Re: [Cal_Boats] new sails

Reggie - Talk to Scott Gibbs at Evolution Sails and tell him up front what you want to pay (better if you have a quote from somewhere else) and he will work with you. Your sail will be built right in his loft (Easton, MD) and keep your dollars in the US. His number is 410-819-8886. He has built all our sails except for one that we got from Quantum in a time crunch. We hated that sail and when we told him that we hated it he said "It was cut too flat wasn't it? Hard to stay in the groove?" He was dead on and said that their software designs them like that. Paul West Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing Inc. _www.DocksideMobileMarineService.com_ (http://www.docksidemobilemarineservice.com/) 443-614-4070 In a message dated 12/8/2011 7:12:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hu… [at] bah.com writes: Hi, Reggie. A CAL 25 guy used to work at Bacon’s and designed some sails for us. I bought a couple and they seemed fine. They were cut fuller which suits the boat. I know they were designed here, but cut and built offshore (pretty typical these days). The CAL 25 fellow is no longer at Bacon’s, so I do not know what they are presently doing for sail design and production. I could check it out if you like. I still know some people there. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:06 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] new sails Has anyone had any experience with new sails made by Bacon Sails, Annapolis? Reggie

Speaking of the Easten Shore MD, what ever happened to Meade Breeze in Rock Hall. Last time I was there for a short visit in the fall, the house was sold. Darn shame. Visiting Meade was like walking into a time capsule and candyland all combined in one. He used to make canvas sails still and had all the old tools. Loved to chat with him hours on end, always receptive, /ch On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:37 AM, <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: > ** > Reggie - > > Talk to Scott Gibbs at Evolution Sails and tell him up front what you want > to pay (better if you have a quote from somewhere else) and he will work > with you. Your sail will be built right in his loft (Easton, MD) and keep > your dollars in the US. > > His number is 410-819-8886. > > He has built all our sails except for one that we got from Quantum in a > time crunch. We hated that sail and when we told him that we hated it he > said "It was cut too flat wasn't it? Hard to stay in the groove?" He was > dead on and said that their software designs them like that. > > Paul West > Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing Inc. > www.DocksideMobileMarineService.com<http://www.docksidemobilemarineservice.com/> > 443-614-4070 > > In a message dated 12/8/2011 7:12:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > hu… [at] bah.com writes: > > > > Hi, Reggie. A CAL 25 guy used to work at Bacon’s and designed some > sails for us. I bought a couple and they seemed fine. They were cut > fuller which suits the boat. I know they were designed here, but cut and > built offshore (pretty typical these days). The CAL 25 fellow is no longer > at Bacon’s, so I do not know what they are presently doing for sail design > and production. I could check it out if you like. I still know some > people there.**** > > **** > > Cheers**** > > Charlie**** > > **** > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *r good > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:06 PM > *To:* ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] new sails**** > > **** > > > > > **** > > Has anyone had any experience with new sails made by Bacon Sails, > Annapolis? > Reggie**** > > > > > **** > > **** > > > > -- /ch

Chris: Meade is still in Rock Hall making sails. He sold the building on Main Street and bought a piece of property about a mile south of town, built a new house for he and Cheryl and a new loft behind the house. He built me a new jib last spring that is just great. Les Hester Former Cal 29 owner Tartan 34C #198 Sable Rock Hall, Md. On Dec 13, 2011, at 9:27 PM, chris123 <ch… [at] gmail.com> wrote: > Speaking of the Easten Shore MD, what ever happened to Meade Breeze in Rock Hall. Last time I was there for a short visit in the fall, the house was sold. Darn shame. Visiting Meade was like walking into a time capsule and candyland all combined in one. He used to make canvas sails still and had all the old tools. Loved to chat with him hours on end, always receptive, > > /ch > > > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:37 AM, <pw… [at] aol.com> wrote: > Reggie - > > Talk to Scott Gibbs at Evolution Sails and tell him up front what you want to pay (better if you have a quote from somewhere else) and he will work with you. Your sail will be built right in his loft (Easton, MD) and keep your dollars in the US. > > His number is 410-819-8886. > > He has built all our sails except for one that we got from Quantum in a time crunch. We hated that sail and when we told him that we hated it he said "It was cut too flat wasn't it? Hard to stay in the groove?" He was dead on and said that their software designs them like that. > > Paul West > Dockside Mobile Marine Service & Fuel Polishing Inc. > www.DocksideMobileMarineService.com > 443-614-4070 > > In a message dated 12/8/2011 7:12:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hu… [at] bah.com writes: > > Hi, Reggie. A CAL 25 guy used to work at Bacon’s and designed some sails for us. I bought a couple and they seemed fine. They were cut fuller which suits the boat. I know they were designed here, but cut and built offshore (pretty typical these days). The CAL 25 fellow is no longer at Bacon’s, so I do not know what they are presently doing for sail design and production. I could check it out if you like. I still know some people there. > > > Cheers > > Charlie > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:06 PM > To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Cal_Boats] new sails > > > > > > > Has anyone had any experience with new sails made by Bacon Sails, Annapolis? > Reggie > > > > > > > > > <image001.jpg> > > > > -- > /ch > > >

Thanks Les....will have to pay him a visit. The century home was a beauty with a lot of history behind it. Like I said, its was a toy shop for me. Darn, but good to hear he's still around. Will have to pay him a visit in the spring when I pick up a Hurley 22 and deliver it to Nova Scotia for a friend. Cool little boat....sacralidge on the CAL list but she was good enough to cary the first woman across the Atlantic. My friend got it for steal on ebay 300 bucks with brand new (one season on the slides never used) suite of sails from Quantum (fully battoned main) There was more personal kit of gold on this boat then I could shake a stick at when I inspected her. One heck of a deal, with a bildge keel form a very nice man. Cant wait to run her North....if interested here is a nice intro video below and the vessel is sitting quitely at Miller's Marine just outside of town. http://youtu.be/KK5D33MDe5k Needs new rub strakes (working on that and the tiller now) and a good cleaning and bottom job in the spring. Running rigging is toast but thats not a big issue. All small diameter stuff. Shame they chopped the stern to mount the engine as she comes with an engine well for an outboard. Really nice little blue water boat, once the stern get put back together. Heck I may not stop in Nova Scotia and just keep going......hang a big right and bring her back to the factory for a proper refitting...:) Now that would be fun via the Azores of course. Ah...its good to dream of adventures. Sometimes they actually come true....:) The dog is doing well btw and misses life on board. Best regards to you and yours. /ch On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Les Hester <ld… [at] comcast.net> wrote: > > > Chris: Meade is still in Rock Hall making sails. >

Reggie, "white" sails today are often brown, gray, gold, or even translucent. John, a mylar sail does not degrade gracefully. Rather than gradually stretching, it will just come apart. Seems 3-5 years is about the window. Something I have noted is that Sailmakers are making their mylar/spectra/kevlar (name your exotic "cloth") flatter than the old days to accommodate the skinny keeled canoe bottom boats. The CALs like their sails a little fuller. Possible that your dacron stretched to match your hull and rig. Exotics won't do that. They will just come apart. There is another factor (said Charlie, philosophically). Impulse. Exotics do not stretch much, so a puff transfers an impulse to the boat rather than a broader timed pull that would happen with dacron as it stretches some. The impulse puts more force into accelerating the boat, but is also harder on the rig. Just a thought. That said, I use mylars for 1s and 2s on my CAL 25s. I just need to replace the 1s every three years (maybe less if abused). The aftermarket for mylars is not so hot, so I have a collection. North has a cut for a No. 1 that suits the CAL 25 very well. It was done just for us by a local North design guy in Annapolis. The guy is also an excellent Chicago style blues guitarist and has a son who works for PRS Guitars. (Just a little local color for everybody. PRS is on Kent Island just across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge). PRS is Paul Reed Smith who supplies guitars for the likes of Carlos Santana. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r good Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 1:40 PM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [External] RE: [Cal_Boats] New Sails do you sail white sails only or fly a spinnaker? Are you required to submit sail measurements for rating purposes? To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com From: je… [at] gmail.com Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:36:22 -0400 Subject: [Cal_Boats] New Sails This has been a wonderful season for sailing on Lake Erie, winning two of three regattas and second overall in our fleet with the narrowest margin between first and second of any fleet. However, in my opinion second is the worst of all positions, we were so close that if we only ... My conclusion is that I need a new number one genoa for my CAL 227. My experience with number 1 headsails ( I always pick a 155 as my number 1) has been mixed. The best sail I ever had was a North Dacron sail that I bought in 1988 which I have used several times this year with good results. When I thought this sail at reached the end of its racing life 10+ years ago I bought a UK Tape Drive, this is the worst sail I ever bought. On a limited budget I used it for several years and then bought a pentex mylar from a local sailmaker my current #1, it is adequate but not as good as the Dacron sail. My thinking is that the Mylar sails I have been buying are built for too wide of a wind range (up to 20 kts) and I should buy a #1 that is good up to 14kts (my #2 is a 140% Dacron and it is wonderful, it was made by the same local sailmaker as my #1) My dilemma is should I buy Dacron or Mylar? Is my analysis correct, what do the other 227 sailors use? Are the Dacron fabrics that are made today as good as they were 25 years ago? Is there any advantage to Mylar for sailors who keep their sails more than 3-5 years? Looking forward to the discussion. John B CAL 227 #650

On 9/28/2012 2:03 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote: > > Something I have noted is that Sailmakers are making their > mylar/spectra/kevlar (name your exotic "cloth") flatter than the old > days to accommodate the skinny keeled canoe bottom boats. The CALs > like their sails a little fuller. > Maybe even Dacron sails are cut flatter, which may explain the almost miraculous effect of the new jib on my other boat. The boat's shoal draft and tender. The new jib keeps her standing and moving in winds where she would previously have been on her ear and rounding up. > > > There is another factor (said Charlie, philosophically). Impulse. > Exotics do not stretch much, so a puff transfers an impulse to the > boat rather than a broader timed pull that would happen with dacron as > it stretches some. The impulse puts more force into accelerating the > boat, but is also harder on the rig. > If the stretching sail absorbs some energy, doesn't it give that back as the sail regains its shape--thus spreading the impulse over a tiny bit longer time? For some boats the longer-duration, smaller-peak force effect might be helpful. Chris Campbell

I have a North A3. It is best from 60 degrees to 120 up to 16 knts Apparent wind. At 90 degrees 15 is max. I had it up to 20 running 140 maybe 150 apparent. Deeper it suffers from lack of wind. I do mostly long distance racing. It is great reaching. Randy Cal 2 29 Out Patient Channel Islands Ca Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3 From: "John b je… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: 10/02/2016 12:07 (GMT-08:00) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] New sails Now that the boat is put away for the winter I am planning to buy a new chute. As happens every time I look at a new sail the same question arises, how do you make a decision between quotes. In my case I'm looking at at quotes between $1700 and $2700 there must be some objective criteria to distinguish between the quotes but I don't know what they are. In every case I'm looking for a .75 oz AP chute used on a reaching course. Any ideas? John B Cal 227 #650

One of our listmates, Alan Edwards has a website www. L36 .com I believe has a list of used sails for sale. You may find what you need for smaller investment! My best, Mike Farrell Yellow Jack USA 57313 From: "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: 10/04/2016 8:53 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com,John b <je… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] New sails On 10/2/2016 3:07 PM, John b je… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: Now that the boat is put away for the winter I am planning to buy a new chute. As happens every time I look at a new sail the same question arises, how do you make a decision between quotes. In my case I'm looking at at quotes between $1700 and $2700 there must be some objective criteria to distinguish between the quotes but I don't know what they are. In every case I'm looking for a .75 oz AP chute used on a reaching course. Any ideas? Most of us don't buy sails often enough to have a large store of experience with vendors. I tend to go by general reputation. The last sail I bought because I know the loft's local rep and he has a good reputation. I like the sail. But my brother is always saying to just type an inquiry in Google and see what comes up. Try the lofts' names and see what others have said. It may produce no info or it may give you some idea of others' experiences, positive and negative. Bear in mind that people are more likely to howl when they're unhappy than to spread praise when they are pleased, and some people howl even when the facts of the matter don't support their unhappiness. But still, you might get helpful info. Chris Campbell