Asymmetrical w/o Sock

OK....found a great deal on an asymmetrical and bought it... Anybody fly these without a snuffer and if they do, what's the best procedure for jibing and dousing? I flew it off of the dock and it was large and very promising for this weekend's upcoming race. I'm considering integrating it into my top down furler system...or because I purchased it to have a good large downwind light air sail option to fly when I'm short-handed....buying a snuffer. Anybody...short-handed fly without the snuffer?

James, Yes, we fly our asymmetrical without a sock. How many crew? Hoisting is the easy part. For dousing, unfurl you headsail, turn downwind some, release the tack, drag it down the companion way or forward hatch (your choice) using the sheets. Have someone ease the halyard as it's pulled down. For gybing, it's best to have outside sheeting. Sheets need to be 2X the length of the boat. At the gybe, big ease on the sheet to allow the clew to fly ahead of the forestay, turn (gybe) the boat while the lazy sheet is pulled to bring the clew around the headstay. Practice in light air until you get the hang of it. From: "ja… [at] mac.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 3:54 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Asymmetrical w/o Sock OK....found a great deal on an asymmetrical and bought it... Anybody fly these without a snuffer and if they do, what's the best procedure for jibing and dousing? I flew it off of the dock and it was large and very promising for this weekend's upcoming race. I'm considering integrating it into my top down furler system...or because I purchased it to have a good large downwind light air sail option to fly when I'm short-handed....buying a snuffer. Anybody...short-handed fly without the snuffer?

We’ve flown an A chute on a CAL 28-2 with and without a snuffer, w/o the snuffer we hoisted it from the bag, jibed it was just letting it fly forward of the forestay and then pull it back on the new course. Dousing we used an approach similar to a symmetrical chute, release the tack pull in the sheet and lower the halyard, stuff into the cabin. The snuffer made some of these moves easier but added a lot of additional lines to get confused. John B CAL 227 #650 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 3:54 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Asymmetrical w/o Sock OK....found a great deal on an asymmetrical and bought it... Anybody fly these without a snuffer and if they do, what's the best procedure for jibing and dousing? I flew it off of the dock and it was large and very promising for this weekend's upcoming race. I'm considering integrating it into my top down furler system...or because I purchased it to have a good large downwind light air sail option to fly when I'm short-handed....buying a snuffer. Anybody...short-handed fly without the snuffer?

Michael, What do you attach the tack to? How do you like the performance relative to a symmetrical chute? John B From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 4:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Asymmetrical w/o Sock (James) James, Yes, we fly our asymmetrical without a sock. How many crew? Hoisting is the easy part. For dousing, unfurl you headsail, turn downwind some, release the tack, drag it down the companion way or forward hatch (your choice) using the sheets. Have someone ease the halyard as it's pulled down. For gybing, it's best to have outside sheeting. Sheets need to be 2X the length of the boat. At the gybe, big ease on the sheet to allow the clew to fly ahead of the forestay, turn (gybe) the boat while the lazy sheet is pulled to bring the clew around the headstay. Practice in light air until you get the hang of it. _____ From: "ja… [at] mac.com [Cal_Boats] <mailto:ja… [at] mac.com%20[Cal_Boats]> " <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 3:54 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Asymmetrical w/o Sock OK....found a great deal on an asymmetrical and bought it... Anybody fly these without a snuffer and if they do, what's the best procedure for jibing and dousing? I flew it off of the dock and it was large and very promising for this weekend's upcoming race. I'm considering integrating it into my top down furler system...or because I purchased it to have a good large downwind light air sail option to fly when I'm short-handed....buying a snuffer. Anybody...short-handed fly without the snuffer?

John, I replaced one of the bow stem fitting bolts with an eyebolt just below bow roller. I attach a line to the eyebolt and loop it over the bow roller. The line has shackles on both ends for easy installation and removal. I'll try to remember and take photos this weekend. Performance.... Depending on conditions, I can definitely carry the asymmetrical in air ahead of the beam (point higher). Short handed crew also favors the asymmetrical. Sea conditions are also a consideration. My symmetrical is a 180% radial and is mucho faster when broad reaching or running, but Magic can be a hand full downwind with the symmetrical and following seas. Can you say "death roll" ??? Been there done that. Michael From: "'John Boyce' je… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 4:12 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Asymmetrical w/o Sock (James) Michael,What do you attach the tack to?How do you like the performance relative to a symmetrical chute? John B From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 4:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Asymmetrical w/o Sock (James) James, Yes, we fly our asymmetrical without a sock. How many crew? Hoisting is the easy part. For dousing, unfurl you headsail, turn downwind some, release the tack, drag it down the companion way or forward hatch (your choice) using the sheets. Have someone ease the halyard as it's pulled down. For gybing, it's best to have outside sheeting. Sheets need to be 2X the length of the boat. At the gybe, big ease on the sheet to allow the clew to fly ahead of the forestay, turn (gybe) the boat while the lazy sheet is pulled to bring the clew around the headstay. Practice in light air until you get the hang of it. From: "ja… [at] mac.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 3:54 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Asymmetrical w/o Sock OK....found a great deal on an asymmetrical and bought it... Anybody fly these without a snuffer and if they do, what's the best procedure for jibing and dousing? I flew it off of the dock and it was large and very promising for this weekend's upcoming race. I'm considering integrating it into my top down furler system...or because I purchased it to have a good large downwind light air sail option to fly when I'm short-handed....buying a snuffer. 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I agree with Michael on everything, except of course, in the case of when you have an aftermarket bowsprit installed, which of course, you do. You should definitely run the aso with the bowsprit extended and then it makes sense to run the sheets inside. You have a nice gap betwixt forestay and the tip of your bowsprit to pull the spin through and I think you should do that. With a light-on-the hoof foredeck crew it is actually (my experience) easier and faster to gybe inside the luff of the Spin. Timing is important so you don’t get the clew and lazy sheet sucked through the foretriangle enough to hamper this from happening smoothly. Pretty easy to avoid once you get the turn rate figured and crew timing. It helps to have the foredeck person grab the “new” sheet and muscle the clew through the gap before you come onto the wind on the new tack. I like that the gap between forestay and the spin luff helps hold the lazy sheet out of the water while you are gybing without assigning a crew to monitor it. Make sense? On Mariposa, I bought an ASO with a sock and attempted to gybe it single handed. Only needed to try that once - I sucked the lazy sheet under the bow where it slipped under the keel and lodged firmly into the gap where my rudder post goes through the hull. Had to get down into a dingy and get my arm wet and cold to cure that. Second gybe was with the sock. Drop the sock, gybe the boat, secure the new sheet and pop the sock again - piece of cake and it only takes a minute. HTH Wilkie > On May 22, 2015, at 1:03 PM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > James, > > Yes, we fly our asymmetrical without a sock. How many crew? Hoisting is the easy part. For dousing, unfurl you headsail, turn downwind some, release the tack, drag it down the companion way or forward hatch (your choice) using the sheets. Have someone ease the halyard as it's pulled down. > > For gybing, it's best to have outside sheeting. Sheets need to be 2X the length of the boat. At the gybe, big ease on the sheet to allow the clew to fly ahead of the forestay, turn (gybe) the boat while the lazy sheet is pulled to bring the clew around the headstay. > > Practice in light air until you get the hang of it. > > From: "ja… [at] mac.com <mailto:ja… [at] mac.com> [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 3:54 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Asymmetrical w/o Sock > > OK....found a great deal on an asymmetrical and bought it... > > Anybody fly these without a snuffer and if they do, what's the best procedure for jibing and dousing? I flew it off of the dock and it was large and very promising for this weekend's upcoming race. I'm considering integrating it into my top down furler system...or because I purchased it to have a good large downwind light air sail option to fly when I'm short-handed....buying a snuffer. > > Anybody...short-handed fly without the snuffer? > > > > > > >

I did as Michael, but I used an eye fitting attached to the end of some stainless all-thread and used a 10” piece of 1” stanchion tube to make a mini bowsprit. I think the eye bolt is good enough to clean up your bow clutter, and I think it may be a PHRF violation to do the tube thing, but we race in a modified fleet and it’s all fair here. A while back, my sailmaker ordered me a Selden deployable bowsprit and since I’m done with PHRF I run the sprit out about 40”. It’s pretty cool, but the jury is still out as to whether I can run much faster or deeper with it. I think it will depend on certain conditions, and we are in a light air section of CA where the waves come from off-shore and outrun the local winds. My ASO is 1.4 oz, that I bought before I knew any better and the weight collapses it when the swells roll under us. I have a .75 oz. on order and will report later. Wilkie > On May 22, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > John, > > I replaced one of the bow stem fitting bolts with an eyebolt just below bow roller. I attach a line to the eyebolt and loop it over the bow roller. The line has shackles on both ends for easy installation and removal. I'll try to remember and take photos this weekend. > > Performance.... Depending on conditions, I can definitely carry the asymmetrical in air ahead of the beam (point higher). Short handed crew also favors the asymmetrical. Sea conditions are also a consideration. My symmetrical is a 180% radial and is mucho faster when broad reaching or running, but Magic can be a hand full downwind with the symmetrical and following seas. Can you say "death roll" ??? Been there done that. > > Michael > > From: "'John Boyce' je… [at] gmail.com <mailto:je… [at] gmail.com> [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 4:12 PM > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Asymmetrical w/o Sock (James) > > Michael, > What do you attach the tack to? > How do you like the performance relative to a symmetrical chute? > > John B > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 4:03 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Asymmetrical w/o Sock (James) > > > James, > > Yes, we fly our asymmetrical without a sock. How many crew? Hoisting is the easy part. For dousing, unfurl you headsail, turn downwind some, release the tack, drag it down the companion way or forward hatch (your choice) using the sheets. Have someone ease the halyard as it's pulled down. > > > For gybing, it's best to have outside sheeting. Sheets need to be 2X the length of the boat. At the gybe, big ease on the sheet to allow the clew to fly ahead of the forestay, turn (gybe) the boat while the lazy sheet is pulled to bring the clew around the headstay. > > > Practice in light air until you get the hang of it. > > From: "ja… [at] mac.com [Cal_Boats] <mailto:ja… [at] mac.com%20[Cal_Boats]>" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 3:54 PM > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Asymmetrical w/o Sock > > > OK....found a great deal on an asymmetrical and bought it... > > Anybody fly these without a snuffer and if they do, what's the best procedure for jibing and dousing? I flew it off of the dock and it was large and very promising for this weekend's upcoming race. I'm considering integrating it into my top down furler system...or because I purchased it to have a good large downwind light air sail option to fly when I'm short-handed....buying a snuffer. > > Anybody...short-handed fly without the snuffer? > > > > > > > >

Thanks everyone...for info on the asymmetrical? can you sense that there's a big race this weekend? Pretty darn excited...I've been able to recruit some agility in the crew realizing that what I want to do and how fast it can be done on the foredeck are two different things. So with this help I'll be able to make use this weekend. Funny...had a two day intense Safety Education course last month for the sailing group....I was singled out along with my buddy...when we were practicing donning our immersion suits under 2 minutes...that " when those of you who are more agile are done...look at those whom are less agile and help them"...instructor look directly at us. Hello 50!

John, Here is Magic's asymmetrical setup. Note the eyebolt. I did this because the bow roller cannot handle the loads from the asymmetrical. The red line is wrapped once around the roller. The tackline runs through a low friction ring. I looped the tackline over the bow only to photograph the setup. We use the same line as the downhaul (foreguy) when we fly our radial on a pole. This setup allows us to easily switch between the asymmetrical and symmetrical as needed. I hope this helps. Michaels/v Magic John, I replaced one of the bow stem fitting bolts with an eyebolt just below bow roller. I attach a line to the eyebolt and loop it over the bow roller. The line has shackles on both ends for easy installation and removal. I'll try to remember and take photos this weekend. Performance.... Depending on conditions, I can definitely carry the asymmetrical in air ahead of the beam (point higher). Short handed crew also favors the asymmetrical. Sea conditions are also a consideration. My symmetrical is a 180% radial and is mucho faster when broad reaching or running, but Magic can be a hand full downwind with the symmetrical and following seas. Can you say "death roll" ??? Been there done that. Michael From: "'John Boyce' je… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 4:12 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Asymmetrical w/o Sock (James) Michael,What do you attach the tack to?How do you like the performance relative to a symmetrical chute? John B From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 4:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Asymmetrical w/o Sock (James) James, Yes, we fly our asymmetrical without a sock. How many crew? Hoisting is the easy part. For dousing, unfurl you headsail, turn downwind some, release the tack, drag it down the companion way or forward hatch (your choice) using the sheets. Have someone ease the halyard as it's pulled down. For gybing, it's best to have outside sheeting. Sheets need to be 2X the length of the boat. At the gybe, big ease on the sheet to allow the clew to fly ahead of the forestay, turn (gybe) the boat while the lazy sheet is pulled to bring the clew around the headstay. Practice in light air until you get the hang of it. From: "ja… [at] mac.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 3:54 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Asymmetrical w/o Sock OK....found a great deal on an asymmetrical and bought it... Anybody fly these without a snuffer and if they do, what's the best procedure for jibing and dousing? I flew it off of the dock and it was large and very promising for this weekend's upcoming race. I'm considering integrating it into my top down furler system...or because I purchased it to have a good large downwind light air sail option to fly when I'm short-handed....buying a snuffer. 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My 2-27 non skid is the same factory color as Magic's, which I've seen on other Cals from the 70's. Does anyone happen to know of a close color match available, preferably in a one-part paint I can find at the chandleries? Easypoxy "Sand tone"? One of the Brightsides off-whites or grays? I don't have a great eye for this kind of thing and figure someone else has already done this. Thanks,Adam in Alameda

Adam, Magic has a date with the boatyard on the 22nd. While there, I plan on getting the deck painted and the non-skid redone. A friend of mine used KiwiGrip, it's a one-part paint. There are lots of youtube videos showing application techniques. I plan on using it. Michael From: "Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:31 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal "beige" nonskid paint color? My 2-27 non skid is the same factory color as Magic's, which I've seen on other Cals from the 70's. Does anyone happen to know of a close color match available, preferably in a one-part paint I can find at the chandleries? Easypoxy "Sand tone"? One of the Brightsides off-whites or grays? I don't have a great eye for this kind of thing and figure someone else has already done this. Thanks,Adam in Alameda

Adam, Another vote for KiwiGrip here. It doesn't wear as tough as the original gel coat nonskid, but the ease of application and quick dry time far outweighs the durability for me. I can re-coat a small area and once it dries you can't tell the difference in old and new. Greg From: "Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal "beige" nonskid paint color? (Adam) Adam, Magic has a date with the boatyard on the 22nd. While there, I plan on getting the deck painted and the non-skid redone. A friend of mine used KiwiGrip, it's a one-part paint. There are lots of youtube videos showing application techniques. I plan on using it. Michael From: "Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:31 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal "beige" nonskid paint color? My 2-27 non skid is the same factory color as Magic's, which I've seen on other Cals from the 70's. Does anyone happen to know of a close color match available, preferably in a one-part paint I can find at the chandleries? Easypoxy "Sand tone"? One of the Brightsides off-whites or grays? I don't have a great eye for this kind of thing and figure someone else has already done this. Thanks,Adam in Alameda

Thank you, guys. I agree Kiwigrip is fantastic stuff and I'd use it if I were repainting, but I don't plan on doing the entire deck -- just a few small ugly repaired spots (inches x inches) on the cabin top. Would be nice to touch them up with paint that matches the existing nonskid.Still interested in seeing how Magic's paint job turns out, so please do post updates!Adam From: "Greg vanDalen no… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal "beige" nonskid paint color? (Adam) Adam, Another vote for KiwiGrip here. It doesn't wear as tough as the original gel coat nonskid, but the ease of application and quick dry time far outweighs the durability for me. I can re-coat a small area and once it dries you can't tell the difference in old and new. Greg From: "Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal "beige" nonskid paint color? (Adam) Adam, Magic has a date with the boatyard on the 22nd. While there, I plan on getting the deck painted and the non-skid redone. A friend of mine used KiwiGrip, it's a one-part paint. There are lots of youtube videos showing application techniques. I plan on using it. Michael From: "Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:31 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal "beige" nonskid paint color? My 2-27 non skid is the same factory color as Magic's, which I've seen on other Cals from the 70's. Does anyone happen to know of a close color match available, preferably in a one-part paint I can find at the chandleries? Easypoxy "Sand tone"? One of the Brightsides off-whites or grays? I don't have a great eye for this kind of thing and figure someone else has already done this. Thanks,Adam in Alameda