Re: [Cal_Boats] cal 33 ceiling picture needed [1 Attachment]

I'm still mystified as to why you are attaching this pole to the ceiling......... I would think that it makes MUCH more sense to attach it to the overhead. attaching it to the ceiling will mean running the pole horizontally instead of vertically. A vertical pole is what was originally used from the factory, what is the purpose of changing to a horizontal pole in order to attach to the ceiling?? Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 (was: "NODROG", 1970 CAL 21 #285) On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 20:32:32 +0000 (UTC) "matthew ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: [Attachment(s) from matthew included below] Thank you for the information Leslie! I will start with taking one of my ceiling panals down and seeing the fit up of the screw holes and see about looking for a flange like that or making one. Matthew From: "NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; matthew <ma… [at] yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cal 33 ceiling picture needed The grab bar for the table is held at the ceiling by a flange similar to this one pictured, but the flange needs to be sized for the diameter of the pipe of course. My boat has a flange that requires three screws just as these pictured, that are screwed into the ceiling with I think 1" SS screws (or whatever holds the flange without going through to the outside). I had to replace one of the screws recently with a slightly larger diameter screw so it would grip. There is also a hole in the flange where a drift pin is driven through that holds the pipe inside the flange. I guess a set screw would work, but the pin driven through allows the tube to shift some and maybe that is needed. The tube is a loose fit inside the flange, so I guess the flange is just slightly larger diameter than the tube. Leslie Newman "Puffin" Cal 33-2 ? On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 5:45 PM, matthew ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hey folks, Can someone send me a picture of a cal 33 ceiling where the dinette table grab bar meets the ceiling? When I bought my boat the table was removed. I want to put it back but I dont have any hardware for the top, plan bar only. I see the bottom is self explanatory. Thanks in advance! Matthew Beauty Experts (Sponsored by Content.Ad) Brilliant New Device To Whiten Teeth In Minutes http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/57c762995fdfc62992847st02duc

You are being unkind. On boats, ceilings line the hull. The lining under the deck is called the overhead. George Barlow > On Aug 31, 2016, at 6:00 PM, rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > >  > > I'm still mystified as to why you are attaching this pole to the ceiling......... I would think that it makes MUCH more sense to attach it to the overhead. > attaching it to the ceiling will mean running the pole horizontally instead of vertically. A vertical pole is what was originally used from the factory, what is the purpose of changing to a horizontal pole in order to attach to the ceiling?? > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 > (was: "NODROG", 1970 CAL 21 #285) > > On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 20:32:32 +0000 (UTC) "matthew ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: > > Thank you for the information Leslie! I will start with taking one of my ceiling panals down and seeing the fit up of the screw holes and see about looking for a flange like that or making one. > Matthew > > > From: "NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; matthew <ma… [at] yahoo.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cal 33 ceiling picture needed > > > The grab bar for the table is held at the ceiling by a flange similar to this one pictured, but the flange needs to be sized for the diameter of the pipe of course. My boat has a flange that requires three screws just as these pictured, that are screwed into the ceiling with I think 1" SS screws (or whatever holds the flange without going through to the outside). I had to replace one of the screws recently with a slightly larger diameter screw so it would grip. There is also a hole in the flange where a drift pin is driven through that holds the pipe inside the flange. I guess a set screw would work, but the pin driven through allows the tube to shift some and maybe that is needed. The tube is a loose fit inside the flange, so I guess the flange is just slightly larger diameter than the tube. > > Leslie Newman > "Puffin" Cal 33-2 > > > ​ > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 5:45 PM, matthew ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Hey folks, > Can someone send me a picture of a cal 33 ceiling where the dinette table grab bar meets the ceiling? When I bought my boat the table was removed. I want to put it back but I dont have any hardware for the top, plan bar only. I see the bottom is self explanatory. > Thanks in advance! > Matthew > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Beauty Experts (Sponsored by Content.Ad) > Brilliant New Device To Whiten Teeth In Minutes > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/57c762995fdfc62992847st02duc >

Rod, is it possible that you are a sticker for jargon? I, too saw this gaffe and chose to ignore it. Keep Smiling, Fred Haas 3-30 Nemesis Tacoma On Aug 31, 2016, at 4:00 PM, rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >  > > I'm still mystified as to why you are attaching this pole to the ceiling......... I would think that it makes MUCH more sense to attach it to the overhead. > attaching it to the ceiling will mean running the pole horizontally instead of vertically. A vertical pole is what was originally used from the factory, what is the purpose of changing to a horizontal pole in order to attach to the ceiling?? > > Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" > 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 > (was: "NODROG", 1970 CAL 21 #285) >

lol..it will go from the floor to over my head. From: "GEORGE BARLOW ge… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; rj… [at] juno.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cal 33 ceiling picture needed You are being unkind. On boats, ceilings line the hull. The lining under the deck is called the overhead. George Barlow On Aug 31, 2016, at 6:00 PM, rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I'm still mystified as to why you are attaching this pole to the ceiling......... I would think that it makes MUCH more sense to attach it to the overhead. attaching it to the ceiling will mean running the pole horizontally instead of vertically. A vertical pole is what was originally used from the factory, what is the purpose of changing to a horizontal pole in order to attach to the ceiling?? Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD"1979 O'DAY DS II #10201(was: "NODROG", 1970 CAL 21 #285) On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 20:32:32 +0000 (UTC) "matthew ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: Thank you for the information Leslie! I will start with taking one of my ceiling panals down and seeing the fit up of the screw holes and see about looking for a flange like that or making one. Matthew From: "NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; matthew <ma… [at] yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cal 33 ceiling picture needed The grab bar for the table is held at the ceiling by a flange similar to this one pictured, but the flange needs to be sized for the diameter of the pipe of course. My boat has a flange that requires three screws just as these pictured, that are screwed into the ceiling with I think 1" SS screws (or whatever holds the flange without going through to the outside). I had to replace one of the screws recently with a slightly larger diameter screw so it would grip. There is also a hole in the flange where a drift pin is driven through that holds the pipe inside the flange. I guess a set screw would work, but the pin driven through allows the tube to shift some and maybe that is needed. The tube is a loose fit inside the flange, so I guess the flange is just slightly larger diameter than the tube. Leslie Newman "Puffin" Cal 33-2 ​ On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 5:45 PM, matthew ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hey folks, Can someone send me a picture of a cal 33 ceiling where the dinette table grab bar meets the ceiling? When I bought my boat the table was removed. I want to put it back but I dont have any hardware for the top, plan bar only. I see the bottom is self explanatory. Thanks in advance! Matthew Beauty Experts (Sponsored by Content.Ad) Brilliant New Device To Whiten Teeth In Minutes http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/57c762995fdfc62992847st02duc

Not floor, "sole". -Yoda ⬆️ George > On Aug 31, 2016, at 9:36 PM, matthew ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > lol..it will go from the floor to over my head. > > > From: "GEORGE BARLOW ge… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; rj… [at] juno.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cal 33 ceiling picture needed > > > You are being unkind. On boats, ceilings line the hull. The lining under the deck is called the overhead. > > George Barlow > >> On Aug 31, 2016, at 6:00 PM, rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >>  >> I'm still mystified as to why you are attaching this pole to the ceiling......... I would think that it makes MUCH more sense to attach it to the overhead. >> attaching it to the ceiling will mean running the pole horizontally instead of vertically. A vertical pole is what was originally used from the factory, what is the purpose of changing to a horizontal pole in order to attach to the ceiling?? >> >> Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" >> 1979 O'DAY DS II #10201 >> (was: "NODROG", 1970 CAL 21 #285) >> >> On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 20:32:32 +0000 (UTC) "matthew ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: >> >> Thank you for the information Leslie! I will start with taking one of my ceiling panals down and seeing the fit up of the screw holes and see about looking for a flange like that or making one. >> Matthew >> >> >> From: "NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; matthew <ma… [at] yahoo.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:11 AM >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cal 33 ceiling picture needed >> >> >> The grab bar for the table is held at the ceiling by a flange similar to this one pictured, but the flange needs to be sized for the diameter of the pipe of course. My boat has a flange that requires three screws just as these pictured, that are screwed into the ceiling with I think 1" SS screws (or whatever holds the flange without going through to the outside). I had to replace one of the screws recently with a slightly larger diameter screw so it would grip. There is also a hole in the flange where a drift pin is driven through that holds the pipe inside the flange. I guess a set screw would work, but the pin driven through allows the tube to shift some and maybe that is needed. The tube is a loose fit inside the flange, so I guess the flange is just slightly larger diameter than the tube. >> >> Leslie Newman >> "Puffin" Cal 33-2 >> >> >> ​ >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 5:45 PM, matthew ma… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey folks, >> Can someone send me a picture of a cal 33 ceiling where the dinette table grab bar meets the ceiling? When I bought my boat the table was removed. I want to put it back but I dont have any hardware for the top, plan bar only. I see the bottom is self explanatory. >> Thanks in advance! >> Matthew >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Beauty Experts (Sponsored by Content.Ad) >> Brilliant New Device To Whiten Teeth In Minutes >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/57c762995fdfc62992847st02duc > > > >

On 8/31/2016 7:24 PM, Fred Haas ca… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > Rod, is it possible that you are a sticker for jargon? I, too saw this > gaffe and chose to ignore it. I was trying to think of some way to inject a correction too. Sailing is a jargon-filled activity, and that scares some people, but learning the language is part of the fun for the rest of us. Knowing the lingo is a way of verifying that you've had some experience and that you've bothered to learn. Let's face it, if somebody talks about the front of the boat, we all think "landlubber." Now, ceiling vs overhead is a bit more esoteric than bow and stern, port and starboard. I probably would have flunked that test 25 years ago. It's like the distinction between floor, an athwartship structural component tying frames together, and sole, the thing you walk on. And I'll confess that while I've got a pretty good boat-part and sailing-activity vocabulary, I'm still a bit puzzled by the right names for those panels of glass or plastic that let light into our cabins. Deadlights, if fixed? Opening ports, if openable? Windows? Lights? There are some people who have never set foot on a boat who can name each component of the standing rigging, running rigging, and hull of a full-rigged ship. There are some people who can win more races than the other who talk about the front of the boat or the floor of the cockpit. But the real sailors, the real old salts, are the ones who can sail the boat safely and efficiently in all kinds of conditions and describe the process with accuracy and precision. It seems to me that all of us should aim for being better sailors in both respects--in terms of sailing skill, and also in terms of sailing vocabulary. Chris Campbell

Well said Sir, I admit it, I am still new and learning the language and appreciate all the learning and vast array of knowledge that is on this list :)Matthew From: "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; Fred Haas <ca… [at] gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2016 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] cal 33 ceiling picture needed On 8/31/2016 7:24 PM, Fred Haas ca… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: Rod, is it possible that you are a sticker for jargon? I, too saw this gaffe and chose to ignore it. I was trying to think of some way to inject a correction too. Sailing is a jargon-filled activity, and that scares some people, but learning the language is part of the fun for the rest of us. Knowing the lingo is a way of verifying that you've had some experience and that you've bothered to learn. Let's face it, if somebody talks about the front of the boat, we all think "landlubber." Now, ceiling vs overhead is a bit more esoteric than bow and stern, port and starboard. I probably would have flunked that test 25 years ago. It's like the distinction between floor, an athwartship structural component tying frames together, and sole, the thing you walk on. And I'll confess that while I've got a pretty good boat-part and sailing-activity vocabulary, I'm still a bit puzzled by the right names for those panels of glass or plastic that let light into our cabins. Deadlights, if fixed? Opening ports, if openable? Windows? Lights? There are some people who have never set foot on a boat who can name each component of the standing rigging, running rigging, and hull of a full-rigged ship. There are some people who can win more races than the other who talk about the front of the boat or the floor of the cockpit. But the real sailors, the real old salts, are the ones who can sail the boat safely and efficiently in all kinds of conditions and describe the process with accuracy and precision. It seems to me that all of us should aim for being better sailors in both respects--in terms of sailing skill, and also in terms of sailing vocabulary. Chris Campbell