Chris - Boat work - was Took Puffin out in 20 knot winds

Chris - I always thought working on diesel engines in sailboats was a royal pain in the arse but then I was talking to my car mechanic, who is also a sailor, and he told me about changing a starter in a V-8 Lexus and how it is underneath the friggin intake manifold and to get the bolts out he had to use 8 feet of extensions and go in from above the rear axle !!!!!. Coincidentally this meme showed up in my Facebook feed 2 days later and there it is. I showed this to my mechanic and he said this one is different than the Lexus he worked on so it's possible more than one car has this same design!! Ugh . . . Paul West Adventure Kwest Cal 39 From: ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; NEWMAN <d2… [at] gmail.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 24, 2016 5:00 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Took Puffin out in 20 knot winds On 10/24/2016 4:43 PM, NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: Season is still going strong in Va. Wife and I took Puffin out yesterday in a nice blow. Some friends in a Pearson 31 following. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NAOkrOtAY8 Well aren't you lucky! I was changing the oil on my Ranger pickup. The oil filter dribbles all over your arm when you remove it. The oil pan drain pees sideways. What genius invented that design? Then I changed the coolant in the old Mustang GT. The V-8 has two block drains, located in almost inaccessible places. You can reach them if you're lying under them. @#%$&**!!!! What fun. My theory is that engineers who design automotive stuff should be sentenced to service the things they designed, maybe as a condition for an application to enter heaven. I would rather be sailing. But at least I got the chores done. Chris Campbell Cal 20 Martha C

Yes, engineers need real world experience before they finalize designs. I had a S10 pick-up 4wd, skid pads below and exhaust and brake line blocked access from above. You could see the oil filter, but couldn't touch it from either direction. Finally discovered if you lifted the front end to where the tires were off the ground, there was a flap inside the wheel well to put a wrench on the end. I thought it right clever. Until I removed the filter and it drained about a quart onto the lower skid pan, and the drain plug on the pan, drained fine thru the access hole, except the last quart which combined with the oil filter spill. Grrrrrr, £\€|*{!¥ engineers! My Miata oil filter, Pita would drain oil when loosened onto the front cross support, loosen and lay on the cross member from below. The reach in from above and wiggle out between the engine and wheel well. Grrrrr, f+=*?! Japanese engineers. Now the yanmar on the cal 33, no drain plug in the pan. Ok, a pump thru the dipstick tube works. Then the filter, horizontal mount, is behind the engine mount. Leaked oil drips down the block onto the engine mount. Yanmar recommends replacing the mounts every 5 years due to oil weakening the rubber mount. Grrrrrrr, engineers! Cars dripping oil is not a big problem. Trying to keep the boat engine compartment oil free is a chore. Ymmv John Raxter > On Oct 25, 2016, at 2:15 PM, pw… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Chris - > > > I always thought working on diesel engines in sailboats was a royal pain in the arse but then I was talking to my car mechanic, who is also a sailor, and he told me about changing a starter in a V-8 Lexus and how it is underneath the friggin intake manifold and to get the bolts out he had to use 8 feet of extensions and go in from above the rear axle !!!!!. Coincidentally this meme showed up in my Facebook feed 2 days later and there it is. I showed this to my mechanic and he said this one is different than the Lexus he worked on so it's possible more than one car has this same design!! Ugh . . . > > Paul West > Adventure Kwest > Cal 39 > > <why-mechanics-hate-engineers-damn-thats-a-tight-spot-lol-3967616.png> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; NEWMAN <d2… [at] gmail.com> > Sent: Mon, Oct 24, 2016 5:00 pm > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Took Puffin out in 20 knot winds > > > > > On 10/24/2016 4:43 PM, NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > Season is still going strong in Va. Wife and I took Puffin out yesterday in a nice blow. Some friends in a Pearson 31 following. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NAOkrOtAY8 > > Well aren't you lucky! I was changing the oil on my Ranger pickup. The oil filter dribbles all over your arm when you remove it. The oil pan drain pees sideways. What genius invented that design? Then I changed the coolant in the old Mustang GT. The V-8 has two block drains, located in almost inaccessible places. You can reach them if you're lying under them. @#%$&**!!!! What fun. My theory is that engineers who design automotive stuff should be sentenced to service the things they designed, maybe as a condition for an application to enter heaven. > > I would rather be sailing. But at least I got the chores done. > > Chris Campbell > Cal 20 Martha C > > > >

Marines engines lost their oil pan drains due to some owners draining oil into the bilge, then pumping it overboard. They also lost the decompression devise due to liability. *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>*phone & fax (860) 666-2184 * On 10/25/16 4:22 PM, Jraxter jr… [at] triad.rr.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > Yes, engineers need real world experience before they finalize designs. > > I had a S10 pick-up 4wd, skid pads below and exhaust and brake line > blocked access from above. You could see the oil filter, but couldn't > touch it from either direction. Finally discovered if you lifted the > front end to where the tires were off the ground, there was a flap > inside the wheel well to put a wrench on the end. I thought it right > clever. Until I removed the filter and it drained about a quart onto > the lower skid pan, and the drain plug on the pan, drained fine thru > the access hole, except the last quart which combined with the oil > filter spill. Grrrrrr, £\€|*{!¥ engineers! > > My Miata oil filter, Pita would drain oil when loosened onto the front > cross support, loosen and lay on the cross member from below. The > reach in from above and wiggle out between the engine and wheel well. > Grrrrr, f+=*?! Japanese engineers. > > Now the yanmar on the cal 33, no drain plug in the pan. Ok, a pump > thru the dipstick tube works. Then the filter, horizontal mount, is > behind the engine mount. Leaked oil drips down the block onto the > engine mount. Yanmar recommends replacing the mounts every 5 years due > to oil weakening the rubber mount. Grrrrrrr, engineers! > > Cars dripping oil is not a big problem. Trying to keep the boat engine > compartment oil free is a chore. > > Ymmv > > John Raxter > > On Oct 25, 2016, at 2:15 PM, pw… [at] aol.com <mailto:pw… [at] aol.com> > [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > >> Chris - >> >> >> I always thought working on diesel engines in sailboats was a royal >> pain in the arse but then I was talking to my car mechanic, who is >> also a sailor, and he told me about changing a starter in a V-8 Lexus >> and how it is underneath the friggin intake manifold and to get the >> bolts out he had to use 8 feet of extensions and go in from above the >> rear axle !!!!!. Coincidentally this meme showed up in my Facebook >> feed 2 days later and there it is. I showed this to my mechanic and >> he said this one is different than the Lexus he worked on so it's >> possible more than one car has this same design!! Ugh . . . >> >> Paul West >> Adventure Kwest >> Cal 39 >> >> <why-mechanics-hate-engineers-damn-thats-a-tight-spot-lol-3967616.png> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org <mailto:cc… [at] lsnm.org> >> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> >> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>>; NEWMAN <d2… [at] gmail.com >> <mailto:d2… [at] gmail.com>> >> Sent: Mon, Oct 24, 2016 5:00 pm >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Took Puffin out in 20 knot winds >> >> >> >> On 10/24/2016 4:43 PM, NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: >> >> Season is still going strong in Va. Wife and I took Puffin out >> yesterday in a nice blow. Some friends in a Pearson 31 following. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NAOkrOtAY8 >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NAOkrOtAY8> >> >> >> Well aren't you lucky! I was changing the oil on my Ranger pickup. >> The oil filter dribbles all over your arm when you remove it. The >> oil pan drain pees sideways. What genius invented that design? Then >> I changed the coolant in the old Mustang GT. The V-8 has two block >> drains, located in almost inaccessible places. You can reach them if >> you're lying under them. @#%$&**!!!! What fun. My theory is that >> engineers who design automotive stuff should be sentenced to service >> the things they designed, maybe as a condition for an application to >> enter heaven. >> >> I would rather be sailing. But at least I got the chores done. >> >> Chris Campbell >> Cal 20 /Martha C/ >> >> >> >> > > > -- *Joe DeMers - owner* Sound Marine Diesel LLC SoundMarineDiesel.com <http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/>*phone & fax (860) 666-2184*

On 10/25/2016 4:22 PM, Jraxter jr… [at] triad.rr.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > > Cars dripping oil is not a big problem. Trying to keep the boat engine > compartment oil free is a chore. It's not a problem unless you're lying on your back underneath, as I am when doing the oil or coolant change. At least in the boats, you're looking DOWN on it. Gravity is your friend. I had a college roommate once whose idea of fun was shopping for clothes. His dad owned an old gas station with a hydraulic lift. The roommate couldn't care less about that hoist. I was so jealous; I figured that having your own was as close to heaven as one could get. We had different values. Eventually I learned that old gas station = leaking underground tanks = liability, so I've never acquired my own, but I still have fantasies about my very own hydraulic lift. The fantasies attack with special strength whenever I'm lying on the ground under the truck, or worse, under the Mustang, trying the get the @#&*!! hex key on the block drains or the @#&$*!! oil filter off with oil running down my arm and all over the suspension. Long ago I had a '62 Corvair, bought very used and driven very hard by me, a faithful and fun old heap. It didn't just drip oil. It left a signature puddle from that rear main bearing seal. Not a "big problem" unless I was in somebody's clean driveway! Of course, boat ownership has its own special thrills, like sanding and painting the bottom. Chris Campbell > >

On 10/25/2016 4:37 PM, Joe DeMers je… [at] mindspring.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > Marines engines lost their oil pan drains due to some owners draining > oil into the bilge, then pumping it overboard. They also lost the > decompression devise due to liability. > But if the alternative is using a dipstick pump, then pumping overboard becomes a one-step process, not two.... Chris Campbell

I have a small plastic catch jar I use to capture the oil from the oil filter on the Yanmar in my Cal 33. Still a pita that I must do that, but keeps the oil from running down on stuff. I've been trying to remember the worst design. Changed the spark plugs for a friend on their Chevy Impala. I think a late 90's model. You have to remove a motor mount so you can then take a ratchet strap and pull the engine forward so you can then lay on top the motor and get at the three plugs on the firewall side. My 04 Nissan Xterra I had...spark plugs are way down under the intake. Can't hardly see the back one. Just feel with fingers. Several extensions and a universal, all duck taped together so they don't come apart just to change the plugs. Easiest machines I have to work on....my 1973 Ford Bronco, my 1977 Toyota FJ40. My 1949 D2 Caterpillar. On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Jraxter jr… [at] triad.rr.com [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Yes, engineers need real world experience before they finalize designs. > > I had a S10 pick-up 4wd, skid pads below and exhaust and brake line > blocked access from above. You could see the oil filter, but couldn't touch > it from either direction. Finally discovered if you lifted the front end to > where the tires were off the ground, there was a flap inside the wheel well > to put a wrench on the end. I thought it right clever. Until I removed the > filter and it drained about a quart onto the lower skid pan, and the drain > plug on the pan, drained fine thru the access hole, except the last quart > which combined with the oil filter spill. Grrrrrr, £\€|*{!¥ engineers! > > My Miata oil filter, Pita would drain oil when loosened onto the front > cross support, loosen and lay on the cross member from below. The reach in > from above and wiggle out between the engine and wheel well. Grrrrr, > f+=*?! Japanese engineers. > > Now the yanmar on the cal 33, no drain plug in the pan. Ok, a pump thru > the dipstick tube works. Then the filter, horizontal mount, is behind the > engine mount. Leaked oil drips down the block onto the engine mount. Yanmar > recommends replacing the mounts every 5 years due to oil weakening the > rubber mount. Grrrrrrr, engineers! > > Cars dripping oil is not a big problem. Trying to keep the boat engine > compartment oil free is a chore. > > Ymmv > > John Raxter > > On Oct 25, 2016, at 2:15 PM, pw… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats] < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Chris - > > I always thought working on diesel engines in sailboats was a royal pain > in the arse but then I was talking to my car mechanic, who is also a > sailor, and he told me about changing a starter in a V-8 Lexus and how it > is underneath the friggin intake manifold and to get the bolts out he had > to use 8 feet of extensions and go in from above the rear axle !!!!!. > Coincidentally this meme showed up in my Facebook feed 2 days later and > there it is. I showed this to my mechanic and he said this one is > different than the Lexus he worked on so it's possible more than one car > has this same design!! Ugh . . . > > Paul West > Adventure Kwest > Cal 39 > > <why-mechanics-hate-engineers-damn-thats-a-tight-spot-lol-3967616.png> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; NEWMAN <d2… [at] gmail.com> > Sent: Mon, Oct 24, 2016 5:00 pm > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Took Puffin out in 20 knot winds > > > > > On 10/24/2016 4:43 PM, NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > Season is still going strong in Va. Wife and I took Puffin out yesterday > in a nice blow. Some friends in a Pearson 31 following. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NAOkrOtAY8 > > > Well aren't you lucky! I was changing the oil on my Ranger pickup. The > oil filter dribbles all over your arm when you remove it. The oil pan > drain pees sideways. What genius invented that design? Then I changed the > coolant in the old Mustang GT. The V-8 has two block drains, located in > almost inaccessible places. You can reach them if you're lying under > them. @#%$&**!!!! What fun. My theory is that engineers who design > automotive stuff should be sentenced to service the things they designed, > maybe as a condition for an application to enter heaven. > > I would rather be sailing. But at least I got the chores done. > > Chris Campbell > Cal 20 *Martha C* > > > > > >

Chris, I too had the dream of having a lift, which only took 56 years to come true. And it is as much a joy as is imagined. I installed a lift in my shop in 2015 and love it. Bought a Worth brand from Worth in Texas. Great lift, just horrible customer service after the purchase. Luckily the thing is built like a tank. Just was missing some knobs that Worth took about two months to get to me. http://i1363.photobucket.com/albums/r716/gary__seven/Bronco%20Throw%20out%20bearing/Bearing2_zps8qzazmsn.jpg On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 4:50 PM, ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > On 10/25/2016 4:22 PM, Jraxter jr… [at] triad.rr.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > Cars dripping oil is not a big problem. Trying to keep the boat engine > compartment oil free is a chore. > > > It's not a problem unless you're lying on your back underneath, as I am > when doing the oil or coolant change. At least in the boats, you're > looking DOWN on it. Gravity is your friend. > > I had a college roommate once whose idea of fun was shopping for clothes. > His dad owned an old gas station with a hydraulic lift. The roommate > couldn't care less about that hoist. I was so jealous; I figured that > having your own was as close to heaven as one could get. We had different > values. Eventually I learned that old gas station = leaking underground > tanks = liability, so I've never acquired my own, but I still have > fantasies about my very own hydraulic lift. The fantasies attack with > special strength whenever I'm lying on the ground under the truck, or > worse, under the Mustang, trying the get the @#&*!! hex key on the block > drains or the @#&$*!! oil filter off with oil running down my arm and all > over the suspension. > > Long ago I had a '62 Corvair, bought very used and driven very hard by me, > a faithful and fun old heap. It didn't just drip oil. It left a signature > puddle from that rear main bearing seal. Not a "big problem" unless I was > in somebody's clean driveway! > > Of course, boat ownership has its own special thrills, like sanding and > painting the bottom. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > >