Cal 29 outboard

I just picked up a 72 cal 29 that has a non working inboard. I want to put an outboard on it to be able to move it around the intracoastal as necessary from the anchorage area to dock, etc. As I'm not overly familiar with this on sailboats, would a long shaft work attached to the transom? Or would I need one of those adjustable mounts and then either a short or long outboard? Not looking at using it for heavy waves, etc, right now. Thanks. Joe - Cal 29 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

We have an outboard with a long shaft on our CAL 25. It's a 9.9hp on the transom and it works great. Best Regards, Shauna L. Welch Cell: 440.305.1340 Email: sm… [at] gmail.com > On Apr 18, 2015, at 10:27 PM, "Joseph Schoepp jo… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > I just picked up a 72 cal 29 that has a non working inboard. I want to put an outboard on it to be able to move it around the intracoastal as necessary from the anchorage area to dock, etc. As I'm not overly familiar with this on sailboats, would a long shaft work attached to the transom? Or would I need one of those adjustable mounts and then either a short or long outboard? Not looking at using it for heavy waves, etc, right now. Thanks. > > Joe - Cal 29 > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad >

we had an outboard longshaft on our cal 29 Noahs Kid for a while, it was on a bracket to lift and lower out of and into water. it was centered and after we repaired the inboard we were able to put a folding ladder on the transom. Should you opt for this outboard, be sure to have enough backing on the cockpit side to not tear out the transom. Also I recommend a one way scupper drain cover, screw on outside. It keeps your feet dry as the outboard digs in. And lowers the aft end. Helen Horn, Caliente, cal 36 SF Bay Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Joseph Schoepp jo… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date:Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:27 PM Subject:[Cal_Boats] Cal 29 outboard I just picked up a 72 cal 29 that has a non working inboard. I want to put an outboard on it to be able to move it around the intracoastal as necessary from the anchorage area to dock, etc. As I'm not overly familiar with this on sailboats, would a long shaft work attached to the transom? Or would I need one of those adjustable mounts and then either a short or long outboard? Not looking at using it for heavy waves, etc, right now. Thanks. Joe - Cal 29 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

Ours was a 15 horse on the 29..Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Joseph Schoepp jo… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date:Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:27 PM Subject:[Cal_Boats] Cal 29 outboard I just picked up a 72 cal 29 that has a non working inboard. I want to put an outboard on it to be able to move it around the intracoastal as necessary from the anchorage area to dock, etc. As I'm not overly familiar with this on sailboats, would a long shaft work attached to the transom? Or would I need one of those adjustable mounts and then either a short or long outboard? Not looking at using it for heavy waves, etc, right now. Thanks. Joe - Cal 29 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

For sure Long shaft (20') or extra long shaft (25") is preferred for putting on a transom mount. A standard 15" will lift the prop out of the water too often when pitching over waves of any size. For just moving in the harbor with no boat wakes or waves you might get by with a 15" mounted really low. If you are planning to keep the outboard permanently (either for primary engine or a back up engine) for your sloop, then i'd go with a 25" long unit with an alternator or at least confirm alternator availability for the OB model. Some companies have "sail boat" model of outboards that are 25" with an alternator. Also if you are just temporarily moving around a marina, you can tie a dinghy up to a rear quarter and use it as a tug to push the boat around without getting a bracket for your transom or a long shaft OB. If you want a nice backup power source for longer cruises, then a 8-10hp long shaft OB that sits on a lifting OB mount with an alternator will fill the bill nicely.

I have a Garelick bracket with a 9.9 Honda, short shaft. I've tried the long shaft and with that bracket the motor head hits the transom before the motor can be locked in the up position, so the prop is always dragging on the water. With the short shaft the prop is out of the water in the first lock up position. So, either go with the cut transom or get a bracket that's long enough to let you tilt the prop out of the water, otherwise you'll be stuck with the short shaft, and it do cabitate on waves Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone At Apr 19, 2015, 12:24:13 PM, th… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: For sure Long shaft (20') or extra long shaft (25") is preferred for putting on a transom mount. A standard 15" will lift the prop out of the water too often when pitching over waves of any size. For just moving in the harbor with no boat wakes or waves you might get by with a 15" mounted really low. If you are planning to keep the outboard permanently (either for primary engine or a back up engine) for your sloop, then i'd go with a 25" long unit with an alternator or at least confirm alternator availability for the OB model. Some companies have "sail boat" model of outboards that are 25" with an alternator. Also if you are just temporarily moving around a marina, you can tie a dinghy up to a rear quarter and use it as a tug to push the boat around without getting a bracket for your transom or a long shaft OB. If you want a nice backup power source for longer cruises, then a 8-10hp long shaft OB that sits on a lifting OB mount with an alternator will fill the bill nicely.

Thanks. So with the adjustable garelick I could use a short shat 9.9 or 15 and that mount. Should I mount it center or off to the side? Thanks From:"Walter March ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date:Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:45 PM Subject:Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 outboard I have a Garelick bracket with a 9.9 Honda, short shaft. I've tried the long shaft and with that bracket the motor head hits the transom before the motor can be locked in the up position, so the prop is always dragging on the water. With the short shaft the prop is out of the water in the first lock up position. So, either go with the cut transom or get a bracket that's long enough to let you tilt the prop out of the water, otherwise you'll be stuck with the short shaft, and it do cabitate on waves Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone At Apr 19, 2015, 12:24:13 PM, th… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats]Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com'> wrote: For sure Long shaft (20') or extra long shaft (25") is preferred for putting on a transom mount. A standard 15" will lift the prop out of the water too often when pitching over waves of any size. For just moving in the harbor with no boat wakes or waves you might get by with a 15" mounted really low. If you are planning to keep the outboard permanently (either for primary engine or a back up engine) for your sloop, then i'd go with a 25" long unit with an alternator or at least confirm alternator availability for the OB model. Some companies have "sail boat" model of outboards that are 25" with an alternator. Also if you are just temporarily moving around a marina, you can tie a dinghy up to a rear quarter and use it as a tug to push the boat around without getting a bracket for your transom or a long shaft OB. If you want a nice backup power source for longer cruises, then a 8-10hp long shaft OB that sits on a lifting OB mount with an alternator will fill the bill nicely.

Have you looked into repair or replacement of the inboard? There is considerable time and money involved in chopping up your boat, not to mention bracket, steering accommodations, and any resale value (there is still value for a cal 29 that hasn't been butchered..think over 5 K reduction in value). Then theft possibilities of the outboard. We couldn't fix our inboard fast enough to get away from the hassle. that was 2003 and the A4 is still running strong. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Walter March ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date:Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 9:45 AM Subject:Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 outboard I have a Garelick bracket with a 9.9 Honda, short shaft. I've tried the long shaft and with that bracket the motor head hits the transom before the motor can be locked in the up position, so the prop is always dragging on the water. With the short shaft the prop is out of the water in the first lock up position. So, either go with the cut transom or get a bracket that's long enough to let you tilt the prop out of the water, otherwise you'll be stuck with the short shaft, and it do cabitate on waves Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone At Apr 19, 2015, 12:24:13 PM, th… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats]Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com'> wrote: For sure Long shaft (20') or extra long shaft (25") is preferred for putting on a transom mount. A standard 15" will lift the prop out of the water too often when pitching over waves of any size. For just moving in the harbor with no boat wakes or waves you might get by with a 15" mounted really low. If you are planning to keep the outboard permanently (either for primary engine or a back up engine) for your sloop, then i'd go with a 25" long unit with an alternator or at least confirm alternator availability for the OB model. Some companies have "sail boat" model of outboards that are 25" with an alternator. Also if you are just temporarily moving around a marina, you can tie a dinghy up to a rear quarter and use it as a tug to push the boat around without getting a bracket for your transom or a long shaft OB. If you want a nice backup power source for longer cruises, then a 8-10hp long shaft OB that sits on a lifting OB mount with an alternator will fill the bill nicely.

I agree on repairing your inboard engine. Outboards are very expensive, require a lot of maintenance, are dangerous to operate when you must lean over the transom to shift gears or adjust speed. What inboard do you have? What is the problem with it? I have been repairing A4's since 1967 and still have some + parts. I also rebuild Perkins 4.108 diesel engines. If you just need to move your boat occasionally while the inboard is repaired, you can use your dinghy. Many years ago, I tied my 12' dinghy with a 15HP outboard alongside our Cal 46, (38,000 pounds) and I sat in the dinghy while my wife steered. In flat water, I was able to push our Cal 46 at 4.5 knots. The only means of propelling a boat more expensive than an outboard is two blue eyed, blonde virgins with oars ;-) Tom Vandiver"Satori" Cal 46, Bayou Chico, FL From: "Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 outboard | Have you looked into repair or replacement of the inboard? There is considerable time and money involved in chopping up your boat, not to mention bracket, steering accommodations, and any resale value (there is still value for a cal 29 that hasn't been butchered..think over 5 K reduction in value). Then theft possibilities of the outboard. We couldn't fix our inboard fast enough to get away from the hassle. that was 2003 and the A4 is still running strong. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android | From:"Walter March ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date:Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 9:45 AM Subject:Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 outboard | I have a Garelick bracket with a 9.9 Honda, short shaft. I've tried the long shaft and with that bracket the motor head hits the transom before the motor can be locked in the up position, so the prop is always dragging on the water. With the short shaft the prop is out of the water in the first lock up position. So, either go with the cut transom or get a bracket that's long enough to let you tilt the prop out of the water, otherwise you'll be stuck with the short shaft, and it do cabitate on waves Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone At Apr 19, 2015, 12:24:13 PM, th… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats]Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com'> wrote: For sure Long shaft (20') or extra long shaft (25") is preferred for putting on a transom mount. A standard 15" will lift the prop out of the water too often when pitching over waves of any size. For just moving in the harbor with no boat wakes or waves you might get by with a 15" mounted really low. If you are planning to keep the outboard permanently (either for primary engine or a back up engine) for your sloop, then i'd go with a 25" long unit with an alternator or at least confirm alternator availability for the OB model. Some companies have "sail boat" model of outboards that are 25" with an alternator. Also if you are just temporarily moving around a marina, you can tie a dinghy up to a rear quarter and use it as a tug to push the boat around without getting a bracket for your transom or a long shaft OB. If you want a nice backup power source for longer cruises, then a 8-10hp long shaft OB that sits on a lifting OB mount with an alternator will fill the bill nicely. | | |

Plan is to repair the engine. The original was an a4, however it was replaced with what I was told is a yanmar diesel. No idea what's wrong with it, but really can't work on it till I get the boat in a better spot, so I was gonna do the outboard and keep the outboard as a backup when and if the diesel is fixed. Think I could move it with an inflatable with a 15hp on it, attached to the hip of the sailboat, steering from the sailboat? Thanks Joe - Cal 29 From:"Tom Vandiver bs… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date:Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:25 PM Subject:Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 outboard I agree on repairing your inboard engine. Outboards are very expensive, require a lot of maintenance, are dangerous to operate when you must lean over the transom to shift gears or adjust speed. What inboard do you have? What is the problem with it? I have been repairing A4's since 1967 and still have some + parts. I also rebuild Perkins 4.108 diesel engines. If you just need to move your boat occasionally while the inboard is repaired, you can use your dinghy. Many years ago, I tied my 12' dinghy with a 15HP outboard alongside our Cal 46, (38,000 pounds) and I sat in the dinghy while my wife steered. In flat water, I was able to push our Cal 46 at 4.5 knots. The only means of propelling a boat more expensive than an outboard is two blue eyed, blonde virgins with oars ;-) Tom Vandiver "Satori" Cal 46, Bayou Chico, FL From: "Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 outboard Have you looked into repair or replacement of the inboard? There is considerable time and money involved in chopping up your boat, not to mention bracket, steering accommodations, and any resale value (there is still value for a cal 29 that hasn't been butchered..think over 5 K reduction in value). Then theft possibilities of the outboard. We couldn't fix our inboard fast enough to get away from the hassle. that was 2003 and the A4 is still running strong. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Walter March ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date:Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 9:45 AM Subject:Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 outboard I have a Garelick bracket with a 9.9 Honda, short shaft. I've tried the long shaft and with that bracket the motor head hits the transom before the motor can be locked in the up position, so the prop is always dragging on the water. With the short shaft the prop is out of the water in the first lock up position. So, either go with the cut transom or get a bracket that's long enough to let you tilt the prop out of the water, otherwise you'll be stuck with the short shaft, and it do cabitate on waves Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone At Apr 19, 2015, 12:24:13 PM, th… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats]Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com'> wrote: For sure Long shaft (20') or extra long shaft (25") is preferred for putting on a transom mount. A standard 15" will lift the prop out of the water too often when pitching over waves of any size. For just moving in the harbor with no boat wakes or waves you might get by with a 15" mounted really low. If you are planning to keep the outboard permanently (either for primary engine or a back up engine) for your sloop, then i'd go with a 25" long unit with an alternator or at least confirm alternator availability for the OB model. Some companies have "sail boat" model of outboards that are 25" with an alternator. Also if you are just temporarily moving around a marina, you can tie a dinghy up to a rear quarter and use it as a tug to push the boat around without getting a bracket for your transom or a long shaft OB. If you want a nice backup power source for longer cruises, then a 8-10hp long shaft OB that sits on a lifting OB mount with an alternator will fill the bill nicely.

I would always go with a long shaft, being as that the stern of a sailboat is like a rocking/hobby horse, and in any kind of wave action, or heeling of the boat under sail the prop tends to come out of the water, the engine races, and, at least with my boat-engine combination, the rubber prop bushing is eventually torn apart leaving you with almost no motive power. That happens with a 24' boat with low freeboard, and a Fulton scissors mount, which is close to best case scenario for sailboats with outboard auxiliaries. Other than that, it's a great combination for going places when there's no wind, such as cruising up the coast at night in flat water. With just a 4 HP Suzuki, I can make 5.4 knots at cruise level throttle, and cutting back to 1/3 throttle I can still make mid fours, which really extends the range, especially when you think you're low on fuel. The Cal 25 comes standard with an outboard cut out in the transom, as does one version of the Cal 29. Ranger 26 is designed with an outboard well, as is one version of the Catalina 27. Powering with an outboard bracket on the stern is pretty common here in Marina del Rey, when folks have an inboard they can't afford to replace. It's a valid alternative for docking and getting you home when the wind dies, but, no, it's not the way to go for the cruiser, and yeah, it's ugly.Gerald Sobel. On Sunday, April 19, 2015 9:56 AM, "Joseph Schoepp jo… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: | Thanks. So with the adjustable garelick I could use a short shat 9.9 or 15 and that mount. Should I mount it center or off to the side? Thanks | From:"Walter March ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date:Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:45 PM Subject:Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 outboard | I have a Garelick bracket with a 9.9 Honda, short shaft. I've tried the long shaft and with that bracket the motor head hits the transom before the motor can be locked in the up position, so the prop is always dragging on the water. With the short shaft the prop is out of the water in the first lock up position. So, either go with the cut transom or get a bracket that's long enough to let you tilt the prop out of the water, otherwise you'll be stuck with the short shaft, and it do cabitate on waves Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone At Apr 19, 2015, 12:24:13 PM, th… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats]Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com'> wrote: For sure Long shaft (20') or extra long shaft (25") is preferred for putting on a transom mount. A standard 15" will lift the prop out of the water too often when pitching over waves of any size. For just moving in the harbor with no boat wakes or waves you might get by with a 15" mounted really low. If you are planning to keep the outboard permanently (either for primary engine or a back up engine) for your sloop, then i'd go with a 25" long unit with an alternator or at least confirm alternator availability for the OB model. Some companies have "sail boat" model of outboards that are 25" with an alternator. Also if you are just temporarily moving around a marina, you can tie a dinghy up to a rear quarter and use it as a tug to push the boat around without getting a bracket for your transom or a long shaft OB. If you want a nice backup power source for longer cruises, then a 8-10hp long shaft OB that sits on a lifting OB mount with an alternator will fill the bill nicely. | | |

Thanks everyone for the responses. My friend has a 9' hard bottom inflatable with an 8hp engine and said that it could be used to move the boat the few hundred feet across the intracoastal. Will that be a big enough engine to push his boat tied to the side of mine while I stear from the sailboat? Joe - Cal 29

it would in flat calm, dont know the ICW; if you have a choice of current times and flow, and least wind, to help or at least not cause resistance against your desired destination. Helen (good choice Joe). On Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:55 PM, "Joseph Schoepp jo… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: | Thanks everyone for the responses. My friend has a 9' hard bottom inflatable with an 8hp engine and said that it could be used to move the boat the few hundred feet across the intracoastal. Will that be a big enough engine to push his boat tied to the side of mine while I stear from the sailboat? Joe - Cal 29 |

That's enough tug power to do anything you wish. We had a Cal 33 develop engine problems at a Cal Club Champagne Convention at Howlands Landing, Catalina, and we side towed it back to Marina del Rey with an inflatable with an outboard, a distance of over 33 miles, across the San Pedro Channel, doing 4 plus knots the whole way. We entered the Marina del Rey main channel just after dark, and Per Curtis got the bright idea to switch on his mast head strobe light. Altho he warned the Harbor Patrol he was doing it, one of their crash oats didn't get the message, saw the strobe (which is classified as a distress signal) and went roaring all through the marina at 30 knots, practically tearing many of the boats from the dock. What excitement!Which reminds me, Isn't this about the time we used to have our annual CCCCCC? And how do I alter the title of this post? It used to be easy. On Sunday, April 19, 2015 2:03 PM, "Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: it would in flat calm, dont know the ICW; if you have a choice of current times and flow, and least wind, to help or at least not cause resistance against your desired destination. Helen (good choice Joe). On Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:55 PM, "Joseph Schoepp jo… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: | Thanks everyone for the responses. My friend has a 9' hard bottom inflatable with an 8hp engine and said that it could be used to move the boat the few hundred feet across the intracoastal. Will that be a big enough engine to push his boat tied to the side of mine while I stear from the sailboat? Joe - Cal 29 |