Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 30 Holding Tank

The US MSD law went into effect in 1977, was not widely enforced until 1980. I thought Canada was actually MORE strict than the USA? Well ,maybe only on the Great Lakes and Lake Champlain? Those bladder tanks may not need a vent to allow for expansion and emptying, but poop, when in an unventilated tank tends to grow stinky bacteria, with a good source of fresh air the bacteria that develops tends to break down the poop without odor, don't let Peggy Hall hear you say holding tanks (even bladder tanks) don't need a vent! Peggy Hall is THE expert on holding Tank technology, and used to post often on this list. Adding a proper vent to the bladder tank that we had on out old CAL 21 reduced the stick emitted from the tank. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II (no "official" MSD aboard) previous boat, "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:19:49 +0000 (UTC) "Kris Jensen cr… [at] att.net [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: Good Gravy people, it's only been a Federal requirement like since 1976! Where are all these boats with no MSD coming from? Canada? Manufacturers couldn't sell them in the US without one after the law came into effect. My 1973 Cal and my 1978 boat had them from the factory. Some "unscrupulous" manufacturers may have sold the boat without a head (leaving it to the owner to install) in order to get around the rule. But really? Non-compliant for 40 years? Wow... Simplest way to get compliant is a Y-valve (lockable) and a tiny hard tank or a bladder tank. My 1978 boat had a Y-valve ahead of the tank and the tank was as clean and fresh as the day it was installed right up until I pulled it in 2006. Never once had that Y-valve ever been moved to the "Tank" position. I replaced it with a Vetus 15 gallon bladder. Hung it up in the back of the head sink cabinet from some eye-nuts screwed onto the end of a couple of the toe-rail bolts. Laid right up against the hull side out of the way. Add a deck suction fitting to the tank or if using a bladder, just put a T in the line between the Y and the bladder. They suck just fine through the same fitting they fill from. Vents are semi-optional on bladders since they expand and contract with the contents. I like the bladder on smaller boats with limited occasional use since they take up almost no space when empty but still have adequate capacity for a weekend in that pristine cove. The rule-beater tanks are only about 6 gallons and depending on your head and penchant for pumping, won't give you a lot of flushes. Over 30 feet or so, it's not too hard to find room for a 20-35 gallon tank. If you have a production boat (that remained in production after 1975) somewhere there is a manufactured tank that was installed in your model boat by the factory. You just need to do a bit of research to find where to get one and where it goes. Kris Owner of the Worlds Largest Installed Holding Tank in a Cal Sailboat (see I can have a superlative like Gerry does...) From: "Joseph Schoepp jo… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 30 Holding Tank I have a 29 and it had the same setup of direct discharge when I got it. Before going to my final setup I purchased an msd porta potty, which if your just doing occasional sailing with low use, will at least make you legal. You can hook it up to a deck pump out fitting or leave it as a normal porta potty. However we are about to do full time cruising, so I needed another solution. I measured and tried all different areas before I decided on a composting toilet. The areas I considered, and they may work for you, are putting a tank in the locker area behind the head, saw it on someone's website, but my ac unit is already there. The next spot was to move the freshwater tank from under the vbirth and put the holding tank there. Someone also mentioned to me putting the tank a under the vbirth forward of the freshwater tank, but I believe it needed to be a custom tank. After figuring on all costs (tank, hoses, deck fitting, etc) I decided it was just more cost effective for me to use a composting head. Hope that helps some. Joe Cal 29 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android We have a Cal 30 (the first one not the -2 or ..) and have to install a holding tank and sanitary system. Just has a pipe to the thru-hull, which is probably original. Has anyone done it? I cannot seem to find a place to put a holding tank, because under the V-berth is all triangular. Still looking at plasticwatertanks.com, but... I asked about a custom tank ($1000). We cannot get insurance or park at most marinas or go to Catalina until we have a holding tank. Any ideas? Ashley Madison Life is Short - Have an Affair. Affairs now Guaranteed http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/572149cda59f49cc0d08st03duc