Cutlass Bearing on a 1986 Cal 33-2. Does anyone know the specs or any tips on replacement?

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Yes, I do. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>*phone & fax (860) 666-2184* On 5/19/16 12:30 PM, js… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > Write a message...** > > -- **

Well that was fast. My current haul out went from "quick bottom job", to "just for fun, so I can do some future planning, can you guys give me an estimate on removing the old dead Farymann?", to "rust ball is out!" within 72 hours. I had fantasies about doing it myself, but after a couple hours in the lazarette with PB blaster and cheap wrenches I accepted that a boat buck was worth it to have them just sawzall the damn thing out and be done with it. The boat had a 15hp on the transom when I bought it and I'll continue using it that way for the time being, but I do have ideas about repowering in the future if my still-early courtship period with this boat continues going well (i.e. will this be "the one" for enough years, and provide enough fun over enough motored sea miles, to make it worth the cost). Whatever I do, it will be as DIY and frugal as possible without being slipshod. Initial thought is to wait for a boat-show deal on a new Beta 13, then quick yard haul for new bearings & packing and have the yard drop it on the beds (already modified by me if needed), then do all the systems installations & hookups myself with a final sanity check and alignment by a pro before turning the key. So, I'm curious to know what inboards people have in their 2-27's, if they're replaced a factory Farymann and with what, etc. Any war stories? Anyone want to convince me to go with a well-rebuilt Atomic 4 instead, or a "good" used diesel (and why, if it's "good", is it not still in its boat...)? The existing beds are about 16" apart on the centers but I haven't taken complete engine room dimensions yet. If I re-power, it will most likely be in the service of big cruising plans where I'd like reliable motoring range, so electric is out (much as I love the idea). -Adam1975 Cal 2-27 #93Brisbane, CA

In case anyone is thinking "are you sure the Farymann wasn't salvageable?", pics attached. From: Adam <as… [at] yahoo.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 9:54 AM Subject: 2-27 repower options Well that was fast. My current haul out went from "quick bottom job", to "just for fun, so I can do some future planning, can you guys give me an estimate on removing the old dead Farymann?", to "rust ball is out!" within 72 hours. I had fantasies about doing it myself, but after a couple hours in the lazarette with PB blaster and cheap wrenches I accepted that a boat buck was worth it to have them just sawzall the damn thing out and be done with it. The boat had a 15hp on the transom when I bought it and I'll continue using it that way for the time being, but I do have ideas about repowering in the future if my still-early courtship period with this boat continues going well (i.e. will this be "the one" for enough years, and provide enough fun over enough motored sea miles, to make it worth the cost). Whatever I do, it will be as DIY and frugal as possible without being slipshod. Initial thought is to wait for a boat-show deal on a new Beta 13, then quick yard haul for new bearings & packing and have the yard drop it on the beds (already modified by me if needed), then do all the systems installations & hookups myself with a final sanity check and alignment by a pro before turning the key. So, I'm curious to know what inboards people have in their 2-27's, if they're replaced a factory Farymann and with what, etc. Any war stories? Anyone want to convince me to go with a well-rebuilt Atomic 4 instead, or a "good" used diesel (and why, if it's "good", is it not still in its boat...)? The existing beds are about 16" apart on the centers but I haven't taken complete engine room dimensions yet. If I re-power, it will most likely be in the service of big cruising plans where I'd like reliable motoring range, so electric is out (much as I love the idea). -Adam1975 Cal 2-27 #93Brisbane, CA

The previous owner of our boat went the electric repower route. I rather like it. Our solar system and the Honda 2000 generator give us all the endurance needed. Alex Cal 2-27 San Francisco > On May 20, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Well that was fast. My current haul out went from "quick bottom job", to "just for fun, so I can do some future planning, can you guys give me an estimate on removing the old dead Farymann?", to "rust ball is out!" within 72 hours. I had fantasies about doing it myself, but after a couple hours in the lazarette with PB blaster and cheap wrenches I accepted that a boat buck was worth it to have them just sawzall the damn thing out and be done with it. > > The boat had a 15hp on the transom when I bought it and I'll continue using it that way for the time being, but I do have ideas about repowering in the future if my still-early courtship period with this boat continues going well (i.e. will this be "the one" for enough years, and provide enough fun over enough motored sea miles, to make it worth the cost). Whatever I do, it will be as DIY and frugal as possible without being slipshod. Initial thought is to wait for a boat-show deal on a new Beta 13, then quick yard haul for new bearings & packing and have the yard drop it on the beds (already modified by me if needed), then do all the systems installations & hookups myself with a final sanity check and alignment by a pro before turning the key. > > So, I'm curious to know what inboards people have in their 2-27's, if they're replaced a factory Farymann and with what, etc. Any war stories? Anyone want to convince me to go with a well-rebuilt Atomic 4 instead, or a "good" used diesel (and why, if it's "good", is it not still in its boat...)? > The existing beds are about 16" apart on the centers but I haven't taken complete engine room dimensions yet. > If I re-power, it will most likely be in the service of big cruising plans where I'd like reliable motoring range, so electric is out (much as I love the idea). > > -Adam > 1975 Cal 2-27 #93 > Brisbane, CA >

Having a non marine gasoline generator running on your boat is a VERY FOOLHARDY and DANGEROUS thing to do. Your genset is not US Coast Guard approved for use on a boat. Should a fire or explosion occur, you will be the subject of a Coast Guard investigation, where you will be found at fault. This means that any persons suffering the physical consequences of your actions will win a court judgement against your assets. Also, your boat insurance company will rightfully deny any claim. I have not even mentioned the CO emissions issue, which is DEADLY under certain circumstances. I'm sure the company that sold you the electric drive never intended that you employ a Honda generator aboard your boat. Why oh why would any intelligent boat owner or skipper risk life and limb to save a few bucks? Bottom line - Installing a USCG approved marine generator is MUCH CHEAPER than a funeral. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>*phone & fax (860) 666-2184* On 5/20/16 1:07 PM, Alexander Donoghue al… [at] icloud.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > The previous owner of our boat went the electric repower route. I > rather like it. Our solar system and the Honda 2000 generator give us > all the endurance needed. > > Alex > Cal 2-27 > San Francisco > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 20, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Adam as… [at] yahoo.com > <mailto:as… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > >> Well that was fast. My current haul out went from "quick bottom >> job", to "just for fun, so I can do some future planning, can you >> guys give me an estimate on removing the old dead Farymann?", to >> "rust ball is out!" within 72 hours. I had fantasies about doing it >> myself, but after a couple hours in the lazarette with PB blaster and >> cheap wrenches I accepted that a boat buck was worth it to have them >> just sawzall the damn thing out and be done with it. >> >> The boat had a 15hp on the transom when I bought it and I'll continue >> using it that way for the time being, but I do have ideas about >> repowering in the future if my still-early courtship period with this >> boat continues going well (i.e. will this be "the one" for enough >> years, and provide enough fun over enough motored sea miles, to make >> it worth the cost). Whatever I do, it will be as DIY and frugal as >> possible without being slipshod. Initial thought is to wait for a >> boat-show deal on a new Beta 13, then quick yard haul for new >> bearings & packing and have the yard drop it on the beds (already >> modified by me if needed), then do all the systems installations & >> hookups myself with a final sanity check and alignment by a pro >> before turning the key. >> >> So, I'm curious to know what inboards people have in their 2-27's, if >> they're replaced a factory Farymann and with what, etc. Any war >> stories? Anyone want to convince me to go with a well-rebuilt Atomic >> 4 instead, or a "good" used diesel (and why, if it's "good", is it >> not still in its boat...)? >> The existing beds are about 16" apart on the centers but I haven't >> taken complete engine room dimensions yet. >> If I re-power, it will most likely be in the service of big cruising >> plans where I'd like reliable motoring range, so electric is out >> (much as I love the idea). >> >> -Adam >> 1975 Cal 2-27 #93 >> Brisbane, CA > > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>*phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

Joe, I have heard this concern before about the Honda 2000 generators. I know several that use them, anyway. Personally, I would not consider using one on my boat. However, just curious about the alternatives. Is there a similar model (size, power and portability) marine generator on the market? And at what price? John Raxter 336-210-8073 (m) > On May 20, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Joe DeMers je… [at] mindspring.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Having a non marine gasoline generator running on your boat is a VERY FOOLHARDY and DANGEROUS thing to do. > > Your genset is not US Coast Guard approved for use on a boat. Should a fire or explosion occur, you will be the subject of a Coast Guard investigation, where you will be found at fault. This means that any persons suffering the physical consequences > of your actions will win a court judgement against your assets. Also, your boat insurance company will rightfully deny any claim. > > I have not even mentioned the CO emissions issue, which is DEADLY under certain circumstances. > > I'm sure the company that sold you the electric drive never intended that you employ a Honda generator aboard your boat. > > Why oh why would any intelligent boat owner or skipper risk life and limb to save a few bucks? > > Bottom line - > > Installing a USCG approved marine generator is MUCH CHEAPER than a funeral. > Joe DeMers - owner > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184 > > >> On 5/20/16 1:07 PM, Alexander Donoghue al… [at] icloud.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: >> The previous owner of our boat went the electric repower route. I rather like it. Our solar system and the Honda 2000 generator give us all the endurance needed. >> >> Alex >> Cal 2-27 >> San Francisco >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On May 20, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Well that was fast. My current haul out went from "quick bottom job", to "just for fun, so I can do some future planning, can you guys give me an estimate on removing the old dead Farymann?", to "rust ball is out!" within 72 hours. I had fantasies about doing it myself, but after a couple hours in the lazarette with PB blaster and cheap wrenches I accepted that a boat buck was worth it to have them just sawzall the damn thing out and be done with it. >>> >>> The boat had a 15hp on the transom when I bought it and I'll continue using it that way for the time being, but I do have ideas about repowering in the future if my still-early courtship period with this boat continues going well (i.e. will this be "the one" for enough years, and provide enough fun over enough motored sea miles, to make it worth the cost). Whatever I do, it will be as DIY and frugal as possible without being slipshod. Initial thought is to wait for a boat-show deal on a new Beta 13, then quick yard haul for new bearings & packing and have the yard drop it on the beds (already modified by me if needed), then do all the systems installations & hookups myself with a final sanity check and alignment by a pro before turning the key. >>> >>> So, I'm curious to know what inboards people have in their 2-27's, if they're replaced a factory Farymann and with what, etc. Any war stories? Anyone want to convince me to go with a well-rebuilt Atomic 4 instead, or a "good" used diesel (and why, if it's "good", is it not still in its boat...)? >>> The existing beds are about 16" apart on the centers but I haven't taken complete engine room dimensions yet. >>> If I re-power, it will most likely be in the service of big cruising plans where I'd like reliable motoring range, so electric is out (much as I love the idea). >>> >>> -Adam >>> 1975 Cal 2-27 #93 >>> Brisbane, CA > > -- > Joe DeMers - owner > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.comphone & fax (860) 666-2184 >

The Beta 14 is available with "Farymann" mount brackets, making the new engine a direct replacement for the old A30M engine. This saves A LOT of time, $ and hassle. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>*phone & fax (860) 666-2184 * On 5/20/16 12:54 PM, Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > Well that was fast. My current haul out went from "quick bottom job", > to "just for fun, so I can do some future planning, can you guys give > me an estimate on removing the old dead Farymann?", to "rust ball is > out!" within 72 hours. I had fantasies about doing it myself, but > after a couple hours in the lazarette with PB blaster and cheap > wrenches I accepted that a boat buck was worth it to have them just > sawzall the damn thing out and be done with it. > > The boat had a 15hp on the transom when I bought it and I'll continue > using it that way for the time being, but I do have ideas about > repowering in the future if my still-early courtship period with this > boat continues going well (i.e. will this be "the one" for enough > years, and provide enough fun over enough motored sea miles, to make > it worth the cost). Whatever I do, it will be as DIY and frugal as > possible without being slipshod. Initial thought is to wait for a > boat-show deal on a new Beta 13, then quick yard haul for new bearings > & packing and have the yard drop it on the beds (already modified by > me if needed), then do all the systems installations & hookups myself > with a final sanity check and alignment by a pro before turning the key. > > So, I'm curious to know what inboards people have in their 2-27's, if > they're replaced a factory Farymann and with what, etc. Any war > stories? Anyone want to convince me to go with a well-rebuilt Atomic > 4 instead, or a "good" used diesel (and why, if it's "good", is it not > still in its boat...)? > The existing beds are about 16" apart on the centers but I haven't > taken complete engine room dimensions yet. > If I re-power, it will most likely be in the service of big cruising > plans where I'd like reliable motoring range, so electric is out (much > as I love the idea). > > -Adam > 1975 Cal 2-27 #93 > Brisbane, CA > > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>*phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

On 5/20/16 4:09 PM, Jraxter jr… [at] triad.rr.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > Joe, > > I have heard this concern before about the Honda 2000 generators. I > know several that use them, anyway. ******* Yes, and I know people that drive on the highway without a seatbelt. Both activities are highly dangerous. > Personally, I would not consider using one on my boat. > > However, just curious about the alternatives. Is there a similar model > (size, power and portability) marine generator on the market? And at > what price? > > John Raxter > 336-210-8073 (m) > ******** Any marine generator must be permanently installed. The > smallest AC [ as opposed to DC generators, that can only charge > batteries] diesel unit we sell is referred to as "portable shore > power" and produces 3.5 KW [or 3500 watts] output. That is 30 amps at > 120 volts AC electrical power. > It will power whatever can be powered by a 30 amp shore power cord. > Cost is $5469. We also sell a 4KW diesel generator for $4698. > There may be smaller, less expensive marine units on the market that > we are unaware of. Demand for those type units is quite small, in our > experience. Joe DeMers > > On May 20, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Joe DeMers je… [at] mindspring.com > <mailto:je… [at] mindspring.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > >> Having a non marine gasoline generator running on your boat is a VERY >> FOOLHARDY and DANGEROUS thing to do. >> >> Your genset is not US Coast Guard approved for use on a boat. Should >> a fire or explosion occur, you will be the subject of a Coast Guard >> investigation, where you will be found at fault. This means that any >> persons suffering the physical consequences >> of your actions will win a court judgement against your assets. Also, >> your boat insurance company will rightfully deny any claim. >> >> I have not even mentioned the CO emissions issue, which is DEADLY >> under certain circumstances. >> >> I'm sure the company that sold you the electric drive never intended >> that you employ a Honda generator aboard your boat. >> >> Why oh why would any intelligent boat owner or skipper risk life and >> limb to save a few bucks? >> >> Bottom line - >> >> Installing a USCG approved marine generator is MUCH CHEAPER than a >> funeral. >> >> *Joe DeMers - owner* >> >> Sound Marine Diesel LLC >> >> SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>*phone & fax >> (860) 666-2184* >> >> >> On 5/20/16 1:07 PM, Alexander Donoghue al… [at] icloud.com >> [Cal_Boats] wrote: >>> The previous owner of our boat went the electric repower route. I >>> rather like it. Our solar system and the Honda 2000 generator give >>> us all the endurance needed. >>> >>> Alex >>> Cal 2-27 >>> San Francisco >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On May 20, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Adam as… [at] yahoo.com >>> <mailto:as… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>> <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well that was fast. My current haul out went from "quick bottom >>>> job", to "just for fun, so I can do some future planning, can you >>>> guys give me an estimate on removing the old dead Farymann?", to >>>> "rust ball is out!" within 72 hours. I had fantasies about doing >>>> it myself, but after a couple hours in the lazarette with PB >>>> blaster and cheap wrenches I accepted that a boat buck was worth it >>>> to have them just sawzall the damn thing out and be done with it. >>>> >>>> The boat had a 15hp on the transom when I bought it and I'll >>>> continue using it that way for the time being, but I do have ideas >>>> about repowering in the future if my still-early courtship period >>>> with this boat continues going well (i.e. will this be "the one" >>>> for enough years, and provide enough fun over enough motored sea >>>> miles, to make it worth the cost). Whatever I do, it will be as DIY >>>> and frugal as possible without being slipshod. Initial thought is >>>> to wait for a boat-show deal on a new Beta 13, then quick yard haul >>>> for new bearings & packing and have the yard drop it on the beds >>>> (already modified by me if needed), then do all the systems >>>> installations & hookups myself with a final sanity check and >>>> alignment by a pro before turning the key. >>>> >>>> So, I'm curious to know what inboards people have in their 2-27's, >>>> if they're replaced a factory Farymann and with what, etc. Any >>>> war stories? Anyone want to convince me to go with a well-rebuilt >>>> Atomic 4 instead, or a "good" used diesel (and why, if it's "good", >>>> is it not still in its boat...)? >>>> The existing beds are about 16" apart on the centers but I haven't >>>> taken complete engine room dimensions yet. >>>> If I re-power, it will most likely be in the service of big >>>> cruising plans where I'd like reliable motoring range, so electric >>>> is out (much as I love the idea). >>>> >>>> -Adam >>>> 1975 Cal 2-27 #93 >>>> Brisbane, CA >> >> -- >> >> *Joe DeMers - owner* >> >> Sound Marine Diesel LLC >> >> SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>*phone & fax >> (860) 666-2184* > > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>*phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

I think it should be noted that mounting brackets for both Beta and Yanmar (close in costs in Southern California) are really nothing more that L-brackets that mount the engine to the engine bed stringers. I learned this the hard way a few years ago when repowering our 2-29. I couldn't get a simple straight answer that mounting brackets were merely thick L-brackets bolted to the engine that could more easily be replaced with a set a couple of inches longer at the stringers, so ended copying others that had added material to their stringers to meet the mounting footprint shown in specs for both engines. Being DIYers and wanting to be prepared for when the engine arrived (and we hadn't decided on which engine at this point) we opted for our best research, which was adding to the stringers. We could have saved a lot of time and effort had we only known in advance that there is nothing special about "engine mounts". We knew Beta offered "Farymann" mounts, but not that they were just properly/pre-measured L-bracket mounts. Because the cost between the two engine brands were within a couple of hundred bucks locally we decided to go with the Yanmar rather than the Beta. Our dock neighbor went the opposite in repowering his Catalina 30. If interested you can see some pics of our repower here --> http://summerwindsailing.com/category/boat/mechanical/ http://summerwindsailing.com/category/boat/mechanical/

The engine might be junk, but someone may want that transmission. We junked both engine and trans before thinking that part all the way through...

we have a 2-27 diesel ..universal 5411...2 cyl. 11 hp.. work great it fresh water cooled... On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Well that was fast. My current haul out went from "quick bottom job", to > "just for fun, so I can do some future planning, can you guys give me an > estimate on removing the old dead Farymann?", to "rust ball is out!" within > 72 hours. I had fantasies about doing it myself, but after a couple hours > in the lazarette with PB blaster and cheap wrenches I accepted that a boat > buck was worth it to have them just sawzall the damn thing out and be done > with it. > > The boat had a 15hp on the transom when I bought it and I'll continue > using it that way for the time being, but I do have ideas about repowering > in the future if my still-early courtship period with this boat continues > going well (i.e. will this be "the one" for enough years, and provide > enough fun over enough motored sea miles, to make it worth the cost). > Whatever I do, it will be as DIY and frugal as possible without being > slipshod. Initial thought is to wait for a boat-show deal on a new Beta > 13, then quick yard haul for new bearings & packing and have the yard drop > it on the beds (already modified by me if needed), then do all the systems > installations & hookups myself with a final sanity check and alignment by a > pro before turning the key. > > So, I'm curious to know what inboards people have in their 2-27's, if > they're replaced a factory Farymann and with what, etc. Any war stories? > Anyone want to convince me to go with a well-rebuilt Atomic 4 instead, or a > "good" used diesel (and why, if it's "good", is it not still in its > boat...)? > The existing beds are about 16" apart on the centers but I haven't taken > complete engine room dimensions yet. > If I re-power, it will most likely be in the service of big cruising plans > where I'd like reliable motoring range, so electric is out (much as I love > the idea). > > -Adam > 1975 Cal 2-27 #93 > Brisbane, CA > > >

I have a 1969 Cal 34, Soufflé, here in Portland, Oregon. It came with its original raw water cooled Atomic 4. It ran great and was simple and reliable, though of course there were always some issues with the carburetor and the ignition system, but that is to be expected with gas engines. It was reasonably easy to work on, even for a non-mechanical person such as myself. But, after too many worries about smelling gas and a couple of times off the Washington coast worrying about fuel consumption rates (~1 gallon per hour) in times of very light air and no place near to put in, I bit the bullet and replaced it with a Beta Marine 20. Or course, one thing led to another: we had to remove and replace the fuel tank (it was a bit too small and in any event diesel does not like galvanized metal); the new engine required a new shaft and prop; and the Cal 34 requires a V drive, meaning the engine has to go in backwards, thus requiring a lot of creative re-engineering to make it fit, not to mention a hard to get to impeller. Luckily, I had a great old semi-retired mechanic who allowed me to work with him to both learn and to shave down costs. And, once it was all in and set up, it runs like a top, I have plenty of power, and now I have about 80 hours of motoring range (about half gallon per hour at ~2500 RPM and a 40 gallon tank, no gas worries, and no ignition system to crap out on me at inopportune times. Bottom line: if you can swing it, give some serious thought to an inboard diesel. And, one of the many advantages to the Beta Marine is that it is simply a marinized Kubota. This means: (1) Parts are easy to get. (2) It is relatively easy to work on. (3) If you ever decide to quit sailing and take up farming you can use it in your tractor. P. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 9:19 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; Adam <as… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 2-27 repower options we have a 2-27 diesel ..universal 5411...2 cyl. 11 hp.. work great it fresh water cooled... On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Adam as… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:as… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: Well that was fast. My current haul out went from "quick bottom job", to "just for fun, so I can do some future planning, can you guys give me an estimate on removing the old dead Farymann?", to "rust ball is out!" within 72 hours. I had fantasies about doing it myself, but after a couple hours in the lazarette with PB blaster and cheap wrenches I accepted that a boat buck was worth it to have them just sawzall the damn thing out and be done with it. The boat had a 15hp on the transom when I bought it and I'll continue using it that way for the time being, but I do have ideas about repowering in the future if my still-early courtship period with this boat continues going well (i.e. will this be "the one" for enough years, and provide enough fun over enough motored sea miles, to make it worth the cost). Whatever I do, it will be as DIY and frugal as possible without being slipshod. Initial thought is to wait for a boat-show deal on a new Beta 13, then quick yard haul for new bearings & packing and have the yard drop it on the beds (already modified by me if needed), then do all the systems installations & hookups myself with a final sanity check and alignment by a pro before turning the key. So, I'm curious to know what inboards people have in their 2-27's, if they're replaced a factory Farymann and with what, etc. Any war stories? Anyone want to convince me to go with a well-rebuilt Atomic 4 instead, or a "good" used diesel (and why, if it's "good", is it not still in its boat...)? The existing beds are about 16" apart on the centers but I haven't taken complete engine room dimensions yet. If I re-power, it will most likely be in the service of big cruising plans where I'd like reliable motoring range, so electric is out (much as I love the idea). -Adam 1975 Cal 2-27 #93 Brisbane, CA

I also have a universal 5411 11 hp diesel. After 36 years it’s still running well. I do have a problem getting through heavy seas but that is most likely due to my small folding prop. On my boat the shaft angle and location forced me to shorten the shaft, shorten the cutlass, install a 10” dia folding prop and cut a chunk out of my rudder. John B Cal227 #650 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 12:19 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; Adam Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 2-27 repower options we have a 2-27 diesel ..universal 5411...2 cyl. 11 hp.. work great it fresh water cooled... On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Well that was fast. My current haul out went from "quick bottom job", to "just for fun, so I can do some future planning, can you guys give me an estimate on removing the old dead Farymann?", to "rust ball is out!" within 72 hours. I had fantasies about doing it myself, but after a couple hours in the lazarette with PB blaster and cheap wrenches I accepted that a boat buck was worth it to have them just sawzall the damn thing out and be done with it. The boat had a 15hp on the transom when I bought it and I'll continue using it that way for the time being, but I do have ideas about repowering in the future if my still-early courtship period with this boat continues going well (i.e. will this be "the one" for enough years, and provide enough fun over enough motored sea miles, to make it worth the cost). Whatever I do, it will be as DIY and frugal as possible without being slipshod. Initial thought is to wait for a boat-show deal on a new Beta 13, then quick yard haul for new bearings & packing and have the yard drop it on the beds (already modified by me if needed), then do all the systems installations & hookups myself with a final sanity check and alignment by a pro before turning the key. So, I'm curious to know what inboards people have in their 2-27's, if they're replaced a factory Farymann and with what, etc. Any war stories? Anyone want to convince me to go with a well-rebuilt Atomic 4 instead, or a "good" used diesel (and why, if it's "good", is it not still in its boat...)? The existing beds are about 16" apart on the centers but I haven't taken complete engine room dimensions yet. If I re-power, it will most likely be in the service of big cruising plans where I'd like reliable motoring range, so electric is out (much as I love the idea). -Adam 1975 Cal 2-27 #93 Brisbane, CA

Thanks for all the responses, folks, especially Joe DeMers for pointing out that the Beta has a Farymann "drop in" mounting option. Will probably go that route in the end.John B, curious about the modifications to your boat: sounds like the shaft/cutlass/rudder setup was not factory. All that was done to accommodate the upgrade to a folding prop, I assume? From: "'John Boyce' je… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; 'Edward Stancil' <e.… [at] gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 1:10 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] 2-27 repower options I also have a universal 5411 11 hp diesel. After 36 years it’s still running well. I do have a problem getting through heavy seas but that is most likely due to my small folding prop. On my boat the shaft angle and location forced me to shorten the shaft, shorten the cutlass, install a 10” dia folding prop and cut a chunk out of my rudder. John BCal227 #650 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 12:19 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; Adam Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 2-27 repower options we have a 2-27 diesel ..universal 5411...2 cyl. 11 hp.. work great it fresh water cooled... On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Well that was fast. My current haul out went from "quick bottom job", to "just for fun, so I can do some future planning, can you guys give me an estimate on removing the old dead Farymann?", to "rust ball is out!" within 72 hours. I had fantasies about doing it myself, but after a couple hours in the lazarette with PB blaster and cheap wrenches I accepted that a boat buck was worth it to have them just sawzall the damn thing out and be done with it. The boat had a 15hp on the transom when I bought it and I'll continue using it that way for the time being, but I do have ideas about repowering in the future if my still-early courtship period with this boat continues going well (i.e. will this be "the one" for enough years, and provide enough fun over enough motored sea miles, to make it worth the cost). Whatever I do, it will be as DIY and frugal as possible without being slipshod. Initial thought is to wait for a boat-show deal on a new Beta 13, then quick yard haul for new bearings & packing and have the yard drop it on the beds (already modified by me if needed), then do all the systems installations & hookups myself with a final sanity check and alignment by a pro before turning the key. So, I'm curious to know what inboards people have in their 2-27's, if they're replaced a factory Farymann and with what, etc. Any war stories? Anyone want to convince me to go with a well-rebuilt Atomic 4 instead, or a "good" used diesel (and why, if it's "good", is it not still in its boat...)?The existing beds are about 16" apart on the centers but I haven't taken complete engine room dimensions yet.If I re-power, it will most likely be in the service of big cruising plans where I'd like reliable motoring range, so electric is out (much as I love the idea). -Adam1975 Cal 2-27 #93Brisbane, CA -- {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} {margin-bottom:10px;} .yiv4581163151ad {padding:0 0;} .yiv4581163151ad p {margin:0;} .yiv4581163151ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} {font-family:Arial;} {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} .yiv4581163151ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;} {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;} span {font-weight:700;} span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;} span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;} span span {color:#ff7900;} span .yiv4581163151underline {text-decoration:underline;} .yiv4581163151attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;} .yiv4581163151attach div a {text-decoration:none;} .yiv4581163151attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;} .yiv4581163151attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;} .yiv4581163151attach label a {text-decoration:none;} blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;} .yiv4581163151bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;} .yiv4581163151bold a {text-decoration:none;} dd.yiv4581163151last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;} dd.yiv4581163151last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;} dd.yiv4581163151last p span.yiv4581163151yshortcuts {margin-right:0;} div.yiv4581163151attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;} div.yiv4581163151attach-table {width:400px;} div.yiv4581163151file-title a, div.yiv4581163151file-title a:active, div.yiv4581163151file-title a:hover, div.yiv4581163151file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;} div.yiv4581163151photo-title a, div.yiv4581163151photo-title a:active, div.yiv4581163151photo-title a:hover, div.yiv4581163151photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;} div p a span.yiv4581163151yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;} .yiv4581163151green {color:#628c2a;} .yiv4581163151MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;} o {font-size:0;} div {float:left;width:72px;} div div {border:1px solid #666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;} div label {color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;} {font-size:77%;} {font-size:77%;} .yiv4581163151replbq {margin:4px;} div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;} {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} select, input, textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} pre, code {font:115% monospace;} * {line-height:1.22em;} {padding-bottom:10px;} p a {font-family:Verdana;} p span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;} {color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;} {margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;} li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;} li {font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;} ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;} {font-family:Georgia;} p {margin:0 0 1em 0;} tt {font-size:120%;} ul li:last-child {border-right:none !important;}

Adam, Give me a call. Brenda and I repowered Magic, our Cal 2-27 with a BetaMarine BZ482. IMHO you will be extremely pleased with the performance. Michael Duvall 954-531-4538 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Well that was fast. My current haul out went from "quick bottom job", to "just for fun, so I can do some future planning, can you guys give me an estimate on removing the old dead Farymann?", to "rust ball is out!" within 72 hours. I had fantasies about doing it myself, but after a couple hours in the lazarette with PB blaster and cheap wrenches I accepted that a boat buck was worth it to have them just sawzall the damn thing out and be done with it. The boat had a 15hp on the transom when I bought it and I'll continue using it that way for the time being, but I do have ideas about repowering in the future if my still-early courtship period with this boat continues going well (i.e. will this be "the one" for enough years, and provide enough fun over enough motored sea miles, to make it worth the cost). Whatever I do, it will be as DIY and frugal as possible without being slipshod. Initial thought is to wait for a boat-show deal on a new Beta 13, then quick yard haul for new bearings & packing and have the yard drop it on the beds (already modified by me if needed), then do all the systems installations & hookups myself with a final sanity check and alignment by a pro before turning the key. So, I'm curious to know what inboards people have in their 2-27's, if they're replaced a factory Farymann and with what, etc. Any war stories? Anyone want to convince me to go with a well-rebuilt Atomic 4 instead, or a "good" used diesel (and why, if it's "good", is it not still in its boat...)? The existing beds are about 16" apart on the centers but I haven't taken complete engine room dimensions yet. If I re-power, it will most likely be in the service of big cruising plans where I'd like reliable motoring range, so electric is out (much as I love the idea). -Adam1975 Cal 2-27 #93Brisbane, CA

I would be interested in the beta replacement for farymann on my cal 2-29. Any info would be great. Mark A. Stahnke MAS Consulting (310) 832-5992 The information in this electronic mail transmission covered by the electronic communications privacy act (18 USC Sections 2510-2521) is confidential and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient(s) of the transmission. It may therefore be protected from unauthorized use or dissemination by client/attorney work-product privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also asked to notify us immediately by telephone and to delete/destroy the original. ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com ; John Boyce Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 2-27 repower options Thanks for all the responses, folks, especially Joe DeMers for pointing out that the Beta has a Farymann "drop in" mounting option. Will probably go that route in the end. John B, curious about the modifications to your boat: sounds like the shaft/cutlass/rudder setup was not factory. All that was done to accommodate the upgrade to a folding prop, I assume? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "'John Boyce' je… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; 'Edward Stancil' <e.… [at] gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 1:10 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] 2-27 repower options I also have a universal 5411 11 hp diesel. After 36 years it’s still running well. I do have a problem getting through heavy seas but that is most likely due to my small folding prop. On my boat the shaft angle and location forced me to shorten the shaft, shorten the cutlass, install a 10” dia folding prop and cut a chunk out of my rudder. John B Cal227 #650 From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 12:19 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; Adam Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 2-27 repower options we have a 2-27 diesel ..universal 5411...2 cyl. 11 hp.. work great it fresh water cooled... On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Well that was fast. My current haul out went from "quick bottom job", to "just for fun, so I can do some future planning, can you guys give me an estimate on removing the old dead Farymann?", to "rust ball is out!" within 72 hours. I had fantasies about doing it myself, but after a couple hours in the lazarette with PB blaster and cheap wrenches I accepted that a boat buck was worth it to have them just sawzall the damn thing out and be done with it. The boat had a 15hp on the transom when I bought it and I'll continue using it that way for the time being, but I do have ideas about repowering in the future if my still-early courtship period with this boat continues going well (i.e. will this be "the one" for enough years, and provide enough fun over enough motored sea miles, to make it worth the cost). Whatever I do, it will be as DIY and frugal as possible without being slipshod. Initial thought is to wait for a boat-show deal on a new Beta 13, then quick yard haul for new bearings & packing and have the yard drop it on the beds (already modified by me if needed), then do all the systems installations & hookups myself with a final sanity check and alignment by a pro before turning the key. So, I'm curious to know what inboards people have in their 2-27's, if they're replaced a factory Farymann and with what, etc. Any war stories? Anyone want to convince me to go with a well-rebuilt Atomic 4 instead, or a "good" used diesel (and why, if it's "good", is it not still in its boat...)? The existing beds are about 16" apart on the centers but I haven't taken complete engine room dimensions yet. If I re-power, it will most likely be in the service of big cruising plans where I'd like reliable motoring range, so electric is out (much as I love the idea). -Adam 1975 Cal 2-27 #93 Brisbane, CA

Whats so dangerous about this as long as it dont get wet,fly off the deck or blow monoxide in the cabin? I prob have some to learn being a new sailor. I have a new yamaha 2400 is i was hoping would fire my ac on my cal 33. I havent hooked it up yet. Matthew

You’ve pretty well summed it up. Don’t forget about storage of fuel below decks in unvented areas. I’ll bet Joe DeMers will have a few other ideas. nd by the way, welcome to the list! Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:58 PM, ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Whats so dangerous about this as long as it dont get wet,fly off the deck or blow monoxide in the cabin? I prob have some to learn being a new sailor. I have a new yamaha 2400 is i was hoping would fire my ac on my cal 33. I havent hooked it up yet. > > Matthew > >

My professional opinion follows. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>*phone & fax (860) 666-2184* A Honda gas genset is not designed to be used on a boat, so why would you do so? EVERY marine genset MUST BE ignition protected if it uses gasoline, AND it must be certified for such use by the USCG. This means it has been engineered to NOT be the source of sparks, heat, gasoline fumes, etc. Because, if there are gas fumes in the boat, or near the unit while starting or running it, there will be a fire or explosion. This standard was imposed to save people's lives. Ignoring it is just plain foolhardy, _and criminal_, in my book. ANY skipper that knowingly would jeopardize the lives of his crew by using a non marine gas genset on his boat is someone I have contempt for. Is saving some money really the responsible alternative to the purchase and installation of a REAL marine genset? Do you really _think so little of the lives of your crew_ ? *Marine* gasoline powered gensets are designed to contain any possible sparks, heat, backfires, and gasoline fumes that could start a fire or explosion. Your Honda genset has none of these vital engineering features. Remember, you only need to blow up ONCE, and may not live to have a second chance. It would be illuminating to hear the justification for this non marine genset installation during a court proceeding. Involuntary manslaughter is no joke. Just what, exactly, would you tell the judge? [ assuming you survived the explosion ] You will certainly be sued by your crew's family members for wrongful death. Will the jury view the irresponsible skipper, or a grieving widow more favorably? Why would one NOT protect oneself against such possibly life changing events? BOTTOM LINE - installation of a certified marine genset is cheaper than a funeral. Joe DeMers On 6/12/16 5:58 PM, ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > Whats so dangerous about this as long as it dont get wet,fly off the > deck or blow monoxide in the cabin? I prob have some to learn being a > new sailor. I have a new yamaha 2400 is i was hoping would fire my ac > on my cal 33. I havent hooked it up yet. > Matthew > > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>*phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

Hi, Joe. They sell those Honda gensets at boat stores. Kind of has the implication that they are OK to use. Not defending the use of the devices, just pointing it out. Take Care Charlie Annapolis Cal 25 Chicken Little From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:30 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; ma… [at] yahoo.com Subject: Non marine gasoline gensets - was Honda generator - was: [Cal_Boats] 2-27 repower options My professional opinion follows. Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLC <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> SoundMarineDiesel.com phone & fax (860) 666-2184 A Honda gas genset is not designed to be used on a boat, so why would you do so? EVERY marine genset MUST BE ignition protected if it uses gasoline, AND it must be certified for such use by the USCG. This means it has been engineered to NOT be the source of sparks, heat, gasoline fumes, etc. Because, if there are gas fumes in the boat, or near the unit while starting or running it, there will be a fire or explosion. This standard was imposed to save people's lives. Ignoring it is just plain foolhardy, and criminal, in my book. ANY skipper that knowingly would jeopardize the lives of his crew by using a non marine gas genset on his boat is someone I have contempt for. Is saving some money really the responsible alternative to the purchase and installation of a REAL marine genset? Do you really think so little of the lives of your crew ? Marine gasoline powered gensets are designed to contain any possible sparks, heat, backfires, and gasoline fumes that could start a fire or explosion. Your Honda genset has none of these vital engineering features. Remember, you only need to blow up ONCE, and may not live to have a second chance. It would be illuminating to hear the justification for this non marine genset installation during a court proceeding. Involuntary manslaughter is no joke. Just what, exactly, would you tell the judge? [ assuming you survived the explosion ] You will certainly be sued by your crew's family members for wrongful death. Will the jury view the irresponsible skipper, or a grieving widow more favorably? Why would one NOT protect oneself against such possibly life changing events? BOTTOM LINE - installation of a certified marine genset is cheaper than a funeral. Joe DeMers On 6/12/16 5:58 PM, ma… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:ma… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] wrote: Whats so dangerous about this as long as it dont get wet,fly off the deck or blow monoxide in the cabin? I prob have some to learn being a new sailor. I have a new yamaha 2400 is i was hoping would fire my ac on my cal 33. I havent hooked it up yet. Matthew -- Joe DeMers - owner Sound Marine Diesel LLC <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/> SoundMarineDiesel.comphone & fax (860) 666-2184

Also, as far as I am aware, in the event of any 'incident' any insurance cover may be null and void as the device is not USCG approved Grae Morrison 1972 Cal 2-29 Destiny Atlantic Highlands, NJ On 6/13/2016 9:39 AM, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > Hi, Joe. They sell those Honda gensets at boat stores. Kind of has > the implication that they are OK to use. Not defending the use of the > devices, just pointing it out. > > Take Care > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > Cal 25 Chicken Little > > *From:*Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 9:30 AM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; ma… [at] yahoo.com > *Subject:* Non marine gasoline gensets - was Honda generator - was: > [Cal_Boats] 2-27 repower options > > > > My professional opinion follows. > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>*phone & fax > (860) 666-2184* > > A Honda gas genset is not designed to be used on a boat, so why would > you do so? > > EVERY marine genset MUST BE ignition protected if it uses gasoline, > AND it must be certified for such use by the USCG. This means it has > been engineered to NOT be the source of sparks, heat, gasoline fumes, > etc. Because, if there are gas fumes in the boat, or near the unit > while starting or running it, there will be a fire or explosion. This > standard was imposed to save people's lives. Ignoring it is just plain > foolhardy, _and criminal_, in my book. > > ANY skipper that knowingly would jeopardize the lives of his crew by > using a non marine gas genset on his boat is someone I have contempt > for. Is saving some money really the responsible alternative to the > purchase and installation of a REAL marine genset? Do you really > _think so little of the lives of your crew_ ? > > *Marine* gasoline powered gensets are designed to contain any possible > sparks, heat, backfires, and gasoline fumes that could start a fire or > explosion. Your Honda genset has none of these vital engineering > features. Remember, you only need to blow up ONCE, and may not live to > have a second chance. > > It would be illuminating to hear the justification for this non > marine genset installation during a court proceeding. Involuntary > manslaughter is no joke. Just what, exactly, would you tell the judge? > [ assuming you survived the explosion ] > > You will certainly be sued by your crew's family members for wrongful > death. Will the jury view the irresponsible skipper, or a grieving > widow more favorably? Why would one NOT protect oneself against such > possibly life changing events? > > BOTTOM LINE - installation of a certified marine genset is cheaper > than a funeral. > > > Joe DeMers > > > On 6/12/16 5:58 PM, ma… [at] yahoo.com > <mailto:ma… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > Whats so dangerous about this as long as it dont get wet,fly off > the deck or blow monoxide in the cabin? I prob have some to learn > being a new sailor. I have a new yamaha 2400 is i was hoping would > fire my ac on my cal 33. I havent hooked it up yet. > > Matthew > > -- > > *Joe DeMers - owner* > > Sound Marine Diesel LLC > > SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>*phone & fax > (860) 666-2184* > > > > >

Ill ground the thing to the boats ground, I got a shiney emergency blanket thing to cover gas tank with. will see if it keeps the tank from getting hot in sun, it should. I will not store that tank below or install a permanent one. Ill seriously look into battery and solar options if Im going to marry this vessel, so far so good. if weather kicked up I would turn off and unhook the thing and cover it with it strapped down.. Really would only use it briefly while anchored at night. A deisel genset would be nice. Dont know where that could go on a 33.2 out of the weather. Matthew