Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 with Outboards [1 Attachment]

Jim,I have to ask about your comment about the Out Board not as effective in a heavy sea as an A4. It is lack of power or cavatation? Randy Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3 From: "Jim Englert sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: 03/31/2016 7:42 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, jo… [at] yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 with Outboards [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Jim Englert included below] One other picture. Sorry I don't have more detailed. I do love the outboard. Once it is pulled up , the boat sails like a dream. No turbulence felt on the rudder from the prop and shaft that aren't there. I also found that the boat floated higher in the back end w the inboard removed and the outboard hanging off the transom. Good luck. If you are not afraid of taking a sawzaw to your transom and doing some glass work, you won't regret it. The outboard I used has the extra long shaft(25" I think). It seldom cavitates even when under sail On Mar 31, 2016, at 10:34 PM, Joseph Schoepp jo… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Jim, Thanks, that helps a lot! I'm just using mine for cruising down the ICW in Florida and the keys, so it should be good. I'm a little less worried about doing it now. Thanks again for the info. JoeCal 29 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android I will add that I did not want to do an external bracket, because it puts a lot of weight off the end of the transom and by having it hung off the transom itself, the Yamaha 9.9 high thrust w the tiller works very well. The throttle and shift are easy to reach a the engine tiller in the up position. I cut my transom to the desired height. I found the plywood that was factory installed was not adequate to support the engine to my liking, so I then cut the tray out where the water drains out of the cockpit, installed a thicker piece of plywood, reglassed the tray and everything has worked well. I had an old cal 29 brochure which showed the option in a line drawing profile and took it from there. I love my outboard, but you have to realize it will not push through a heavy sea like an atomic 4 inboard. The Yamaha high thrust gives about the same backing power as an atomic 4 w a folding prop that is clean. I do a little over 6 knots under power wide open flat water and usually do about 5.5 Hope this helps a bit On Mar 31, 2016, at 7:44 PM, saylorran sa… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Does anyone have an original Cal 29 that came with an outboard? RandyCal 2 29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3

the answer to that is probably yes. Lack of power and cavitation will come in to play probably at the same time. Even w the deep 25" shaft, in a heavy sea way, with it hanging off the back, it can catch some air. I have not personally experienced the limits of what the engine can push, just sharing what I believe. I love my outboard on my 29, but I fully believe that if shit hits the fan, I will be sailing not powering. A cal 29 w a double reefed main can take a hell of a lot of wind. On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 2:17 PM, saylorran sa… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Jim, > I have to ask about your comment about the Out Board not as effective in a > heavy sea as an A4. > > It is lack of power or cavatation? > > Randy > > > > Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3 > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Jim Englert sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Date: 03/31/2016 7:42 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, jo… [at] yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 with Outboards [1 Attachment] > > > > One other picture. Sorry I don't have more detailed. > I do love the outboard. Once it is pulled up , the boat sails like a > dream. No turbulence felt on the rudder from the prop and shaft that > aren't there. I also found that the boat floated higher in the back end w > the inboard removed and the outboard hanging off the transom. Good > luck. If you are not afraid of taking a sawzaw to your transom and doing > some glass work, you won't regret it. The outboard I used has the extra > long shaft(25" I think). It seldom cavitates even when under sail > > [image: image1.JPG] > > > On Mar 31, 2016, at 10:34 PM, Joseph Schoepp jo… [at] yahoo.com > [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Jim, > > Thanks, that helps a lot! I'm just using mine for cruising down the ICW in > Florida and the keys, so it should be good. I'm a little less worried > about doing it now. Thanks again for the info. > > Joe > Cal 29 > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > > > > I will add that I did not want to do an external bracket, because it puts > a lot of weight off the end of the transom and by having it hung off the > transom itself, the Yamaha 9.9 high thrust w the tiller works very well. > The throttle and shift are easy to reach a the engine tiller in the up > position. > > I cut my transom to the desired height. I found the plywood that was > factory installed was not adequate to support the engine to my liking, so I > then cut the tray out where the water drains out of the cockpit, installed > a thicker piece of plywood, reglassed the tray and everything has worked > well. > > I had an old cal 29 brochure which showed the option in a line drawing > profile and took it from there. I love my outboard, but you have to > realize it will not push through a heavy sea like an atomic 4 inboard. > The Yamaha high thrust gives about the same backing power as an atomic 4 w > a folding prop that is clean. I do a little over 6 knots under power wide > open flat water and usually do about 5.5 > > Hope this helps a bit > > > On Mar 31, 2016, at 7:44 PM, saylorran sa… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Does anyone have an original Cal 29 that came with an outboard? > > Randy > Cal 2 29 > Out Patient > Channel Islands Ca > > > > Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3 > >

I would also add that the A4 is around 30hp so even after subtracting a bit for lost hp, you have at least twice the raw power of a 9.9hp outboard. If you decide to not cut the boat and need a heavy duty, tubular, stainless steel, adjustable outboard mount, I have one for sale for $100. It will easily handle up to a 15hp motor. Pete > On Apr 5, 2016, at 3:27 PM, 'sailor7312 .' sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > the answer to that is probably yes. Lack of power and cavitation will come in to play probably at the same time. > > Even w the deep 25" shaft, in a heavy sea way, with it hanging off the back, it can catch some air. > I have not personally experienced the limits of what the engine can push, just sharing what I believe. > > I love my outboard on my 29, but I fully believe that if shit hits the fan, I will be sailing not powering. > A cal 29 w a double reefed main can take a hell of a lot of wind. > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 2:17 PM, saylorran sa… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> Jim, >> I have to ask about your comment about the Out Board not as effective in a heavy sea as an A4. >> >> It is lack of power or cavatation? >> >> Randy >> >> >> >> Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3 >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "Jim Englert sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> Date: 03/31/2016 7:42 PM (GMT-08:00) >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, jo… [at] yahoo.com >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 29 with Outboards [1 Attachment] >> >> >> One other picture. Sorry I don't have more detailed. >> I do love the outboard. Once it is pulled up , the boat sails like a dream. No turbulence felt on the rudder from the prop and shaft that aren't there. I also found that the boat floated higher in the back end w the inboard removed and the outboard hanging off the transom. Good luck. If you are not afraid of taking a sawzaw to your transom and doing some glass work, you won't regret it. The outboard I used has the extra long shaft(25" I think). It seldom cavitates even when under sail >> >> <image1.JPG> >> >> >>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 10:34 PM, Joseph Schoepp jo… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Jim, >>> >>> >>> Thanks, that helps a lot! I'm just using mine for cruising down the ICW in Florida and the keys, so it should be good. I'm a little less worried about doing it now. Thanks again for the info. >>> >>> Joe >>> Cal 29 >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> >>> >>> I will add that I did not want to do an external bracket, because it puts a lot of weight off the end of the transom and by having it hung off the transom itself, the Yamaha 9.9 high thrust w the tiller works very well. The throttle and shift are easy to reach a the engine tiller in the up position. >>> >>> I cut my transom to the desired height. I found the plywood that was factory installed was not adequate to support the engine to my liking, so I then cut the tray out where the water drains out of the cockpit, installed a thicker piece of plywood, reglassed the tray and everything has worked well. >>> >>> I had an old cal 29 brochure which showed the option in a line drawing profile and took it from there. I love my outboard, but you have to realize it will not push through a heavy sea like an atomic 4 inboard. The Yamaha high thrust gives about the same backing power as an atomic 4 w a folding prop that is clean. I do a little over 6 knots under power wide open flat water and usually do about 5.5 >>> >>> Hope this helps a bit >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 7:44 PM, saylorran sa… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Does anyone have an original Cal 29 that came with an outboard? >>>> >>>> Randy >>>> Cal 2 29 >>>> Out Patient >>>> Channel Islands Ca >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3 > >

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