Re: RE: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor.

I'm inclined to think that moisture gets anywhere..EVERYWHERE on a sailboat. Even the snap-wrapped, cloth boots will get wet, I would think. Do they really drain/dry completely? I'm asking questions because on my newly acquired 2-25 (25-2?) , the spreader has some tape and I want to rectify that. I'm re-sealing all deck hardware, chainplates, sheet tracks...might as well climb and do spreader tips also! :-) thanks. ..tom On 11/20/15, r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I would be reluctant to use this taping method. Moisture that gets in would be semi-trapped in there. reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:32:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor. I used to use vinyl tape but it gets torn up as you can see in this picture. Last season I used million dollar tape and it does pretty well. It is very slippery being teflon and all. Here is a picture of my spreader. I don't know how this spreader compares to others so don't know if it would be harder or easier on a sail and if the Taylor Made cover would fit. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:07 PM, 'Timm Lessley' ti… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > wrote: Hi Allen, The Taylor Made covers are available for viewing at WM. The cover is like a heavy “cotton / polyester” ribbed canvas, that looks a bit like fire hose cover material. The end is padded with a foam like material. This review was on Amazon These are the industry standard. They last 8 to 10 years, you can clean them with a spray cleaner with a little bleach in it, but bleach will eat them. These provide a lot of protection for your head sails that overlap the mast/spreaders. The other option is white rubber covers made of the same material as fenders. The plastic ones don't last as long as the Taylor made products, and the plastic ones do not provide as much protection for your sails. Finally, the web strap that holds these on is better than zip ties used on the rubber ends. The rubber ends look sleek and shiny. The other option is to tape under the covers. Just make sure water can drain from under the tape to minimize galvanic action. The tape will protect your sails in the unlikely event a spreader end get ripped off. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:57 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor. @Timm, What are those maxi pads made of? My spreader is wood and I doubt the oval one will fit so was wondering about making one. But what is the raw material? Allen On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:57 AM, 'Timm Lessley' ti… [at] danishmarineco.com [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > wrote: Yep’m – for me the cloth tips perform as I want for the reasons stated. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:55 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor. Timm, I got lost in your recommendation, are you recommeding the maxi pads? I read somewhere back not to use rollers on the spreader tips for some reason or another. They said to use leather tips. I am replacing rubber boots. Thanks again for your valuable input. Randy Cal 2 29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3 From: "'Timm Lessley' ti… [at] danishmarineco.com [Cal_Boats]" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: 11/05/2015 5:55 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor. We only use the Harken rollers on lifeline stanchions, never thought about on a spreader. They help the sail during a tack to get inside the rail for a hard upwind grind. If you were to fall on a stanchion, maybe they would also prevent a puncture to your rib cage. If installing before you step the mast You will need to understand well the spreader angle under tension so the install will not prevent proper spreader function. I don’t think I would use these on spreader tips on our discontinuous rig, as I do not think they would protect our film sails very well from the spreader tips. I prefer the cloth padded “maxi pad style” as · the film sails do not stick to it like rubber or other materials, · they breath well, and let rain water wash the salt from the tips. · I don’t trust the buckle and add a bit of red or green electrical tape, depending on the proper side. · They only last @ 3years, which reminds me to clean the salt from the tip before the monel, stainless and aluminum fist fight concludes poorly. · and apply a fresh coating of TefGel as a referee for the next three years. · The big surface keeps the spreader tip from punching a $9,000 genoa in the belly button. · 2008, our brand new Quantum Carbon Fiber 155% had the leech ripped off by a rubber tip during the test sail first tack… · (see $9k sail aforementioned.) Kind regards, *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ......….- _ /) dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [ mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ] Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:28 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots David, We use the Harken Sail Chafe Protectors on Magic. They work well and have help up pretty good for the past three years. Michael From: "david howe tr… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > To: yahoogroups < ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 2:09 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots So I'm just about decided to use leather boots on the spreader tips and then I read about using the Harken Sail Chafe Protectors. Anyone have any experience with these? I'm making new spreaders so it might be easier to install these while the mast is down and also cheaper. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

You are right, water will go anywhere and trapping it will ruin any metal. The cloth imho lets the water migrate – which I think is a good thing. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 9:39 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor. I'm inclined to think that moisture gets anywhere..EVERYWHERE on a sailboat. Even the snap-wrapped, cloth boots will get wet, I would think. Do they really drain/dry completely? I'm asking questions because on my newly acquired 2-25 (25-2?) , the spreader has some tape and I want to rectify that. I'm re-sealing all deck hardware, chainplates, sheet tracks...might as well climb and do spreader tips also! :-) thanks. ..tom On 11/20/15, r good my… [at] hotmail.com <mailto:my… [at] hotmail.com> [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > wrote: I would be reluctant to use this taping method. Moisture that gets in would be semi-trapped in there. reggie _____ To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:32:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor. I used to use vinyl tape but it gets torn up as you can see in this picture. Last season I used million dollar tape and it does pretty well. It is very slippery being teflon and all. Here is a picture of my spreader. I don't know how this spreader compares to others so don't know if it would be harder or easier on a sail and if the Taylor Made cover would fit. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:07 PM, 'Timm Lessley' ti… [at] gmail.com <mailto:ti… [at] gmail.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > wrote: Hi Allen, The Taylor Made covers are available for viewing at WM. The cover is like a heavy “cotton / polyester” ribbed canvas, that looks a bit like fire hose cover material. The end is padded with a foam like material. This review was on Amazon These are the industry standard. They last 8 to 10 years, you can clean them with a spray cleaner with a little bleach in it, but bleach will eat them. These provide a lot of protection for your head sails that overlap the mast/spreaders. The other option is white rubber covers made of the same material as fenders. The plastic ones don't last as long as the Taylor made products, and the plastic ones do not provide as much protection for your sails. Finally, the web strap that holds these on is better than zip ties used on the rubber ends. The rubber ends look sleek and shiny. The other option is to tape under the covers. Just make sure water can drain from under the tape to minimize galvanic action. The tape will protect your sails in the unlikely event a spreader end get ripped off. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:57 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor. @Timm, What are those maxi pads made of? My spreader is wood and I doubt the oval one will fit so was wondering about making one. But what is the raw material? Allen On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:57 AM, 'Timm Lessley' ti… [at] danishmarineco.com <mailto:ti… [at] danishmarineco.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > wrote: Yep’m – for me the cloth tips perform as I want for the reasons stated. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:55 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor. Timm, I got lost in your recommendation, are you recommeding the maxi pads? I read somewhere back not to use rollers on the spreader tips for some reason or another. They said to use leather tips. I am replacing rubber boots. Thanks again for your valuable input. Randy Cal 2 29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3 From: "'Timm Lessley' ti… [at] danishmarineco.com <mailto:ti… [at] danishmarineco.com> [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: 11/05/2015 5:55 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor. We only use the Harken rollers on lifeline stanchions, never thought about on a spreader. They help the sail during a tack to get inside the rail for a hard upwind grind. If you were to fall on a stanchion, maybe they would also prevent a puncture to your rib cage. If installing before you step the mast You will need to understand well the spreader angle under tension so the install will not prevent proper spreader function. I don’t think I would use these on spreader tips on our discontinuous rig, as I do not think they would protect our film sails very well from the spreader tips. I prefer the cloth padded “maxi pad style” as * the film sails do not stick to it like rubber or other materials, * they breath well, and let rain water wash the salt from the tips. * I don’t trust the buckle and add a bit of red or green electrical tape, depending on the proper side. * They only last @ 3years, which reminds me to clean the salt from the tip before the monel, stainless and aluminum fist fight concludes poorly. * and apply a fresh coating of TefGel as a referee for the next three years. * The big surface keeps the spreader tip from punching a $9,000 genoa in the belly button. * 2008, our brand new Quantum Carbon Fiber 155% had the leech ripped off by a rubber tip during the test sail first tack… * (see $9k sail aforementioned.) Kind regards, *´¨) ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ......….-_/) dEmO From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:28 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots David, We use the Harken Sail Chafe Protectors on Magic. They work well and have help up pretty good for the past three years. Michael _____ From: "david howe tr… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:tr… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > To: yahoogroups <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 2:09 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots So I'm just about decided to use leather boots on the spreader tips and then I read about using the Harken Sail Chafe Protectors. Anyone have any experience with these? I'm making new spreaders so it might be easier to install these while the mast is down and also cheaper. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0>

It didn't seem to hurt anything. The metal strap is either stainless steel or bronze but more importantly it didn't hurt the wood. I would be more worried about the cloth holding in water so it needs to be something that won't hold water. On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 4:20 PM, 'Timm Lessley' ti… [at] danishmarineco.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > You are right, water will go anywhere and trapping it will ruin any metal. > The cloth imho lets the water migrate – which I think is a good thing. > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 9:39 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: RE: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor. > > > > > > I'm inclined to think that moisture gets anywhere..EVERYWHERE on a > sailboat. > Even the snap-wrapped, cloth boots will get wet, I would think. > Do they really drain/dry completely? > I'm asking questions because on my newly acquired 2-25 (25-2?) , the > spreader has some tape and I want to rectify that. > I'm re-sealing all deck hardware, chainplates, sheet tracks...might as > well climb and do spreader tips also! > :-) > thanks. > ..tom > > > > > > On 11/20/15, r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats]< > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > I would be reluctant to use this taping method. Moisture that gets in > would be semi-trapped in there. > reggie > > ------------------------------ > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:32:07 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor. > > > > I used to use vinyl tape but it gets torn up as you can see in this > picture. Last season I used million dollar tape and it does pretty well. > It is very slippery being teflon and all. Here is a picture of my > spreader. I don't know how this spreader compares to others so don't know > if it would be harder or easier on a sail and if the Taylor Made cover > would fit. > > > > [image: Inline image 1] > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:07 PM, 'Timm Lessley' ti… [at] gmail.com > [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Allen, > > > > The Taylor Made covers are available for viewing at WM. > > > > The cover is like a heavy “cotton / polyester” ribbed canvas, that looks a > bit like fire hose cover material. The end is padded with a foam like > material. > > > > This review was on Amazon > > These are the industry standard. They last 8 to 10 years, you can clean > them with a spray cleaner with a little bleach in it, but bleach will eat > them. These provide a lot of protection for your head sails that overlap > the mast/spreaders. The other option is white rubber covers made of the > same material as fenders. The plastic ones don't last as long as the Taylor > made products, and the plastic ones do not provide as much protection for > your sails. Finally, the web strap that holds these on is better than zip > ties used on the rubber ends. The rubber ends look sleek and shiny. The > other option is to tape under the covers. Just make sure water can drain > from under the tape to minimize galvanic action. The tape will protect your > sails in the unlikely event a spreader end get ripped off. > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:57 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor. > > > > > > @Timm, What are those maxi pads made of? My spreader is wood and I doubt > the oval one will fit so was wondering about making one. But what is the > raw material? > > > > Allen > > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:57 AM, 'Timm Lessley' ti… [at] danishmarineco.com > [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Yep’m – for me the cloth tips perform as I want for the reasons stated. > > > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:55 AM > > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor. > > > > Timm, > > > > I got lost in your recommendation, are you recommeding the maxi pads? > > > > I read somewhere back not to use rollers on the spreader tips for some > reason or another. They said to use leather tips. > > > > I am replacing rubber boots. > > > > Thanks again for your valuable input. > > > > Randy > > Cal 2 29 > > Out Patient > > Channel Islands Ca > > > > > > > > Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3 > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "'Timm Lessley' ti… [at] danishmarineco.com [Cal_Boats]" < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: 11/05/2015 5:55 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots - I like Taylor. > > > > We only use the Harken rollers on lifeline stanchions, never thought about > on a spreader. > > > > They help the sail during a tack to get inside the rail for a hard upwind > grind. > > > > If you were to fall on a stanchion, maybe they would also prevent a > puncture to your rib cage. > > > > If installing before you step the mast You will need to understand well > the spreader angle under tension so the install will not prevent proper > spreader function. > > > > I don’t think I would use these on spreader tips on our discontinuous rig, > as I do not think they would protect our film sails very well from the > spreader tips. > > > > I prefer the cloth padded “maxi pad style” as > > · the film sails do not stick to it like rubber or other > materials, > > · they breath well, and let rain water wash the salt from the > tips. > > · I don’t trust the buckle and add a bit of red or green > electrical tape, depending on the proper side. > > · They only last @ 3years, which reminds me to clean the salt > from the tip before the monel, stainless and aluminum fist fight concludes > poorly. > > · and apply a fresh coating of TefGel as a referee for the next > three years. > > · The big surface keeps the spreader tip from punching a $9,000 > genoa in the belly button. > > · 2008, our brand new Quantum Carbon Fiber 155% had the leech > ripped off by a rubber tip during the test sail first tack… > > · (see $9k sail aforementioned.) > > > > Kind regards, > > > > *´¨) > ¸.· ´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·**¨) > (¸.·´ (¸.·' ( ......….-*_/)* > > dEmO > > > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>] > *Sent:* Thursday, November 05, 2015 11:28 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots > > > > > > David, > > > > We use the Harken Sail Chafe Protectors on Magic. They work well and have > help up pretty good for the past three years. > > > > Michael > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* "david howe tr… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *To:* yahoogroups <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 5, 2015 2:09 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Spreader tip boots > > > > > > So I'm just about decided to use leather boots on the spreader tips and > then I read about using the Harken Sail Chafe Protectors. Anyone have any > experience with these? > > I'm making new spreaders so it might be easier to install these while the > mast is down and also cheaper. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0> > > > > > > > > > > > > >