Cal 33-2 racing

Any one out there racing a Cal 33-2 SD. I sail in the Chesapeake Bay as well as the Miles River. Off the wind with the Shute up I can catch and in most cases pass the fleet, but going to weather I loose them and can't make the distance back particularly when I'm giving them 20 seconds and up per mile. PERF is 156 and I race against boats with ratings of 172 up to 213. Most of these are bigger then me the largest being 40'. I have put new sails on boat as well as a hydraulic back stay adjustor, and have lighten her as much as possible . I'm getting exasperated. Jeep Moonraker Cal 33-2

Hi Jeep, I cruise my 33-2 and race aboard the J-35 "Rival" in Southern California. My Cal seems tender when compared to other boats I've sailed. I find myself de powering (flattening or reefing) early in an effort to keep her on her feet. Otherwise, I get a lot of weather helm and drag the rudder through the water and that is not fast. I think that sailing her upright is faster. Try to invite the local sailmaker/ racer out for a sail-lunch-beer and pick his or her brain. Chris Damiana Cal 33-2 > On Sep 24, 2015, at 7:14 AM, "je… [at] comcast.net [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Any one out there racing a Cal 33-2 SD. I sail in the Chesapeake Bay as well as the Miles River. Off the wind with the Shute up I can catch and in most cases pass the fleet, but going to weather I loose them and can't make the distance back particularly when I'm giving them 20 seconds and up per mile. PERF is 156 and I race against boats with ratings of 172 up to 213. Most of these are bigger then me the largest being 40'. I have put new sails on boat as well as a hydraulic back stay adjustor, and have lighten her as much as possible . I'm getting exasperated. > > Jeep > Moonraker Cal 33-2 > >

Thanks, My weather helm was heavy also until I put the hydraulic back stay on her. She had a wheel adjustor which was impossible to use. From: "Christopher ra… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 10:47:24 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Hi Jeep, I cruise my 33-2 and race aboard the J-35 "Rival" in Southern California. My Cal seems tender when compared to other boats I've sailed. I find myself de powering (flattening or reefing) early in an effort to keep her on her feet. Otherwise, I get a lot of weather helm and drag the rudder through the water and that is not fast. I think that sailing her upright is faster. Try to invite the local sailmaker/ racer out for a sail-lunch-beer and pick his or her brain. Chris Damiana Cal 33-2 On Sep 24, 2015, at 7:14 AM, " je… [at] comcast.net [Cal_Boats]" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > wrote: Any one out there racing a Cal 33-2 SD. I sail in the Chesapeake Bay as well as the Miles River. Off the wind with the Shute up I can catch and in most cases pass the fleet, but going to weather I loose them and can't make the distance back particularly when I'm giving them 20 seconds and up per mile. PERF is 156 and I race against boats with ratings of 172 up to 213. Most of these are bigger then me the largest being 40'. I have put new sails on boat as well as a hydraulic back stay adjustor, and have lighten her as much as possible . I'm getting exasperated. Jeep Moonraker Cal 33-2

Hi. I raced our 1986 Cal 33-2 SD for the first time this year. We're also on the Chesapeake Bay. Race was on the Rappahannock river. We placed second, but was a small regatta of seven boats that braved the weather that day. Winds were 20 knots and gusting. I had to reef or I would round up. Leslie Puffin On Thursday, September 24, 2015, je… [at] comcast.net [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Thanks, My weather helm was heavy also until I put the hydraulic back stay > on her. She had a wheel adjustor which was impossible to use. > > > > > *From: *"Christopher ra… [at] yahoo.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ra… [at] yahoo.com');> [Cal_Boats]" < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com');>> > *To: *"Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com');>> > *Sent: *Thursday, September 24, 2015 10:47:24 AM > *Subject: *Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing > > > > Hi Jeep, > I cruise my 33-2 and race aboard the J-35 "Rival" in Southern > California. > My Cal seems tender when compared to other boats I've sailed. I find > myself de powering (flattening or reefing) early in an effort to keep her > on her feet. Otherwise, I get a lot of weather helm and drag the rudder > through the water and that is not fast. I think that sailing her upright is > faster. > Try to invite the local sailmaker/ racer out for a sail-lunch-beer and > pick his or her brain. > > Chris > Damiana Cal 33-2 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 24, 2015, at 7:14 AM, "je… [at] comcast.net > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','je… [at] comcast.net');> [Cal_Boats]" < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com');>> wrote: > > > > Any one out there racing a Cal 33-2 SD. I sail in the Chesapeake Bay as > well as the Miles River. Off the wind with the Shute up I can catch and in > most cases pass the fleet, but going to weather I loose them and can't make > the distance back particularly when I'm giving them 20 seconds and up per > mile. PERF is 156 and I race against boats with ratings of 172 up to > 213. Most of these are bigger then me the largest being 40'. I have put > new sails on boat as well as a hydraulic back stay adjustor, and have > lighten her as much as possible . I'm getting exasperated. > > Jeep > Moonraker Cal 33-2 > > > > >

A couple things to check maybe. 1. was your sail cut to have a straight mast or a little prebend(ask you sail maker) 2. When going up wind, sight the mast, it is straight port/startbord(if not, I would adjust lowers/shroud tension till it is) if the mast is bending off to leeward, you can lose a lot of power. 3. Does your pointing decrease when you put on back stay? I know that when you put on backstay in a breeze, you would expect your pointing to increase, but if you have too much bend aft in the mast when the back stay is on, the main will over flatten and your pointing will actually decrease. With a keel stepped mast(assuming yours is), another way to overbend the mast is if your rake is so far aft that when you put on back stay, the mast bends at the deck because it is pinned against the back of the mast gate. Your mast butt being too far back in relation to the mast gate can cause that too. Everything I mention is about getting your mast tuned for the main you have. There are limits to what you can accomplish w mast tuning, but most sailmakers today produce decent sails that will work w the rig you have. A little too much or too little mast bend can make a huge difference in upwind speed/pointing and can greatly affect the way the boat steers. Dont give up. If you make changes, keep detailed measurements and log of how the boat performs. Good luck. Jim East Coast Cal 29 sailor. On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:14 AM, je… [at] comcast.net [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Any one out there racing a Cal 33-2 SD. I sail in the Chesapeake Bay as > well as the Miles River. Off the wind with the Shute up I can catch and in > most cases pass the fleet, but going to weather I loose them and can't make > the distance back particularly when I'm giving them 20 seconds and up per > mile. PERF is 156 and I race against boats with ratings of 172 up to > 213. Most of these are bigger then me the largest being 40'. I have put > new sails on boat as well as a hydraulic back stay adjustor, and have > lighten her as much as possible . I'm getting exasperated. > > Jeep > Moonraker Cal 33-2 > > > >

I don't sail on a 33-2 regularly but we have one in our club and the common observation of those who sail on it is that they can win in a downwind race but they are usually beaten in an upwind race. Unfortunately for the rest of our club boats is that we sail in a river (the Niagara) which results in predominantly downwind courses. The bottom line is that it's not you it's the boat! John Boyce Cal 227 #650 On Sep 24, 2015 1:56 PM, "'sailor7312 .' sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > A couple things to check maybe. > > 1. was your sail cut to have a straight mast or a little prebend(ask you > sail maker) > 2. When going up wind, sight the mast, it is straight port/startbord(if > not, I would adjust lowers/shroud tension till it is) > if the mast is bending off to leeward, you can lose a lot of power. > 3. Does your pointing decrease when you put on back stay? I know that > when you put on backstay in a breeze, you would expect your pointing to > increase, but if you have too much bend aft in the mast when the back stay > is on, the main will over flatten and your pointing will actually > decrease. With a keel stepped mast(assuming yours is), another way to > overbend the mast is if your rake is so far aft that when you put on back > stay, the mast bends at the deck because it is pinned against the back of > the mast gate. Your mast butt being too far back in relation to the mast > gate can cause that too. > > Everything I mention is about getting your mast tuned for the main you > have. There are limits to what you can accomplish w mast tuning, but most > sailmakers today produce decent sails that will work w the rig you have. A > little too much or too little mast bend can make a huge difference in > upwind speed/pointing and can greatly affect the way the boat steers. > > Dont give up. > If you make changes, keep detailed measurements and log of how the boat > performs. > > Good luck. > Jim > East Coast Cal 29 sailor. > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:14 AM, je… [at] comcast.net [Cal_Boats] < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Any one out there racing a Cal 33-2 SD. I sail in the Chesapeake Bay as >> well as the Miles River. Off the wind with the Shute up I can catch and in >> most cases pass the fleet, but going to weather I loose them and can't make >> the distance back particularly when I'm giving them 20 seconds and up per >> mile. PERF is 156 and I race against boats with ratings of 172 up to >> 213. Most of these are bigger then me the largest being 40'. I have put >> new sails on boat as well as a hydraulic back stay adjustor, and have >> lighten her as much as possible . I'm getting exasperated. >> >> Jeep >> Moonraker Cal 33-2 >> >> >> > >

Thanks we do well on a reach as well as down wind. We usually have a long course to the weather mark. Jeep From: "John b je… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 7:07:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing I don't sail on a 33-2 regularly but we have one in our club and the common observation of those who sail on it is that they can win in a downwind race but they are usually beaten in an upwind race. Unfortunately for the rest of our club boats is that we sail in a river (the Niagara) which results in predominantly downwind courses. The bottom line is that it's not you it's the boat! John Boyce Cal 227 #650 On Sep 24, 2015 1:56 PM, "'sailor7312 .' sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > wrote: A couple things to check maybe. 1. was your sail cut to have a straight mast or a little prebend(ask you sail maker) 2. When going up wind, sight the mast, it is straight port/startbord(if not, I would adjust lowers/shroud tension till it is) if the mast is bending off to leeward, you can lose a lot of power. 3. Does your pointing decrease when you put on back stay? I know that when you put on backstay in a breeze, you would expect your pointing to increase, but if you have too much bend aft in the mast when the back stay is on, the main will over flatten and your pointing will actually decrease. With a keel stepped mast(assuming yours is), another way to overbend the mast is if your rake is so far aft that when you put on back stay, the mast bends at the deck because it is pinned against the back of the mast gate. Your mast butt being too far back in relation to the mast gate can cause that too. Everything I mention is about getting your mast tuned for the main you have. There are limits to what you can accomplish w mast tuning, but most sailmakers today produce decent sails that will work w the rig you have. A little too much or too little mast bend can make a huge difference in upwind speed/pointing and can greatly affect the way the boat steers. Dont give up. If you make changes, keep detailed measurements and log of how the boat performs. Good luck. Jim East Coast Cal 29 sailor. On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:14 AM, je… [at] comcast.net [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > wrote: <blockquote> Any one out there racing a Cal 33-2 SD. I sail in the Chesapeake Bay as well as the Miles River. Off the wind with the Shute up I can catch and in most cases pass the fleet, but going to weather I loose them and can't make the distance back particularly when I'm giving them 20 seconds and up per mile. PERF is 156 and I race against boats with ratings of 172 up to 213. Most of these are bigger then me the largest being 40'. I have put new sails on boat as well as a hydraulic back stay adjustor, and have lighten her as much as possible . I'm getting exasperated. Jeep Moonraker Cal 33-2 </blockquote>

Thanks. I've had the mast and rigging checked and tuned. I will start experiment with my back stay adjuster. Down wind I let it off at move the rig forward. Also having a new mail made next year and will have the sail maker take in to account the bend in the mast. Jeep From: "'sailor7312 .' sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:56:33 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing A couple things to check maybe. 1. was your sail cut to have a straight mast or a little prebend(ask you sail maker) 2. When going up wind, sight the mast, it is straight port/startbord(if not, I would adjust lowers/shroud tension till it is) if the mast is bending off to leeward, you can lose a lot of power. 3. Does your pointing decrease when you put on back stay? I know that when you put on backstay in a breeze, you would expect your pointing to increase, but if you have too much bend aft in the mast when the back stay is on, the main will over flatten and your pointing will actually decrease. With a keel stepped mast(assuming yours is), another way to overbend the mast is if your rake is so far aft that when you put on back stay, the mast bends at the deck because it is pinned against the back of the mast gate. Your mast butt being too far back in relation to the mast gate can cause that too. Everything I mention is about getting your mast tuned for the main you have. There are limits to what you can accomplish w mast tuning, but most sailmakers today produce decent sails that will work w the rig you have. A little too much or too little mast bend can make a huge difference in upwind speed/pointing and can greatly affect the way the boat steers. Dont give up. If you make changes, keep detailed measurements and log of how the boat performs. Good luck. Jim East Coast Cal 29 sailor. On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:14 AM, je… [at] comcast.net [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > wrote: Any one out there racing a Cal 33-2 SD. I sail in the Chesapeake Bay as well as the Miles River. Off the wind with the Shute up I can catch and in most cases pass the fleet, but going to weather I loose them and can't make the distance back particularly when I'm giving them 20 seconds and up per mile. PERF is 156 and I race against boats with ratings of 172 up to 213. Most of these are bigger then me the largest being 40'. I have put new sails on boat as well as a hydraulic back stay adjustor, and have lighten her as much as possible . I'm getting exasperated. Jeep Moonraker Cal 33-2

Hi, Jeep. I’m not familiar with the Hunt designs for CALs, but I do have a few questions. Are you getting outpointed or outsped or both? I only get to the Miles River/Eastern Bay on the Miles River Race in May. What is the slop/sea typically like in that area? Is it the short choppy stuff we get in Annapolis area? How much does the mast bend (as opposed to rake)? I would note that the Lapworth CALs had a similar characteristic of reaching and running like bandits. The CAL 40 became famous in the TransPac - the ultimate sleigh ride. Inquiring Minds… Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:20 AM To: Boats, Cal <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Thanks. I've had the mast and rigging checked and tuned. I will start experiment with my back stay adjuster. Down wind I let it off at move the rig forward. Also having a new mail made next year and will have the sail maker take in to account the bend in the mast. Jeep _

I am suspecting he is suffering from slippage due to the shoal draft keel. If this is the case, his boat speed is probably good, as would be his pointing. But with the SD keel, a heel of in of 15 degrees or more (maybe even 10 degrees is the mark) would result in little depth to prevent leeway. If I am anywhere near the mark, reducing heel angle, as other have said, is about all that can be done. Thanks, Craig Johnson To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:00:24 -0400 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Hi, Jeep. I’m not familiar with the Hunt designs for CALs, but I do have a few questions. Are you getting outpointed or outsped or both? I only get to the Miles River/Eastern Bay on the Miles River Race in May. What is the slop/sea typically like in that area? Is it the short choppy stuff we get in Annapolis area? How much does the mast bend (as opposed to rake)? I would note that the Lapworth CALs had a similar characteristic of reaching and running like bandits. The CAL 40 became famous in the TransPac - the ultimate sleigh ride. Inquiring Minds…CheersCharlieAnnapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:20 AM To: Boats, Cal <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Thanks. I've had the mast and rigging checked and tuned. I will start experiment with my back stay adjuster. Down wind I let it off at move the rig forward. Also having a new mail made next year and will have the sail maker take in to account the bend in the mast. Jeep _

Makes sense, Craig. A measure of windward apparent course (compass) versus true course (GPS) could be interesting. Take Care Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:14 AM To: CalList <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing I am suspecting he is suffering from slippage due to the shoal draft keel. If this is the case, his boat speed is probably good, as would be his pointing. But with the SD keel, a heel of in of 15 degrees or more (maybe even 10 degrees is the mark) would result in little depth to prevent leeway. If I am anywhere near the mark, reducing heel angle, as other have said, is about all that can be done. Thanks, Craig Johnson _____ To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:00:24 -0400 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Hi, Jeep. I'm not familiar with the Hunt designs for CALs, but I do have a few questions. Are you getting outpointed or outsped or both? I only get to the Miles River/Eastern Bay on the Miles River Race in May. What is the slop/sea typically like in that area? Is it the short choppy stuff we get in Annapolis area? How much does the mast bend (as opposed to rake)? I would note that the Lapworth CALs had a similar characteristic of reaching and running like bandits. The CAL 40 became famous in the TransPac - the ultimate sleigh ride. Inquiring Minds. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:20 AM To: Boats, Cal <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Thanks. I've had the mast and rigging checked and tuned. I will start experiment with my back stay adjuster. Down wind I let it off at move the rig forward. Also having a new mail made next year and will have the sail maker take in to account the bend in the mast. Jeep

As a last resort you might try going out racing with a local ringer-sailmaker. He or she might be able to pin-point the problem(s). Jerry of Yea Venerable Original Cal 24 #71 who tried to get drunk last night after finding out he won Series 5 of the Vic Smith TNT 6 series/5 races each annual regatta...with a tattered 53 year old mains'l and a deck sweeper he picked up from Minney's. On Friday, September 25, 2015 8:25 AM, "'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Makes sense, Craig. A measure of windward apparent course (compass) versus true course (GPS) could be interesting. Take CareCharlieAnnapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:14 AM To: CalList <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing I am suspecting he is suffering from slippage due to the shoal draft keel. If this is the case, his boat speed is probably good, as would be his pointing. But with the SD keel, a heel of in of 15 degrees or more (maybe even 10 degrees is the mark) would result in little depth to prevent leeway. If I am anywhere near the mark, reducing heel angle, as other have said, is about all that can be done. Thanks, Craig Johnson To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:00:24 -0400 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Hi, Jeep. I’m not familiar with the Hunt designs for CALs, but I do have a few questions. Are you getting outpointed or outsped or both? I only get to the Miles River/Eastern Bay on the Miles River Race in May. What is the slop/sea typically like in that area? Is it the short choppy stuff we get in Annapolis area? How much does the mast bend (as opposed to rake)? I would note that the Lapworth CALs had a similar characteristic of reaching and running like bandits. The CAL 40 became famous in the TransPac - the ultimate sleigh ride. Inquiring Minds…CheersCharlieAnnapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:20 AM To: Boats, Cal <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Thanks. I've had the mast and rigging checked and tuned. I will start experiment with my back stay adjuster. Down wind I let it off at move the rig forward. Also having a new mail made next year and will have the sail maker take in to account the bend in the mast. 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I have a cal 33-2, deep keel in Cleveland Ohio. I am involved in club racing and cruising. She likes air up wind. Wakes up over 12 kts. We dont fly the spinnaker but the boat is fast off the wind and that's where we earn our money. All that being said, unless your rig is absurdly out of whack, most of the good or bad results you are experiencing are mostly due to being late to the start, over rides on tacks, mis judging the wind at the windward mark...etc,etc, etc....brain farts of the skipper and crew. There are a lot of factors. Lee CALMON Cleveland Ohio. Regards Lee > On Sep 25, 2015, at 11:25 AM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Makes sense, Craig. A measure of windward apparent course (compass) versus true course (GPS) could be interesting. > > > > Take Care > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:14 AM > To: CalList <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing > > > > I am suspecting he is suffering from slippage due to the shoal draft keel. If this is the case, his boat speed is probably good, as would be his pointing. But with the SD keel, a heel of in of 15 degrees or more (maybe even 10 degrees is the mark) would result in little depth to prevent leeway. If I am anywhere near the mark, reducing heel angle, as other have said, is about all that can be done. > > Thanks, > Craig Johnson > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:00:24 -0400 > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing > > > > > > Hi, Jeep. I’m not familiar with the Hunt designs for CALs, but I do have a few questions. > > > > Are you getting outpointed or outsped or both? I only get to the Miles River/Eastern Bay on the Miles River Race in May. What is the slop/sea typically like in that area? Is it the short choppy stuff we get in Annapolis area? How much does the mast bend (as opposed to rake)? > > > > I would note that the Lapworth CALs had a similar characteristic of reaching and running like bandits. The CAL 40 became famous in the TransPac - the ultimate sleigh ride. > > > > Inquiring Minds… > > Cheers > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:20 AM > To: Boats, Cal <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing > > > > Thanks. I've had the mast and rigging checked and tuned. I will start experiment with my back stay adjuster. Down wind I let it off at move the rig forward. Also having a new mail made next year and will have the sail maker take in to account the bend in the mast. > > Jeep > > > >

Jeep - Call Scott Gibbs of Evolution Sails right there in Easton and tell him I sent you. He has built 4 sails for me in the last 13 yrs and fixed a couple of others and they've all been gold. He'll come out and race with you if you ask and likely pin point your problem. Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing From: Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing As a last resort you might try going out racing with a local ringer-sailmaker. He or she might be able to pin-point the problem(s). Jerry of Yea Venerable Original Cal 24 #71 who tried to get drunk last night after finding out he won Series 5 of the Vic Smith TNT 6 series/5 races each annual regatta...with a tattered 53 year old mains'l and a deck sweeper he picked up from Minney's. On Friday, September 25, 2015 8:25 AM, "'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Makes sense, Craig. A measure of windward apparent course (compass) versus true course (GPS) could be interesting. Take Care Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:14 AM To: CalList <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing I am suspecting he is suffering from slippage due to the shoal draft keel. If this is the case, his boat speed is probably good, as would be his pointing. But with the SD keel, a heel of in of 15 degrees or more (maybe even 10 degrees is the mark) would result in little depth to prevent leeway. If I am anywhere near the mark, reducing heel angle, as other have said, is about all that can be done. Thanks, Craig Johnson To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:00:24 -0400 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Hi, Jeep. I’m not familiar with the Hunt designs for CALs, but I do have a few questions. Are you getting outpointed or outsped or both? I only get to the Miles River/Eastern Bay on the Miles River Race in May. What is the slop/sea typically like in that area? Is it the short choppy stuff we get in Annapolis area? How much does the mast bend (as opposed to rake)? I would note that the Lapworth CALs had a similar characteristic of reaching and running like bandits. The CAL 40 became famous in the TransPac - the ultimate sleigh ride. Inquiring Minds… Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:20 AM To: Boats, Cal <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Thanks. I've had the mast and rigging checked and tuned. I will start experiment with my back stay adjuster. Down wind I let it off at move the rig forward. Also having a new mail made next year and will have the sail maker take in to account the bend in the mast. Jeep

Thanks will consider it From: "pw… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:57:18 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Jeep - Call Scott Gibbs of Evolution Sails right there in Easton and tell him I sent you. He has built 4 sails for me in the last 13 yrs and fixed a couple of others and they've all been gold. He'll come out and race with you if you ask and likely pin point your problem. Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing From: Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing As a last resort you might try going out racing with a local ringer-sailmaker. He or she might be able to pin-point the problem(s). Jerry of Yea Venerable Original Cal 24 #71 who tried to get drunk last night after finding out he won Series 5 of the Vic Smith TNT 6 series/5 races each annual regatta...with a tattered 53 year old mains'l and a deck sweeper he picked up from Minney's. On Friday, September 25, 2015 8:25 AM, "'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > wrote: Makes sense, Craig. A measure of windward apparent course (compass) versus true course (GPS) could be interesting. Take Care Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [ mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:14 AM To: CalList < ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing I am suspecting he is suffering from slippage due to the shoal draft keel. If this is the case, his boat speed is probably good, as would be his pointing. But with the SD keel, a heel of in of 15 degrees or more (maybe even 10 degrees is the mark) would result in little depth to prevent leeway. If I am anywhere near the mark, reducing heel angle, as other have said, is about all that can be done. Thanks, Craig Johnson To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:00:24 -0400 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Hi, Jeep. I’m not familiar with the Hunt designs for CALs, but I do have a few questions. Are you getting outpointed or outsped or both? I only get to the Miles River/Eastern Bay on the Miles River Race in May. What is the slop/sea typically like in that area? Is it the short choppy stuff we get in Annapolis area? How much does the mast bend (as opposed to rake)? I would note that the Lapworth CALs had a similar characteristic of reaching and running like bandits. The CAL 40 became famous in the TransPac - the ultimate sleigh ride. Inquiring Minds… Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [ mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:20 AM To: Boats, Cal < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Thanks. I've had the mast and rigging checked and tuned. I will start experiment with my back stay adjuster. Down wind I let it off at move the rig forward. Also having a new mail made next year and will have the sail maker take in to account the bend in the mast. Jeep Call Scott Gibbs of Evolution Sails right there in Easton and tell him I sent you. He has built 4 sails for me in the last 13 yrs and fixed a couple of others and they've all been gold. He'll come out and race with you if you ask and likely pin point your problem. Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing From: Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing As a last resort you might try going out racing with a local ringer-sailmaker. He or she might be able to pin-point the problem(s). Jerry of Yea Venerable Original Cal 24 #71 who tried to get drunk last night after finding out he won Series 5 of the Vic Smith TNT 6 series/5 races each annual regatta...with a tattered 53 year old mains'l and a deck sweeper he picked up from Minney's. On Friday, September 25, 2015 8:25 AM, "'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > wrote: <blockquote> Makes sense, Craig. A measure of windward apparent course (compass) versus true course (GPS) could be interesting. Take Care Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [ mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:14 AM To: CalList < ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing I am suspecting he is suffering from slippage due to the shoal draft keel. If this is the case, his boat speed is probably good, as would be his pointing. But with the SD keel, a heel of in of 15 degrees or more (maybe even 10 degrees is the mark) would result in little depth to prevent leeway. If I am anywhere near the mark, reducing heel angle, as other have said, is about all that can be done. Thanks, Craig Johnson To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:00:24 -0400 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Hi, Jeep. I’m not familiar with the Hunt designs for CALs, but I do have a few questions. Are you getting outpointed or outsped or both? I only get to the Miles River/Eastern Bay on the Miles River Race in May. What is the slop/sea typically like in that area? Is it the short choppy stuff we get in Annapolis area? How much does the mast bend (as opposed to rake)? I would note that the Lapworth CALs had a similar characteristic of reaching and running like bandits. The CAL 40 became famous in the TransPac - the ultimate sleigh ride. Inquiring Minds… Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [ mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:20 AM To: Boats, Cal < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Thanks. I've had the mast and rigging checked and tuned. I will start experiment with my back stay adjuster. Down wind I let it off at move the rig forward. Also having a new mail made next year and will have the sail maker take in to account the bend in the mast. Jeep </blockquote>

I guess ignorance is bliss, but Puffin seems just plain fast compared to other boats I sail with and I've done nothing to her. Was with five other boats headed to Cape Charles this year. Motoring and finally got into some good wind. We all threw up our sails at the same time and shortly Puffin was all alone with a Pearson 32, Older Hunter 33 and a few other comparable sized boats way behind. Puffin arrived well over a mile or more ahead. I have to say that was really fun. I don't know your experience level but sail trimming is so crucial. I guess if you feel you are totally confident in your trimming abilities then throw money at the problem. I cycle with a very strong bicyclist and he says he went into the bike shop, held up his credit card and said "make me faster!" Leslie On Friday, September 25, 2015, je… [at] comcast.net [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Thanks will consider it > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"pw… [at] aol.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pw… [at] aol.com');> > [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com');>> > *To: *"Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com');>> > *Sent: *Friday, September 25, 2015 1:57:18 PM > *Subject: *Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing > > > > Jeep - > > Call Scott Gibbs of Evolution Sails right there in Easton and tell him I > sent you. He has built 4 sails for me in the last 13 yrs and fixed a > couple of others and they've all been gold. He'll come out and race with > you if you ask and likely pin point your problem. > > Paul West > Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','so… [at] yahoo.com');> [Cal_Boats] < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com');>> > To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com');>> > Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 12:11 pm > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing > > > As a last resort you might try going out racing with a local > ringer-sailmaker. He or she might be able to pin-point the problem(s). > > Jerry of Yea Venerable Original Cal 24 #71 who tried to get drunk last > night after finding out he won Series 5 of the Vic Smith TNT 6 series/5 > races each annual regatta...with a tattered 53 year old mains'l and a deck > sweeper he picked up from Minney's. > > > > On Friday, September 25, 2015 8:25 AM, "'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hu… [at] gmail.com');> [Cal_Boats]" < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com');>> wrote: > > > > > Makes sense, Craig. A measure of windward apparent course (compass) > versus true course (GPS) could be interesting. > > Take Care > Charlie > Annapolis > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com');> [ > mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?');>] > *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 11:14 AM > *To:* CalList <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ca… [at] yahoogroups.com');>> > *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing > > I am suspecting he is suffering from slippage due to the shoal draft > keel. If this is the case, his boat speed is probably good, as would be > his pointing. But with the SD keel, a heel of in of 15 degrees or more > (maybe even 10 degrees is the mark) would result in little depth to prevent > leeway. If I am anywhere near the mark, reducing heel angle, as other have > said, is about all that can be done. > > Thanks, > Craig Johnson > ------------------------------ > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com');> > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com');> > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:00:24 -0400 > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing > > > > Hi, Jeep. I’m not familiar with the Hunt designs for CALs, but I do have > a few questions. > > Are you getting outpointed or outsped or both? I only get to the Miles > River/Eastern Bay on the Miles River Race in May. What is the slop/sea > typically like in that area? Is it the short choppy stuff we get in > Annapolis area? How much does the mast bend (as opposed to rake)? > > I would note that the Lapworth CALs had a similar characteristic of > reaching and running like bandits. The CAL 40 became famous in the > TransPac - the ultimate sleigh ride. > > Inquiring Minds… > Cheers > Charlie > Annapolis > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com');> [ > mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?');>] > *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2015 7:20 AM > *To:* Boats, Cal <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com');>> > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing > > Thanks. I've had the mast and rigging checked and tuned. I will start > experiment with my back stay adjuster. Down wind I let it off at move the > rig forward. Also having a new mail made next year and will have the sail > maker take in to account the bend in the mast. > Jeep > > > > > >

Paul thanks for the info. John Jenkins of Jenkins Sails, a Star Boat racer and who has made sails for me in the past is coming sailing with me to help determine the problem He made me a new Spinnaker as well as a new genoa. I putting a new main on the boat as the existing one is 12 years old. Jeep From: "pw… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:57:18 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Jeep - Call Scott Gibbs of Evolution Sails right there in Easton and tell him I sent you. He has built 4 sails for me in the last 13 yrs and fixed a couple of others and they've all been gold. He'll come out and race with you if you ask and likely pin point your problem. Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing From: Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing As a last resort you might try going out racing with a local ringer-sailmaker. He or she might be able to pin-point the problem(s). Jerry of Yea Venerable Original Cal 24 #71 who tried to get drunk last night after finding out he won Series 5 of the Vic Smith TNT 6 series/5 races each annual regatta...with a tattered 53 year old mains'l and a deck sweeper he picked up from Minney's. On Friday, September 25, 2015 8:25 AM, "'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > wrote: Makes sense, Craig. A measure of windward apparent course (compass) versus true course (GPS) could be interesting. Take Care Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [ mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:14 AM To: CalList < ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing I am suspecting he is suffering from slippage due to the shoal draft keel. If this is the case, his boat speed is probably good, as would be his pointing. But with the SD keel, a heel of in of 15 degrees or more (maybe even 10 degrees is the mark) would result in little depth to prevent leeway. If I am anywhere near the mark, reducing heel angle, as other have said, is about all that can be done. Thanks, Craig Johnson To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:00:24 -0400 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Hi, Jeep. I’m not familiar with the Hunt designs for CALs, but I do have a few questions. Are you getting outpointed or outsped or both? I only get to the Miles River/Eastern Bay on the Miles River Race in May. What is the slop/sea typically like in that area? Is it the short choppy stuff we get in Annapolis area? How much does the mast bend (as opposed to rake)? I would note that the Lapworth CALs had a similar characteristic of reaching and running like bandits. The CAL 40 became famous in the TransPac - the ultimate sleigh ride. Inquiring Minds… Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [ mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:20 AM To: Boats, Cal < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Thanks. I've had the mast and rigging checked and tuned. I will start experiment with my back stay adjuster. Down wind I let it off at move the rig forward. Also having a new mail made next year and will have the sail maker take in to account the bend in the mast. Jeep Call Scott Gibbs of Evolution Sails right there in Easton and tell him I sent you. He has built 4 sails for me in the last 13 yrs and fixed a couple of others and they've all been gold. He'll come out and race with you if you ask and likely pin point your problem. Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing From: Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing As a last resort you might try going out racing with a local ringer-sailmaker. He or she might be able to pin-point the problem(s). Jerry of Yea Venerable Original Cal 24 #71 who tried to get drunk last night after finding out he won Series 5 of the Vic Smith TNT 6 series/5 races each annual regatta...with a tattered 53 year old mains'l and a deck sweeper he picked up from Minney's. On Friday, September 25, 2015 8:25 AM, "'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > wrote: <blockquote> Makes sense, Craig. A measure of windward apparent course (compass) versus true course (GPS) could be interesting. Take Care Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [ mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:14 AM To: CalList < ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing I am suspecting he is suffering from slippage due to the shoal draft keel. If this is the case, his boat speed is probably good, as would be his pointing. But with the SD keel, a heel of in of 15 degrees or more (maybe even 10 degrees is the mark) would result in little depth to prevent leeway. If I am anywhere near the mark, reducing heel angle, as other have said, is about all that can be done. Thanks, Craig Johnson To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:00:24 -0400 Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Hi, Jeep. I’m not familiar with the Hunt designs for CALs, but I do have a few questions. Are you getting outpointed or outsped or both? I only get to the Miles River/Eastern Bay on the Miles River Race in May. What is the slop/sea typically like in that area? Is it the short choppy stuff we get in Annapolis area? How much does the mast bend (as opposed to rake)? I would note that the Lapworth CALs had a similar characteristic of reaching and running like bandits. The CAL 40 became famous in the TransPac - the ultimate sleigh ride. Inquiring Minds… Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [ mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 7:20 AM To: Boats, Cal < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 racing Thanks. I've had the mast and rigging checked and tuned. I will start experiment with my back stay adjuster. Down wind I let it off at move the rig forward. Also having a new mail made next year and will have the sail maker take in to account the bend in the mast. Jeep </blockquote>

Jeep, Just saw your message and I sail a Cal 33-2 SD on the Hampton Roads portion at the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay. Just purchased the boat last November (raced on a full keel version Cal 33-2 years ago), and this year we have done very well. I have won the New Years Day race, won the Tri-Services Cup, 2nd Place in the Saturday & Sunday Cape Charles Cup race, & 2nd Place in the Veteran's Cup, all in the Cruising Class. I find that pointing when going to weather isn't much of an issue for me as long as I depower the main, as needed to keep her relatively flat (no more than 15 degrees). I have my mainsail trimmer constantly adjusting the main, when going to weather, to keep the boat balanced (which is a feat considering my old Schaefer traveler). I want to keep the rudder from becoming a break, so I try and keep it neutral as much as possible. As soon as I have to turn the wheel more than 15-20 degrees, we spin the main and come up as much as possible. I am racing in the same type of fleet as you, as far as ratings are concerned, and find that I am usually at the front of the pack (with good starts), and can stay that way (if I don't get waterlined by those bigger boats). I have cruising sails that are 2 years old on the boat, with no adjustable backstay, and a RF genoa. My rating is a 162 due to the RF. I am wondering why your not able to point very high, is your rig tuned? Otherwise I can't see why your not able to outpoint the fleet. Jonathan S/V Tempo

Thanks Great info. We do depower the main to reduce weather helm. Also with the hydraulic back stay adjustor which I put on this year. She had an old wheel adjustor before. How is you bottom. I'm going to take mine down next spring and put on a super smooth one probably use Vivid paint. I did have the rig adjusted some what but probably should redo it . Sailings about over for me this year. Two more frost bit races, then having my shoulder replaced. I sail out of the Miles River YC. If you ever in this neck of the woods give me a call 410-829-2965. From: "ro… [at] cox.net [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Cal Boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 10:31:16 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 33-2 racing Jeep, Just saw your message and I sail a Cal 33-2 SD on the Hampton Roads portion at the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay. Just purchased the boat last November (raced on a full keel version Cal 33-2 years ago), and this year we have done very well. I have won the New Years Day race, won the Tri-Services Cup, 2nd Place in the Saturday & Sunday Cape Charles Cup race, & 2nd Place in the Veteran's Cup, all in the Cruising Class. I find that pointing when going to weather isn't much of an issue for me as long as I depower the main, as needed to keep her relatively flat (no more than 15 degrees). I have my mainsail trimmer constantly adjusting the main, when going to weather, to keep the boat balanced (which is a feat considering my old Schaefer traveler). I want to keep the rudder from becoming a break, so I try and keep it neutral as much as possible. As soon as I have to turn the wheel more than 15-20 degrees, we spin the main and come up as much as possible. I am racing in the same type of fleet as you, as far as ratings are concerned, and find that I am usually at the front of the pack (with good starts), and can stay that way (if I don't get waterlined by those bigger boats). I have cruising sails that are 2 years old on the boat, with no adjustable backstay, and a RF genoa. My rating is a 162 due to the RF. I am wondering why your not able to point very high, is your rig tuned? Otherwise I can't see why your not able to outpoint the fleet. Jonathan S/V Tempo