique" Proven Method To Control Blood Sugar In 3 Weeks. Watch Video. DiabetesProtocol.com

OK, that makes sense...... Jim Hunt sold your CAL 39 about 2 years before the "WHALE and THE BIRD" (O'DAY 40) that I had seen pictured and talked about before. The O'DAY was the one that they sailed off on their retirement. They later sold that boat as well, but I don't recall the exact details. Had you heard the origin of that name? From what I heard, Jim Hunt was (probably still is) pretty tall, his wife is rather petite...... someone apparently once described them as like a "whale and a bird".... the name must have sounded good to them, and thus they named their boat(s) "The Whale and the Bird" If I find the history of that O'DAY since the Hunts sold her, I'll let you know. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 was: "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 09:09:34 -0500 "pw… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: Rod - I found the email sent to me by the PO of my boat regarding it's history (see below). It was built for Jim Hunt and it's name was "Whale and the Bird". The guy I bought it from named it Wing Foot and then I renamed it Adventure Kwest. Paul West <The boat was built for Jim (Sham) Hunt. He had it for two years and took it to Bermuda 3X Newport, Marion, Newport. His name for it was "Whale and the Bird" I bought the boat in the fall of '82 and took it on the '83 Marblehead-Halifax race. Placed 2 in the MHS Class, losing to a custom McCurdy & Rhodes cutter named Alacrity. It belonged to Dr. George H.W. Clewes of Boston. He beat us by less than 9 minutes on a 360 mile race. We went on to the Bras d'Or Lakes in Cape Breton. I left the boat for Jim Hunt and he brought it back to Halifax. The next year I took it to Bermuda, losing the rudder 240 miles from the island. We steered with sails and crew weight and finished the race with only the upper 12" of the rudder remaining.. I took it to Bermuda again in '86. My daughters took her to Marathon, Fla and then on to Marsh Harbor, Abacos, Bahamas. I sailed her back from Man o'War to Plymouth, Mass offshore and qualified for the Ocean Cruising Club as the trip was more than 1000 miles non-stop. Later I took the boat to Fla and lived aboard for 19 months, leaving Ft. Lauderdale in late July and sailing to Tilghman Island. The engine overheated and qui8t off Palm Beach, so we sailed offshore, riding the Gulf Stream to Virginia Beach, then up the Bay. We spent one night anchored off Cape Charles city and another in the Pax River. When we got to Tilghman the three of us drank one pitcher of ice water and one of Iced Tea EACH. I have never been so hot and tired!. My younger daughter and I took her to Bermuda in '89 just for grins. We had plenty. On the sal back, we had a four or five hour downwind ride where we didn't touch the wheel--and there was no autopilot. There are many more stories.> From: rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 2, 2014 1:05 am Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement ? Charlie, the 1980 Models would end in "M80a", where the "a" would be the month code, (A = August, B = September, C = October) You were correct on the Model year time frame, but backwards on the HIN digit order. To the CAL 39 owner below......The 1980 CAL 39 would be a MKIII (based on the pics that were posted earlier of the one supposedly built for Jim Hunt) and that was a LAPWORTH-Design. Don't confuse "Built FOR Jim Hunt" with "Designed BY C.R. Hunt ASSOCIATES" The Hunt DESIGNED CAL 39 was built from 1987-89 and is a very different boat. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 (specifically: XDY10201M79E, built in Dec 1978 as a 1979 Model, CAL and O'DAY used same HIN format) was: "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 04:21:14 +0000 "'Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)' hu… [at] bah.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: Steve, don�t know about the rest, but the model years began in August of the year before (kinda like cars). The number 80 that you see is preceded by a letter starting with A for August, B for September, and so on. A80 would be August 1979 fabrication. The tall mast and shrouds and all that make a discussion for someone more knowledgeable. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 7:21 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement I have a Cal 39. I�ve had her for 9 seasons. I�m just going to spill my guts here: It seems the longer I have her, the less I know about her. I�ll get into that in a minute but before I do that, let me say that I absolutely love this boat and highly recommend it to anyone considering owning one. She sails like a dream. I�m not competitive and don�t race, but it really feels good to easily kick ass while that other sailboat on the water is frantically adjusting his lines. =Just based on reading various sources I think I have the MKII, primarily because of the model year, 1980, but also because of the layout. Mine has the single cabin in the forepeak, the nav station with pilot berth, and the galley to port. One of you says yours is a 1980 MKIII built for Hunt. I thought those didn�t come out until after the molds were sold in the mid-eighties? =To be honest, I�m not even confident of my year. It was sold to me as a 1980 and the VIN has an 80 near the end, but the CG documentation indicates 1979. Perhaps it was a 1980 model built in late 1979 On Monday, December 1, 2014 3:39 PM, "rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Jim Hunt (former President of O'DAY) was the son of Ray Hunt (C.Raymond Hunt). Ray Hunt was the yacht designer responsible for such boats as the 39' and 41' Concordia Yawls, the 13' Boston Whaler, the Bertram 31', and the 12Meter- Easterner. Jim Hunt left O'DAY (retired?) just before Bangor-Punta sold the company (along with CAL Boats) to Lear-Siegler Marine, and he and his wife left on a long-term world cruise aboard their O'DAY 39 (O'DAY 40?) "WHALE and the BIRD". Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAy DS II #10201 was: "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 . Odd Trick Fights Diabetes &#34;Unique&#34; Proven Method To Control Blood Sugar In 3 Weeks. Watch Video. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/547e3a60871823a602326st03duc