update on ineptitude

Both boats have now sunk. Sailboat is heeled over but rig is still intact. A big crane has arrived and is positioned near the powerboat--maybe to yank it out before more environmental damage occurs. Anybody need a nice aluminum mast? Get to Traverse City quickly before the rig falls. Chris Campbell

A sad end to a good sail boat... Chris B. Sent by a piece of magic On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 11:39 AM -0700, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Both boats have now sunk. Sailboat is heeled over but rig is still intact. A big crane has arrived and is positioned near the powerboat--maybe to yank it out before more environmental damage occurs. Anybody need a nice aluminum mast? Get to Traverse City quickly before the rig falls. Chris Campbell

On 9/29/2015 2:50 PM, we… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > A sad end to a good sail boat... > Yeah--it was a good looking boat with sails apparently in good order, at least judging by the new-ish canvas work covering them. Very sad. Chris C. > > Chris B. > > Sent by a piece of magic > > > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 11:39 AM -0700, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org > [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > > Both boats have now sunk. Sailboat is heeled over but rig is still > intact. A big crane has arrived and is positioned near the > powerboat--maybe to yank it out before more environmental damage > occurs. > > Anybody need a nice aluminum mast? Get to Traverse City quickly > before > the rig falls. > > Chris Campbell > > > >

What a shame. The thing is, the owner, if he has insurance will probably come out ahead over selling the boat or giving it away. When people hang on to a boat too long, it becomes hard to let go. Don't know the reasons behind this incident, but I have seen owners hang on to boats till they are worthless then they are only left w walking away. Jim East Coast Cal 29 sailor. On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 2:38 PM, ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Both boats have now sunk. Sailboat is heeled over but rig is still > intact. A big crane has arrived and is positioned near the > powerboat--maybe to yank it out before more environmental damage occurs. > > Anybody need a nice aluminum mast? Get to Traverse City quickly before > the rig falls. > > Chris Campbell > >

What a shame. There aren’t that many Cal 40s left. Mike Kennedy > On Sep 29, 2015, at 11:38 AM, ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Both boats have now sunk. Sailboat is heeled over but rig is still > intact. A big crane has arrived and is positioned near the > powerboat--maybe to yank it out before more environmental damage occurs. > > Anybody need a nice aluminum mast? Get to Traverse City quickly before > the rig falls. > > Chris Campbell > >

On 9/29/2015 4:31 PM, 'sailor7312 .' sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > What a shame. The thing is, the owner, if he has insurance will > probably come out ahead over selling the boat or giving it away. > When people hang on to a boat too long, it becomes hard to let go. > > Don't know the reasons behind this incident, but I have seen owners > hang on to boats till they are worthless then they are only left w > walking away. This was not a worthless boat until yesterday. It's now sitting ashore on a hauling trailer. The bow is chewed open, the keel ballast is missing, and the rudder is half eaten. I can't see the side it was lying on from here. The lower shrouds must have remained intact because the mast is upright. Turns out Bubba Jr. owned the boat, and Bubba Sr. came to the rescue in his 1967 Chris Craft cruiser, a formerly handsome boat before it went on the wall too. Father and son idiots, what an example. They were trying to haul the sailboat off using a thin tow line secured to a mooring cleat on the power boat. No towing bridle, no adequate hawser. If that line had parted under tension, or worse, if the cleat had broken loose, they would have been in big danger. However, since they did not use a bridle, they could not maintain directional control on the power boat and the waves pushed it into the rocks. The sailboat had dug itself a little pit under the keel by then and wasn't going to move unless they careened it, and that notion was beyond them. One thing our secretary heard when she walked over to have a look-see at lunchtime was that Bubba Jr. had bought the sailboat primarily to serve as his "party boat," which is why it was anchored just off shore all summer. It cannot have been cheap--the canvas work was all new looking and the boat was clean and good looking so the previous owner must have attended to things. Chris Campbell > > >

On 9/29/2015 5:25 PM, mt… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > What a shame. There aren’t that many Cal 40s left. No, misunderstanding--this was a 40 foot (+/-) sailboat, but not a Cal. Not sure what. Thank goodness. The death penalty would have applied to that kind of stupidity. Chris Campbell > >

These things are going to happen. It's too bad the owners didn't call a towing service or the Coast Guard when things started going south, but there's not much to be done now, and I doubt either boats are going to be worth the cost of the repairs unless they have beau coup expendable $$$. The same thing happened to a friend's Cal 24 Mk 1. He spent three years fixing it up, and it was in better shape than my Cal 24 to begin with. Another friend bought it, lived on it with a girlfriend and cruised with her and their Dalmatian "Pixel". The couple fought a lot, broke up, the second friend got into a crack addiction, and the Sheriffs towed it away and impounded it. Since the County of LA are puppets of the developers, that was the end of the boat, it was gleefully broken up. (When the Sheriffs auction the boat, they demand repayment of impound slip fees and towing, which is exorbitant in comparison to the market value of the boat, guaranteeing it will be demolished, and freeing up more parking for illegal condos to be built on your Federally Financed "World's Largest Small Craft Recreational -my foot-public park and harbor") When the first friend, who'd moved to Sacramento, heard about what had happened to his lovely, fully restored classic boat, he was absolutely heart broken, and furious. Jerry Sobel, Cal 24 Mk-1 "Shpritz" #71 On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:32 AM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 9/29/2015 5:25 PM, mt… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: What a shame. There aren’t that many Cal 40s left. No, misunderstanding--this was a 40 foot (+/-) sailboat, but not a Cal. Not sure what. Thank goodness. The death penalty would have applied to that kind of stupidity. Chris Campbell

On 9/30/2015 3:52 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > These things are going to happen. No, no, this was not "going to happen" unless the boat's owner was completely negligent, which he was. You do not leave a large vessel anchored in an exposed location with inadequate equipment and without checking it regularly. I was waiting all summer for this to happen. It was inevitable only because the owner was such a fool. The sailboat was being remodeled with a chain say to fit on the trailer. The rest of the keel was cut off, rudder too. Chris Campbell

Where are the pics and video of all this? You know the rule: Pics, or it never happened. 😎 > On Sep 30, 2015, at 13:02, ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > >> On 9/30/2015 3:52 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: >> These things are going to happen. > > No, no, this was not "going to happen" unless the boat's owner was completely negligent, which he was. You do not leave a large vessel anchored in an exposed location with inadequate equipment and without checking it regularly. I was waiting all summer for this to happen. It was inevitable only because the owner was such a fool. > > The sailboat was being remodeled with a chain say to fit on the trailer. The rest of the keel was cut off, rudder too. > > Chris Campbell > >

On 9/30/2015 5:51 PM, Kris cr… [at] att.net [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > Where are the pics and video of all this? You know the rule: Pics, or > it never happened. 😎 Here's the link. > http://www.9and10news.com/story/30147244/boats-damaged-from-strong-waves-in-west-grand-traverse-bay I did not walk across the street to gawk. It's just too sad to see a nice boat break up because it was owned by an idiot. I favor the death penalty for people who abuse kids or kick dogs or neglect their boats. Chris Campbell

Has anyone figured out the make/model of the sailboat? From: "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] update on ineptitude On 9/30/2015 5:51 PM, Kris cr… [at] att.net [Cal_Boats] wrote: Where are the pics and video of all this? You know the rule: Pics, or it never happened. 😎 Here's the link. http://www.9and10news.com/story/30147244/boats-damaged-from-strong-waves-in-west-grand-traverse-bay I did not walk across the street to gawk. It's just too sad to see a nice boat break up because it was owned by an idiot. I favor the death penalty for people who abuse kids or kick dogs or neglect their boats. Chris Campbell

Since I have a little "deferred maintenance" on my boat, I may not be 100% behind you on the Death Penalty for neglect, but I think it's perfectly acceptable to mercilessly excoriate them in a public forum for weeks (maybe even years) over something like this. Need that video of them trying to save their boats (set to the Benny Hill music of course) for Youtube. If you're going to display monumental incompetence, I think you should have a worldwide audience. I mean that's what Al created the Internet for isn't it..? From: "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] update on ineptitude On 9/30/2015 5:51 PM, Kris cr… [at] att.net [Cal_Boats] wrote: Where are the pics and video of all this? You know the rule: Pics, or it never happened. 😎 Here's the link. http://www.9and10news.com/story/30147244/boats-damaged-from-strong-waves-in-west-grand-traverse-bay I did not walk across the street to gawk. It's just too sad to see a nice boat break up because it was owned by an idiot. I favor the death penalty for people who abuse kids or kick dogs or neglect their boats. Chris Campbell