Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement [3 Attachments]

Hi, Paul. I believe that the angle to hull on the aft side of the CAL 40 is obtuse. But then so is my comment. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 4:46 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement [3 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from pw… [at] aol.com included below] Here is my '80 Cal 39 MK III. The aft end of the keel is 90 deg to the hull whereas the Cal 40 has an acute angle at the aft end. I don't know what the earlier keels look like though. Ours was a custom boat that was actually built for Ray Hunt, Jim Hunt's son (I may have their names backward). The only customizations I am aware of are all opening ports and an in between draft of 6 feet. Paul West Adventure Kwest

Jim Hunt (former President of O'DAY) was the son of Ray Hunt (C.Raymond Hunt). Ray Hunt was the yacht designer responsible for such boats as the 39' and 41' Concordia Yawls, the 13' Boston Whaler, the Bertram 31', and the 12Meter- Easterner. Jim Hunt left O'DAY (retired?) just before Bangor-Punta sold the company (along with CAL Boats) to Lear-Siegler Marine, and he and his wife left on a long-term world cruise aboard their O'DAY 39 (O'DAY 40?) "WHALE and the BIRD". Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAy DS II #10201 was: "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 16:46:15 -0500 "pw… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: [Attachment(s) from pw… [at] aol.com included below] Here is my '80 Cal 39 MK III. The aft end of the keel is 90 deg to the hull whereas the Cal 40 has an acute angle at the aft end. I don't know what the earlier keels look like though. Ours was a custom boat that was actually built for Ray Hunt, Jim Hunt's son (I may have their names backward). The only customizations I am aware of are all opening ports and an in between draft of 6 feet. Paul West Adventure Kwest In pirate mode ;-) From: Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 1, 2014 4:21 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement The I and II models have different keels and hull forms according to sailboatdata.com. The II keel shape is axtually similar to the Cal 40, and the Cal 39-I keel shape is similar to the first model of the Cal 27 with the pop-top. As I recall, anyway. Jerry of the OG Cal 24. On Mon day, December 1, 2014 11:50 AM, "Carlos Solanilla ca… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I have a 1979 MKII shallow draft made in Florida before the company was purchased. Maybe the difference could be not only the interior but also the keel lenght and weight Odd Trick Fights Diabetes &#34;Unique&#34; Proven Method To Control Blood Sugar In 3 Weeks. Watch Video. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/547cfbe652cac7be5788cst01duc

I have a Cal 39. I’ve had her for 9 seasons. I’m just goingto spill my guts here: It seems the longer I have her, the less I know abouther. I’ll get into that in a minute but before I do that, let me say that I absolutelylove this boat and highly recommend it to anyone considering owning one. Shesails like a dream. I’m not competitive and don’t race, but it really feelsgood to easily kick ass while that other sailboat on the water is franticallyadjusting his lines.Some issues you may want to look out for that I’ve had todeal with:=The old faithful Perkins 4.108 gave up on me a couple ofyears ago, and I had to repower. In so doing, I discovered that the fuel tankwas near catastrophic failure, so that had to be replaced. If fact, I replacedeverything in the entire drive train, from the fuel filler cap to the prop nut.They say you can rebuild those Perks ad infinitum, but I wasn’t into it forseveral reasons and I went with a new Yanmar.=I’ve had water intrusion into the deck core in a coupledifferent areas that had to be ground out and rebuilt, although this probablyhas less to do with manufacturing deficiencies than due to owner modificationfailures.=The wiring is getting old. I haven’t had the need to do acomplete rewiring, but I have replaced some of it.=There are no blistering problems on the hull. I do get afew cosmetic blisters on the keel every haul out, but those are easilyremedied.Here’s a list a things that I’m confused about that maybeveteran Cal owners can help with:=Just based on reading various sources I think I have theMKII, primarily because of the model year, 1980, but also because of thelayout. Mine has the single cabin in the forepeak, the nav station with pilotberth, and the galley to port. One of you says yours is a 1980 MKIII built forHunt. I thought those didn’t come out until after the molds were sold in themid-eighties?=To be honest, I’m not even confident of my year. It wassold to me as a 1980 and the VIN has an 80 near the end, but the CG documentationindicates 1979. Perhaps it was a 1980 model built in late 1979?=I have the tall mast rig. The seller survey listed theclearance at 61’. A fellow TM owner I spoke with recently says his is 54’. Ithink we may both be right. The original owner did some fancy re-rigging forracing, including moving all of the shrouds to a single chain plate furtherinboard to improve the sheeting angle. The mast is keel stepped, but via analuminum pedestal that raises it maybe 2 or 2 ½ feet. The setup is probablycustom, but if anyone knows about this, please let me in on it. On Monday, December 1, 2014 3:39 PM, "rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Jim Hunt (former President of O'DAY) was the son of Ray Hunt (C.Raymond Hunt). Ray Hunt was the yacht designer responsible for such boats as the 39' and 41' Concordia Yawls, the 13' Boston Whaler, the Bertram 31', and the 12Meter- Easterner.Jim Hunt left O'DAY (retired?) just before Bangor-Punta sold the company (along with CAL Boats) to Lear-Siegler Marine, and he and his wife left on a long-term world cruise aboard their O'DAY 39 (O'DAY 40?) "WHALE and the BIRD". Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD"1979 O'DAy DS II #10201was: "NODROG"1970 CAL 21 #285 On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 16:46:15 -0500 "pw… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: Here is my '80 Cal 39 MK III. The aft end of the keel is 90 deg to the hull whereas the Cal 40 has an acute angle at the aft end. I don't know what the earlier keels look like though. Ours was a custom boat that was actually built for Ray Hunt, Jim Hunt's son (I may have their names backward). The only customizations I am aware of are all opening ports and an in between draft of 6 feet. Paul West Adventure Kwest In pirate mode ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 1, 2014 4:21 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement The I and II models have different keels and hull forms according to sailboatdata.com. The II keel shape is axtually similar to the Cal 40, and the Cal 39-I keel shape is similar to the first model of the Cal 27 with the pop-top. As I recall, anyway. Jerry of the OG Cal 24. On Mon day, December 1, 2014 11:50 AM, "Carlos Solanilla ca… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I have a 1979 MKII shallow draft made in Florida before the company was purchased. Maybe the difference could be not only the interior but also the keel lenght and weight Odd Trick Fights Diabetes "Unique" Proven Method To Control Blood Sugar In 3 Weeks. Watch Video. 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Charlie - LOL yeah that would likely make more sense to people. In my defense, I was starting my angle from the bottom of the keel and measured the angle in relation to the aft end of the keel instead of the bottom of the keel. Why, I don't know LOL. Bottom line is that I DO know the difference 'tween obtuse and acute. Paul From: 'Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)' hu… [at] bah.com [Cal_Boats] [USA] (ASE)' hu… [at] bah.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 1, 2014 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement Hi, Paul. I believe that the angle to hull on the aft side of the CAL 40 is obtuse. But then so is my comment. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 4:46 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement [3 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from pw… [at] aol.com included below] Here is my '80 Cal 39 MK III. The aft end of the keel is 90 deg to the hull whereas the Cal 40 has an acute angle at the aft end. I don't know what the earlier keels look like though. Ours was a custom boat that was actually built for Ray Hunt, Jim Hunt's son (I may have their names backward). The only customizations I am aware of are all opening ports and an in between draft of 6 feet. Paul West Adventure Kwest

On 12/1/2014 6:33 PM, rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: >  > > Jim Hunt (former President of O'DAY) was the son of Ray Hunt > (C.Raymond Hunt). Ray Hunt was the yacht designer responsible for such > boats as the 39' and 41' Concordia Yawls, the 13' Boston Whaler, the > Bertram 31', and the 12Meter- Easterner. I'm just catching up on e-mails. Ray Hunt also designed the 110 ("International 110"). There was an active racing fleet where I grew up, and a Lightning fleet (Olin Stephens). The 110 was dsigned, I once read, to maximize efficient use of sheets of marine plywood. Hunt seems to have been one of those naval architects who could move from one type of boat to another completely different type without missing a beat. If we look only at the USA, in the last hundred years we've had a bunch of those folks who have given us boats that allow us to take to the water efficiently and safely and often enough with stunning beauty. (I think that when it comes to boats, functional design leads you in the direction of beauty, and an artist's eye gets you there). We ought to be grateful. Chris Campbell

I agree! Jim Ives - Kool Beans Rochester, NY To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 10:37:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement On 12/1/2014 6:33 PM, rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats] wrote:  Jim Hunt (former President of O'DAY) was the son of Ray Hunt (C.Raymond Hunt). Ray Hunt was the yacht designer responsible for such boats as the 39' and 41' Concordia Yawls, the 13' Boston Whaler, the Bertram 31', and the 12Meter- Easterner. I'm just catching up on e-mails. Ray Hunt also designed the 110 ("International 110"). There was an active racing fleet where I grew up, and a Lightning fleet (Olin Stephens). The 110 was dsigned, I once read, to maximize efficient use of sheets of marine plywood. Hunt seems to have been one of those naval architects who could move from one type of boat to another completely different type without missing a beat. If we look only at the USA, in the last hundred years we've had a bunch of those folks who have given us boats that allow us to take to the water efficiently and safely and often enough with stunning beauty. (I think that when it comes to boats, functional design leads you in the direction of beauty, and an artist's eye gets you there). We ought to be grateful. Chris Campbell

Hunt also designed the CAL 28 On 12/11/2014 7:13 PM, Kool Beans ne… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > I agree! > > Jim Ives - Kool Beans > Rochester, NY > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 10:37:47 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement > > > On 12/1/2014 6:33 PM, rj… [at] juno.com <mailto:rj… [at] juno.com> > [Cal_Boats] wrote: > >  > Jim Hunt (former President of O'DAY) was the son of Ray Hunt > (C.Raymond Hunt). Ray Hunt was the yacht designer responsible for > such boats as the 39' and 41' Concordia Yawls, the 13' Boston > Whaler, the Bertram 31', and the 12Meter- Easterner. > > > I'm just catching up on e-mails. Ray Hunt also designed the 110 > ("International 110"). There was an active racing fleet where I grew > up, and a Lightning fleet (Olin Stephens). The 110 was dsigned, I > once read, to maximize efficient use of sheets of marine plywood. > Hunt seems to have been one of those naval architects who could move > from one type of boat to another completely different type without > missing a beat. > > If we look only at the USA, in the last hundred years we've had a > bunch of those folks who have given us boats that allow us to take to > the water efficiently and safely and often enough with stunning > beauty. (I think that when it comes to boats, functional design leads > you in the direction of beauty, and an artist's eye gets you there). > We ought to be grateful. > > Chris Campbell > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

On 12/12/2014 12:02 PM, Bruce Bygate b.… [at] verizon.net [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > Hunt also designed the CAL 28 The original flattop (raised deck) Cal 28 was Bill Lapworth, I think. Chris Campbell > On 12/11/2014 7:13 PM, Kool Beans ne… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats] > wrote: >> >> I agree! >> >> Jim Ives - Kool Beans >> Rochester, NY >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 10:37:47 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement >> >> >> On 12/1/2014 6:33 PM, rj… [at] juno.com >> <mailto:rj… [at] juno.com> [Cal_Boats] wrote: >> >>  >> Jim Hunt (former President of O'DAY) was the son of Ray Hunt >> (C.Raymond Hunt). Ray Hunt was the yacht designer responsible for >> such boats as the 39' and 41' Concordia Yawls, the 13' Boston >> Whaler, the Bertram 31', and the 12Meter- Easterner. >> >> >> I'm just catching up on e-mails. Ray Hunt also designed the 110 >> ("International 110"). There was an active racing fleet where I grew >> up, and a Lightning fleet (Olin Stephens). The 110 was dsigned, I >> once read, to maximize efficient use of sheets of marine plywood. >> Hunt seems to have been one of those naval architects who could move >> from one type of boat to another completely different type without >> missing a beat. >> >> If we look only at the USA, in the last hundred years we've had a >> bunch of those folks who have given us boats that allow us to take to >> the water efficiently and safely and often enough with stunning >> beauty. (I think that when it comes to boats, functional design leads >> you in the direction of beauty, and an artist's eye gets you there). >> We ought to be grateful. >> >> Chris Campbell >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > <http://www.avast.com/> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com/> > > > > >

You are correct. The original Cal 28 was Lapworth, The Cal 28 MkII, mid 80's production was Hunt. In the slip next to mine there is a 1986 Cal 28 MkII. Beautiful boat! Slightly smaller version of the 33. Tall rig, double spreaders, deep J24 looking keel. Also much more pronounced max-beam, almost IOR shape. My 1793 Cal T2 lies right beside her and is an interesting contrast. What really got me was that last year (our club used to use Portsmouth ratings) my T2 actually owed the 28 MkII time! This year we have switched to PHRF TOT and now both boats are rated equal. I haven't raced much this year and so far we haven't had both Cal's out at the same time but I'm looking forward to the meeting! Thanks, Craig Johnson - St. SomewhereKnoxville, Tn To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:24:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement On 12/12/2014 12:02 PM, Bruce Bygate b.… [at] verizon.net [Cal_Boats] wrote: Hunt also designed the CAL 28 The original flattop (raised deck) Cal 28 was Bill Lapworth, I think. Chris Campbell On 12/11/2014 7:13 PM, Kool Beans ne… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: I agree! Jim Ives - Kool Beans Rochester, NY To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 10:37:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 39 MK II, MK III displacement On 12/1/2014 6:33 PM, rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats] wrote:  Jim Hunt (former President of O'DAY) was the son of Ray Hunt (C.Raymond Hunt). Ray Hunt was the yacht designer responsible for such boats as the 39' and 41' Concordia Yawls, the 13' Boston Whaler, the Bertram 31', and the 12Meter- Easterner. I'm just catching up on e-mails. Ray Hunt also designed the 110 ("International 110"). There was an active racing fleet where I grew up, and a Lightning fleet (Olin Stephens). The 110 was dsigned, I once read, to maximize efficient use of sheets of marine plywood. Hunt seems to have been one of those naval architects who could move from one type of boat to another completely different type without missing a beat. If we look only at the USA, in the last hundred years we've had a bunch of those folks who have given us boats that allow us to take to the water efficiently and safely and often enough with stunning beauty. (I think that when it comes to boats, functional design leads you in the direction of beauty, and an artist's eye gets you there). We ought to be grateful. Chris Campbell This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com