Re: [Cal_Boats] fixing the compression post

The first step is to unstep the mast, you really can't adequately make the repair with the mast in place. That will reduce the compressive load on the repair area, then wedge or otherwise gently lift the structure back up to it's correct height. Now cut out the rotten section of the compression post and splice in replacement wood. Lifting/wedging against the underside of the cabin top may bring everything up with it, but it may also just lift the cabin top and separate it from the structure underneath. You may need to find a way to attach a setup to your bottle-jack that will hook under the bulkhead/cabinet structure and push it up from the bottom, then insert a temporary compression post alongside the permanent one to hold everything up while you make repairs, then lower the structure back down onto the new base. I have rebuilt structure under the compression post on a couple of boats, but neither boat had a bulkhead there, just the compression post, so I'm not sure about how the deck and bulkhead o the CAL 27 are connected, plus different boats are built different, so even if lifting the underside of the deck would lift the bulkhead with it on one boat, doesn't mean it will work for all boats. You could try it, maybe it will work? But either way, the mast really needs to be unstepped first to take the load off the area. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 Formerly co-owned "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On 12 Jun 2016 09:37:07 -0700 "mo… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: hi. i have a 1971 cal 27 pop top. working on refitting it. my present project involves the compression post. the post below the galley counter has begun to rot and squish in the 2 3/4 inches between the floor and the bottom or the galley fiberglass. this has allowed the post to sink 5/8 on an inch. you can see it by looking at the top of the companionway to the forward cabin. i have some Brazilian walnut. it's supposed to last better than 50 years even buried under the dirt. i am planning on cutting the bottom 2 3/4 inches off of the existing compression post and making a mast step out of the Brazilian walnut. all the rest of the compression post is in fine condition. i think this will be a good solution to the problem. my question has to do with jacking up the roof/mast/compression post. i have never done this before. since the cabin sole is attached to the fiberglass of the galley, i was planning on removing the sole to allow me access to the floor beneath. i was going to make a temporary compression post, like you would when jacking up a house porch roof to replace the porch beneath, and bolt a bottle jack to the top. you can't get directly beneath the mast, so, i was going to set up my jack directly beside the existing compression post. since the compression post, galley, and bulkhead are all bonded together as a unit, i am hoping that jacking up the roof at this point will raise the whole thing up the required 2 3/4 inches. any thoughts, warnings, or advice you guys can give would be great. thanks. Blazeray Deemed: One Household Item Everyone Should Have In Any Emergency http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/575ebb05896623b0441e3st04duc

it may be possible to do it mast up if all standing rigging is loosened as much as possible.Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; mo… [at] aol.com From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:51:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] fixing the compression post  The first step is to unstep the mast, you really can't adequately make the repair with the mast in place. That will reduce the compressive load on the repair area, then wedge or otherwise gently lift the structure back up to it's correct height. Now cut out the rotten section of the compression post and splice in replacement wood. Lifting/wedging against the underside of the cabin top may bring everything up with it, but it may also just lift the cabin top and separate it from the structure underneath. You may need to find a way to attach a setup to your bottle-jack that will hook under the bulkhead/cabinet structure and push it up from the bottom, then insert a temporary compression post alongside the permanent one to hold everything up while you make repairs, then lower the structure back down onto the new base. I have rebuilt structure under the compression post on a couple of boats, but neither boat had a bulkhead there, just the compression post, so I'm not sure about how the deck and bulkhead o the CAL 27 are connected, plus different boats are built different, so even if lifting the underside of the deck would lift the bulkhead with it on one boat, doesn't mean it will work for all boats. You could try it, maybe it will work? But either way, the mast really needs to be unstepped first to take the load off the area. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 Formerly co-owned "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On 12 Jun 2016 09:37:07 -0700 "mo… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: hi. i have a 1971 cal 27 pop top. working on refitting it. my present project involves the compression post. the post below the galley counter has begun to rot and squish in the 2 3/4 inches between the floor and the bottom or the galley fiberglass. this has allowed the post to sink 5/8 on an inch. you can see it by looking at the top of the companionway to the forward cabin. i have some Brazilian walnut. it's supposed to last better than 50 years even buried under the dirt. i am planning on cutting the bottom 2 3/4 inches off of the existing compression post and making a mast step out of the Brazilian walnut. all the rest of the compression post is in fine condition. i think this will be a good solution to the problem. my question has to do with jacking up the roof/mast/compression post. i have never done this before. since the cabin sole is attached to the fiberglass of the galley, i was planning on removing the sole to allow me access to the floor beneath. i was going to make a temporary compression post, like you would when jacking up a house porch roof to replace the porch beneath, and bolt a bottle jack to the top. you can't get directly beneath the mast, so, i was going to set up my jack directly beside the existing compression post. since the compression post, galley, and bulkhead are all bonded together as a unit, i am hoping that jacking up the roof at this point will raise the whole thing up the required 2 3/4 inches. any thoughts, warnings, or advice you guys can give would be great. thanks. Blazeray Deemed: One Household Item Everyone Should Have In Any Emergency http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/575ebb05896623b0441e3st04duc

that's the way some had previously told me i should do it....and to do it on the water as the pressures on the hull are different when on the water as compared to being blocked on the hard. if waiting to do it til i haul it and unstep the mast is the way to go, then the whole thing becomes simpler. it's doing it while the stick is in place that complicates matters. so, is it best to do that when the mast is up or after it is removed? ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <my1972ih@...> wrote : it may be possible to do it mast up if all standing rigging is loosened as much as possible. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; motorcyclejack2@... From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:51:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] fixing the compression post  The first step is to unstep the mast, you really can't adequately make the repair with the mast in place. That will reduce the compressive load on the repair area, then wedge or otherwise gently lift the structure back up to it's correct height. Now cut out the rotten section of the compression post and splice in replacement wood. Lifting/wedging against the underside of the cabin top may bring everything up with it, but it may also just lift the cabin top and separate it from the structure underneath. You may need to find a way to attach a setup to your bottle-jack that will hook under the bulkhead/cabinet structure and push it up from the bottom, then insert a temporary compression post alongside the permanent one to hold everything up while you make repairs, then lower the structure back down onto the new base. I have rebuilt structure under the compression post on a couple of boats, but neither boat had a bulkhead there, just the compression post, so I'm not sure about how the deck and bulkhead o the CAL 27 are connected, plus different boats are built different, so even if lifting the underside of the deck would lift the bulkhead with it on one boat, doesn't mean it will work for all boats. You could try it, maybe it will work? But either way, the mast really needs to be unstepped first to take the load off the area. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 Formerly co-owned "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On 12 Jun 2016 09:37:07 -0700 "motorcyclejack2@... mailto:motorcyclejack2@... [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: hi. i have a 1971 cal 27 pop top. working on refitting it. my present project involves the compression post. the post below the galley counter has begun to rot and squish in the 2 3/4 inches between the floor and the bottom or the galley fiberglass. this has allowed the post to sink 5/8 on an inch. you can see it by looking at the top of the companionway to the forward cabin. i have some Brazilian walnut. it's supposed to last better than 50 years even buried under the dirt. i am planning on cutting the bottom 2 3/4 inches off of the existing compression post and making a mast step out of the Brazilian walnut. all the rest of the compression post is in fine condition. i think this will be a good solution to the problem. my question has to do with jacking up the roof/mast/compression post. i have never done this before. since the cabin sole is attached to the fiberglass of the galley, i was planning on removing the sole to allow me access to the floor beneath. i was going to make a temporary compression post, like you would when jacking up a house porch roof to replace the porch beneath, and bolt a bottle jack to the top. you can't get directly beneath the mast, so, i was going to set up my jack directly beside the existing compression post. since the compression post, galley, and bulkhead are all bonded together as a unit, i am hoping that jacking up the roof at this point will raise the whole thing up the required 2 3/4 inches. any thoughts, warnings, or advice you guys can give would be great. thanks. Blazeray Deemed: One Household Item Everyone Should Have In Any Emergency http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/575ebb05896623b0441e3st04duchttp://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/575ebb05896623b0441e3st04duc http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/575ebb05896623b0441e3st04duc

I have only followed this thread a bit, but if I were fixing any area near the mast , I would take it down to remove the compressive loads. Just my .02 cents. It's just plain easier once that is done East coast cal 29 sailor > On Jun 13, 2016, at 10:54 PM, mo… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > that's the way some had previously told me i should do it....and to do it on the water as the pressures on the hull are different when on the water as compared to being blocked on the hard. if waiting to do it til i haul it and unstep the mast is the way to go, then the whole thing becomes simpler. it's doing it while the stick is in place that complicates matters. so, is it best to do that when the mast is up or after it is removed? > > > > ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <my1972ih@...> wrote : > > it may be possible to do it mast up if all standing rigging is loosened as much as possible. > Reggie > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; motorcyclejack2@... > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:51:47 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] fixing the compression post > > >  > The first step is to unstep the mast, you really can't adequately make the repair with the mast in place. That will reduce the compressive load on the repair area, then wedge or otherwise gently lift the structure back up to it's correct height. Now cut out the rotten section of the compression post and splice in replacement wood. Lifting/wedging against the underside of the cabin top may bring everything up with it, but it may also just lift the cabin top and separate it from the structure underneath. You may need to find a way to attach a setup to your bottle-jack that will hook under the bulkhead/cabinet structure and push it up from the bottom, then insert a temporary compression post alongside the permanent one to hold everything up while you make repairs, then lower the structure back down onto the new base. > > I have rebuilt structure under the compression post on a couple of boats, but neither boat had a bulkhead there, just the compression post, so I'm not sure about how the deck and bulkhead o the CAL 27 are connected, plus different boats are built different, so even if lifting the underside of the deck would lift the bulkhead with it on one boat, doesn't mean it will work for all boats. You could try it, maybe it will work? But either way, the mast really needs to be unstepped first to take the load off the area. > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 > Formerly co-owned "NODROG" > 1970 CAL 21 #285 > > > On 12 Jun 2016 09:37:07 -0700 "motorcyclejack2@... [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: > > > hi. i have a 1971 cal 27 pop top. working on refitting it. my present project involves the compression post. the post below the galley counter has begun to rot and squish in the 2 3/4 inches between the floor and the bottom or the galley fiberglass. this has allowed the post to sink 5/8 on an inch. you can see it by looking at the top of the companionway to the forward cabin. > > > i have some Brazilian walnut. it's supposed to last better than 50 years even buried under the dirt. i am planning on cutting the bottom 2 3/4 inches off of the existing compression post and making a mast step out of the Brazilian walnut. all the rest of the compression post is in fine condition. i think this will be a good solution to the problem. > > > my question has to do with jacking up the roof/mast/compression post. i have never done this before. since the cabin sole is attached to the fiberglass of the galley, i was planning on removing the sole to allow me access to the floor beneath. i was going to make a temporary compression post, like you would when jacking up a house porch roof to replace the porch beneath, and bolt a bottle jack to the top. you can't get directly beneath the mast, so, i was going to set up my jack directly beside the existing compression post. since the compression post, galley, and bulkhead are all bonded together as a unit, i am hoping that jacking up the roof at this point will raise the whole thing up the required 2 3/4 inches. > > > any thoughts, warnings, or advice you guys can give would be great. thanks. > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Blazeray > Deemed: One Household Item Everyone Should Have In Any Emergency > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/575ebb05896623b0441e3st04duc >

i i was hoping to hear from someone who had done this. anyone with hands on experience? ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <sailor7312@...> wrote : I have only followed this thread a bit, but if I were fixing any area near the mast , I would take it down to remove the compressive loads. Just my .02 cents. It's just plain easier once that is done East coast cal 29 sailor On Jun 13, 2016, at 10:54 PM, motorcyclejack2@... mailto:motorcyclejack2@... [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: that's the way some had previously told me i should do it....and to do it on the water as the pressures on the hull are different when on the water as compared to being blocked on the hard. if waiting to do it til i haul it and unstep the mast is the way to go, then the whole thing becomes simpler. it's doing it while the stick is in place that complicates matters. so, is it best to do that when the mast is up or after it is removed? ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, <my1972ih@...> wrote : it may be possible to do it mast up if all standing rigging is loosened as much as possible. Reggie To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; motorcyclejack2@... From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:51:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] fixing the compression post  The first step is to unstep the mast, you really can't adequately make the repair with the mast in place. That will reduce the compressive load on the repair area, then wedge or otherwise gently lift the structure back up to it's correct height. Now cut out the rotten section of the compression post and splice in replacement wood. Lifting/wedging against the underside of the cabin top may bring everything up with it, but it may also just lift the cabin top and separate it from the structure underneath. You may need to find a way to attach a setup to your bottle-jack that will hook under the bulkhead/cabinet structure and push it up from the bottom, then insert a temporary compression post alongside the permanent one to hold everything up while you make repairs, then lower the structure back down onto the new base. I have rebuilt structure under the compression post on a couple of boats, but neither boat had a bulkhead there, just the compression post, so I'm not sure about how the deck and bulkhead o the CAL 27 are connected, plus different boats are built different, so even if lifting the underside of the deck would lift the bulkhead with it on one boat, doesn't mean it will work for all boats. You could try it, maybe it will work? But either way, the mast really needs to be unstepped first to take the load off the area. Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 Formerly co-owned "NODROG" 1970 CAL 21 #285 On 12 Jun 2016 09:37:07 -0700 "motorcyclejack2@... mailto:motorcyclejack2@... [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: hi. i have a 1971 cal 27 pop top. working on refitting it. my present project involves the compression post. the post below the galley counter has begun to rot and squish in the 2 3/4 inches between the floor and the bottom or the galley fiberglass. this has allowed the post to sink 5/8 on an inch. you can see it by looking at the top of the companionway to the forward cabin. i have some Brazilian walnut. it's supposed to last better than 50 years even buried under the dirt. i am planning on cutting the bottom 2 3/4 inches off of the existing compression post and making a mast step out of the Brazilian walnut. all the rest of the compression post is in fine condition. i think this will be a good solution to the problem. my question has to do with jacking up the roof/mast/compression post. i have never done this before. since the cabin sole is attached to the fiberglass of the galley, i was planning on removing the sole to allow me access to the floor beneath. i was going to make a temporary compression post, like you would when jacking up a house porch roof to replace the porch beneath, and bolt a bottle jack to the top. you can't get directly beneath the mast, so, i was going to set up my jack directly beside the existing compression post. since the compression post, galley, and bulkhead are all bonded together as a unit, i am hoping that jacking up the roof at this point will raise the whole thing up the required 2 3/4 inches. any thoughts, warnings, or advice you guys can give would be great. thanks. Blazeray Deemed: One Household Item Everyone Should Have In Any Emergency http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/575ebb05896623b0441e3st04duchttp://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/575ebb05896623b0441e3st04duc http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/575ebb05896623b0441e3st04duc

I’d go with the loosening of the stays with the mast up as a first try. When I removed my Cal 28 compression post, the rig stood up fine. The dead weight of the rig was supported fine by the deck with the bulkhead providing most of the strength. You could put a padded 2 by 4 supported by a bottle jack as a sister and it would pick up any sag. I eventually took the rig down because I didn’t trust my rig to stand up in the spring windstorms we have in Texas and I didn’t want to harm any boats in neighboring slips in case it fell. George Barlow Eagle Mountain, Texas > On Jun 22, 2016, at 4:44 PM, mo… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > i > > i was hoping to hear from someone who had done this. anyone with hands on experience? > > ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>, <sailor7312@...> wrote : > > I have only followed this thread a bit, but if I were fixing any area near the mast , I would take it down to remove the compressive loads. Just my .02 cents. It's just plain easier once that is done > > East coast cal 29 sailor > > > On Jun 13, 2016, at 10:54 PM, motorcyclejack2@... <mailto:motorcyclejack2@...> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > >> >> that's the way some had previously told me i should do it....and to do it on the water as the pressures on the hull are different when on the water as compared to being blocked on the hard. if waiting to do it til i haul it and unstep the mast is the way to go, then the whole thing becomes simpler. it's doing it while the stick is in place that complicates matters. so, is it best to do that when the mast is up or after it is removed? >> >> >> >> ---In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>, <my1972ih@...> wrote : >> >> it may be possible to do it mast up if all standing rigging is loosened as much as possible. >> Reggie >> >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; motorcyclejack2@... >> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:51:47 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] fixing the compression post >> >> >>  >> The first step is to unstep the mast, you really can't adequately make the repair with the mast in place. That will reduce the compressive load on the repair area, then wedge or otherwise gently lift the structure back up to it's correct height. Now cut out the rotten section of the compression post and splice in replacement wood. Lifting/wedging against the underside of the cabin top may bring everything up with it, but it may also just lift the cabin top and separate it from the structure underneath. You may need to find a way to attach a setup to your bottle-jack that will hook under the bulkhead/cabinet structure and push it up from the bottom, then insert a temporary compression post alongside the permanent one to hold everything up while you make repairs, then lower the structure back down onto the new base. >> >> I have rebuilt structure under the compression post on a couple of boats, but neither boat had a bulkhead there, just the compression post, so I'm not sure about how the deck and bulkhead o the CAL 27 are connected, plus different boats are built different, so even if lifting the underside of the deck would lift the bulkhead with it on one boat, doesn't mean it will work for all boats. You could try it, maybe it will work? But either way, the mast really needs to be unstepped first to take the load off the area. >> >> Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" >> 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 >> Formerly co-owned "NODROG" >> 1970 CAL 21 #285 >> >> >> On 12 Jun 2016 09:37:07 -0700 "motorcyclejack2@... <mailto:motorcyclejack2@...> [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> writes: >> >> >> hi. i have a 1971 cal 27 pop top. working on refitting it. my present project involves the compression post. the post below the galley counter has begun to rot and squish in the 2 3/4 inches between the floor and the bottom or the galley fiberglass. this has allowed the post to sink 5/8 on an inch. you can see it by looking at the top of the companionway to the forward cabin. >> >> >> i have some Brazilian walnut. it's supposed to last better than 50 years even buried under the dirt. i am planning on cutting the bottom 2 3/4 inches off of the existing compression post and making a mast step out of the Brazilian walnut. all the rest of the compression post is in fine condition. i think this will be a good solution to the problem. >> >> >> my question has to do with jacking up the roof/mast/compression post. i have never done this before. since the cabin sole is attached to the fiberglass of the galley, i was planning on removing the sole to allow me access to the floor beneath. i was going to make a temporary compression post, like you would when jacking up a house porch roof to replace the porch beneath, and bolt a bottle jack to the top. you can't get directly beneath the mast, so, i was going to set up my jack directly beside the existing compression post. since the compression post, galley, and bulkhead are all bonded together as a unit, i am hoping that jacking up the roof at this point will raise the whole thing up the required 2 3/4 inches. >> >> >> any thoughts, warnings, or advice you guys can give would be great. thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Blazeray >> Deemed: One Household Item Everyone Should Have In Any Emergency >> <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/575ebb05896623b0441e3st04duc>http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/575ebb05896623b0441e3st04duc <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/575ebb05896623b0441e3st04duc> >> > > >