Re: [Cal_Boats] Stepping a Cal 28 Mast.

Thank you Helen and Adam. Also thanks to those who mailed me directly. I really appreciate it. Helen, The hatch is 22 3/8"x 22 3/8 on the outside of the lip that it fits over. 21"x21 on the inside. If I can find an original I would go with that, but there is a lot to be said for the light let in by a plexi hatch, so I would be open to going the lewmar way if nothing shows up. Do the ones that you have fit? Adam, I would love to see those photos if they are easy for you. Greatly appreciated. Happy Holidays to all. Brian On Dec 19, 2014, at 12:17 AM, Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote: > Cal Sail List Group > 3 MessagesDigest #4121 > 1aStepping a Cal 28 mast by flickersound > 1bRe: Stepping a Cal 28 mast by "Helen Horn" he… [at] sbcglobal.net > 1cRe: Stepping a Cal 28 mast by "Adam Thorp" th… [at] ymail.com > > Messages > 1aStepping a Cal 28 mast > Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:32 pm (PST) . Posted by:flickersound > Greetings all, > > I am wondering if anyone has any experience stepping a mast on a Cal 28? I recently bought a 1963 hull in moderate condition and in progress on a total rehab. For the most part the standing rigging is in good shape but the mast does need to come down for refitting of some parts. > > > The boat is in a small out of the way harbor in Northern California so all of the work has to be done there and by my brother and myself. > > > I am very aware that it may be wiser to just buy a boat in good condition, but this process is a pastime that my brother and I share and enjoy. To me it also it is providing an intimate understanding of this particular boat, which I have already bonded with. We are of the same era and I really love the design. I can’t wait to sail it. > > > My brother has pretty much completed a similar and extensive refit of a tall rigged Catalina 27. He used to restore cars professionally and so has a lot of mechanical ability. I generally hand him the wrenches and provide the menial labor. 😊 > > > He installed a tabernacle in the interest of being able to remast under adverse conditions. When we put the mast back up on his boat it made the process pretty slick. (The tabernacle is a bracket that provides a pivot point on a thick bolt for the base of the mast.) The boom started vertically with the main sheet rigged from the extreme point of the boom to the stern, two lines from the boom to the winches on each side to stabilize laterally and a single line running from the port stern railing, to a block at the top of the mast and back to a block at the starboard stern railing. It took about five minutes max to hoist the mast into place, and felt under control while it was coming up. As it got closer and closer to it’s resting point it became easier and easier of course. > > > I have seen another mast stepped with a midpoint tripod rig from the deck, and generally it worked but felt a little more dangerous. There is a good video of this process about halfway through the program ‘180 South’ available now on Netflix. I expect that I will have to use this process to bring the mast down. > > > Because of the deck structure of the Cal28 I would have to fabricate a block of aluminum or a casting or something (any suggestions?) to provide a base for a tabernacle otherwise I would just bolt one on for the raising. Just next to the mast the starboard side drops down about three inches. Can anyone tell me if the mast is sitting in a recess or is it simply flat on the deck? The Cal has a wooden compression support vertically through the cabin. > > > So does anyone have any advice on how to safely and successfully take the mast down and up? Any online resources that you could point me to? A challenge is good but I don't want to drop the mast or anything like that. > > > I just recently joined this list and am already very grateful for your insights and experience. > > > Also looking for a forward hatch cover if anyone knows of a Cal salvage yard or such. > > > Thank you kindly. > > > Brian Sorbo > > Noyo Harbor > > Ft. Bragg, CA > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ > 1bRe: Stepping a Cal 28 mast > Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:07 pm (PST) . Posted by:"Helen Horn" he… [at] sbcglobal.net > hi, welcome to cal boats! what is the inside and outside dimension of the deck rim, are you set on a same as original design? or we have a couple of old lewmar hatches that might be good. Also maybe make a mold off another cal 27, then plywood and fiberglass up a replacement. It's actually one of the easier items to make yourself. there are quite a few 27s around the sf bay where we are located. Helen and Edward (the new owner of our cal 29 set up the boat to tqbernacle for santa cruz harbor, involves winches, and a custom made deck"hinge"). > > On Thursday, December 18, 2014 4:32 PM, "fl… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Greetings all, > I am wondering if anyone has any experience stepping a mast on a Cal 28? I recently bought a 1963 hull in moderate condition and in progress on a total rehab. For the most part the standing rigging is in good shape but the mast does need to come down for refitting of some parts. > > The boat is in a small out of the way harbor in Northern California so all of the work has to be done there and by my brother and myself. > > I am very aware that it may be wiser to just buy a boat in good condition, but this process is a pastime that my brother and I share and enjoy. To me it also it is providing an intimate understanding of this particular boat, which I have already bonded with. We are of the same era and I really love the design. I can’t wait to sail it. > > My brother has pretty much completed a similar and extensive refit of a tall rigged Catalina 27. He used to restore cars professionally and so has a lot of mechanical ability. I generally hand him the wrenches and provide the menial labor. 😊 > > He installed a tabernacle in the interest of being able to remast under adverse conditions. When we put the mast back up on his boat it made the process pretty slick. (The tabernacle is a bracket that provides a pivot point on a thick bolt for the base of the mast.) The boom started vertically with the main sheet rigged from the extreme point of the boom to the stern, two lines from the boom to the winches on each side to stabilize laterally and a single line running from the port stern railing, to a block at the top of the mast and back to a block at the starboard stern railing. It took about five minutes max to hoist the mast into place, and felt under control while it was coming up. As it got closer and closer to it’s resting point it became easier and easier of course. > > I have seen another mast stepped with a midpoint tripod rig from the deck, and generally it worked but felt a little more dangerous. There is a good video of this process about halfway through the program ‘180 South’ available now on Netflix. I expect that I will have to use this process to bring the mast down. > > Because of the deck structure of the Cal28 I would have to fabricate a block of aluminum or a casting or something (any suggestions?) to provide a base for a tabernacle otherwise I would just bolt one on for the raising. Just next to the mast the starboard side drops down about three inches. Can anyone tell me if the mast is sitting in a recess or is it simply flat on the deck? The Cal has a wooden compression support vertically through the cabin. > > So does anyone have any advice on how to safely and successfully take the mast down and up? Any online resources that you could point me to? A challenge is good but I don't want to drop the mast or anything like that. > > I just recently joined this list and am already very grateful for your insights and experience. > > Also looking for a forward hatch cover if anyone knows of a Cal salvage yard or such. > > Thank you kindly. > > Brian Sorbo > Noyo Harbor > Ft. Bragg, CA > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ > 1cRe: Stepping a Cal 28 mast > Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:03 pm (PST) . Posted by:"Adam Thorp" th… [at] ymail.com > Hi Brian, > > I have a 1964 Cal 28 and have stepped and unstepped the mast several times > in the same way you describe. The tabernacle was installed on the boat when > I purchased it. I'll check and see if I have some pictures of the setup > when I am at my home machine. > > Cheers, > Adam > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net > [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > hi, welcome to cal boats! what is the inside and outside dimension of the > > deck rim, are you set on a same as original design? or we have a couple of > > old lewmar hatches that might be good. Also maybe make a mold off another > > cal 27, then plywood and fiberglass up a replacement. It's actually one of > > the easier items to make yourself. there are quite a few 27s around the sf > > bay where we are located. Helen and Edward (the new owner of our cal 29 > > set up the boat to tqbernacle for santa cruz harbor, involves winches, and > > a custom made deck"hinge"). > > > > > > On Thursday, December 18, 2014 4:32 PM, "fl… [at] yahoo.com > > [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Greetings all, > > I am wondering if anyone has any experience stepping a mast on a Cal 28? > > I recently bought a 1963 hull in moderate condition and in progress on a > > total rehab. For the most part the standing rigging is in good shape but > > the mast does need to come down for refitting of some parts. > > > > The boat is in a small out of the way harbor in Northern California so all > > of the work has to be done there and by my brother and myself. > > > > I am very aware that it may be wiser to just buy a boat in good condition, > > but this process is a pastime that my brother and I share and enjoy. To me > > it also it is providing an intimate understanding of this particular boat, > > which I have already bonded with. We are of the same era and I really > > love the design. I can’t wait to sail it. > > > > My brother has pretty much completed a similar and extensive refit of a > > tall rigged Catalina 27. He used to restore cars professionally and so has > > a lot of mechanical ability. I generally hand him the wrenches and provide > > the menial labor. [image: 😊] > > > > He installed a tabernacle in the interest of being able to remast under > > adverse conditions. When we put the mast back up on his boat it made the > > process pretty slick. (The tabernacle is a bracket that provides a pivot > > point on a thick bolt for the base of the mast.) The boom started > > vertically with the main sheet rigged from the extreme point of the boom to > > the stern, two lines from the boom to the winches on each side to > > stabilize laterally and a single line running from the port stern railing, > > to a block at the top of the mast and back to a block at the starboard > > stern railing. It took about five minutes max to hoist the mast into > > place, and felt under control while it was coming up. As it got closer > > and closer to it’s resting point it became easier and easier of course. > > > > I have seen another mast stepped with a midpoint tripod rig from the deck, > > and generally it worked but felt a little more dangerous. There is a good > > video of this process about halfway through the program ‘180 South’ > > available now on Netflix. I expect that I will have to use this process > > to bring the mast down. > > > > Because of the deck structure of the Cal28 I would have to fabricate a > > block of aluminum or a casting or something (any suggestions?) to provide a > > base for a tabernacle otherwise I would just bolt one on for the > > raising. Just next to the mast the starboard side drops down about three > > inches. Can anyone tell me if the mast is sitting in a recess or is it > > simply flat on the deck? The Cal has a wooden compression support > > vertically through the cabin. > > > > So does anyone have any advice on how to safely and successfully take the > > mast down and up? Any online resources that you could point me to? A > > challenge is good but I don't want to drop the mast or anything like that. > > > > I just recently joined this list and am already very grateful for your > > insights and experience. > > > > Also looking for a forward hatch cover if anyone knows of a Cal salvage > > yard or such. > > > > Thank you kindly. > > > > Brian Sorbo > > Noyo Harbor > > Ft. Bragg, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ > VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 2 > • Privacy • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use

Brian,I have a 72 Cal29, replaced my forward hatch with a custom made acrylic one from a local plastics shop. I took the original to the shop and they made me a new one. Reused the hinges, it fits well. Was a tad expensive, but gives me light below, no leaks. But don't use Windex on it! David Dobbs, CAL29 411 On Sunday, December 21, 2014 4:15 PM, "Brian Sorbo fl… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Thank you Helen and Adam. Also thanks to those who mailed me directly. I really appreciate it. Helen,The hatch is 22 3/8"x 22 3/8 on the outside of the lip that it fits over. 21"x21 on the inside. If I can find an original I would go with that, but there is a lot to be said for the light let in by a plexi hatch, so I would be open to going the lewmar way if nothing shows up. Do the ones that you have fit? Adam, I would love to see those photos if they are easy for you. Greatly appreciated.Happy Holidays to all. Brian On Dec 19, 2014, at 12:17 AM, Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com wrote: Cal Sail List Group 3 Messages Digest #41211aStepping a Cal 28 mast by flickersound1bRe: Stepping a Cal 28 mast by "Helen Horn" he… [at] sbcglobal.net1cRe: Stepping a Cal 28 mast by "Adam Thorp" th… [at] ymail.com Messages 1a Stepping a Cal 28 mast Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:32 pm (PST) . Posted by: flickersound Greetings all, I am wondering if anyone has any experience stepping a mast on a Cal 28? I recently bought a 1963 hull in moderate condition and in progress on a total rehab. For the most part the standing rigging is in good shape but the mast does need to come down for refitting of some parts. The boat is in a small out of the way harbor in Northern California so all of the work has to be done there and by my brother and myself. I am very aware that it may be wiser to just buy a boat in good condition, but this process is a pastime that my brother and I share and enjoy. To me it also it is providing an intimate understanding of this particular boat, which I have already bonded with. We are of the same era and I really love the design. I can’t wait to sail it. My brother has pretty much completed a similar and extensive refit of a tall rigged Catalina 27. He used to restore cars professionally and so has a lot of mechanical ability. I generally hand him the wrenches and provide the menial labor. 😊 He installed a tabernacle in the interest of being able to remast under adverse conditions. When we put the mast back up on his boat it made the process pretty slick. (The tabernacle is a bracket that provides a pivot point on a thick bolt for the base of the mast.) The boom started vertically with the main sheet rigged from the extreme point of the boom to the stern, two lines from the boom to the winches on each side to stabilize laterally and a single line running from the port stern railing, to a block at the top of the mast and back to a block at the starboard stern railing. It took about five minutes max to hoist the mast into place, and felt under control while it was coming up. As it got closer and closer to it’s resting point it became easier and easier of course. I have seen another mast stepped with a midpoint tripod rig from the deck, and generally it worked but felt a little more dangerous. There is a good video of this process about halfway through the program ‘180 South’ available now on Netflix. I expect that I will have to use this process to bring the mast down. Because of the deck structure of the Cal28 I would have to fabricate a block of aluminum or a casting or something (any suggestions? ) to provide a base for a tabernacle otherwise I would just bolt one on for the raising. Just next to the mast the starboard side drops down about three inches. Can anyone tell me if the mast is sitting in a recess or is it simply flat on the deck? The Cal has a wooden compression support vertically through the cabin. So does anyone have any advice on how to safely and successfully take the mast down and up? Any online resources that you could point me to? A challenge is good but I don't want to drop the mast or anything like that. I just recently joined this list and am already very grateful for your insights and experience. Also looking for a forward hatch cover if anyone knows of a Cal salvage yard or such. Thank you kindly. Brian Sorbo Noyo Harbor Ft. Bragg, CAReply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ 1b Re: Stepping a Cal 28 mast Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:07 pm (PST) . Posted by: "Helen Horn" he… [at] sbcglobal.net hi, welcome to cal boats! what is the inside and outside dimension of the deck rim, are you set on a same as original design? or we have a couple of old lewmar hatches that might be good. Also maybe make a mold off another cal 27, then plywood and fiberglass up a replacement. It's actually one of the easier items to make yourself. there are quite a few 27s around the sf bay where we are located. Helen and Edward (the new owner of our cal 29 set up the boat to tqbernacle for santa cruz harbor, involves winches, and a custom made deck"hinge"). On Thursday, December 18, 2014 4:32 PM, "fl… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Greetings all, I am wondering if anyone has any experience stepping a mast on a Cal 28? I recently bought a 1963 hull in moderate condition and in progress on a total rehab. For the most part the standing rigging is in good shape but the mast does need to come down for refitting of some parts. The boat is in a small out of the way harbor in Northern California so all of the work has to be done there and by my brother and myself. I am very aware that it may be wiser to just buy a boat in good condition, but this process is a pastime that my brother and I share and enjoy. To me it also it is providing an intimate understanding of this particular boat, which I have already bonded with. We are of the same era and I really love the design. I can’t wait to sail it. My brother has pretty much completed a similar and extensive refit of a tall rigged Catalina 27. He used to restore cars professionally and so has a lot of mechanical ability. I generally hand him the wrenches and provide the menial labor. 😊 He installed a tabernacle in the interest of being able to remast under adverse conditions. When we put the mast back up on his boat it made the process pretty slick. (The tabernacle is a bracket that provides a pivot point on a thick bolt for the base of the mast.) The boom started vertically with the main sheet rigged from the extreme point of the boom to the stern, two lines from the boom to the winches on each side to stabilize laterally and a single line running from the port stern railing, to a block at the top of the mast and back to a block at the starboard stern railing. It took about five minutes max to hoist the mast into place, and felt under control while it was coming up. As it got closer and closer to it’s resting point it became easier and easier of course. I have seen another mast stepped with a midpoint tripod rig from the deck, and generally it worked but felt a little more dangerous. There is a good video of this process about halfway through the program ‘180 South’ available now on Netflix. I expect that I will have to use this process to bring the mast down. Because of the deck structure of the Cal28 I would have to fabricate a block of aluminum or a casting or something (any suggestions? ) to provide a base for a tabernacle otherwise I would just bolt one on for the raising. Just next to the mast the starboard side drops down about three inches. Can anyone tell me if the mast is sitting in a recess or is it simply flat on the deck? The Cal has a wooden compression support vertically through the cabin. So does anyone have any advice on how to safely and successfully take the mast down and up? Any online resources that you could point me to? A challenge is good but I don't want to drop the mast or anything like that. I just recently joined this list and am already very grateful for your insights and experience. Also looking for a forward hatch cover if anyone knows of a Cal salvage yard or such. Thank you kindly. Brian Sorbo Noyo Harbor Ft. Bragg, CA Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ 1c Re: Stepping a Cal 28 mast Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:03 pm (PST) . Posted by: "Adam Thorp" th… [at] ymail.com Hi Brian, I have a 1964 Cal 28 and have stepped and unstepped the mast several times in the same way you describe. The tabernacle was installed on the boat when I purchased it. I'll check and see if I have some pictures of the setup when I am at my home machine. Cheers, Adam On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > hi, welcome to cal boats! what is the inside and outside dimension of the > deck rim, are you set on a same as original design? or we have a couple of > old lewmar hatches that might be good. Also maybe make a mold off another > cal 27, then plywood and fiberglass up a replacement. It's actually one of > the easier items to make yourself. there are quite a few 27s around the sf > bay where we are located. Helen and Edward (the new owner of our cal 29 > set up the boat to tqbernacle for santa cruz harbor, involves winches, and > a custom made deck"hinge"). > > > On Thursday, December 18, 2014 4:32 PM, "fl… [at] yahoo.com > [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Greetings all, > I am wondering if anyone has any experience stepping a mast on a Cal 28? > I recently bought a 1963 hull in moderate condition and in progress on a > total rehab. For the most part the standing rigging is in good shape but > the mast does need to come down for refitting of some parts. > > The boat is in a small out of the way harbor in Northern California so all > of the work has to be done there and by my brother and myself. > > I am very aware that it may be wiser to just buy a boat in good condition, > but this process is a pastime that my brother and I share and enjoy. To me > it also it is providing an intimate understanding of this particular boat, > which I have already bonded with. We are of the same era and I really > love the design. I can’t wait to sail it. > > My brother has pretty much completed a similar and extensive refit of a > tall rigged Catalina 27. He used to restore cars professionally and so has > a lot of mechanical ability. I generally hand him the wrenches and provide > the menial labor. [image: 😊] > > He installed a tabernacle in the interest of being able to remast under > adverse conditions. When we put the mast back up on his boat it made the > process pretty slick. (The tabernacle is a bracket that provides a pivot > point on a thick bolt for the base of the mast.) The boom started > vertically with the main sheet rigged from the extreme point of the boom to > the stern, two lines from the boom to the winches on each side to > stabilize laterally and a single line running from the port stern railing, > to a block at the top of the mast and back to a block at the starboard > stern railing. It took about five minutes max to hoist the mast into > place, and felt under control while it was coming up. As it got closer > and closer to it’s resting point it became easier and easier of course. > > I have seen another mast stepped with a midpoint tripod rig from the deck, > and generally it worked but felt a little more dangerous. There is a good > video of this process about halfway through the program ‘180 South’ > available now on Netflix. I expect that I will have to use this process > to bring the mast down. > > Because of the deck structure of the Cal28 I would have to fabricate a > block of aluminum or a casting or something (any suggestions? ) to provide a > base for a tabernacle otherwise I would just bolt one on for the > raising. Just next to the mast the starboard side drops down about three > inches. Can anyone tell me if the mast is sitting in a recess or is it > simply flat on the deck? The Cal has a wooden compression support > vertically through the cabin. > > So does anyone have any advice on how to safely and successfully take the > mast down and up? Any online resources that you could point me to? A > challenge is good but I don't want to drop the mast or anything like that. > > I just recently joined this list and am already very grateful for your > insights and experience. > > Also looking for a forward hatch cover if anyone knows of a Cal salvage > yard or such. > > Thank you kindly. > > Brian Sorbo > Noyo Harbor > Ft. Bragg, CA > > > > > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^VISIT YOUR GROUP - New Members 2 • Privacy • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use

Brian, our best one with frame and hatch measures 24 1/4 square on the inside, too big. Will measure two in storage, but don't think they are square. Probably will find yourself building one. Nice thing about cals is they use rectangular hatches without compound angles. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Brian, I sent a message to your email this afternoon about a cal 28 and it's hatches, check it out in case it went to spam,,helen On Monday, December 29, 2014 3:01 PM, "Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Brian, our best one with frame and hatch measures 24 1/4 square on the inside, too big. Will measure two in storage, but don't think they are square. Probably will find yourself building one. Nice thing about cals is they use rectangular hatches without compound angles. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android