Jib Sheets?

Might be the wrong time to ask questions (given the holiday season), but here it is. I've been getting some grousing from my racing crew about the jib sheets I've been using on my CAL 25. I've been using Samson XLS 3/8" for the reasonably low stretch. Complaint is that the line is slick on the winch, and kind of stiffens in cold weather (we race all winter in Annapolis). Would like to avoid re-knurling the winches. Also, stretch is not so critical, since I keep a watch-below trimmer on the working sheet at all times. Would like to get a better "hand" on the sheets. I know that low/ultra-low stretch is faster, but it is also more stress on the rig. What is your favorite jib sheet brand/type? Annapolis Yacht Club will continue to run their racing events like the Frostbites despite the recent destructive fire at the clubhouse. Many Thanks Happy Holidays Charlie Annapolis

I don't think stretch on a jib sheet is not worth thinking about for keel boats under 30 ft.. It's only a factor when you are trimmed tight and when you are trimmed tight, there isn't that much sheet to stretch. Stretch becomes an issue when you really under size the line or have a strong taper. I use the New England Sta-set. It is slippery when new but then becomes soft. The biggest issue w the lower tech line is weight when wet. Heavy lines slow the jib down during tacks. Jim East Coast Cal 29 sailor. On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 9:58 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Might be the wrong time to ask questions (given the holiday season), but > here it is. > > I've been getting some grousing from my racing crew about the jib sheets > I've been using on my CAL 25. I've been using Samson XLS 3/8" for the > reasonably low stretch. Complaint is that the line is slick on the winch, > and kind of stiffens in cold weather (we race all winter in Annapolis). > Would like to avoid re-knurling the winches. Also, stretch is not so > critical, since I keep a watch-below trimmer on the working sheet at all > times. Would like to get a better "hand" on the sheets. > > I know that low/ultra-low stretch is faster, but it is also more stress on > the rig. > > What is your favorite jib sheet brand/type? > > Annapolis Yacht Club will continue to run their racing events like the > Frostbites despite the recent destructive fire at the clubhouse. > > Many Thanks > Happy Holidays > Charlie > Annapolis > > >

On 12/22/2015 9:58 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > Might be the wrong time to ask questions (given the holiday season), but > here it is. > > I've been getting some grousing from my racing crew about the jib sheets > I've been using on my CAL 25. I've been using Samson XLS 3/8" for the > reasonably low stretch. Complaint is that the line is slick on the winch, > and kind of stiffens in cold weather (we race all winter in Annapolis). > Would like to avoid re-knurling the winches. Also, stretch is not so > critical, since I keep a watch-below trimmer on the working sheet at all > times. Would like to get a better "hand" on the sheets. Can't you just over-size the sheets (more friction on the winches)? Sometimes the block and cleat sizes prevent this, but I remember my Dad favoring a larger-sized mainsheet on the other boat many years ago, just for "hand." It wasn't needed for strength or stretch, just to make life for pleasant for the sailor. I joined a local group for a nighttime bike ride around our town last week. We are having atypical weather (warm, rain, no snow). On the day of the proposed ride it was 45° and raining until about an hour before the start. Then the rain stopped and we had this wonderful slow ride through town, riders ranging in age over about 6 decades, lights flashing and making car drivers nervous. I told the organizer that I was going to show up anyway because I'm a sailor, and for us, wet and cold is fun. But let's face it, warm and dry can be more fun. Same with other things on the boat--if you can get some comfort without major penalties, /why not/?? (That's why my winter bike has fenders). Chris Campbell > >

Charlie, wanna trade your sheets for my 60 plus feet of 9/16" Sta-set?. Only slightly weathered and worn, as I store it inside my mains'l canvas, and wash it periodically. I'm looking for something lighter that sides thru the blocks faster in tacks, and doesn't get heavy and draggy when wet.I had some single weave polyester 3/8" that went thru the blocks real fast, but it got snagged and torn on the rigging right after I bought it, and I returned it to West Marine for credit. Jerry of ye olde Shpritz Cal 24. On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:04 AM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 12/22/2015 9:58 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: Might be the wrong time to ask questions (given the holiday season), but here it is. I've been getting some grousing from my racing crew about the jib sheets I've been using on my CAL 25. I've been using Samson XLS 3/8" for the reasonably low stretch. Complaint is that the line is slick on the winch, and kind of stiffens in cold weather (we race all winter in Annapolis). Would like to avoid re-knurling the winches. Also, stretch is not so critical, since I keep a watch-below trimmer on the working sheet at all times. Would like to get a better "hand" on the sheets. Can't you just over-size the sheets (more friction on the winches)? Sometimes the block and cleat sizes prevent this, but I remember my Dad favoring a larger-sized mainsheet on the other boat many years ago, just for "hand." It wasn't needed for strength or stretch, just to make life for pleasant for the sailor. I joined a local group for a nighttime bike ride around our town last week. We are having atypical weather (warm, rain, no snow). On the day of the proposed ride it was 45° and raining until about an hour before the start. Then the rain stopped and we had this wonderful slow ride through town, riders ranging in age over about 6 decades, lights flashing and making car drivers nervous. I told the organizer that I was going to show up anyway because I'm a sailor, and for us, wet and cold is fun. But let's face it, warm and dry can be more fun. Same with other things on the boat--if you can get some comfort without major penalties, why not?? (That's why my winter bike has fenders). Chris Campbell

Charlie- Did you consider replacing the complaining crew instead of the offending slippery lines 😆 Mike Casillo Invincible Summer, Cal 2-25 > On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Charlie, wanna trade your sheets for my 60 plus feet of 9/16" Sta-set?. Only slightly weathered and worn, as I store it inside my mains'l canvas, and wash it periodically. I'm looking for something lighter that sides thru the blocks faster in tacks, and doesn't get heavy and draggy when wet. > I had some single weave polyester 3/8" that went thru the blocks real fast, but it got snagged and torn on the rigging right after I bought it, and I returned it to West Marine for credit. > Jerry of ye olde Shpritz Cal 24. > > > On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:04 AM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > >> On 12/22/2015 9:58 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: >> Might be the wrong time to ask questions (given the holiday season), but >> here it is. >> >> I've been getting some grousing from my racing crew about the jib sheets >> I've been using on my CAL 25. I've been using Samson XLS 3/8" for the >> reasonably low stretch. Complaint is that the line is slick on the winch, >> and kind of stiffens in cold weather (we race all winter in Annapolis). >> Would like to avoid re-knurling the winches. Also, stretch is not so >> critical, since I keep a watch-below trimmer on the working sheet at all >> times. Would like to get a better "hand" on the sheets. > > Can't you just over-size the sheets (more friction on the winches)? Sometimes the block and cleat sizes prevent this, but I remember my Dad favoring a larger-sized mainsheet on the other boat many years ago, just for "hand." It wasn't needed for strength or stretch, just to make life for pleasant for the sailor. > > I joined a local group for a nighttime bike ride around our town last week. We are having atypical weather (warm, rain, no snow). On the day of the proposed ride it was 45° and raining until about an hour before the start. Then the rain stopped and we had this wonderful slow ride through town, riders ranging in age over about 6 decades, lights flashing and making car drivers nervous. I told the organizer that I was going to show up anyway because I'm a sailor, and for us, wet and cold is fun. But let's face it, warm and dry can be more fun. Same with other things on the boat--if you can get some comfort without major penalties, why not?? (That's why my winter bike has fenders). > > Chris Campbell > > > >

Many times, Mike, many times… but these days just showing up to crew is major qualifying factor. Teams ain’t what teams used to be. Jerry, that 9/16” just might sink my boat. You could sell it to the Queen Mary Hotel to use as a hawser. Chris, most of my boat is set up for 3/8” line (blocks and all). Some folks in the CALs are even using 5/16”. Jim, I agree on the stretch and wetness. I do have New England Flight Line (non-absorbent polypropylene) for light air sheets. There used to be line available with fuzzier cladding, but seems to have disappeared (unless someone know a source). Cheers Charlie CAL 25 - Chicken Little Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib Sheets? Charlie- Did you consider replacing the complaining crew instead of the offending slippery lines 😆 Mike Casillo Invincible Summer, Cal 2-25 On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > wrote: Charlie, wanna trade your sheets for my 60 plus feet of 9/16" Sta-set?. Only slightly weathered and worn, as I store it inside my mains'l canvas, and wash it periodically. I'm looking for something lighter that sides thru the blocks faster in tacks, and doesn't get heavy and draggy when wet. I had some single weave polyester 3/8" that went thru the blocks real fast, but it got snagged and torn on the rigging right after I bought it, and I returned it to West Marine for credit. Jerry of ye olde Shpritz Cal 24. On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:04 AM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org <mailto:cc… [at] lsnm.org> [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > wrote: On 12/22/2015 9:58 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com <mailto:hu… [at] gmail.com> [Cal_Boats] wrote: Might be the wrong time to ask questions (given the holiday season), but here it is. I've been getting some grousing from my racing crew about the jib sheets I've been using on my CAL 25. I've been using Samson XLS 3/8" for the reasonably low stretch. Complaint is that the line is slick on the winch, and kind of stiffens in cold weather (we race all winter in Annapolis). Would like to avoid re-knurling the winches. Also, stretch is not so critical, since I keep a watch-below trimmer on the working sheet at all times. Would like to get a better "hand" on the sheets. Can't you just over-size the sheets (more friction on the winches)? Sometimes the block and cleat sizes prevent this, but I remember my Dad favoring a larger-sized mainsheet on the other boat many years ago, just for "hand." It wasn't needed for strength or stretch, just to make life for pleasant for the sailor. I joined a local group for a nighttime bike ride around our town last week. We are having atypical weather (warm, rain, no snow). On the day of the proposed ride it was 45° and raining until about an hour before the start. Then the rain stopped and we had this wonderful slow ride through town, riders ranging in age over about 6 decades, lights flashing and making car drivers nervous. I told the organizer that I was going to show up anyway because I'm a sailor, and for us, wet and cold is fun. But let's face it, warm and dry can be more fun. Same with other things on the boat--if you can get some comfort without major penalties, why not?? (That's why my winter bike has fenders). Chris Campbell

Charlie, I have dragged line through sand to get rid of some of the slickness. Doesn't always work, but sometimes helps. Just wash thoroughly afterwords if you try that. On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Many times, Mike, many times… but these days just showing up to crew is > major qualifying factor. Teams ain’t what teams used to be. > > > > Jerry, that 9/16” just might sink my boat. You could sell it to the Queen > Mary Hotel to use as a hawser. > > > > Chris, most of my boat is set up for 3/8” line (blocks and all). Some > folks in the CALs are even using 5/16”. > > > > Jim, I agree on the stretch and wetness. I do have New England Flight > Line (non-absorbent polypropylene) for light air sheets. > > > > There used to be line available with fuzzier cladding, but seems to have > disappeared (unless someone know a source). > > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > CAL 25 - Chicken Little > > Annapolis > > > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:30 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib Sheets? > > > > > > > Charlie- > > > > Did you consider replacing the complaining crew instead of the offending > slippery lines 😆 > > > > Mike Casillo > > > > *Invincible Summer*, Cal 2-25 > > > > > > > On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com > [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Charlie, wanna trade your sheets for my 60 plus feet of 9/16" Sta-set?. > Only slightly weathered and worn, as I store it inside my mains'l canvas, > and wash it periodically. I'm looking for something lighter that sides thru > the blocks faster in tacks, and doesn't get heavy and draggy when wet. > > I had some single weave polyester 3/8" that went thru the blocks real > fast, but it got snagged and torn on the rigging right after I bought it, > and I returned it to West Marine for credit. > > Jerry of ye olde Shpritz Cal 24. > > > > On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:04 AM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org > [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 12/22/2015 9:58 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] > wrote: > > Might be the wrong time to ask questions (given the holiday season), but > > here it is. > > > > I've been getting some grousing from my racing crew about the jib sheets > > I've been using on my CAL 25. I've been using Samson XLS 3/8" for the > > reasonably low stretch. Complaint is that the line is slick on the winch, > > and kind of stiffens in cold weather (we race all winter in Annapolis). > > Would like to avoid re-knurling the winches. Also, stretch is not so > > critical, since I keep a watch-below trimmer on the working sheet at all > > times. Would like to get a better "hand" on the sheets. > > > Can't you just over-size the sheets (more friction on the winches)? > Sometimes the block and cleat sizes prevent this, but I remember my Dad > favoring a larger-sized mainsheet on the other boat many years ago, just > for "hand." It wasn't needed for strength or stretch, just to make life > for pleasant for the sailor. > > I joined a local group for a nighttime bike ride around our town last > week. We are having atypical weather (warm, rain, no snow). On the day > of the proposed ride it was 45° and raining until about an hour before the > start. Then the rain stopped and we had this wonderful slow ride through > town, riders ranging in age over about 6 decades, lights flashing and > making car drivers nervous. I told the organizer that I was going to show > up anyway because I'm a sailor, and for us, wet and cold is fun. But let's > face it, warm and dry can be more fun. Same with other things on the > boat--if you can get some comfort without major penalties, *why not*?? > (That's why my winter bike has fenders). > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > > >

Charlie,Mine are fuzzy, easy to hold, I think Sampson from Defender, but I bought them a few years ago, so I may be mistaken. As I have said before, I don't keep receipts, don't want to know how much I spend, so I can't actually be sure. But I think they're Sampson. When I crewed on an Erickson 35 we never cleated the jib or spin sheet, even on the 333 mile race to Mackinac Trim, trim, trim. Let it out, pull it back, repeat ad infinitum. I was never yelled at, so I must have been doing it right. Was sometimes asked to move the car. I gave that up but the boat is still getting silver, maybe because I'm gone! David Dobbs CAL29 411 On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:13 PM, "'sailor7312 .' sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Charlie, I have dragged line through sand to get rid of some of the slickness. Doesn't always work, but sometimes helps. Just wash thoroughly afterwords if you try that. On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Many times, Mike, many times… but these days just showing up to crew is major qualifying factor. Teams ain’t what teams used to be. Jerry, that 9/16” just might sink my boat. You could sell it to the Queen Mary Hotel to use as a hawser. Chris, most of my boat is set up for 3/8” line (blocks and all). Some folks in the CALs are even using 5/16”. Jim, I agree on the stretch and wetness. I do have New England Flight Line (non-absorbent polypropylene) for light air sheets. There used to be line available with fuzzier cladding, but seems to have disappeared (unless someone know a source). CheersCharlieCAL 25 - Chicken LittleAnnapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib Sheets? Charlie- Did you consider replacing the complaining crew instead of the offending slippery lines 😆 Mike Casillo Invincible Summer, Cal 2-25 On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Charlie, wanna trade your sheets for my 60 plus feet of 9/16" Sta-set?. Only slightly weathered and worn, as I store it inside my mains'l canvas, and wash it periodically. I'm looking for something lighter that sides thru the blocks faster in tacks, and doesn't get heavy and draggy when wet.I had some single weave polyester 3/8" that went thru the blocks real fast, but it got snagged and torn on the rigging right after I bought it, and I returned it to West Marine for credit. Jerry of ye olde Shpritz Cal 24. On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:04 AM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 12/22/2015 9:58 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: Might be the wrong time to ask questions (given the holiday season), buthere it is. I've been getting some grousing from my racing crew about the jib sheetsI've been using on my CAL 25. I've been using Samson XLS 3/8" for thereasonably low stretch. Complaint is that the line is slick on the winch,and kind of stiffens in cold weather (we race all winter in Annapolis).Would like to avoid re-knurling the winches. Also, stretch is not socritical, since I keep a watch-below trimmer on the working sheet at alltimes. Would like to get a better "hand" on the sheets. Can't you just over-size the sheets (more friction on the winches)? Sometimes the block and cleat sizes prevent this, but I remember my Dad favoring a larger-sized mainsheet on the other boat many years ago, just for "hand." It wasn't needed for strength or stretch, just to make life for pleasant for the sailor. I joined a local group for a nighttime bike ride around our town last week. We are having atypical weather (warm, rain, no snow). On the day of the proposed ride it was 45° and raining until about an hour before the start. Then the rain stopped and we had this wonderful slow ride through town, riders ranging in age over about 6 decades, lights flashing and making car drivers nervous. I told the organizer that I was going to show up anyway because I'm a sailor, and for us, wet and cold is fun. But let's face it, warm and dry can be more fun. Same with other things on the boat--if you can get some comfort without major penalties, why not?? (That's why my winter bike has fenders). Chris Campbell

Charlie, my bad...it's a 7/16" Sta-set line, so, she won't sink ye boat. As far as the grousing crew, I wouldn't get rid of them as a first step (good rum for a proper Shanghi-ing ought not be wasted). So I looked up what's proper for a young sea-going crew, that is, I Googled it. This is what it sez? [...] midshipmen were ... always open to the caprice of their commanding officers, punishments awarded to them during their apprenticeship, such as mast-heading, disrating, being turned before the mast, being flogged, and in fact being turned out of the service altogether, all of which are severe punishments; still I am of the opinion, they are ultimately for advantage to the individual, and equally for the benefit of the naval service of the country.Youth often runs wild and riotous, and requires a tight hand to keep it within bounds. On board the Mediator, all these punishments were inflicted at various times; and one morning after breakfast, while at anchor in St John's Road, Antigua, all the midshipmen were sent for into the Captain's cabin, and four of us were tied up one after the other to the breech of one of the guns, and flogged upon our bare bottoms with a cat-o'-nine-tails, by the boatswain of the ship; some received six lashes, some seven, and myself three. No doubt we all deserved it, and were thankful that we were punished in the cabin instead of upon deck, which was not uncommon in other ships of the fleet. [Jeffrey Baron de Raigersfeld, The Life of a Sea Officer, c.1830, reprinted in the "Seafarers' Library", Cassell, London, 1929.] On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:46 PM, "david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Charlie,Mine are fuzzy, easy to hold, I think Sampson from Defender, but I bought them a few years ago, so I may be mistaken. As I have said before, I don't keep receipts, don't want to know how much I spend, so I can't actually be sure. But I think they're Sampson. When I crewed on an Erickson 35 we never cleated the jib or spin sheet, even on the 333 mile race to Mackinac Trim, trim, trim. Let it out, pull it back, repeat ad infinitum. I was never yelled at, so I must have been doing it right. Was sometimes asked to move the car. I gave that up but the boat is still getting silver, maybe because I'm gone! David Dobbs CAL29 411 On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:13 PM, "'sailor7312 .' sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Charlie, I have dragged line through sand to get rid of some of the slickness. Doesn't always work, but sometimes helps. Just wash thoroughly afterwords if you try that. On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Many times, Mike, many times… but these days just showing up to crew is major qualifying factor. Teams ain’t what teams used to be. Jerry, that 9/16” just might sink my boat. You could sell it to the Queen Mary Hotel to use as a hawser. Chris, most of my boat is set up for 3/8” line (blocks and all). Some folks in the CALs are even using 5/16”. Jim, I agree on the stretch and wetness. I do have New England Flight Line (non-absorbent polypropylene) for light air sheets. There used to be line available with fuzzier cladding, but seems to have disappeared (unless someone know a source). CheersCharlieCAL 25 - Chicken LittleAnnapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib Sheets? Charlie- Did you consider replacing the complaining crew instead of the offending slippery lines 😆 Mike Casillo Invincible Summer, Cal 2-25 On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Charlie, wanna trade your sheets for my 60 plus feet of 9/16" Sta-set?. Only slightly weathered and worn, as I store it inside my mains'l canvas, and wash it periodically. I'm looking for something lighter that sides thru the blocks faster in tacks, and doesn't get heavy and draggy when wet.I had some single weave polyester 3/8" that went thru the blocks real fast, but it got snagged and torn on the rigging right after I bought it, and I returned it to West Marine for credit. Jerry of ye olde Shpritz Cal 24. On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:04 AM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 12/22/2015 9:58 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: Might be the wrong time to ask questions (given the holiday season), buthere it is. I've been getting some grousing from my racing crew about the jib sheetsI've been using on my CAL 25. I've been using Samson XLS 3/8" for thereasonably low stretch. Complaint is that the line is slick on the winch,and kind of stiffens in cold weather (we race all winter in Annapolis).Would like to avoid re-knurling the winches. Also, stretch is not socritical, since I keep a watch-below trimmer on the working sheet at alltimes. Would like to get a better "hand" on the sheets. Can't you just over-size the sheets (more friction on the winches)? Sometimes the block and cleat sizes prevent this, but I remember my Dad favoring a larger-sized mainsheet on the other boat many years ago, just for "hand." It wasn't needed for strength or stretch, just to make life for pleasant for the sailor. I joined a local group for a nighttime bike ride around our town last week. We are having atypical weather (warm, rain, no snow). On the day of the proposed ride it was 45° and raining until about an hour before the start. Then the rain stopped and we had this wonderful slow ride through town, riders ranging in age over about 6 decades, lights flashing and making car drivers nervous. I told the organizer that I was going to show up anyway because I'm a sailor, and for us, wet and cold is fun. But let's face it, warm and dry can be more fun. Same with other things on the boat--if you can get some comfort without major penalties, why not?? (That's why my winter bike has fenders). Chris Campbell

Crew today, so ungrateful when flogged, even when they deserve it. Mike Casillo Invincible Summer, Cal 2-25 > On Dec 23, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Charlie, my bad...it's a 7/16" Sta-set line, so, she won't sink ye boat. As far as the grousing crew, I wouldn't get rid of them as a first step (good rum for a proper Shanghi-ing ought not be wasted). So I looked up what's proper for a young sea-going crew, that is, I Googled it. This is what it sez? > > [...] midshipmen were ... always open to the caprice of their commanding officers, punishments awarded to them during their apprenticeship, such as mast-heading, disrating, being turned before the mast, being flogged, and in fact being turned out of the service altogether, all of which are severe punishments; still I am of the opinion, they are ultimately for advantage to the individual, and equally for the benefit of the naval service of the country. > Youth often runs wild and riotous, and requires a tight hand to keep it within bounds. On board the Mediator, all these punishments were inflicted at various times; and one morning after breakfast, while at anchor in St John's Road, Antigua, all the midshipmen were sent for into the Captain's cabin, and four of us were tied up one after the other to the breech of one of the guns, and flogged upon our bare bottoms with a cat-o'-nine-tails, by the boatswain of the ship; some received six lashes, some seven, and myself three. No doubt we all deserved it, and were thankful that we were punished in the cabin instead of upon deck, which was not uncommon in other ships of the fleet. > [Jeffrey Baron de Raigersfeld, The Life of a Sea Officer, c.1830, reprinted in the "Seafarers' Library", Cassell, London, 1929.] > > > On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:46 PM, "david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Charlie, > Mine are fuzzy, easy to hold, I think Sampson from Defender, but I bought them a few years ago, so I may be mistaken. As I have said before, I don't keep receipts, don't want to know how much I spend, so I can't actually be sure. But I think they're Sampson. When I crewed on an Erickson 35 we never cleated the jib or spin sheet, even on the 333 mile race to Mackinac Trim, trim, trim. Let it out, pull it back, repeat ad infinitum. I was never yelled at, so I must have been doing it right. Was sometimes asked to move the car. I gave that up but the boat is still getting silver, maybe because I'm gone! > > David Dobbs CAL29 411 > > > > On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:13 PM, "'sailor7312 .' sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Charlie, > I have dragged line through sand to get rid of some of the slickness. > Doesn't always work, but sometimes helps. > Just wash thoroughly afterwords if you try that. > > > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Many times, Mike, many times… but these days just showing up to crew is major qualifying factor. Teams ain’t what teams used to be. > > Jerry, that 9/16” just might sink my boat. You could sell it to the Queen Mary Hotel to use as a hawser. > > Chris, most of my boat is set up for 3/8” line (blocks and all). Some folks in the CALs are even using 5/16”. > > Jim, I agree on the stretch and wetness. I do have New England Flight Line (non-absorbent polypropylene) for light air sheets. > > There used to be line available with fuzzier cladding, but seems to have disappeared (unless someone know a source). > > Cheers > Charlie > CAL 25 - Chicken Little > Annapolis > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:30 PM > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib Sheets? > > > > > Charlie- > > Did you consider replacing the complaining crew instead of the offending slippery lines 😆 > > Mike Casillo > > Invincible Summer, Cal 2-25 > > > > On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Charlie, wanna trade your sheets for my 60 plus feet of 9/16" Sta-set?. Only slightly weathered and worn, as I store it inside my mains'l canvas, and wash it periodically. I'm looking for something lighter that sides thru the blocks faster in tacks, and doesn't get heavy and draggy when wet. > I had some single weave polyester 3/8" that went thru the blocks real fast, but it got snagged and torn on the rigging right after I bought it, and I returned it to West Marine for credit. > Jerry of ye olde Shpritz Cal 24. > > On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:04 AM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > On 12/22/2015 9:58 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > Might be the wrong time to ask questions (given the holiday season), but > here it is. > > I've been getting some grousing from my racing crew about the jib sheets > I've been using on my CAL 25. I've been using Samson XLS 3/8" for the > reasonably low stretch. Complaint is that the line is slick on the winch, > and kind of stiffens in cold weather (we race all winter in Annapolis). > Would like to avoid re-knurling the winches. Also, stretch is not so > critical, since I keep a watch-below trimmer on the working sheet at all > times. Would like to get a better "hand" on the sheets. > > Can't you just over-size the sheets (more friction on the winches)? Sometimes the block and cleat sizes prevent this, but I remember my Dad favoring a larger-sized mainsheet on the other boat many years ago, just for "hand." It wasn't needed for strength or stretch, just to make life for pleasant for the sailor. > > I joined a local group for a nighttime bike ride around our town last week. We are having atypical weather (warm, rain, no snow). On the day of the proposed ride it was 45° and raining until about an hour before the start. Then the rain stopped and we had this wonderful slow ride through town, riders ranging in age over about 6 decades, lights flashing and making car drivers nervous. I told the organizer that I was going to show up anyway because I'm a sailor, and for us, wet and cold is fun. But let's face it, warm and dry can be more fun. Same with other things on the boat--if you can get some comfort without major penalties, why not?? (That's why my winter bike has fenders). > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > > > > > > >

Mike, The guys I crewed for always made sure the crew was cared for. On distance races we always had hot food, and it was good., The captain was the cook! Been many years since I sailed with them, but we're still fast friends.David Dobbs CAL29 411 On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 4:43 PM, "Mike's Yahoo mi… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Crew today, so ungrateful when flogged, even when they deserve it. Mike CasilloInvincible Summer, Cal 2-25 On Dec 23, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Charlie, my bad...it's a 7/16" Sta-set line, so, she won't sink ye boat. As far as the grousing crew, I wouldn't get rid of them as a first step (good rum for a proper Shanghi-ing ought not be wasted). So I looked up what's proper for a young sea-going crew, that is, I Googled it. This is what it sez? [...] midshipmen were ... always open to the caprice of their commanding officers, punishments awarded to them during their apprenticeship, such as mast-heading, disrating, being turned before the mast, being flogged, and in fact being turned out of the service altogether, all of which are severe punishments; still I am of the opinion, they are ultimately for advantage to the individual, and equally for the benefit of the naval service of the country.Youth often runs wild and riotous, and requires a tight hand to keep it within bounds. On board the Mediator, all these punishments were inflicted at various times; and one morning after breakfast, while at anchor in St John's Road, Antigua, all the midshipmen were sent for into the Captain's cabin, and four of us were tied up one after the other to the breech of one of the guns, and flogged upon our bare bottoms with a cat-o'-nine-tails, by the boatswain of the ship; some received six lashes, some seven, and myself three. No doubt we all deserved it, and were thankful that we were punished in the cabin instead of upon deck, which was not uncommon in other ships of the fleet. [Jeffrey Baron de Raigersfeld, The Life of a Sea Officer, c.1830, reprinted in the "Seafarers' Library", Cassell, London, 1929.] On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:46 PM, "david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Charlie,Mine are fuzzy, easy to hold, I think Sampson from Defender, but I bought them a few years ago, so I may be mistaken. As I have said before, I don't keep receipts, don't want to know how much I spend, so I can't actually be sure. But I think they're Sampson. When I crewed on an Erickson 35 we never cleated the jib or spin sheet, even on the 333 mile race to Mackinac Trim, trim, trim. Let it out, pull it back, repeat ad infinitum. I was never yelled at, so I must have been doing it right. Was sometimes asked to move the car. I gave that up but the boat is still getting silver, maybe because I'm gone! David Dobbs CAL29 411 On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:13 PM, "'sailor7312 .' sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Charlie, I have dragged line through sand to get rid of some of the slickness. Doesn't always work, but sometimes helps. Just wash thoroughly afterwords if you try that. On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Many times, Mike, many times… but these days just showing up to crew is major qualifying factor. Teams ain’t what teams used to be. Jerry, that 9/16” just might sink my boat. You could sell it to the Queen Mary Hotel to use as a hawser. Chris, most of my boat is set up for 3/8” line (blocks and all). Some folks in the CALs are even using 5/16”. Jim, I agree on the stretch and wetness. I do have New England Flight Line (non-absorbent polypropylene) for light air sheets. There used to be line available with fuzzier cladding, but seems to have disappeared (unless someone know a source). CheersCharlieCAL 25 - Chicken LittleAnnapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib Sheets? Charlie- Did you consider replacing the complaining crew instead of the offending slippery lines 😆 Mike Casillo Invincible Summer, Cal 2-25 On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Charlie, wanna trade your sheets for my 60 plus feet of 9/16" Sta-set?. Only slightly weathered and worn, as I store it inside my mains'l canvas, and wash it periodically. I'm looking for something lighter that sides thru the blocks faster in tacks, and doesn't get heavy and draggy when wet.I had some single weave polyester 3/8" that went thru the blocks real fast, but it got snagged and torn on the rigging right after I bought it, and I returned it to West Marine for credit. Jerry of ye olde Shpritz Cal 24. On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:04 AM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 12/22/2015 9:58 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: Might be the wrong time to ask questions (given the holiday season), buthere it is. I've been getting some grousing from my racing crew about the jib sheetsI've been using on my CAL 25. I've been using Samson XLS 3/8" for thereasonably low stretch. Complaint is that the line is slick on the winch,and kind of stiffens in cold weather (we race all winter in Annapolis).Would like to avoid re-knurling the winches. Also, stretch is not socritical, since I keep a watch-below trimmer on the working sheet at alltimes. Would like to get a better "hand" on the sheets. Can't you just over-size the sheets (more friction on the winches)? Sometimes the block and cleat sizes prevent this, but I remember my Dad favoring a larger-sized mainsheet on the other boat many years ago, just for "hand." It wasn't needed for strength or stretch, just to make life for pleasant for the sailor. I joined a local group for a nighttime bike ride around our town last week. We are having atypical weather (warm, rain, no snow). On the day of the proposed ride it was 45° and raining until about an hour before the start. Then the rain stopped and we had this wonderful slow ride through town, riders ranging in age over about 6 decades, lights flashing and making car drivers nervous. I told the organizer that I was going to show up anyway because I'm a sailor, and for us, wet and cold is fun. But let's face it, warm and dry can be more fun. Same with other things on the boat--if you can get some comfort without major penalties, why not?? (That's why my winter bike has fenders). Chris Campbell

David- My experience has been much the same. As crew I've always been treated great, including excellent food and drink. On top of that, I've gotten to sail, race and learn. Pretty good deal being crew. I also learned real quick after I got my boat how big a difference it is between crew and skipper. When something goes wrong (imagine that on a sailboat), all eyes fall on the skipper to figure out how to fix it, explain it in a way the people on board understand to address the problem quickly. I was only joking earlier. Happy Holidays to you all, and to all a good old boat night. I'm hoping Santa brings me a new roller furler Genoa. Mike Casillo Invincible Summer, Cal 2-25 > On Dec 23, 2015, at 8:06 PM, david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Mike, > The guys I crewed for always made sure the crew was cared for. On distance races we always had hot food, and it was good., The captain was the cook! Been many years since I sailed with them, but we're still fast friends. > David Dobbs CAL29 411 > > > > On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 4:43 PM, "Mike's Yahoo mi… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Crew today, so ungrateful when flogged, even when they deserve it. > > Mike Casillo > Invincible Summer, Cal 2-25 > > > >> On Dec 23, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> Charlie, my bad...it's a 7/16" Sta-set line, so, she won't sink ye boat. As far as the grousing crew, I wouldn't get rid of them as a first step (good rum for a proper Shanghi-ing ought not be wasted). So I looked up what's proper for a young sea-going crew, that is, I Googled it. This is what it sez? >> >> [...] midshipmen were ... always open to the caprice of their commanding officers, punishments awarded to them during their apprenticeship, such as mast-heading, disrating, being turned before the mast, being flogged, and in fact being turned out of the service altogether, all of which are severe punishments; still I am of the opinion, they are ultimately for advantage to the individual, and equally for the benefit of the naval service of the country. >> Youth often runs wild and riotous, and requires a tight hand to keep it within bounds. On board the Mediator, all these punishments were inflicted at various times; and one morning after breakfast, while at anchor in St John's Road, Antigua, all the midshipmen were sent for into the Captain's cabin, and four of us were tied up one after the other to the breech of one of the guns, and flogged upon our bare bottoms with a cat-o'-nine-tails, by the boatswain of the ship; some received six lashes, some seven, and myself three. No doubt we all deserved it, and were thankful that we were punished in the cabin instead of upon deck, which was not uncommon in other ships of the fleet. >> [Jeffrey Baron de Raigersfeld, The Life of a Sea Officer, c.1830, reprinted in the "Seafarers' Library", Cassell, London, 1929.] >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:46 PM, "david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Charlie, >> Mine are fuzzy, easy to hold, I think Sampson from Defender, but I bought them a few years ago, so I may be mistaken. As I have said before, I don't keep receipts, don't want to know how much I spend, so I can't actually be sure. But I think they're Sampson. When I crewed on an Erickson 35 we never cleated the jib or spin sheet, even on the 333 mile race to Mackinac Trim, trim, trim. Let it out, pull it back, repeat ad infinitum. I was never yelled at, so I must have been doing it right. Was sometimes asked to move the car. I gave that up but the boat is still getting silver, maybe because I'm gone! >> >> David Dobbs CAL29 411 >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:13 PM, "'sailor7312 .' sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Charlie, >> I have dragged line through sand to get rid of some of the slickness. >> Doesn't always work, but sometimes helps. >> Just wash thoroughly afterwords if you try that. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> Many times, Mike, many times… but these days just showing up to crew is major qualifying factor. Teams ain’t what teams used to be. >> >> Jerry, that 9/16” just might sink my boat. You could sell it to the Queen Mary Hotel to use as a hawser. >> >> Chris, most of my boat is set up for 3/8” line (blocks and all). Some folks in the CALs are even using 5/16”. >> >> Jim, I agree on the stretch and wetness. I do have New England Flight Line (non-absorbent polypropylene) for light air sheets. >> >> There used to be line available with fuzzier cladding, but seems to have disappeared (unless someone know a source). >> >> Cheers >> Charlie >> CAL 25 - Chicken Little >> Annapolis >> >> >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:30 PM >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib Sheets? >> >> >> >> >> Charlie- >> >> Did you consider replacing the complaining crew instead of the offending slippery lines 😆 >> >> Mike Casillo >> >> Invincible Summer, Cal 2-25 >> >> >> >> On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> Charlie, wanna trade your sheets for my 60 plus feet of 9/16" Sta-set?. Only slightly weathered and worn, as I store it inside my mains'l canvas, and wash it periodically. I'm looking for something lighter that sides thru the blocks faster in tacks, and doesn't get heavy and draggy when wet. >> I had some single weave polyester 3/8" that went thru the blocks real fast, but it got snagged and torn on the rigging right after I bought it, and I returned it to West Marine for credit. >> Jerry of ye olde Shpritz Cal 24. >> >> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:04 AM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/22/2015 9:58 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: >> Might be the wrong time to ask questions (given the holiday season), but >> here it is. >> >> I've been getting some grousing from my racing crew about the jib sheets >> I've been using on my CAL 25. I've been using Samson XLS 3/8" for the >> reasonably low stretch. Complaint is that the line is slick on the winch, >> and kind of stiffens in cold weather (we race all winter in Annapolis). >> Would like to avoid re-knurling the winches. Also, stretch is not so >> critical, since I keep a watch-below trimmer on the working sheet at all >> times. Would like to get a better "hand" on the sheets. >> >> Can't you just over-size the sheets (more friction on the winches)? Sometimes the block and cleat sizes prevent this, but I remember my Dad favoring a larger-sized mainsheet on the other boat many years ago, just for "hand." It wasn't needed for strength or stretch, just to make life for pleasant for the sailor. >> >> I joined a local group for a nighttime bike ride around our town last week. We are having atypical weather (warm, rain, no snow). On the day of the proposed ride it was 45° and raining until about an hour before the start. Then the rain stopped and we had this wonderful slow ride through town, riders ranging in age over about 6 decades, lights flashing and making car drivers nervous. I told the organizer that I was going to show up anyway because I'm a sailor, and for us, wet and cold is fun. But let's face it, warm and dry can be more fun. Same with other things on the boat--if you can get some comfort without major penalties, why not?? (That's why my winter bike has fenders). >> >> Chris Campbell > > > >

Mike, You are right about the difference between being crew and skipper. Huge difference. I had one of those experiences a couple of years ago. I passed the test. David CAL29 411 On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 7:31 PM, "Mike's Yahoo mi… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: David- My experience has been much the same. As crew I've always been treated great, including excellent food and drink. On top of that, I've gotten to sail, race and learn. Pretty good deal being crew. I also learned real quick after I got my boat how big a difference it is between crew and skipper. When something goes wrong (imagine that on a sailboat), all eyes fall on the skipper to figure out how to fix it, explain it in a way the people on board understand to address the problem quickly. I was only joking earlier. Happy Holidays to you all, and to all a good old boat night. I'm hoping Santa brings me a new roller furler Genoa. Mike CasilloInvincible Summer, Cal 2-25 On Dec 23, 2015, at 8:06 PM, david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Mike, The guys I crewed for always made sure the crew was cared for. On distance races we always had hot food, and it was good., The captain was the cook! Been many years since I sailed with them, but we're still fast friends.David Dobbs CAL29 411 On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 4:43 PM, "Mike's Yahoo mi… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Crew today, so ungrateful when flogged, even when they deserve it. Mike CasilloInvincible Summer, Cal 2-25 On Dec 23, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Charlie, my bad...it's a 7/16" Sta-set line, so, she won't sink ye boat. As far as the grousing crew, I wouldn't get rid of them as a first step (good rum for a proper Shanghi-ing ought not be wasted). So I looked up what's proper for a young sea-going crew, that is, I Googled it. This is what it sez? [...] midshipmen were ... always open to the caprice of their commanding officers, punishments awarded to them during their apprenticeship, such as mast-heading, disrating, being turned before the mast, being flogged, and in fact being turned out of the service altogether, all of which are severe punishments; still I am of the opinion, they are ultimately for advantage to the individual, and equally for the benefit of the naval service of the country.Youth often runs wild and riotous, and requires a tight hand to keep it within bounds. On board the Mediator, all these punishments were inflicted at various times; and one morning after breakfast, while at anchor in St John's Road, Antigua, all the midshipmen were sent for into the Captain's cabin, and four of us were tied up one after the other to the breech of one of the guns, and flogged upon our bare bottoms with a cat-o'-nine-tails, by the boatswain of the ship; some received six lashes, some seven, and myself three. No doubt we all deserved it, and were thankful that we were punished in the cabin instead of upon deck, which was not uncommon in other ships of the fleet. [Jeffrey Baron de Raigersfeld, The Life of a Sea Officer, c.1830, reprinted in the "Seafarers' Library", Cassell, London, 1929.] On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:46 PM, "david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Charlie,Mine are fuzzy, easy to hold, I think Sampson from Defender, but I bought them a few years ago, so I may be mistaken. As I have said before, I don't keep receipts, don't want to know how much I spend, so I can't actually be sure. But I think they're Sampson. When I crewed on an Erickson 35 we never cleated the jib or spin sheet, even on the 333 mile race to Mackinac Trim, trim, trim. Let it out, pull it back, repeat ad infinitum. I was never yelled at, so I must have been doing it right. Was sometimes asked to move the car. I gave that up but the boat is still getting silver, maybe because I'm gone! David Dobbs CAL29 411 On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:13 PM, "'sailor7312 .' sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Charlie, I have dragged line through sand to get rid of some of the slickness. Doesn't always work, but sometimes helps. Just wash thoroughly afterwords if you try that. On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Many times, Mike, many times… but these days just showing up to crew is major qualifying factor. Teams ain’t what teams used to be. Jerry, that 9/16” just might sink my boat. You could sell it to the Queen Mary Hotel to use as a hawser. Chris, most of my boat is set up for 3/8” line (blocks and all). Some folks in the CALs are even using 5/16”. Jim, I agree on the stretch and wetness. I do have New England Flight Line (non-absorbent polypropylene) for light air sheets. There used to be line available with fuzzier cladding, but seems to have disappeared (unless someone know a source). CheersCharlieCAL 25 - Chicken LittleAnnapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:30 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Jib Sheets? Charlie- Did you consider replacing the complaining crew instead of the offending slippery lines 😆 Mike Casillo Invincible Summer, Cal 2-25 On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Charlie, wanna trade your sheets for my 60 plus feet of 9/16" Sta-set?. Only slightly weathered and worn, as I store it inside my mains'l canvas, and wash it periodically. I'm looking for something lighter that sides thru the blocks faster in tacks, and doesn't get heavy and draggy when wet.I had some single weave polyester 3/8" that went thru the blocks real fast, but it got snagged and torn on the rigging right after I bought it, and I returned it to West Marine for credit. Jerry of ye olde Shpritz Cal 24. On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 9:04 AM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 12/22/2015 9:58 PM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: Might be the wrong time to ask questions (given the holiday season), buthere it is. I've been getting some grousing from my racing crew about the jib sheetsI've been using on my CAL 25. I've been using Samson XLS 3/8" for thereasonably low stretch. Complaint is that the line is slick on the winch,and kind of stiffens in cold weather (we race all winter in Annapolis).Would like to avoid re-knurling the winches. Also, stretch is not socritical, since I keep a watch-below trimmer on the working sheet at alltimes. Would like to get a better "hand" on the sheets. Can't you just over-size the sheets (more friction on the winches)? Sometimes the block and cleat sizes prevent this, but I remember my Dad favoring a larger-sized mainsheet on the other boat many years ago, just for "hand." It wasn't needed for strength or stretch, just to make life for pleasant for the sailor. I joined a local group for a nighttime bike ride around our town last week. We are having atypical weather (warm, rain, no snow). On the day of the proposed ride it was 45° and raining until about an hour before the start. Then the rain stopped and we had this wonderful slow ride through town, riders ranging in age over about 6 decades, lights flashing and making car drivers nervous. I told the organizer that I was going to show up anyway because I'm a sailor, and for us, wet and cold is fun. But let's face it, warm and dry can be more fun. Same with other things on the boat--if you can get some comfort without major penalties, why not?? (That's why my winter bike has fenders). Chris Campbell