RE: [Cal_Boats] storm losses

Helen I also noticed the afterthought to pfds in the video. IMHO that is the fault of a completely irresponsible captain. We had a horrible capsize in a Biloxi race about 20 years ago where about a dozen boats capsized in a microburst. one small sailboat ( I remember the name of it but not the type of boat) had its mast snapped clean off (I think they decided in retrospect their rigging was too tight), and none of the crew could get to the pfds, which were below in the aft storage. One young woman came very close to drowning because she had never learned to swim. Luckily she had something floating to hold onto until she was rescued. Janet Plume 826 Fern St. New Orleans, LA 70118 Tel: +1.504.866.7076 Mob: +1.504.872.4039 Email: <mailto:pl… [at] cox.net> pl… [at] cox.net Skype: janet.plume From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:27 AM To: CalList Subject: [Cal_Boats] storm losses Notice the video, showing pfds going to crew after the video was half over. What is with boaters too proud or too cool to wear their pfds? No matter how good a swimmer you are, if you're unconscious, you can't swim. And if you are wearing it, you won't have to swim around looking for flotation to share. Fortunately two people were lucky enough to find a cushion to hold. Another law because some are in denial? My crew wear one or they're not on my boat. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>

There are so many mistakes in this video as to be unbelievable. 1. At first sighting of the storm all hands should have put on life jackets! 2. The mainsail should have been double wrapped with an extra line and/or covered. 3. When the storm was close at hand the engine should have been reduced to slow ahead and the boat rounded up to weather and head to wind. 4. At least one of the crew should have been stationed below to answer and send VHF messages. 5. Running with the wind on the quarter risked capsize from microburst winds from the storm. 6. Attempting to place the lifejacket on the skipper risked the safety of the skipper and the mate. 7. The man overboard equipment was woefully inadequate for any vessel of this size heading out into the waters she was navigating. I would never have posted such an embarrassing video unless I was simply so uneducated in seamanship as to think it reasonable. Of even more remarkable poor seamanship is the vessel seen early in the storm’s encroachment trying to continue to race with full mainsail and jib set that was broaching. Upon seeing the approaching storm the race should have been abandoned by the skipper and sails dropped and furled or stowed. I will never forge the storm I went through on the Hudson River where several people drowned from capsizing. We had dropped sail, headed into the wind and approached the windward shore for protection when a 45’ sailboat passed us astern with all sail still up. I shouted at the top of my lungs for them to drop sail and watched them get the sails down only seconds before the 90 knot gusts hit from the storm. Number one duty of a skipper is to keep oneself educated as to the techniques needed to keep your boat and crew safe in weather and conditions that might be encountered where you are sailing. The people on that video are lucky to be alive — they certainly don’t owe their lives to the actions of their captain. Don Dutton, Cal 33-2, “Quantum Evolution” > On Apr 28, 2015, at 9:47 AM, 'Janet Plume' pl… [at] cox.net [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Helen > > I also noticed the afterthought to pfds in the video. IMHO that is the fault of a completely irresponsible captain. > > > > We had a horrible capsize in a Biloxi race about 20 years ago where about a dozen boats capsized in a microburst. one small sailboat ( I remember the name of it but not the type of boat) had its mast snapped clean off (I think they decided in retrospect their rigging was too tight), and none of the crew could get to the pfds, which were below in the aft storage. > > > > One young woman came very close to drowning because she had never learned to swim. Luckily she had something floating to hold onto until she was rescued. > > > > Janet Plume > > 826 Fern St. > > New Orleans, LA 70118 > > Tel: +1.504.866.7076 > > Mob: +1.504.872.4039 > > Email: pl… [at] cox.net <mailto:pl… [at] cox.net> > Skype: janet.plume > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:27 AM > To: CalList > Subject: [Cal_Boats] storm losses > > > > > > > Notice the video, showing pfds going to crew after the video was half over. What is with boaters too proud or too cool to wear their pfds? No matter how good a swimmer you are, if you're unconscious, you can't swim. And if you are wearing it, you won't have to swim around looking for flotation to share. Fortunately two people were lucky enough to find a cushion to hold. Another law because some are in denial? My crew wear one or they're not on my boat. Helen > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > >

On 4/28/2015 2:37 PM, Donald C Dutton dn… [at] comcast.net [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > > I would never have posted such an embarrassing video unless I was > simply so uneducated in seamanship as to think it reasonable. Or perhaps the person was so embarrassed by the errors that he or she wanted to use the blunders for their educational effect. Maybe I've just got a high tolerance for humiliation after all these years, but I find that my biggest mistakes are the most instructive. Luckily, most of them were ashore, and the ones on the water did not cause harm to humans. Let me just ask you--how many of you have run your forestay into a high-voltage power line? I was young and stupid, and my brother was at the helm (his fault?) and he was younger than I, and we did it. It made me forever leery of old charts. Oh, and by the way, one of the most experienced sailors I know, a guy ten yours older than I am, sailed with me two years ago on my boat and we were tacking out a dredged channel. Lots of short tacks just as we were reaching a turn that would let us reach. He said I could sail outside the green buoy there. I knew it had been really shallow just outside the channel there, but figured that he had some local knowledge of the effects of dredging. Within 30 feet we were firmly aground. We've got over a hundred years of sailing between us, and we made a blunder so elementary that even the power boaters rarely make it. But you get the idea. If I do something dumb, I should use it to teach others. Chris Campbell

Hi folks,Are you referring to this video? It was made from the stern of a boat, probably by a Go-Pro camera, during the blow.https://us-mg0.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=3kv4nrf2bgc2k#8597713136 I was out sailing Sat. under small craft warnings. Our VHF was down, and we misunderstood the race committee boat which was stationed inside the break water, that the race was cancelled, so we went out under mainsail to see the sea conditions, which were pretty rough with steep waves, but the wind was manageable. We decided it was, so we snuck back inside behind the detached breakwater, raised the jib and went out. It was pretty ferocious, but we were having a blast with great wind and wild seas, breaking 10 waves, and proceed a few miles south to the 2ES buoy, watched the tankers maneuvering outside the refinery, then turned around and came in. Got back after the race to the yacht club and found out the race was held inside the harbor. I don't think we were up for tacking up and down the main channel anyway, and I think we had way more fun out there than anyone.Besides wearing PFDs (OMG, now that you mentioned it, it never occurred to me either. I should have had my crew in one even if I'm cavalier about it)..it's a good idea to check the weather forcast and be prepared. We saw the weather warnings about the Gulf storm conditions, even on the west coast, for days, from the NOAA weather site..Jerry of Shpriz On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 12:47 PM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 4/28/2015 2:37 PM, Donald C Dutton dn… [at] comcast.net [Cal_Boats] wrote: I would never have posted such an embarrassing video unless I was simply so uneducated in seamanship as to think it reasonable. Or perhaps the person was so embarrassed by the errors that he or she wanted to use the blunders for their educational effect. Maybe I've just got a high tolerance for humiliation after all these years, but I find that my biggest mistakes are the most instructive. Luckily, most of them were ashore, and the ones on the water did not cause harm to humans. Let me just ask you--how many of you have run your forestay into a high-voltage power line? I was young and stupid, and my brother was at the helm (his fault?) and he was younger than I, and we did it. It made me forever leery of old charts. Oh, and by the way, one of the most experienced sailors I know, a guy ten yours older than I am, sailed with me two years ago on my boat and we were tacking out a dredged channel. Lots of short tacks just as we were reaching a turn that would let us reach. He said I could sail outside the green buoy there. I knew it had been really shallow just outside the channel there, but figured that he had some local knowledge of the effects of dredging. Within 30 feet we were firmly aground. We've got over a hundred years of sailing between us, and we made a blunder so elementary that even the power boaters rarely make it. But you get the idea. If I do something dumb, I should use it to teach others. Chris Campbell

Can someone post a clean link to the video, like on youtube. I am not getting anything but some inbox long abandoned. Allen On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Hi folks, > Are you referring to this video? It was made from the stern of a boat, > probably by a Go-Pro camera, during the blow. > https://us-mg0.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=3kv4nrf2bgc2k#8597713136 > I was out sailing Sat. under small craft warnings. Our VHF was down, and > we misunderstood the race committee boat which was stationed inside the > break water, that the race was cancelled, so we went out under mainsail to > see the sea conditions, which were pretty rough with steep waves, but the > wind was manageable. We decided it was, so we snuck back inside behind the > detached breakwater, raised the jib and went out. It was pretty ferocious, > but we were having a blast with great wind and wild seas, breaking 10 > waves, and proceed a few miles south to the 2ES buoy, watched the tankers > maneuvering outside the refinery, then turned around and came in. Got back > after the race to the yacht club and found out the race was held inside the > harbor. I don't think we were up for tacking up and down the main channel > anyway, and I think we had way more fun out there than anyone. > Besides wearing PFDs (OMG, now that you mentioned it, it never occurred to > me either. I should have had my crew in one even if I'm cavalier about > it)..it's a good idea to check the weather forcast and be prepared. We saw > the weather warnings about the Gulf storm conditions, even on the west > coast, for days, from the NOAA weather site.. > Jerry of Shpriz > > > > On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 12:47 PM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org > [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 4/28/2015 2:37 PM, Donald C Dutton dn… [at] comcast.net [Cal_Boats] > wrote: > > > I would never have posted such an embarrassing video unless I was simply > so uneducated in seamanship as to think it reasonable. > > > Or perhaps the person was so embarrassed by the errors that he or she > wanted to use the blunders for their educational effect. Maybe I've just > got a high tolerance for humiliation after all these years, but I find that > my biggest mistakes are the most instructive. Luckily, most of them were > ashore, and the ones on the water did not cause harm to humans. Let me > just ask you--how many of you have run your forestay into a high-voltage > power line? I was young and stupid, and my brother was at the helm (his > fault?) and he was younger than I, and we did it. It made me forever leery > of old charts. Oh, and by the way, one of the most experienced sailors I > know, a guy ten yours older than I am, sailed with me two years ago on my > boat and we were tacking out a dredged channel. Lots of short tacks just > as we were reaching a turn that would let us reach. He said I could sail > outside the green buoy there. I knew it had been really shallow just > outside the channel there, but figured that he had some local knowledge of > the effects of dredging. Within 30 feet we were firmly aground. We've got > over a hundred years of sailing between us, and we made a blunder so > elementary that even the power boaters rarely make it. > > But you get the idea. If I do something dumb, I should use it to teach > others. > > Chris Campbell > > > > >

hi Allen, it's on lectronic latitude, april 27 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date:Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 5:43 PM Subject:Re: [Cal_Boats] storm losses Can someone post a clean link to the video, like on youtube. I am not getting anything but some inbox long abandoned. Allen On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi folks, Are you referring to this video? It was made from the stern of a boat, probably by a Go-Pro camera, during the blow. https://us-mg0.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=3kv4nrf2bgc2k#8597713136 I was out sailing Sat. under small craft warnings. Our VHF was down, and we misunderstood the race committee boat which was stationed inside the break water, that the race was cancelled, so we went out under mainsail to see the sea conditions, which were pretty rough with steep waves, but the wind was manageable. We decided it was, so we snuck back inside behind the detached breakwater, raised the jib and went out. It was pretty ferocious, but we were having a blast with great wind and wild seas, breaking 10 waves, and proceed a few miles south to the 2ES buoy, watched the tankers maneuvering outside the refinery, then turned around and came in. Got back after the race to the yacht club and found out the race was held inside the harbor. I don't think we were up for tacking up and down the main channel anyway, and I think we had way more fun out there than anyone. Besides wearing PFDs (OMG, now that you mentioned it, it never occurred to me either. I should have had my crew in one even if I'm cavalier about it)..it's a good idea to check the weather forcast and be prepared. We saw the weather warnings about the Gulf storm conditions, even on the west coast, for days, from the NOAA weather site.. Jerry of Shpriz On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 12:47 PM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 4/28/2015 2:37 PM, Donald C Dutton dn… [at] comcast.net [Cal_Boats] wrote: I would never have posted such an embarrassing video unless I was simply so uneducated in seamanship as to think it reasonable. Or perhaps the person was so embarrassed by the errors that he or she wanted to use the blunders for their educational effect. Maybe I've just got a high tolerance for humiliation after all these years, but I find that my biggest mistakes are the most instructive. Luckily, most of them were ashore, and the ones on the water did not cause harm to humans. Let me just ask you--how many of you have run your forestay into a high-voltage power line? I was young and stupid, and my brother was at the helm (his fault?) and he was younger than I, and we did it. It made me forever leery of old charts. Oh, and by the way, one of the most experienced sailors I know, a guy ten yours older than I am, sailed with me two years ago on my boat and we were tacking out a dredged channel. Lots of short tacks just as we were reaching a turn that would let us reach. He said I could sail outside the green buoy there. I knew it had been really shallow just outside the channel there, but figured that he had some local knowledge of the effects of dredging. Within 30 feet we were firmly aground. We've got over a hundred years of sailing between us, and we made a blunder so elementary that even the power boaters rarely make it. But you get the idea. If I do something dumb, I should use it to teach others. Chris Campbell

Leslie, I am pretty sure that Helen's comment about needing another law was pure sarcasm, politicians LOVE to pounce on a tragedy like this and use it as an excuse to pass more laws to protect us from our ourselves! Actions like that "buy" votes, and prove how much the government "cares for us". It isn't the "old salts" (or the freshwater equivalent) who are pushing for these intrusive laws, it is usually (but not always!) the landlubbers and politicians who think that commonsense can be legislated. Also, next time any of us are nearby when a USCG patrol boat goes out (no matter what the weather conditions are at the time) you will notice that EVERY crew member has donned a PFD. Commonsense for all of us to follow, but it is still should be OUR CHOICE whether we feel it necessary to put on a PFD! I always do now, but that is my choice.... I don't want any law telling me I have to! Survival of the fittest (or most prepared). Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 11:08:00 -0400 "NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: We do not need a law regarding life jackets. Why do people want more and more laws? Just be responsible for your own actions. Leslie "Puffin" On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Notice the video, showing pfds going to crew after the video was half over. What is with boaters too proud or too cool to wear their pfds? No matter how good a swimmer you are, if you're unconscious, you can't swim. And if you are wearing it, you won't have to swim around looking for flotation to share. Fortunately two people were lucky enough to find a cushion to hold. Another law because some are in denial? My crew wear one or they're not on my boat. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School & Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/554133c2f234c33c2213bst04duc

Rod, Understood and agree. I think it hit me like in the movie Brazil. There were two HVAC mechanics and someone mentioned a 27/Q form needed to be filled out and his buddy had to hit him upside the head with a huge wrench to calm him down. Happens to me when you mention 'Need New Law'. Leslie On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 3:39 PM, rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > >  > Leslie, I am pretty sure that Helen's comment about needing another law > was pure sarcasm, politicians LOVE to pounce on a tragedy like this and use > it as an excuse to pass more laws to protect us from our ourselves! > Actions like that "buy" votes, and prove how much the government "cares > for us". It isn't the "old salts" (or the freshwater equivalent) who are > pushing for these intrusive laws, it is usually (but not always!) the > landlubbers and politicians who think that commonsense can be legislated. > > Also, next time any of us are nearby when a USCG patrol boat goes out (no > matter what the weather conditions are at the time) you will notice that > EVERY crew member has donned a PFD. Commonsense for all of us to follow, > but it is still should be OUR CHOICE whether we feel it necessary to put on > a PFD! I always do now, but that is my choice.... I don't want any law > telling me I have to! Survival of the fittest (or most prepared). > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > 1979 O'DAY DS II > > On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 11:08:00 -0400 "NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: > > > > We do not need a law regarding life jackets. Why do people want more and > more laws? Just be responsible for your own actions. > Leslie > "Puffin" > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net > [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> Notice the video, showing pfds going to crew after the video was half >> over. What is with boaters too proud or too cool to wear their pfds? No >> matter how good a swimmer you are, if you're unconscious, you can't swim. >> And if you are wearing it, you won't have to swim around looking for >> flotation to share. Fortunately two people were lucky enough to find a >> cushion to hold. Another law because some are in denial? My crew wear one >> or they're not on my boat. Helen >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Old School Yearbook Pics* > View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School Year. Look Now! > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/554133c2f234c33c2213bst04duc> > classmates.com > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/554133c2f234c33c2213bst04duc> > > >

I'm sure this is going to be taken as sarcasm, which it is, but more than likely the PFD manufacturers have lobbied politicians and those in authority to require their use. I remember when I was in the USAF: I had to stomp around with steel toed protectors over my combat boots when I was mowing grass. Never mind that I also had to wear goggles, gloves, and a reflective vest. At the end of the day, it's good plain good for business. From: "rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] storm losses Leslie, I am pretty sure that Helen's comment about needing another law was pure sarcasm, politicians LOVE to pounce on a tragedy like this and use it as an excuse to pass more laws to protect us from our ourselves!Actions like that "buy" votes, and prove how much the government "cares for us". It isn't the "old salts" (or the freshwater equivalent) who are pushing for these intrusive laws, it is usually (but not always!) the landlubbers and politicians who think that commonsense can be legislated. Also, next time any of us are nearby when a USCG patrol boat goes out (no matter what the weather conditions are at the time) you will notice that EVERY crew member has donned a PFD. Commonsense for all of us to follow, but it is still should be OUR CHOICE whether we feel it necessary to put on a PFD! I always do now, but that is my choice.... I don't want any law telling me I have to! Survival of the fittest (or most prepared). Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD"1979 O'DAY DS II On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 11:08:00 -0400 "NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: We do not need a law regarding life jackets. Why do people want more and more laws? Just be responsible for your own actions. Leslie "Puffin" On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: | Notice the video, showing pfds going to crew after the video was half over. What is with boaters too proud or too cool to wear their pfds? No matter how good a swimmer you are, if you're unconscious, you can't swim. And if you are wearing it, you won't have to swim around looking for flotation to share. Fortunately two people were lucky enough to find a cushion to hold. Another law because some are in denial? My crew wear one or they're not on my boat. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android | Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School Year. 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Finally got a glimpse of the new safety requirements for sail and power boats under 80'.(see attached). .....now that is sarcasm LOL. On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I'm sure this is going to be taken as sarcasm, which it is, but more than > likely the PFD manufacturers have lobbied politicians and those in > authority to require their use. I remember when I was in the USAF: I had > to stomp around with steel toed protectors over my combat boots when I was > mowing grass. Never mind that I also had to wear goggles, gloves, and a > reflective vest. > > At the end of the day, it's good plain good for business. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2015 3:39 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] storm losses > > >  > Leslie, I am pretty sure that Helen's comment about needing another law > was pure sarcasm, politicians LOVE to pounce on a tragedy like this and use > it as an excuse to pass more laws to protect us from our ourselves! > Actions like that "buy" votes, and prove how much the government "cares > for us". It isn't the "old salts" (or the freshwater equivalent) who are > pushing for these intrusive laws, it is usually (but not always!) the > landlubbers and politicians who think that commonsense can be legislated. > > Also, next time any of us are nearby when a USCG patrol boat goes out (no > matter what the weather conditions are at the time) you will notice that > EVERY crew member has donned a PFD. Commonsense for all of us to follow, > but it is still should be OUR CHOICE whether we feel it necessary to put on > a PFD! I always do now, but that is my choice.... I don't want any law > telling me I have to! Survival of the fittest (or most prepared). > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > 1979 O'DAY DS II > > > > On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 11:08:00 -0400 "NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: > > > We do not need a law regarding life jackets. Why do people want more and > more laws? Just be responsible for your own actions. > Leslie > "Puffin" > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net > [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Notice the video, showing pfds going to crew after the video was half > over. What is with boaters too proud or too cool to wear their pfds? No > matter how good a swimmer you are, if you're unconscious, you can't swim. > And if you are wearing it, you won't have to swim around looking for > flotation to share. Fortunately two people were lucky enough to find a > cushion to hold. Another law because some are in denial? My crew wear one > or they're not on my boat. Helen > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Old School Yearbook Pics* > View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School Year. Look Now! > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/554133c2f234c33c2213bst04duc> > classmates.com > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/554133c2f234c33c2213bst04duc> > > > >

The law that I primarily follow is The Law of Self-Preservation. As you mature, did you notice that you might be the most experienced sailor on board? Still like to show the ropes to some new participants? I don’t think it’s smart to have me go over the side while demonstrating my jukes with the spinnaker pole and someone else is at the helm. Turning 70, I don’t have the strength any longer to haul in a soaked and frightened swimmer. There’s another law out there - Taking Care of Your Crew. It’s a kindness to insist that crew members be prepared to assist in their own rescue. George Barlow > On Apr 29, 2015, at 3:15 PM, NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Rod, Understood and agree. I think it hit me like in the movie Brazil. There were two HVAC mechanics and someone mentioned a 27/Q form needed to be filled out and his buddy had to hit him upside the head with a huge wrench to calm him down. Happens to me when you mention 'Need New Law'. > Leslie > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 3:39 PM, rj… [at] juno.com <mailto:rj… [at] juno.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > >  > > Leslie, I am pretty sure that Helen's comment about needing another law was pure sarcasm, politicians LOVE to pounce on a tragedy like this and use it as an excuse to pass more laws to protect us from our ourselves! > Actions like that "buy" votes, and prove how much the government "cares for us". It isn't the "old salts" (or the freshwater equivalent) who are pushing for these intrusive laws, it is usually (but not always!) the landlubbers and politicians who think that commonsense can be legislated. > > Also, next time any of us are nearby when a USCG patrol boat goes out (no matter what the weather conditions are at the time) you will notice that EVERY crew member has donned a PFD. Commonsense for all of us to follow, but it is still should be OUR CHOICE whether we feel it necessary to put on a PFD! I always do now, but that is my choice.... I don't want any law telling me I have to! Survival of the fittest (or most prepared). > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > 1979 O'DAY DS II > > On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 11:08:00 -0400 "NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com <mailto:d2… [at] gmail.com> [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> writes: > > > We do not need a law regarding life jackets. Why do people want more and more laws? Just be responsible for your own actions. > Leslie > "Puffin" > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net <mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > > > > Notice the video, showing pfds going to crew after the video was half over. What is with boaters too proud or too cool to wear their pfds? No matter how good a swimmer you are, if you're unconscious, you can't swim. And if you are wearing it, you won't have to swim around looking for flotation to share. Fortunately two people were lucky enough to find a cushion to hold. Another law because some are in denial? My crew wear one or they're not on my boat. Helen > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Old School Yearbook Pics > View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School Year. Look Now! > <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/554133c2f234c33c2213bst04duc>classmates.com <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/554133c2f234c33c2213bst04duc> > > > > > <fpc.pl?ywarid=515FB27823A7407E&a=10001310322279&js=no&resp=img><logo-groups-137x15.png>

Leslie, your thoughts below (which I agree with!) remind me of an incident that occurred several years ago (but less than 10 years ago, I think) off Cape Cod. On a VERY cool and stormy Columbus Day, 2 "expert" kayakers left from a beach in Harwich, MA and paddled out into Nantucket Sound. They were later reported overdue and a search began. As I recall... the kayaks were found along with one body floating near Monomoy Island......... neither woman had been wearing a life jacket despite the conditions and it appears that neither of them even had one in the kayak. After this tragedy there was a huge push by several lawmakers to make it a legal requirement that ALL persons using a canoe or kayak in Massachusetts must wear a PFD during all months of the year. I guess they thought this would prevent all future drownings of paddlers? The interesting part of this is that Mass already requires that from September 15 to May 15 ALL persons using a canoe or Kayak MUST wear a USCG-Approved PFD.......... those 2 "experts" were already violating the current law, but maybe if we pass a stricter law they would have obeyed it??? Since 1972 Federal Law has required that ALL boats must carry at least 1 PFD for each person onboard (1996 the requirement was changed to require wearable PFDs, a type IV cushion could meet the original law). So, these 2 "expert" paddlers were in violation of both Federal law (no PFDs carried), and State Law (PFDs not worn as required, PLUS State law matches Federal on requiring the carrying of PFDs)......... Once again, we have to ask...... what makes lawmakers think that by making a law stricter, more people will obey it?? My theory, the majority of people that would obey a tougher law, would already be wearing a PFD when conditions dictated anyway... Law or no law. Perhaps some others would start wearing the PFD due to the new law, but I can not imagine even close to 100% success. Stand near a typical dinghy dock, count how many small boats carry PFDs........... not enough do! How many of those small boats leave in an overloaded condition? Too many! My favorites are the inflatable boat operators...... who figure that a boat full of air won't sink...so who needs a PFD (maybe the guy who's boat just started leaking air? Or the guy who just fell out of his boat as it hit a wake!) On bicycle helmets....... kids under 18 in Mass are required to wear helmets while riding a bike.......... amazing how young the average 18-year-old looks these days! I started wearing a helmet after my Parents started to wear them, I think I was around 28 years old or so when I bought my helmet. I now wear it whenever riding, and have it firmly strapped on (ever notice how many helmets are worn loose or the strap isn't even fastened? Guess I kind-of went beyond that paragraph! But, not quite a novel <GRIN!> Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 15:31:58 -0400 "NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: I won't type a novel because if everyone is similar to me, after a paragraph I lose interest in a post. Probably due to my age my mind starts to wander. My thinking is, laws are not going to make stupid people smarter. If they are too dumb to wear a jacket when the need arises I doubt they know the laws or will abide by them. And they should be in charge of themselves. I am an avid cyclist (cycle many centuries fast, sub 5 hours). I wear a helmet. Have been wearing one since 1990 when I got into mountain biking, then road cycling. It's my choice. One guy in our group doesn't. We tell him he's an idiot. He says he feels fine without. We say good luck with that. Leslie On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: objectively consider these issues: floating bodies(dead or alive) are more quickly located. "we" expect the search and rescue efforts of the coast guard or harbor patrols, an "entitlement," costs of time spent and rescuers life risk, at the expense of the general tax paying public, not necessarily boaters. When these laws are created, it costs more money to enforce, for sure. However, some justification is seen in that some boaters will then reduce the need for these heroic efforts, some insurance companies will (Ha ha) cut costs due to unlawful behavior, and as in motorcycle helmetless head injury survivors? and the tobacco "victims" that cost unfathomable amounts of medical expenses, quite often at the taxpayers expense. So to oversimplify, who likes paying for others stupidity? (I personally also hate ridiculous and hardly enforceable laws)..Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School & Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55416c0f5d4366c0f73dbst03duc