Cal 33-2

My wife and I are looking to purchase our first sailboat and have come accoss a 1989 Cal33-2, which is in our price range. The boat has crazing on the deck but is otherwise clean with many updates. I'm looking for opinions as to this boat. We are loking to mostly day sail in Long Island Sound with the potential to make longer trips. Any general comments about the Cal 33-2 are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

33 ft is a big boat for 1st boat ! How much sailing Time do you have? All Cals are Great boats but we prefer the ones made in Costa Mesa. Deck Crazing comes from deck failuer ...with crazing you get water into deck then delamition begins... see if you can "look at" 3 or 4 other cals ...sometimes some boat get "Beat up" and these boat have more crazing . Stuff happens and after, (mini disaster) crazing shows-up.. on our cal 29 (1974) has six hair line marks on the whole boat all from "disaster" docking.. the 33 is still a Great boat even with crazing there' a Cal 36 in Ventura C L for $9000 diesel + more ... we have cals in North Calif. (SF Bay) and so-cal(Newport) if you would like to look ed&helen From: "co… [at] sbcglobal.net" <co… [at] sbcglobal.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 5:13:02 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 My wife and I are looking to purchase our first sailboat and have come accoss a 1989 Cal33-2, which is in our price range. The boat has crazing on the deck but is otherwise clean with many updates. I'm looking for opinions as to this boat. We are loking to mostly day sail in Long Island Sound with the potential to make longer trips. Any general comments about the Cal 33-2 are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

I agree with Helen, 33ft is big for first boat. i've started with a Cal 27 PT and the sailing is the easy part. getting it back into the slip and such is the scary part. it's a lot of boat to get moving backward in a hurry if you weren't going in the right direction forward. I'm afraid when I'm ready to move to something larger there won't be much left of the one I have. Actually she's pretty tough. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 3:48 PM 33 ft is a big boat for 1st boat ! How much sailing Time do you have? All Cals are Great boats but we prefer the ones made in Costa Mesa. Deck Crazing comes from deck failuer ...with crazing you get water into deck then delamition begins... see if you can "look at" 3 or 4 other cals ...sometimes some boat get "Beat up" and these boat have more crazing . Stuff happens and after, (mini disaster) crazing shows-up.. on our cal 29 (1974) has six hair line marks on the whole boat all from "disaster" docking.. the 33 is still a Great boat even with crazing there' a Cal 36 in Ventura C L for $9000 diesel + more ... we have cals in North Calif. (SF Bay) and so-cal(Newport) if you would like to look ed&helen From: "coachkb13@sbcgloba l.net" <coachkb13@sbcglobal .net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 5:13:02 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 My wife and I are looking to purchase our first sailboat and have come accoss a 1989 Cal33-2, which is in our price range. The boat has crazing on the deck but is otherwise clean with many updates. I'm looking for opinions as to this boat. We are loking to mostly day sail in Long Island Sound with the potential to make longer trips. Any general comments about the Cal 33-2 are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

I will have to respectfully disagree on 33 being too big for a first boat. We bought our 33 in 1998, our first boat, period. We had taken sailing classes a few years before, so our skills were almost as new as the boat (to us). We have enjoyed our boat immensely over the past 12 years, and still do! Our cruising grounds have been limited to the Neuse, Pamlico and near shore waters of the Carolinas. We have since chartered with other couples in the BVI and Abacos. (yes, we still count the other couples as friends (G)) The 33 has most lines led back to the cockpit making it easier for single handing (I have almost spoiled the wife) and the boat is easy to handle either sailing or squeezing into a crowded marina slip. The boat move well through the water, and backs easily. We have backed into our slip for the last 10 years. Yes, there is some exciting maneuvers, to the entertainment of our dock mates, but after a cold beer and glass of wine all is usually forgiven (g) There is a sister ship in our marina that the owners took cruising a few years ago, NC to Maine and back. They absolutely had a great time, the boat performed better than imagined (their most terrifying moments were at anchor!). a year later the owner took the boat to the Abacos. Almost single handed most of the way back. Oh, yes they are still married and still enjoying their cal 33! You have read other comments from 33-2 owners, Donald D and others, I cannot add anything to their testimony, except that we totally agree with their recommendations. It is a great boat, coastal cruising, day sailing and even has a great rating racing. You will be challenged to sail to the PHRF rating in most areas. Ymmv john From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jeff theall Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:44 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 I agree with Helen, 33ft is big for first boat. i've started with a Cal 27 PT and the sailing is the easy part. getting it back into the slip and such is the scary part. it's a lot of boat to get moving backward in a hurry if you weren't going in the right direction forward. I'm afraid when I'm ready to move to something larger there won't be much left of the one I have. Actually she's pretty tough. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 3:48 PM 33 ft is a big boat for 1st boat ! How much sailing Time do you have? All Cals are Great boats but we prefer the ones made in Costa Mesa. Deck Crazing comes from deck failuer ...with crazing you get water into deck then delamition begins... see if you can "look at" 3 or 4 other cals ...sometimes some boat get "Beat up" and these boat have more crazing . Stuff happens and after, (mini disaster) crazing shows-up.. on our cal 29 (1974) has six hair line marks on the whole boat all from "disaster" docking.. the 33 is still a Great boat even with crazing there' a Cal 36 in Ventura C L for $9000 diesel + more ... we have cals in North Calif. (SF Bay) and so-cal(Newport) if you would like to look ed&helen _____ From: "coachkb13@sbcgloba l.net" <coachkb13@sbcglobal .net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 5:13:02 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 My wife and I are looking to purchase our first sailboat and have come accoss a 1989 Cal33-2, which is in our price range. The boat has crazing on the deck but is otherwise clean with many updates. I'm looking for opinions as to this boat. We are loking to mostly day sail in Long Island Sound with the potential to make longer trips. Any general comments about the Cal 33-2 are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

I guess we are all different. I had a lot of experience before I bought my Cal 24. My experience included owning a home built cat for a dozen years, which are notorious for lousy handling, failure to come about, getting into irons etc. Usually to come about you stall and go backwards, so you have to reverse your rudders to do that...sorta like a K turn. Reversing your rudder when going backwards when you get in irons and start to go backwards on my Cal won't do S@#T...so prepare to possibly T bone the boats on end ties (boats on end ties should have huge floating protection booms like they have around the aircraft carriers I've seen in San Diego). I've found recently that at slow speeeds the sails will overpower anything you do with the rudder in my Cal, and heading off to gain speed helps rudder power when your tacking with main alone. And if you are undersail in tight quarters don't expect your engine to save your butt if your about to hit a boat, as throwing it in reverse will mostly give you flying spray, foam, noise, and only slightly reduce your speed on impact. Of course, most people don't try docking under sail unless they really know what they are doing...or THINK they know what they are doing. I'm always docking undersail, but my boat only weighs as much as a small car, 3000 lbs. much unlike a Cal33, which weighs as much as a medium size truck, what, about five tons? Anyway, I almost forgot, yeah, I had alot of experience with smaller boats when I got my Cal 24 but still got into a lot of scarey situations. My favorite first one was slowly motoring into the travel lift dock at Annacappa Marine just after buying the boat, for thier advertised low cost pressure wash, no sails up, when the outboard quit and I was coasting at about 2-3 knots squarely at a solid concrete bulkhead, with no escape possible. Luckily they had a 1' by 2' bumper in front of the wall, and aimed for it, and bounced off it with my bow. Whew! When I briefly owned a Cal 25 three years ago, I tried sailing it into the dock, which was 180 degrees to the wind, under mains'l, with my main's boom all the way out, but I still had enough momentum going that I gave the dock a good smack with that 4000 lb boat. Anyway, it's do able to own a 33' boat as a first boat, but I'd get a fair amount of instruction first, and a lot of docking training before I took off with it solo. Maybe that's why 98% of the boats in Marina del Rey are dock queens. People buy a boat thinking it's like driving a car, take the boat out, get scared shitless, and don't do it again because they have post traumatic stress disorder. But it is fun when you see out of control boats, and go to the rescue, and save them. Recently one of my dockmates took his Catalina 25 out, to motor tour the marina, and his just overhauled OB crapped out and siezed mid channel 15 seconds after clearing the docks, and he couldn't restart it. We were able to catch him as he floated helplessly down wind in the basin, as he side swiped a big ketch. While my crew buddy held on to his boat, I proceeded to rig his mainsail up through a tangle of rotted mis-attached lines. I was able to tack the boat back and get it into it's slip, but sadly, though he is a liveaboard, he still hasn't sailed the boat since, just as he hadn't tried sailing the boat for the previous 6 or seven years. Jerry --- On Sun, 5/2/10, jeff theall <je… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: jeff theall <je… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 1:44 PM I agree with Helen, 33ft is big for first boat. i've started with a Cal 27 PT and the sailing is the easy part. getting it back into the slip and such is the scary part. it's a lot of boat to get moving backward in a hurry if you weren't going in the right direction forward. I'm afraid when I'm ready to move to something larger there won't be much left of the one I have. Actually she's pretty tough. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Helen Horn <helenhorn@sbcglobal .net> wrote: From: Helen Horn <helenhorn@sbcglobal .net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 3:48 PM 33 ft is a big boat for 1st boat ! How much sailing Time do you have? All Cals are Great boats but we prefer the ones made in Costa Mesa. Deck Crazing comes from deck failuer ...with crazing you get water into deck then delamition begins... see if you can "look at" 3 or 4 other cals ...sometimes some boat get "Beat up" and these boat have more crazing . Stuff happens and after, (mini disaster) crazing shows-up.. on our cal 29 (1974) has six hair line marks on the whole boat all from "disaster" docking.. the 33 is still a Great boat even with crazing there' a Cal 36 in Ventura C L for $9000 diesel + more ... we have cals in North Calif. (SF Bay) and so-cal(Newport) if you would like to look ed&helen From: "coachkb13@sbcgloba l.net" <coachkb13@sbcglobal .net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 5:13:02 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 My wife and I are looking to purchase our first sailboat and have come accoss a 1989 Cal33-2, which is in our price range. The boat has crazing on the deck but is otherwise clean with many updates. I'm looking for opinions as to this boat. We are loking to mostly day sail in Long Island Sound with the potential to make longer trips. Any general comments about the Cal 33-2 are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

My first and only boat is my L-36. Will not back up except into the wind. Will not turn quickly because of the full keel. Reverse is only good for stopping the boat. I have to push it out of the slip by hand and jump on the bow at the last moment. I still get into trouble getting out of the slip about once every 2 years. I have had the boat for 20 years. I will say that getting into the slip has been easier for the last couple of years. The worst boat handling I have witnessed in our marina was probably a 24 footer. The guy seemed to have no respect for the care needed and ended up needing to get rescued, bent pulpit, and broken window. I say get the boat you want and learn to deal with it. Take crew with you to fend off and go slow. Have respect for the boat and you will be fine. Allen On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:01 PM, john raxter <jr… [at] triad.rr.com> wrote: > > > I will have to respectfully disagree on 33 being too big for a first > boat. We bought our 33 in 1998, our first boat, period. We had taken > sailing classes a few years before, so our skills were almost as new as the > boat (to us). We have enjoyed our boat immensely over the past 12 years, > and still do! Our cruising grounds have been limited to the Neuse, Pamlico > and near shore waters of the Carolinas. We have since chartered with other > couples in the BVI and Abacos. (yes, we still count the other couples as > friends (G)) > > > > The 33 has most lines led back to the cockpit making it easier for single > handing (I have almost spoiled the wife) and the boat is easy to handle > either sailing or squeezing into a crowded marina slip. The boat move well > through the water, and backs easily. We have backed into our slip for the > last 10 years. Yes, there is some exciting maneuvers, to the entertainment > of our dock mates, but after a cold beer and glass of wine all is usually > forgiven (g) > > > > There is a sister ship in our marina that the owners took cruising a few > years ago, NC to Maine and back. They absolutely had a great time, the boat > performed better than imagined (their most terrifying moments were at > anchor!). a year later the owner took the boat to the Abacos. Almost > single handed most of the way back. Oh, yes they are still married and still > enjoying their cal 33! > > > > You have read other comments from 33-2 owners, Donald D and others, I > cannot add anything to their testimony, except that we totally agree with > their recommendations. It is a great boat, coastal cruising, day sailing > and even has a great rating racing. You will be challenged to sail to the > PHRF rating in most areas. > > > > Ymmv > > > > john > > > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *jeff theall > *Sent:* Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:44 PM > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 > > > > > > I agree with Helen, 33ft is big for first boat. i've started with a Cal > 27 PT and the sailing is the easy part. getting it back into the slip and > such is the scary part. it's a lot of boat to get moving backward in a > hurry if you weren't going in the right direction forward. I'm afraid when > I'm ready to move to something larger there won't be much left of the one I > have. Actually she's pretty tough. > > --- On *Sun, 5/2/10, Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net>* wrote: > > > From: Helen Horn <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 3:48 PM > > > > 33 ft is a big boat for 1st boat ! How much sailing Time do you have? All > Cals are Great boats but > we prefer the ones made in Costa Mesa. Deck Crazing comes from deck failuer > ...with crazing > you get water into deck then delamition begins... > see if you can "look at" 3 or 4 other cals ...sometimes > some boat get "Beat up" and these boat have more > crazing . Stuff happens and after, (mini disaster) > crazing shows-up.. on our cal 29 (1974) has six hair line marks on the > whole boat all from "disaster" docking.. the 33 is still a Great boat even > with crazing > there' a Cal 36 in Ventura C L for $9000 diesel + more ... we have cals in > North Calif. (SF Bay) > and so-cal(Newport) if you would like to look > ed&helen > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* "coachkb13@sbcgloba l.net" <coachkb13@sbcglobal .net> > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > *Sent:* Sun, April 25, 2010 5:13:02 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 > > > > My wife and I are looking to purchase our first sailboat and have come > accoss a 1989 Cal33-2, which is in our price range. The boat has crazing on > the deck but is otherwise clean with many updates. I'm looking for opinions > as to this boat. We are loking to mostly day sail in Long Island Sound with > the potential to make longer trips. > > Any general comments about the Cal 33-2 are appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > > > >

I"m so glad I piped in on this one, even if my advise was not as helpful as I'd liked. Last year, at 42, I bought my first sailboat. I grew up in south Louisiana so being on the water was natural, but I had no experience with sailing. After taking my first cruise in a coworkers boat though I knew I had to have one. I'm sure for all the same reasons everyone else does. The first trip out was a disaster. My sailing mentor (USCG certified captain, sailing for 20 yrs) decided we could sail her out of the marina even though the outboard was flooded. After all "it's a sailboat." We got stuck on the rocks after the wind shifted while coming out of a channel with two rock jetties to either side. Luckily a bent rudder shaft was the only physical damage done. My wife still remembers it vividly. Since then we have yet to have an incident free sailing day. The ever problematic outboard accounts for most of the drama. Just this past week I had my crew (wife and two teenage boys) practicing leaving and returning to the slip. We did it over and over until satisfied we learned some valuable lessons. With the tension and shouting at times I'm not sure if this will bring the family together more or not. At the end of a long weekend though everyone was in agreement we were better than when we started. The OB is running much better now (new carb, new fuel filter, etc) and I've learned if I think I'm going to slow I'm probably going to fast. Reading all of these narratives though has only increased my desire to keep going. As I told someone recruiting me to race the other day (yacht club gets points for participating), I'm in hurry to learn, but not in a hurry to be reckless. I appreciate all the time other sailors take to write in this group. Jeff --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 7:01 PM I guess we are all different. I had a lot of experience before I bought my Cal 24. My experience included owning a home built cat for a dozen years, which are notorious for lousy handling, failure to come about, getting into irons etc. Usually to come about you stall and go backwards, so you have to reverse your rudders to do that...sorta like a K turn. Reversing your rudder when going backwards when you get in irons and start to go backwards on my Cal won't do S@#T...so prepare to possibly T bone the boats on end ties (boats on end ties should have huge floating protection booms like they have around the aircraft carriers I've seen in San Diego). I've found recently that at slow speeeds the sails will overpower anything you do with the rudder in my Cal, and heading off to gain speed helps rudder power when your tacking with main alone. And if you are undersail in tight quarters don't expect your engine to save your butt if your about to hit a boat, as throwing it in reverse will mostly give you flying spray, foam, noise, and only slightly reduce your speed on impact. Of course, most people don't try docking under sail unless they really know what they are doing...or THINK they know what they are doing. I'm always docking undersail, but my boat only weighs as much as a small car, 3000 lbs. much unlike a Cal33, which weighs as much as a medium size truck, what, about five tons? Anyway, I almost forgot, yeah, I had alot of experience with smaller boats when I got my Cal 24 but still got into a lot of scarey situations. My favorite first one was slowly motoring into the travel lift dock at Annacappa Marine just after buying the boat, for thier advertised low cost pressure wash, no sails up, when the outboard quit and I was coasting at about 2-3 knots squarely at a solid concrete bulkhead, with no escape possible. Luckily they had a 1' by 2' bumper in front of the wall, and aimed for it, and bounced off it with my bow. Whew! When I briefly owned a Cal 25 three years ago, I tried sailing it into the dock, which was 180 degrees to the wind, under mains'l, with my main's boom all the way out, but I still had enough momentum going that I gave the dock a good smack with that 4000 lb boat. Anyway, it's do able to own a 33' boat as a first boat, but I'd get a fair amount of instruction first, and a lot of docking training before I took off with it solo. Maybe that's why 98% of the boats in Marina del Rey are dock queens. People buy a boat thinking it's like driving a car, take the boat out, get scared shitless, and don't do it again because they have post traumatic stress disorder. But it is fun when you see out of control boats, and go to the rescue, and save them. Recently one of my dockmates took his Catalina 25 out, to motor tour the marina, and his just overhauled OB crapped out and siezed mid channel 15 seconds after clearing the docks, and he couldn't restart it. We were able to catch him as he floated helplessly down wind in the basin, as he side swiped a big ketch. While my crew buddy held on to his boat, I proceeded to rig his mainsail up through a tangle of rotted mis-attached lines. I was able to tack the boat back and get it into it's slip, but sadly, though he is a liveaboard, he still hasn't sailed the boat since, just as he hadn't tried sailing the boat for the previous 6 or seven years. Jerry --- On Sun, 5/2/10, jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 1:44 PM I agree with Helen, 33ft is big for first boat. i've started with a Cal 27 PT and the sailing is the easy part. getting it back into the slip and such is the scary part. it's a lot of boat to get moving backward in a hurry if you weren't going in the right direction forward. I'm afraid when I'm ready to move to something larger there won't be much left of the one I have. Actually she's pretty tough. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Helen Horn <helenhorn@sbcglobal .net> wrote: From: Helen Horn <helenhorn@sbcglobal .net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 3:48 PM 33 ft is a big boat for 1st boat ! How much sailing Time do you have? All Cals are Great boats but we prefer the ones made in Costa Mesa. Deck Crazing comes from deck failuer ...with crazing you get water into deck then delamition begins... see if you can "look at" 3 or 4 other cals ...sometimes some boat get "Beat up" and these boat have more crazing . Stuff happens and after, (mini disaster) crazing shows-up.. on our cal 29 (1974) has six hair line marks on the whole boat all from "disaster" docking.. the 33 is still a Great boat even with crazing there' a Cal 36 in Ventura C L for $9000 diesel + more ... we have cals in North Calif. (SF Bay) and so-cal(Newport) if you would like to look ed&helen From: "coachkb13@sbcgloba l.net" <coachkb13@sbcglobal .net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 5:13:02 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 My wife and I are looking to purchase our first sailboat and have come accoss a 1989 Cal33-2, which is in our price range. The boat has crazing on the deck but is otherwise clean with many updates. I'm looking for opinions as to this boat. We are loking to mostly day sail in Long Island Sound with the potential to make longer trips. Any general comments about the Cal 33-2 are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Jeff, I have had those same experiences. You can crew for someone else and think you are experienced, but when you are the captain it's different. I too, was outboard challanged, had three different ones and they never seemed to like me, refusing to start when needed, etc. Good excuse to move up to a Cal 29, powered by trusty A-4. Starts every time. Well, I installed electronic ignition, new carb and fuel pump, change the impeller every other year. But If necessary I could sail to a dock. The thing to remember motoring or sailing is "GO SLOW!" We've all seen idiots heading for a slip making a wake, then throwing it into reverse at full power to stop. Not smart, or safe. Dumb. And yes they were sailboaters. Shoutout to Charlie Husar, I know of a flat top 25 for sale in Chicago, ready to sail, probably cheep! Regards, David Dobbs Cal 29 411, from NJ?(Makes sense,1972, boat was delivered to Detroit) --- On Sun, 5/2/10, jeff theall <je… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: jeff theall <je… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 6:20 PM I"m so glad I piped in on this one, even if my advise was not as helpful as I'd liked. Last year, at 42, I bought my first sailboat. I grew up in south Louisiana so being on the water was natural, but I had no experience with sailing. After taking my first cruise in a coworkers boat though I knew I had to have one. I'm sure for all the same reasons everyone else does. The first trip out was a disaster. My sailing mentor (USCG certified captain, sailing for 20 yrs) decided we could sail her out of the marina even though the outboard was flooded. After all "it's a sailboat." We got stuck on the rocks after the wind shifted while coming out of a channel with two rock jetties to either side. Luckily a bent rudder shaft was the only physical damage done. My wife still remembers it vividly. Since then we have yet to have an incident free sailing day. The ever problematic outboard accounts for most of the drama. Just this past week I had my crew (wife and two teenage boys) practicing leaving and returning to the slip. We did it over and over until satisfied we learned some valuable lessons. With the tension and shouting at times I'm not sure if this will bring the family together more or not. At the end of a long weekend though everyone was in agreement we were better than when we started. The OB is running much better now (new carb, new fuel filter, etc) and I've learned if I think I'm going to slow I'm probably going to fast. Reading all of these narratives though has only increased my desire to keep going. As I told someone recruiting me to race the other day (yacht club gets points for participating) , I'm in hurry to learn, but not in a hurry to be reckless. I appreciate all the time other sailors take to write in this group. Jeff --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> Subject: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 7:01 PM I guess we are all different. I had a lot of experience before I bought my Cal 24. My experience included owning a home built cat for a dozen years, which are notorious for lousy handling, failure to come about, getting into irons etc. Usually to come about you stall and go backwards, so you have to reverse your rudders to do that...sorta like a K turn. Reversing your rudder when going backwards when you get in irons and start to go backwards on my Cal won't do S@#T...so prepare to possibly T bone the boats on end ties (boats on end ties should have huge floating protection booms like they have around the aircraft carriers I've seen in San Diego). I've found recently that at slow speeeds the sails will overpower anything you do with the rudder in my Cal, and heading off to gain speed helps rudder power when your tacking with main alone. And if you are undersail in tight quarters don't expect your engine to save your butt if your about to hit a boat, as throwing it in reverse will mostly give you flying spray, foam, noise, and only slightly reduce your speed on impact. Of course, most people don't try docking under sail unless they really know what they are doing...or THINK they know what they are doing. I'm always docking undersail, but my boat only weighs as much as a small car, 3000 lbs. much unlike a Cal33, which weighs as much as a medium size truck, what, about five tons? Anyway, I almost forgot, yeah, I had alot of experience with smaller boats when I got my Cal 24 but still got into a lot of scarey situations. My favorite first one was slowly motoring into the travel lift dock at Annacappa Marine just after buying the boat, for thier advertised low cost pressure wash, no sails up, when the outboard quit and I was coasting at about 2-3 knots squarely at a solid concrete bulkhead, with no escape possible. Luckily they had a 1' by 2' bumper in front of the wall, and aimed for it, and bounced off it with my bow. Whew! When I briefly owned a Cal 25 three years ago, I tried sailing it into the dock, which was 180 degrees to the wind, under mains'l, with my main's boom all the way out, but I still had enough momentum going that I gave the dock a good smack with that 4000 lb boat. Anyway, it's do able to own a 33' boat as a first boat, but I'd get a fair amount of instruction first, and a lot of docking training before I took off with it solo. Maybe that's why 98% of the boats in Marina del Rey are dock queens. People buy a boat thinking it's like driving a car, take the boat out, get scared shitless, and don't do it again because they have post traumatic stress disorder. But it is fun when you see out of control boats, and go to the rescue, and save them. Recently one of my dockmates took his Catalina 25 out, to motor tour the marina, and his just overhauled OB crapped out and siezed mid channel 15 seconds after clearing the docks, and he couldn't restart it. We were able to catch him as he floated helplessly down wind in the basin, as he side swiped a big ketch. While my crew buddy held on to his boat, I proceeded to rig his mainsail up through a tangle of rotted mis-attached lines. I was able to tack the boat back and get it into it's slip, but sadly, though he is a liveaboard, he still hasn't sailed the boat since, just as he hadn't tried sailing the boat for the previous 6 or seven years. Jerry --- On Sun, 5/2/10, jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 1:44 PM I agree with Helen, 33ft is big for first boat. i've started with a Cal 27 PT and the sailing is the easy part. getting it back into the slip and such is the scary part. it's a lot of boat to get moving backward in a hurry if you weren't going in the right direction forward. I'm afraid when I'm ready to move to something larger there won't be much left of the one I have. Actually she's pretty tough. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Helen Horn <helenhorn@sbcglobal .net> wrote: From: Helen Horn <helenhorn@sbcglobal .net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 3:48 PM 33 ft is a big boat for 1st boat ! How much sailing Time do you have? All Cals are Great boats but we prefer the ones made in Costa Mesa. Deck Crazing comes from deck failuer ...with crazing you get water into deck then delamition begins... see if you can "look at" 3 or 4 other cals ...sometimes some boat get "Beat up" and these boat have more crazing . Stuff happens and after, (mini disaster) crazing shows-up.. on our cal 29 (1974) has six hair line marks on the whole boat all from "disaster" docking.. the 33 is still a Great boat even with crazing there' a Cal 36 in Ventura C L for $9000 diesel + more ... we have cals in North Calif. (SF Bay) and so-cal(Newport) if you would like to look ed&helen From: "coachkb13@sbcgloba l.net" <coachkb13@sbcglobal .net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 5:13:02 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 My wife and I are looking to purchase our first sailboat and have come accoss a 1989 Cal33-2, which is in our price range. The boat has crazing on the deck but is otherwise clean with many updates. I'm looking for opinions as to this boat. We are loking to mostly day sail in Long Island Sound with the potential to make longer trips. Any general comments about the Cal 33-2 are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

I bought my first boat in Feb. 39.33'. My insurance policy has a $5k deductable which the broker said was high due to my inexperience. So far we've had her out in all kinds of conditions (all double handing) including a day of sustained 30kt winds (not much sail up that day!). So I say if you want a 33' boat, get a 33' boat and have fun!! Everyone I talked with through my journey of finding the right boat for me said that crazing (which my boat doesn't have) is common and due to over-eager application of gelcoat and is nothing more than cosmetic. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@...> wrote: > > My first and only boat is my L-36. Will not back up except into the wind. > Will not turn quickly because of the full keel. Reverse is only good for > stopping the boat. I have to push it out of the slip by hand and jump on the > bow at the last moment. I still get into trouble getting out of the slip > about once every 2 years. I have had the boat for 20 years. I will say > that getting into the slip has been easier for the last couple of years. > The worst boat handling I have witnessed in our marina was probably a 24 > footer. The guy seemed to have no respect for the care needed and ended up > needing to get rescued, bent pulpit, and broken window. > > I say get the boat you want and learn to deal with it. Take crew with you > to fend off and go slow. Have respect for the boat and you will be fine. > > Allen > > > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:01 PM, john raxter <jraxter@...> wrote: > > > > > > > I will have to respectfully disagree on 33 being too big for a first > > boat. We bought our 33 in 1998, our first boat, period. We had taken > > sailing classes a few years before, so our skills were almost as new as the > > boat (to us). We have enjoyed our boat immensely over the past 12 years, > > and still do! Our cruising grounds have been limited to the Neuse, Pamlico > > and near shore waters of the Carolinas. We have since chartered with other > > couples in the BVI and Abacos. (yes, we still count the other couples as > > friends (G)) > > > > > > > > The 33 has most lines led back to the cockpit making it easier for single > > handing (I have almost spoiled the wife) and the boat is easy to handle > > either sailing or squeezing into a crowded marina slip. The boat move well > > through the water, and backs easily. We have backed into our slip for the > > last 10 years. Yes, there is some exciting maneuvers, to the entertainment > > of our dock mates, but after a cold beer and glass of wine all is usually > > forgiven (g) > > > > > > > > There is a sister ship in our marina that the owners took cruising a few > > years ago, NC to Maine and back. They absolutely had a great time, the boat > > performed better than imagined (their most terrifying moments were at > > anchor!). a year later the owner took the boat to the Abacos. Almost > > single handed most of the way back. Oh, yes they are still married and still > > enjoying their cal 33! > > > > > > > > You have read other comments from 33-2 owners, Donald D and others, I > > cannot add anything to their testimony, except that we totally agree with > > their recommendations. It is a great boat, coastal cruising, day sailing > > and even has a great rating racing. You will be challenged to sail to the > > PHRF rating in most areas. > > > > > > > > Ymmv > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > > Behalf Of *jeff theall > > *Sent:* Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:44 PM > > > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Helen, 33ft is big for first boat. i've started with a Cal > > 27 PT and the sailing is the easy part. getting it back into the slip and > > such is the scary part. it's a lot of boat to get moving backward in a > > hurry if you weren't going in the right direction forward. I'm afraid when > > I'm ready to move to something larger there won't be much left of the one I > > have. Actually she's pretty tough. > > > > --- On *Sun, 5/2/10, Helen Horn <helenhorn@...>* wrote: > > > > > > From: Helen Horn <helenhorn@...> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 3:48 PM > > > > > > > > 33 ft is a big boat for 1st boat ! How much sailing Time do you have? All > > Cals are Great boats but > > we prefer the ones made in Costa Mesa. Deck Crazing comes from deck failuer > > ...with crazing > > you get water into deck then delamition begins... > > see if you can "look at" 3 or 4 other cals ...sometimes > > some boat get "Beat up" and these boat have more > > crazing . Stuff happens and after, (mini disaster) > > crazing shows-up.. on our cal 29 (1974) has six hair line marks on the > > whole boat all from "disaster" docking.. the 33 is still a Great boat even > > with crazing > > there' a Cal 36 in Ventura C L for $9000 diesel + more ... we have cals in > > North Calif. (SF Bay) > > and so-cal(Newport) if you would like to look > > ed&helen > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* "coachkb13@sbcgloba l.net" <coachkb13@sbcglobal .net> > > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > *Sent:* Sun, April 25, 2010 5:13:02 PM > > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 > > > > > > > > My wife and I are looking to purchase our first sailboat and have come > > accoss a 1989 Cal33-2, which is in our price range. The boat has crazing on > > the deck but is otherwise clean with many updates. I'm looking for opinions > > as to this boat. We are loking to mostly day sail in Long Island Sound with > > the potential to make longer trips. > > > > Any general comments about the Cal 33-2 are appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > >

I think that it is best to carefully check the crazing. A common cause on older boats is a leak at some deck fitting. This leak can cause the plywood or balsa to rot. This rotting cause a void between the two layers of laminate. Then when pressure is applied to the top laminate the laminate cracks. We also call this crazing. This in turn may provide additional leaking. If one is going to invest say $10,000 in a boat and wants to get an idea about any potential deck moisture invest in a T33 Electophysis moisture meter and check the entire deck including any crazing prior to hiring a surveyor. ----- Original Message ----- From: r_michael_taylor To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 33-2 I bought my first boat in Feb. 39.33'. My insurance policy has a $5k deductable which the broker said was high due to my inexperience. So far we've had her out in all kinds of conditions (all double handing) including a day of sustained 30kt winds (not much sail up that day!). So I say if you want a 33' boat, get a 33' boat and have fun!! Everyone I talked with through my journey of finding the right boat for me said that crazing (which my boat doesn't have) is common and due to over-eager application of gelcoat and is nothing more than cosmetic. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@...> wrote: > > My first and only boat is my L-36. Will not back up except into the wind. > Will not turn quickly because of the full keel. Reverse is only good for > stopping the boat. I have to push it out of the slip by hand and jump on the > bow at the last moment. I still get into trouble getting out of the slip > about once every 2 years. I have had the boat for 20 years. I will say > that getting into the slip has been easier for the last couple of years. > The worst boat handling I have witnessed in our marina was probably a 24 > footer. The guy seemed to have no respect for the care needed and ended up > needing to get rescued, bent pulpit, and broken window. > > I say get the boat you want and learn to deal with it. Take crew with you > to fend off and go slow. Have respect for the boat and you will be fine. > > Allen > > > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:01 PM, john raxter <jraxter@...> wrote: > > > > > > > I will have to respectfully disagree on 33 being too big for a first > > boat. We bought our 33 in 1998, our first boat, period. We had taken > > sailing classes a few years before, so our skills were almost as new as the > > boat (to us). We have enjoyed our boat immensely over the past 12 years, > > and still do! Our cruising grounds have been limited to the Neuse, Pamlico > > and near shore waters of the Carolinas. We have since chartered with other > > couples in the BVI and Abacos. (yes, we still count the other couples as > > friends (G)) > > > > > > > > The 33 has most lines led back to the cockpit making it easier for single > > handing (I have almost spoiled the wife) and the boat is easy to handle > > either sailing or squeezing into a crowded marina slip. The boat move well > > through the water, and backs easily. We have backed into our slip for the > > last 10 years. Yes, there is some exciting maneuvers, to the entertainment > > of our dock mates, but after a cold beer and glass of wine all is usually > > forgiven (g) > > > > > > > > There is a sister ship in our marina that the owners took cruising a few > > years ago, NC to Maine and back. They absolutely had a great time, the boat > > performed better than imagined (their most terrifying moments were at > > anchor!). a year later the owner took the boat to the Abacos. Almost > > single handed most of the way back. Oh, yes they are still married and still > > enjoying their cal 33! > > > > > > > > You have read other comments from 33-2 owners, Donald D and others, I > > cannot add anything to their testimony, except that we totally agree with > > their recommendations. It is a great boat, coastal cruising, day sailing > > and even has a great rating racing. You will be challenged to sail to the > > PHRF rating in most areas. > > > > > > > > Ymmv > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > > Behalf Of *jeff theall > > *Sent:* Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:44 PM > > > > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with Helen, 33ft is big for first boat. i've started with a Cal > > 27 PT and the sailing is the easy part. getting it back into the slip and > > such is the scary part. it's a lot of boat to get moving backward in a > > hurry if you weren't going in the right direction forward. I'm afraid when > > I'm ready to move to something larger there won't be much left of the one I > > have. Actually she's pretty tough. > > > > --- On *Sun, 5/2/10, Helen Horn <helenhorn@...>* wrote: > > > > > > From: Helen Horn <helenhorn@...> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 3:48 PM > > > > > > > > 33 ft is a big boat for 1st boat ! How much sailing Time do you have? All > > Cals are Great boats but > > we prefer the ones made in Costa Mesa. Deck Crazing comes from deck failuer > > ...with crazing > > you get water into deck then delamition begins... > > see if you can "look at" 3 or 4 other cals ...sometimes > > some boat get "Beat up" and these boat have more > > crazing . Stuff happens and after, (mini disaster) > > crazing shows-up.. on our cal 29 (1974) has six hair line marks on the > > whole boat all from "disaster" docking.. the 33 is still a Great boat even > > with crazing > > there' a Cal 36 in Ventura C L for $9000 diesel + more ... we have cals in > > North Calif. (SF Bay) > > and so-cal(Newport) if you would like to look > > ed&helen > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* "coachkb13@sbcgloba l.net" <coachkb13@sbcglobal .net> > > *To:* Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com > > *Sent:* Sun, April 25, 2010 5:13:02 PM > > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 > > > > > > > > My wife and I are looking to purchase our first sailboat and have come > > accoss a 1989 Cal33-2, which is in our price range. The boat has crazing on > > the deck but is otherwise clean with many updates. I'm looking for opinions > > as to this boat. We are loking to mostly day sail in Long Island Sound with > > the potential to make longer trips. > > > > Any general comments about the Cal 33-2 are appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > >

Just wanted to pipe in on docking... my husband and I moved up to a 42 from a 32 a year and a half ago (ok no we do not own a Cal, I just lust after them). We are partners with another couple who have never owned a boat but have done a lot of sailing-though not much skippering or docking. From our experiences with us all trying to learn to dock a 42 footer it is best to save the yelling for when someone is going to die/be seriously injured or serious property damage is about to occur. Having people stationed to fend off (if it is safe!) and encourage everyone to remain calm and speak normally (or use hand signals!!) unless above dire conditions are met makes it a MUCH more pleasant experience for all! I am still the weakest at docking the beast but everyone was nice enough to not start screaming as I was headed straight for the concrete piling on my last attempt, and I was able (with my husband's help) to remain calm (since nobody was freaking out) and back down to take another shot at the slip. Having those huge wheels on the corners of the dock helps take the stress off, too. :) I also read some good advice to take the boat out at slack tide on a calm day and practice maneuvering it around a fixed object like a mark to learn how she handles under motor (responsiveness, prop walk, etc) THEN try docking. Not that I have actually taken the time to do that. Jeff I bet you got a lot out of that day of practice!!! I can only agree that the sailing is the easy part and the docking and maneuvering in close quarters is where the terror comes in. When we first got the boat we had all kinds of engine troubles and had some terrifying experiences drifting around in shipping channels rushing to get the sails up and also sailing into unfamiliar slips (we almost crashed into a VERY nice boat in San Diego LOL). We have since had to sail into our regular slip twice and luckily had friends on the dock to "catch" us. Since then we have the motor running like a charm but it is good to understand the best methods to sail into the slip should you ever need to-you never know. I am always comforted by my husbands having MANY more years of sailing experience than I do (I have seven years) but my hat is off to those adventurous spirits who plunge in and buy a boat with little to no experience! Fantastic. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, jeff theall <jeffreytheall@...> wrote: ...Just this past week I had my crew (wife and two teenage boys) practicing leaving and returning to the slip. We did it over and over until satisfied we learned some valuable lessons. With the tension and shouting at times I'm not sure if this will bring the family together more or not. At the end of a long weekend though everyone was in agreement we were better than when we started. The OB is running much better now (new carb, new fuel filter, etc) and I've learned if I think I'm going to slow I'm probably going to fast. ... Jeff

On our Cal-25 the only time the Admiral would drive (she didn't like the tiller) was when we were docking. As we approached the slip, she would take the helm and guide us in, also controlling the velocity with the engine. She did this so well it always amazed me that I couldn't get her to take the helm when we were sailing. On the Cal-33, she will not drive while docking, but will while sailing/powering in open water. I think the mass of the 33 just imtimidates her. Regarding the 33, we back into our slip on a dock in a relatively small harbor which is a great hurricane hole. Seldom any significant wind and almost never any current, except after heavy rains when a creek flushes out right past the dock. I come in under power at "drift" speed, turn it up so that the stern is facing in the generally right direction and go astern. She walks a little to port while gaining way, but not bad. As soon as I am in position to go astern, I go forward of the binnacle and steer facing aft. She drives just like a car. Turn the wheel right, it goes right, left and it goes left. I put it in gear occasionally to keep enough way on and stop motion with a burst of forward throttle when in position. The Admiral handles the lines. Al 1974 Cal-25 #1693 "Sweet Mary" (for another month, donating to "Heart of Sailing") 1985 Cal-33 #0026 "Short Wave" --- On Mon, 5/3/10, pineapplegirlc320 <sa… [at] hotmail.com> wrote: snip.....

Thanks, David. I'll inform the Detroit/Port Huron contingent. On the boat handling thing - from a previous note (pineapplegirl?): "I also read some good advice to take the boat out at slack tide on a calm day and practice maneuvering it around a fixed object like a mark to learn how she handles under motor (responsiveness, prop walk, etc) THEN try docking. Not that I have actually taken the time to do that. Jeff I bet you got a lot out of that day of practice!!!" I also highly recommend the maneuvering practice out where there isn't much you can bust up. This would be both motor (especially reverse) AND sail. Try to stop the boat near some object under all different points of wind. It is an intriguing set of exercises. Can be very useful for emergency docking and for man overboard. Will take several sessions to get different wind conditions. Also very good to find out the radius under which you can spin the boat 180 degrees. Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:41 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2(Jeff) Jeff, I have had those same experiences. You can crew for someone else and think you are experienced, but when you are the captain it's different. I too, was outboard challanged, had three different ones and they never seemed to like me, refusing to start when needed, etc. Good excuse to move up to a Cal 29, powered by trusty A-4. Starts every time. Well, I installed electronic ignition, new carb and fuel pump, change the impeller every other year. But If necessary I could sail to a dock. The thing to remember motoring or sailing is "GO SLOW!" We've all seen idiots heading for a slip making a wake, then throwing it into reverse at full power to stop. Not smart, or safe. Dumb. And yes they were sailboaters. Shoutout to Charlie Husar, I know of a flat top 25 for sale in Chicago, ready to sail, probably cheep! Regards, David Dobbs Cal 29 411, from NJ?(Makes sense,1972, boat was delivered to Detroit) --- On Sun, 5/2/10, jeff theall <je… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: jeff theall <je… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 6:20 PM I"m so glad I piped in on this one, even if my advise was not as helpful as I'd liked. Last year, at 42, I bought my first sailboat. I grew up in south Louisiana so being on the water was natural, but I had no experience with sailing. After taking my first cruise in a coworkers boat though I knew I had to have one. I'm sure for all the same reasons everyone else does. The first trip out was a disaster. My sailing mentor (USCG certified captain, sailing for 20 yrs) decided we could sail her out of the marina even though the outboard was flooded. After all "it's a sailboat." We got stuck on the rocks after the wind shifted while coming out of a channel with two rock jetties to either side. Luckily a bent rudder shaft was the only physical damage done. My wife still remembers it vividly. Since then we have yet to have an incident free sailing day. The ever problematic outboard accounts for most of the drama. Just this past week I had my crew (wife and two teenage boys) practicing leaving and returning to the slip. We did it over and over until satisfied we learned some valuable lessons. With the tension and shouting at times I'm not sure if this will bring the family together more or not. At the end of a long weekend though everyone was in agreement we were better than when we started. The OB is running much better now (new carb, new fuel filter, etc) and I've learned if I think I'm going to slow I'm probably going to fast. Reading all of these narratives though has only increased my desire to keep going. As I told someone recruiting me to race the other day (yacht club gets points for participating) , I'm in hurry to learn, but not in a hurry to be reckless. I appreciate all the time other sailors take to write in this group. Jeff --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> Subject: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 7:01 PM I guess we are all different. I had a lot of experience before I bought my Cal 24. My experience included owning a home built cat for a dozen years, which are notorious for lousy handling, failure to come about, getting into irons etc. Usually to come about you stall and go backwards, so you have to reverse your rudders to do that...sorta like a K turn. Reversing your rudder when going backwards when you get in irons and start to go backwards on my Cal won't do S@#T...so prepare to possibly T bone the boats on end ties (boats on end ties should have huge floating protection booms like they have around the aircraft carriers I've seen in San Diego). I've found recently that at slow speeeds the sails will overpower anything you do with the rudder in my Cal, and heading off to gain speed helps rudder power when your tacking with main alone. And if you are undersail in tight quarters don't expect your engine to save your butt if your about to hit a boat, as throwing it in reverse will mostly give you flying spray, foam, noise, and only slightly reduce your speed on impact. Of course, most people don't try docking under sail unless they really know what they are doing...or THINK they know what they are doing. I'm always docking undersail, but my boat only weighs as much as a small car, 3000 lbs. much unlike a Cal33, which weighs as much as a medium size truck, what, about five tons? Anyway, I almost forgot, yeah, I had alot of experience with smaller boats when I got my Cal 24 but still got into a lot of scarey situations. My favorite first one was slowly motoring into the travel lift dock at Annacappa Marine just after buying the boat, for thier advertised low cost pressure wash, no sails up, when the outboard quit and I was coasting at about 2-3 knots squarely at a solid concrete bulkhead, with no escape possible. Luckily they had a 1' by 2' bumper in front of the wall, and aimed for it, and bounced off it with my bow. Whew! When I briefly owned a Cal 25 three years ago, I tried sailing it into the dock, which was 180 degrees to the wind, under mains'l, with my main's boom all the way out, but I still had enough momentum going that I gave the dock a good smack with that 4000 lb boat. Anyway, it's do able to own a 33' boat as a first boat, but I'd get a fair amount of instruction first, and a lot of docking training before I took off with it solo. Maybe that's why 98% of the boats in Marina del Rey are dock queens. People buy a boat thinking it's like driving a car, take the boat out, get scared shitless, and don't do it again because they have post traumatic stress disorder. But it is fun when you see out of control boats, and go to the rescue, and save them. Recently one of my dockmates took his Catalina 25 out, to motor tour the marina, and his just overhauled OB crapped out and siezed mid channel 15 seconds after clearing the docks, and he couldn't restart it. We were able to catch him as he floated helplessly down wind in the basin, as he side swiped a big ketch. While my crew buddy held on to his boat, I proceeded to rig his mainsail up through a tangle of rotted mis-attached lines. I was able to tack the boat back and get it into it's slip, but sadly, though he is a liveaboard, he still hasn't sailed the boat since, just as he hadn't tried sailing the boat for the previous 6 or seven years. Jerry --- On Sun, 5/2/10, jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 1:44 PM I agree with Helen, 33ft is big for first boat. i've started with a Cal 27 PT and the sailing is the easy part. getting it back into the slip and such is the scary part. it's a lot of boat to get moving backward in a hurry if you weren't going in the right direction forward. I'm afraid when I'm ready to move to something larger there won't be much left of the one I have. Actually she's pretty tough. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Helen Horn <helenhorn@sbcglobal .net> wrote: From: Helen Horn <helenhorn@sbcglobal .net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 3:48 PM 33 ft is a big boat for 1st boat ! How much sailing Time do you have? All Cals are Great boats but we prefer the ones made in Costa Mesa. Deck Crazing comes from deck failuer ...with crazing you get water into deck then delamition begins... see if you can "look at" 3 or 4 other cals ...sometimes some boat get "Beat up" and these boat have more crazing . Stuff happens and after, (mini disaster) crazing shows-up.. on our cal 29 (1974) has six hair line marks on the whole boat all from "disaster" docking.. the 33 is still a Great boat even with crazing there' a Cal 36 in Ventura C L for $9000 diesel + more ... we have cals in North Calif. (SF Bay) and so-cal(Newport) if you would like to look ed&helen From: "coachkb13@sbcgloba l.net" <coachkb13@sbcglobal .net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 5:13:02 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 My wife and I are looking to purchase our first sailboat and have come accoss a 1989 Cal33-2, which is in our price range. The boat has crazing on the deck but is otherwise clean with many updates. I'm looking for opinions as to this boat. We are loking to mostly day sail in Long Island Sound with the potential to make longer trips. Any general comments about the Cal 33-2 are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

As this has become a how to dock, I thought I would chime in. I am sure I have the hardest boat to dock on this list. I do not recommend this but here is what I do. When standing at the tiller I am at the dock 2 1/2 boats from my slip, going 2 knots, I go hard over with the tiller. I adjust slightly to go into the slip (downwind) and put it in reverse to slow the boat. I jump off and take my single line off (see below) and wrap it around a cleat to completely stop the boat. That said, I doubt anyone on this list would have to come in at 2 knots or would have to have a downwind slip. My boat wants to back into the wind and an upwind slip just wants to turn the boat and I can't get in at any sane speed. Now for some useful advice. 1) When going into a slip, or any other tight quarters, look out over the water and visualize the path you want to take. If you are going wide of the path you visualized, turn a little harder. If you are going too tight, back off on the tiller. An airline pilot/ boat owner taught me that and it is wonderful advice. 2) Make a line that goes from mid ship, to the aft dock cleat, and back to the stern. Mark with a red tracer spliced into the line where the line hits the cleat. When you come into the dock, jump off with the line and single wrap it on the cleat. Slow the boat until you get to the red tracer and hold it there. When the boat stops against the line, the stern will try and swing out and you can pull it in with the other end of the line. 3) A friend uses a variation of this and has a line on the dock with a carabiner on the end and he jumps onto the dock and clips the boat as it goes by. The line will stop the boat. He goes in much more slowly that I do (because he has steerage at slow speed and I don't) so he can then walk up to the bow and hold the boat centered. I still remember my first docking 20 years ago. Bow centered on the slip finger, throw it in forward and gun it to stop (sounds backwards? It is). My crew held the boat off the dock until I figured out I should not be in forward and nothing was damaged. Once I figured out how long it took the boat to turn, and where I had to start my turn, I took a paintbrush and marked the appropriate dock so I knew where to take the tiller hard over. By the way, I check the wind and adjust my turn location as required. Allen L-36 #5 Papoose

My favourite piece of advice was: 'Approach the dock at the speed you are happy to hit it. Any faster might make you unhappy.' When sailing, the object is to enjoy - don't do things you don't enjoy. - Nick From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:24 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] RE: Suitable first boat? Thanks, David. I'll inform the Detroit/Port Huron contingent. On the boat handling thing - from a previous note (pineapplegirl?): "I also read some good advice to take the boat out at slack tide on a calm day and practice maneuvering it around a fixed object like a mark to learn how she handles under motor (responsiveness, prop walk, etc) THEN try docking. Not that I have actually taken the time to do that. Jeff I bet you got a lot out of that day of practice!!!" I also highly recommend the maneuvering practice out where there isn't much you can bust up. This would be both motor (especially reverse) AND sail. Try to stop the boat near some object under all different points of wind. It is an intriguing set of exercises. Can be very useful for emergency docking and for man overboard. Will take several sessions to get different wind conditions. Also very good to find out the radius under which you can spin the boat 180 degrees. Cheers Charlie

Whether sailing or motoring down the channel and into the slip as wisely stated in the below thread "GO SLOW" go as slow as you can with out loosing way. I practice the approach into my upwind slip at almost a adrift. When sailing into the slip single handed or with crew, I tack up the marina's main channel on mainsail alone. At final beam reach down the channel to our slip, I immediately and completely depower the main ..... push it all the way out to the knot at the end, then grab all of the mainsheet lines coming off the boom and when I am slowing just enough to making steerage, I pull the boom in a little, just enough to keep the boat moving. I usually will keep the boom out most of the time (careful not to catch your boom on another boat) I drift my way into the final approach where I make the turn into the slip....I am barely moving. Before sailing up the first channel, I rig a spring line on the cabin top winch which threads under the lifelines and back over the top lifeline into the cockpit. When I get to where I can safely jump onto the dock, I grab the springline and jump. Quickly wrap the spring line around the end of the aft dock cleat and ease the line a few inches as the tension increases from the weight of the boat. Then let the boat rotate on the spring line gently against the slip. This works like a charm! AGAIN "GO SLOW" Before sailing the 2-29 in single handed, I gained the experience another Cal 29 with crew where we religiously sail into the slip. Eventually,I tested all of the above maneuvers with crew on standby. This one step at a time experience gave me confidence in the boat as well as in my ability to sail her SLOW enough that I could do it slip single handed. Lastly, I do not recommend sailing in without first getting adequate instruction and experience on preferably another boat that routeenly sails in. Mark Cal 2-29 San Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: david dobbs To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2(Jeff) Jeff, I have had those same experiences. You can crew for someone else and think you are experienced, but when you are the captain it's different. I too, was outboard challanged, had three different ones and they never seemed to like me, refusing to start when needed, etc. Good excuse to move up to a Cal 29, powered by trusty A-4. Starts every time. Well, I installed electronic ignition, new carb and fuel pump, change the impeller every other year. But If necessary I could sail to a dock. The thing to remember motoring or sailing is "GO SLOW!" We've all seen idiots heading for a slip making a wake, then throwing it into reverse at full power to stop. Not smart, or safe. Dumb. And yes they were sailboaters. Shoutout to Charlie Husar, I know of a flat top 25 for sale in Chicago, ready to sail, probably cheep! Regards, David Dobbs Cal 29 411, from NJ?(Makes sense,1972, boat was delivered to Detroit) --- On Sun, 5/2/10, jeff theall <je… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: From: jeff theall <je… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 6:20 PM I"m so glad I piped in on this one, even if my advise was not as helpful as I'd liked. Last year, at 42, I bought my first sailboat. I grew up in south Louisiana so being on the water was natural, but I had no experience with sailing. After taking my first cruise in a coworkers boat though I knew I had to have one. I'm sure for all the same reasons everyone else does. The first trip out was a disaster. My sailing mentor (USCG certified captain, sailing for 20 yrs) decided we could sail her out of the marina even though the outboard was flooded. After all "it's a sailboat." We got stuck on the rocks after the wind shifted while coming out of a channel with two rock jetties to either side. Luckily a bent rudder shaft was the only physical damage done. My wife still remembers it vividly. Since then we have yet to have an incident free sailing day. The ever problematic outboard accounts for most of the drama. Just this past week I had my crew (wife and two teenage boys) practicing leaving and returning to the slip. We did it over and over until satisfied we learned some valuable lessons. With the tension and shouting at times I'm not sure if this will bring the family together more or not. At the end of a long weekend though everyone was in agreement we were better than when we started. The OB is running much better now (new carb, new fuel filter, etc) and I've learned if I think I'm going to slow I'm probably going to fast. Reading all of these narratives though has only increased my desire to keep going. As I told someone recruiting me to race the other day (yacht club gets points for participating) , I'm in hurry to learn, but not in a hurry to be reckless. I appreciate all the time other sailors take to write in this group. Jeff --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> Subject: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 7:01 PM I guess we are all different. I had a lot of experience before I bought my Cal 24. My experience included owning a home built cat for a dozen years, which are notorious for lousy handling, failure to come about, getting into irons etc. Usually to come about you stall and go backwards, so you have to reverse your rudders to do that...sorta like a K turn. Reversing your rudder when going backwards when you get in irons and start to go backwards on my Cal won't do S@#T...so prepare to possibly T bone the boats on end ties (boats on end ties should have huge floating protection booms like they have around the aircraft carriers I've seen in San Diego). I've found recently that at slow speeeds the sails will overpower anything you do with the rudder in my Cal, and heading off to gain speed helps rudder power when your tacking with main alone. And if you are undersail in tight quarters don't expect your engine to save your butt if your about to hit a boat, as throwing it in reverse will mostly give you flying spray, foam, noise, and only slightly reduce your speed on impact. Of course, most people don't try docking under sail unless they really know what they are doing...or THINK they know what they are doing. I'm always docking undersail, but my boat only weighs as much as a small car, 3000 lbs. much unlike a Cal33, which weighs as much as a medium size truck, what, about five tons? Anyway, I almost forgot, yeah, I had alot of experience with smaller boats when I got my Cal 24 but still got into a lot of scarey situations. My favorite first one was slowly motoring into the travel lift dock at Annacappa Marine just after buying the boat, for thier advertised low cost pressure wash, no sails up, when the outboard quit and I was coasting at about 2-3 knots squarely at a solid concrete bulkhead, with no escape possible. Luckily they had a 1' by 2' bumper in front of the wall, and aimed for it, and bounced off it with my bow. Whew! When I briefly owned a Cal 25 three years ago, I tried sailing it into the dock, which was 180 degrees to the wind, under mains'l, with my main's boom all the way out, but I still had enough momentum going that I gave the dock a good smack with that 4000 lb boat. Anyway, it's do able to own a 33' boat as a first boat, but I'd get a fair amount of instruction first, and a lot of docking training before I took off with it solo. Maybe that's why 98% of the boats in Marina del Rey are dock queens. People buy a boat thinking it's like driving a car, take the boat out, get scared shitless, and don't do it again because they have post traumatic stress disorder. But it is fun when you see out of control boats, and go to the rescue, and save them. Recently one of my dockmates took his Catalina 25 out, to motor tour the marina, and his just overhauled OB crapped out and siezed mid channel 15 seconds after clearing the docks, and he couldn't restart it. We were able to catch him as he floated helplessly down wind in the basin, as he side swiped a big ketch. While my crew buddy held on to his boat, I proceeded to rig his mainsail up through a tangle of rotted mis-attached lines. I was able to tack the boat back and get it into it's slip, but sadly, though he is a liveaboard, he still hasn't sailed the boat since, just as he hadn't tried sailing the boat for the previous 6 or seven years. Jerry --- On Sun, 5/2/10, jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> wrote: From: jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 1:44 PM I agree with Helen, 33ft is big for first boat. i've started with a Cal 27 PT and the sailing is the easy part. getting it back into the slip and such is the scary part. it's a lot of boat to get moving backward in a hurry if you weren't going in the right direction forward. I'm afraid when I'm ready to move to something larger there won't be much left of the one I have. Actually she's pretty tough. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Helen Horn <helenhorn@sbcglobal .net> wrote: From: Helen Horn <helenhorn@sbcglobal .net> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 3:48 PM 33 ft is a big boat for 1st boat ! How much sailing Time do you have? All Cals are Great boats but we prefer the ones made in Costa Mesa. Deck Crazing comes from deck failuer ...with crazing you get water into deck then delamition begins... see if you can "look at" 3 or 4 other cals ...sometimes some boat get "Beat up" and these boat have more crazing . Stuff happens and after, (mini disaster) crazing shows-up.. on our cal 29 (1974) has six hair line marks on the whole boat all from "disaster" docking.. the 33 is still a Great boat even with crazing there' a Cal 36 in Ventura C L for $9000 diesel + more ... we have cals in North Calif. (SF Bay) and so-cal(Newport) if you would like to look ed&helen ------------------------------------------------ From: "coachkb13@sbcgloba l.net" <coachkb13@sbcglobal .net> To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 5:13:02 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 My wife and I are looking to purchase our first sailboat and have come accoss a 1989 Cal33-2, which is in our price range. The boat has crazing on the deck but is otherwise clean with many updates. I'm looking for opinions as to this boat. We are loking to mostly day sail in Long Island Sound with the potential to make longer trips. Any general comments about the Cal 33-2 are appreciated. Thanks in advance. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5083 (20100503) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5083 (20100503) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I once hit a dock pretty hard when my engine quit and I had a strong tailwind shortly after I got the boat and before I rigged the spring line to stop her. She lifted up pretty far on the dock and took out a piece of the bow made up of a combination of wood and Bondo. Guess I wasn't the first to hit the dock. I should have said explicitly in a previous post, go as slow as you can but fast enough so you can steer. For my boat, that happens to be 2 knots but that is way too fast for any modern boat like any Cal boat. How about some guidance for new boat owners? 1/2 knot about right? Allen On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Nick <Ni… [at] shaw.ca> wrote: > > > My favourite piece of advice was: 'Approach the dock at the speed you are > happy to hit it. Any faster might make you unhappy.' When sailing, the > object is to enjoy - don't do things you don't enjoy. > > - Nick > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Husar, Charlie [USA] > *Sent:* Monday, May 03, 2010 7:24 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] RE: Suitable first boat? > > > > Thanks, David. I'll inform the Detroit/Port Huron contingent. > > On the boat handling thing - from a previous note (pineapplegirl?): > > "I also read some good advice to take the boat out at slack tide on a calm > day and practice maneuvering it around a fixed object like a mark to learn > how she handles under motor (responsiveness, prop walk, etc) THEN try > docking. Not that I have actually taken the time to do that. Jeff I bet you > got a lot out of that day of practice!!!" > > I also highly recommend the maneuvering practice out where there isn't much > you can bust up. This would be both motor (especially reverse) AND sail. > Try to stop the boat near some object under all different points of wind. > It is an intriguing set of exercises. Can be very useful for emergency > docking and for man overboard. Will take several sessions to get different > wind conditions. > > Also very good to find out the radius under which you can spin the boat 180 > degrees. > > Cheers > Charlie > > > > > >

just under 1 knot for my Cal. Most of the time if someone is helping they have to finish pulling the boat into the slip. Bob Connell "Jollygood!", Cal 31, #59 Olympia, WA From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] PaloAltoPhoto.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 8:30:47 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] RE: Suitable first boat? I once hit a dock pretty hard when my engine quit and I had a strong tailwind shortly after I got the boat and before I rigged the spring line to stop her. She lifted up pretty far on the dock and took out a piece of the bow made up of a combination of wood and Bondo. Guess I wasn't the first to hit the dock. I should have said explicitly in a previous post, go as slow as you can but fast enough so you can steer. For my boat, that happens to be 2 knots but that is way too fast for any modern boat like any Cal boat. How about some guidance for new boat owners? 1/2 knot about right? Allen On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Nick <Nick.Evans@shaw. ca> wrote: >My favourite piece of advice was: 'Approach the dock at the speed you are happy to hit it. Any faster might make you unhappy.' When sailing, the object is to enjoy - don't do things you don't enjoy. > >- Nick > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Husar, Charlie [USA] >>Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:24 PM >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >> >>Subject: [Cal_Boats] RE: Suitable first boat? >> >> >> >>Thanks, David. I'll inform the Detroit/Port Huron contingent. >> >>On the boat handling thing - from a previous note (pineapplegirl? ): >> >>"I also read some good advice to take the boat out at slack tide on a calm day and practice maneuvering it around a fixed object like a mark to learn how she handles under motor (responsiveness, prop walk, etc) THEN try docking. Not that I have actually taken the time to do that. Jeff I bet you got a lot out of that day of practice!!!" >> >>I also highly recommend the maneuvering practice out where there isn't much you can bust up. This would be both motor (especially reverse) AND sail. Try to stop the boat near some object under all different points of wind. It is an intriguing set of exercises. Can be very useful for emergency docking and for man overboard. Will take several sessions to get different wind conditions. >> >>Also very good to find out the radius under which you can spin the boat 180 degrees. >> >>Cheers >>Charlie >> >> >>

My Cal 31 (bought 3 years ago when I was 59) was my first sailboat. Boat US would not insure me so the boat broker got an agent who sold Zurich insurance to make it happen. I had to get a qualified sailor (my brother in law) who had to send in his resume and then he became my "sensei".......After about 6 trips out where I showed him I could leave the dock and anchor and navigate and stop and come back to a "fender overboard" and come back to dock without bumper boats, he sent them an a-okay and I became the proud owner of a $750 a year insurance policy.......Be careful what you wish for. Bob Connell "Jollygood!", Cal 31, #59 Olympia, WA From: jeff theall <je… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 4:20:19 PM Subject: Re: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 I"m so glad I piped in on this one, even if my advise was not as helpful as I'd liked. Last year, at 42, I bought my first sailboat. I grew up in south Louisiana so being on the water was natural, but I had no experience with sailing. After taking my first cruise in a coworkers boat though I knew I had to have one. I'm sure for all the same reasons everyone else does. The first trip out was a disaster. My sailing mentor (USCG certified captain, sailing for 20 yrs) decided we could sail her out of the marina even though the outboard was flooded. After all "it's a sailboat." We got stuck on the rocks after the wind shifted while coming out of a channel with two rock jetties to either side. Luckily a bent rudder shaft was the only physical damage done. My wife still remembers it vividly. Since then we have yet to have an incident free sailing day. The ever problematic outboard accounts for most of the drama. Just this past week I had my crew (wife and two teenage boys) practicing leaving and returning to the slip. We did it over and over until satisfied we learned some valuable lessons. With the tension and shouting at times I'm not sure if this will bring the family together more or not. At the end of a long weekend though everyone was in agreement we were better than when we started. The OB is running much better now (new carb, new fuel filter, etc) and I've learned if I think I'm going to slow I'm probably going to fast. Reading all of these narratives though has only increased my desire to keep going. As I told someone recruiting me to race the other day (yacht club gets points for participating) , I'm in hurry to learn, but not in a hurry to be reckless. I appreciate all the time other sailors take to write in this group. Jeff --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> wrote: >From: Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@ yahoo.com> >Subject: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 7:01 PM > > > >I guess we are all different. I had a lot of experience before I bought my Cal 24. My experience included owning a home built cat for a dozen years, which are notorious for lousy handling, failure to come about, getting into irons etc. Usually to come about you stall and go backwards, so you have to reverse your rudders to do that...sorta like a K turn. Reversing your rudder when going backwards when you get in irons and start to go backwards on my Cal won't do S@#T...so prepare to possibly T bone the boats on end ties (boats on end ties should have huge floating protection booms like they have around the aircraft carriers I've seen in San Diego). I've found recently that at slow speeeds the sails will overpower anything you do with the rudder in my Cal, and heading off to gain speed helps rudder power when your tacking with main alone. And if you are undersail in tight quarters don't expect your engine to save your butt if your about to hit a boat, as throwing it in reverse will mostly give you flying spray, foam, noise, and only slightly reduce your speed on impact. Of course, most people don't try docking under sail unless they really know what they are doing...or THINK they know what they are doing. I'm always docking undersail, but my boat only weighs as much as a small car, 3000 lbs. much unlike a Cal33, which weighs as much as a medium size truck, what, about five tons? Anyway, I almost forgot, yeah, I had alot of experience with smaller boats when I got my Cal 24 but still got into a lot of scarey situations. My favorite first one was slowly motoring into the travel lift dock at Annacappa Marine just after buying the boat, for thier advertised low cost pressure wash, no sails up, when the outboard quit and I was coasting at about 2-3 knots squarely at a solid concrete bulkhead, with no escape possible. Luckily they had a 1' by 2' bumper in front of the wall, and aimed for it, and bounced off it with my bow. Whew! >When I briefly owned a Cal 25 three years ago, I tried sailing it into the dock, which was 180 degrees to the wind, under mains'l, with my main's boom all the way out, but I still had enough momentum going that I gave the dock a good smack with that 4000 lb boat. >Anyway, it's do able to own a 33' boat as a first boat, but I'd get a fair amount of instruction first, and a lot of docking training before I took off with it solo. Maybe that's why 98% of the boats in Marina del Rey are dock queens. People buy a boat thinking it's like driving a car, take the boat out, get scared shitless, and don't do it again because they have post traumatic stress disorder. > > But it is fun when you see out of control boats, and go to the rescue, and save them. Recently one of my dockmates took his Catalina 25 out, to motor tour the marina, and his just overhauled OB crapped out and siezed mid channel 15 seconds after clearing the docks, and he couldn't restart it. We were able to catch him as he floated helplessly down wind in the basin, as he side swiped a big ketch. While my crew buddy held on to his boat, I proceeded to rig his mainsail up through a tangle of rotted mis-attached lines. I was able to tack the boat back and get it into it's slip, but sadly, though he is a liveaboard, he still hasn't sailed the boat since, just as he hadn't tried sailing the boat for the previous 6 or seven years. >Jerry > >--- On Sun, 5/2/10, jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>From: jeff theall <jeffreytheall@ yahoo.com> >>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 >>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 1:44 PM >> >> >> >>I agree with Helen, 33ft is big for first boat. i've started with a Cal 27 PT and the sailing is the easy part. getting it back into the slip and such is the scary part. it's a lot of boat to get moving backward in a hurry if you weren't going in the right direction forward. I'm afraid when I'm ready to move to something larger there won't be much left of the one I have. Actually she's pretty tough. >> >>--- On Sun, 5/2/10, Helen Horn <helenhorn@sbcglobal .net> wrote: >> >> >>>From: Helen Horn <helenhorn@sbcglobal .net> >>>Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 >>>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 3:48 PM >>> >>> >>> >>>33 ft is a big boat for 1st boat ! How much sailing Time do you have? All Cals are Great boats but >>>we prefer the ones made in Costa Mesa. Deck Crazing comes from deck failuer ...with crazing >>>you get water into deck then delamition begins... >>>see if you can "look at" 3 or 4 other cals ...sometimes >>>some boat get "Beat up" and these boat have more >>>crazing . Stuff happens and after, (mini disaster) >>>crazing shows-up.. on our cal 29 (1974) has six hair line marks on the whole boat all from "disaster" docking.. the 33 is still a Great boat even with crazing >>>there' a Cal 36 in Ventura C L for $9000 diesel + more ... we have cals in North Calif. (SF Bay) >>>and so-cal(Newport) if you would like to look >>>ed&helen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "coachkb13@sbcgloba l.net" <coachkb13@sbcglobal .net> >>>To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >>>Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 5:13:02 PM >>>Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 >>> >>> >>>My wife and I are looking to purchase our first sailboat and have come accoss a 1989 Cal33-2, which is in our price range. The boat has crazing on the deck but is otherwise clean with many updates. I'm looking for opinions as to this boat. We are loking to mostly day sail in Long Island Sound with the potential to make longer trips. >>> >>>Any general comments about the Cal 33-2 are appreciated. Thanks in advance. >>> >>> >>

A flash of brilliance. No better way to say it. Regards, Wayne From: Nick <Ni… [at] shaw.ca> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 10:56:06 PM Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] RE: Suitable first boat? My favourite piece of advice was: 'Approach the dock at the speed you are happy to hit it. Any faster might make you unhappy.' When sailing, the object is to enjoy - don't do things you don't enjoy. - Nick >From: > Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:Cal_ Boats@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of > Husar, Charlie [USA] >Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:24 > PM >To: Cal_Boats@yahoogrou ps.com >Subject: [Cal_Boats] RE: > Suitable first boat? > > >Thanks, David. I'll inform the Detroit/Port > Huron contingent. > >On the boat handling thing - from a previous note > (pineapplegirl? ): > >"I also read > some good advice to take the boat out at slack tide on a calm day and practice > maneuvering it around a fixed object like a mark to learn how she handles > under motor (responsiveness, prop walk, etc) THEN try docking. Not that I have > actually taken the time to do that. Jeff I bet you got a lot out of that day > of practice!!!" > >I also highly recommend the maneuvering practice out > where there isn't much you can bust up. This would be both motor > (especially reverse) AND sail. Try to stop the boat near some > object under all different points of wind. It is an intriguing set of > exercises. Can be very useful for emergency docking and for man > overboard. Will take several sessions to get different wind > conditions. > >Also very good to find out the radius under which you > can spin the boat 180 degrees. > >Cheers >Charlie > > >

jeff theall wrote: > > > Just this past week I had my crew (wife and two teenage boys) > practicing leaving and returning to the slip. We did it over and over > until satisfied we learned some valuable lessons. With the tension > and shouting at times I'm not sure if this will bring the family > together more or not. > The shouting seems to be a natural reaction to stress and emerging unexpected events. Most of us seem to do it unless we have made an effort not to do so. It rarely makes things better except in those rare circumstances when the other person really cannot hear what you're saying unless you raise your voice. It seems to be a nearly universal phenomenon that we guys drive the boat and the women catch lines, etc. Maybe it's because guys have learned in life to take risks even when we're worried. We put on that mask and pretend we're not scared and we try things. It's probably beneficial to give the female crew members a chance to learn the same skills of boat driving, perhaps after asking them what conditions would make it easier for them to feel comfortable learning. (For example--where do they want you, perhaps off the boat and beyond vision?) Maybe an experienced coach who is not related by blood or marriage would make it easier. "Crew training" ashore might help too. Explain what sequence of lines you seek, and what to do if the preferred line is tossed and misses. Talk through the process. Talk about alternatives when things go badly. Years ago my outboard stopped as I was entering a river in a dredged channel. I was cursing the damned machine while yanking repeatedly on its starting rope. By then the wind was blowing me out of the channel, toward shallow water, and right toward a range light post. I dove for the anchor but the rode was not secured to it. I tried to hoist the mainsail to sail away but figured I did not have time to get it up before I hit the range light. Suddenly I perceived that the outboard was simply out of gas (duh!!!!). I poured gas from the extra tank to the outboard's tank without a funnel. There was oily (25:1) gas all over my cockpit by now. The mainsail was drooping around, unfurled, and its halyard slapped, slack. The boat had enough speed from hull windage by now that I steered around the range light. The refilled outboard promptly started, and as I powered back into the channel with the boat in total disarray, the oldest of the local old salts passed me, giving a look of mixed pity and scorn. Now my anchor and rode are ready to deploy, and I have a plan for alternative action if things don't go as planned. This all happened single-handed (thank goodness!!) but it helps if your crew has some idea of alternative courses of action too. Chris Campbell > > > > >

On May 4, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: > snipped > > I poured gas from the extra tank to the outboard's tank without a > funnel. There was oily (25:1) gas all over my cockpit by now. The > mainsail was drooping around, unfurled, and its halyard slapped, > slack. The boat had enough speed from hull windage by now that I > steered around the range light. The refilled outboard promptly > started, and as I powered back into the channel with the boat in > total disarray, the oldest of the local old salts passed me, giving > a look of mixed pity and scorn. Now my anchor and rode are ready to > deploy, and I have a plan for alternative action if things don't go > as planned. This all happened single-handed (thank goodness!!) but > it helps if your crew has some idea of alternative courses of action > too. > If you want a real humiliation story, I have one. After I sold my Peterson 1 ton in 1978 (Thanks to a divorce), I bought a J 24. I had learned to sail on a Soling and figured the J boat would be fun. The first time I put it in the water, I made one of the dumbest mistakes in my repertoire. I had the rod that screws into the keel hooked to the hoist but had no other lines run to keep the boat level as it was raised. As the J 24 rose and swung out over the water, it began to tip bow down. When that happened, the sails slid into the bow and it tipped more until it was just about 90 degrees to the water. Some people ran over to help and I set it down in the water before we broke the lifting rod and dropped it. One fellow noticed that I had an "Audacious" crew shirt on. That was the name of my one-tonner I had sold. He asked if I had ever crewed on it. I said that I had owned it. He looked at me with that combination of sympathy and disgust we have when someone is obviously lying and inflating his accomplishments, and walked away. I didn't say a word but I knew what he was thinking as I slunk down to the J to figure out how to rig stays to keep it level. Mike Kennedy > > Chris Campbell > > >> >> > > >

Bow lines should not be longer than the distance it is to your prop to the bow !! edward From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 9:50:24 AM Subject: Re: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 jeff theall wrote: > > > Just this past week I had my crew (wife and two teenage >boys) practicing leaving and returning to the slip. We did it over and >over until satisfied we learned some valuable lessons. With the >tension and shouting at times I'm not sure if this will bring the >family together more or not. > The shouting seems to be a natural reaction to stress and emerging unexpected events. Most of us seem to do it unless we have made an effort not to do so. It rarely makes things better except in those rare circumstances when the other person really cannot hear what you're saying unless you raise your voice. It seems to be a nearly universal phenomenon that we guys drive the boat and the women catch lines, etc. Maybe it's because guys have learned in life to take risks even when we're worried. We put on that mask and pretend we're not scared and we try things. It's probably beneficial to give the female crew members a chance to learn the same skills of boat driving, perhaps after asking them what conditions would make it easier for them to feel comfortable learning. (For example--where do they want you, perhaps off the boat and beyond vision?) Maybe an experienced coach who is not related by blood or marriage would make it easier. "Crew training" ashore might help too. Explain what sequence of lines you seek, and what to do if the preferred line is tossed and misses. Talk through the process. Talk about alternatives when things go badly. Years ago my outboard stopped as I was entering a river in a dredged channel. I was cursing the damned machine while yanking repeatedly on its starting rope. By then the wind was blowing me out of the channel, toward shallow water, and right toward a range light post. I dove for the anchor but the rode was not secured to it. I tried to hoist the mainsail to sail away but figured I did not have time to get it up before I hit the range light. Suddenly I perceived that the outboard was simply out of gas (duh!!!!). I poured gas from the extra tank to the outboard's tank without a funnel. There was oily (25:1) gas all over my cockpit by now. The mainsail was drooping around, unfurled, and its halyard slapped, slack. The boat had enough speed from hull windage by now that I steered around the range light. The refilled outboard promptly started, and as I powered back into the channel with the boat in total disarray, the oldest of the local old salts passed me, giving a look of mixed pity and scorn. Now my anchor and rode are ready to deploy, and I have a plan for alternative action if things don't go as planned. This all happened single-handed (thank goodness!!) but it helps if your crew has some idea of alternative courses of action too. Chris Campbell > >

Michael Kennedy wrote: > If you want a real humiliation story, I have one. We need these experiences to keep us humble, don't we? Chris Campbell Filled with humility

I started out with scratch built, model sailboats when I was ten. The first one was hewn from a 2"X4", 22" long, using a cross cut saw and a disk sander, until it resembled an America's Cup Yacht. I hammered my Dad's lead fishing weights to form a weighted keel. Using my mother's sewing machine, I fashioned sails out of old percale pillow cases. The last one, the 8th, was 40" long and could carry my hamster. Now, that's what I call an appropriate first boat...Err..uh...YACHT! My 5 cents (inflation). Jerry --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Subject: Re: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 1:52 PM Michael Kennedy wrote: > If you want a real humiliation story, I have one. We need these experiences to keep us humble, don't we? Chris Campbell Filled with humility ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Michael Kennedy wrote: > If you want a real humiliation story, I have one. That's nuthin' ;-) Your J/24 was bow heavy... I tried your same trick with a stern heavy J/24... same result as yours, only more spectacular because with a stern heavy J/24 you break the spreaders on the crane :-)

Thanks for making me feel better. I'll bet you didn't have spectators who thought you had stolen the crew shirt from your previous boat, though. They knew I couldn't be associated with THAT boat because the guy who owned it seemed to know what he was doing. I had just proven that wasn't me. Mike Kennedy On May 4, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Jorge Martin de Nicolas wrote: > Michael Kennedy wrote: > > > If you want a real humiliation story, I have one. > > That's nuthin' ;-) Your J/24 was bow heavy... I tried your same > trick with a stern heavy J/24... same result as yours, only more > spectacular because with a stern heavy J/24 you break the spreaders > on the crane :-) > > >

Jerry, Could the hamster trim? Could the hamster swim? Could the hamster sail all day? But I must scowl, Jer ran afoul of the ASPCA. In modern times I try for rhymes, For Reg comes up the Bay. Sorry All Cheers Charlie From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Sobel Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:40 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 I started out with scratch built, model sailboats when I was ten. The first one was hewn from a 2"X4", 22" long, using a cross cut saw and a disk sander, until it resembled an America's Cup Yacht. I hammered my Dad's lead fishing weights to form a weighted keel. Using my mother's sewing machine, I fashioned sails out of old percale pillow cases. The last one, the 8th, was 40" long and could carry my hamster. Now, that's what I call an appropriate first boat...Err..uh...YACHT! My 5 cents (inflation). Jerry --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> Subject: Re: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 1:52 PM Michael Kennedy wrote: > If you want a real humiliation story, I have one. We need these experiences to keep us humble, don't we? Chris Campbell Filled with humility ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

Michael Kennedy wrote: > Thanks for making me feel better. > I'll bet you didn't have spectators > who thought you had stolen the crew shirt from your > previous boat, though. > Oh, no... I didn't get off that easy... it was much worse than that ;-) You see, I had renamed my boat for this regatta and _EVERYBODY_ had seen the new name... it's a long sordid tale and I'm afraid I'm digging myself deeper in a hole... but there's a boat in our circuit named "mr. happy" and they pretty much _always_ win just about every regatta, and they always qualify for the J/24 world championships... they are _THAT_ good... they are my friends and they sail out of my same club... and they have a very distinctive red logo on the side of their boat with very distinctive red font reading "mr. happy"... Everybody on the circuit knows that boat... whenever someone sees a boat with red letters on the side, they assume it's "mr. happy"... so since this was going to be my first regatta driving my new boat, I stealthily renamed my boat the night before as "mr. newby" using the exact same red logo and the exact same red font as "mr. happy"... so there I was at the crane, with a broken spreader, and the name "mr. newby" emblazoned on the side of my boat... at least nobody could accuse me of false advertising :-)

My first boat was a 32' steel sloop. In a way, it wasn't ideal as a first boat because of its size and weight, but it did have a 26hp diesel which gave it a good kick in harbor. We found out how advantageous the steel hull was when we grounded it on a rock around some islets. But by far the most challenging experience was coming into harbor. After we sold it, I rode down to the wharf and watched the activity of boats coming and going, when I saw a 36' or so sailboat coming in. I could see the skipper was really tense. He was barking out orders to the crew to put bumpers over there, stand over there with a pole, get ready to jump over there...I could relate. A guy came up behind me and saw the sailboat coming in and said to me, "That must be the life." To the uninitiated that is the dream. Once you get the boat and try maneuvering it harbor, reality hits. Advice? Make sure the engine is super reliable, and go slow. --- In Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, Gerald Sobel <sobel_solar@...> wrote: > > I guess we are all different. I had a lot of experience before I bought my Cal 24. My experience included owning a home built cat for a dozen years, which are notorious for lousy handling, failure to come about, getting into irons etc. Usually to come about you stall and go ---snip----

--- On Tue, 5/4/10, Husar, Charlie [USA] <hu… [at] bah.com> wrote: Jerry, Could the hamster trim? Could the hamster swim? Could the hamster sail all day? Charlie, the hamster could sail all day, you see, hamsters sleep all day and run around all night. One afternoon II let him sleep in the boat while I was building it, but at night he chewed out half the bottom. So the boat ended up being built out of model aircraft plywood instead of it's original 1/8" balsa wood, a sturdier choice.* We put him aboard his boat (it was named after him, the seventh in a series) and he snoozed while he cruised, and we had some good exercise chasing him around a reservoir lake in Northern New Jersey in a rented skiff. And that's the trooth! Not bad, a 40 hamster foot long boat, but not his first. Thanks for the rhyme! Jerry P.S.: * The Plywood was a sturdier choice till the Mayflower Movers who trucked my folks furniture etc. to California got a hold of it, they accidentally crushed it.

Humility comes from the Latin "HUMULUS" dirt. My Best, Mike From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 1:52:27 PM Subject: Re: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Michael Kennedy wrote: > If you want a real humiliation story, I have one. We need these experiences to keep us humble, don't we? Chris Campbell Filled with humility ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

When I was 7 I begged my parents to let me build ( with my uncles help, WW1 vet USN) an El Toro. No dice. I got them back years later when I raced a 1961 HD KR on the championship circuit ( Dirt track) American motor cycle assn.( AMA) When injuries ended my career in 1968 I found sailing. I put together an El Toro, Sailed the sob under 3 times and said " ENUF" Sold to a friend. On Sunday, we finished The Great Vallejo Race 2010 2nd place, First on Sat. Not Bad for a 65 year old. ( DH Div, and my crew David Morris shares credit, God Bless this mess, My best, mike From: Gerald Sobel <so… [at] yahoo.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 2:40:13 PM Subject: Re: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 I started out with scratch built, model sailboats when I was ten. The first one was hewn from a 2"X4", 22" long, using a cross cut saw and a disk sander, until it resembled an America's Cup Yacht. I hammered my Dad's lead fishing weights to form a weighted keel. Using my mother's sewing machine, I fashioned sails out of old percale pillow cases. The last one, the 8th, was 40" long and could carry my hamster. Now, that's what I call an appropriate first boat...Err..uh...YACHT! My 5 cents (inflation). Jerry --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> wrote: >From: Chris Campbell <cl… [at] charterinternet.com> >Subject: Re: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 >To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 1:52 PM > > >Michael Kennedy wrote: >> If you want a real humiliation story, I have one. >We need these experiences to keep us humble, don't we? > >Chris Campbell >Filled with humility > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

I have 2 worse hoist stories, I won't burden the group. Pay attention. Cut once. , measure twice and go slow. My Best, Mike From: Michael Kennedy <mt… [at] cox.net> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 11:28:03 AM Subject: Re: Suitable first boat? was..Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 On May 4, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Chris Campbell wrote: > snipped > > I poured gas from the extra tank to the outboard's tank without a > funnel. There was oily (25:1) gas all over my cockpit by now. The > mainsail was drooping around, unfurled, and its halyard slapped, > slack. The boat had enough speed from hull windage by now that I > steered around the range light. The refilled outboard promptly > started, and as I powered back into the channel with the boat in > total disarray, the oldest of the local old salts passed me, giving > a look of mixed pity and scorn. Now my anchor and rode are ready to > deploy, and I have a plan for alternative action if things don't go > as planned. This all happened single-handed (thank goodness!!) but > it helps if your crew has some idea of alternative courses of action > too. > If you want a real humiliation story, I have one. After I sold my Peterson 1 ton in 1978 (Thanks to a divorce), I bought a J 24. I had learned to sail on a Soling and figured the J boat would be fun. The first time I put it in the water, I made one of the dumbest mistakes in my repertoire. I had the rod that screws into the keel hooked to the hoist but had no other lines run to keep the boat level as it was raised. As the J 24 rose and swung out over the water, it began to tip bow down. When that happened, the sails slid into the bow and it tipped more until it was just about 90 degrees to the water. Some people ran over to help and I set it down in the water before we broke the lifting rod and dropped it. One fellow noticed that I had an "Audacious" crew shirt on. That was the name of my one-tonner I had sold. He asked if I had ever crewed on it. I said that I had owned it. He looked at me with that combination of sympathy and disgust we have when someone is obviously lying and inflating his accomplishments, and walked away. I didn't say a word but I knew what he was thinking as I slunk down to the J to figure out how to rig stays to keep it level. Mike Kennedy > > Chris Campbell > > >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

My dripless stuffing box is becoming problematic. I would appreciate information on the diameter of the shaft as well the diameter of the Stern Tube to confirm what they appear to be. Thanks. Jim O'C

Hello all. I now own a new (to me) CAL 33-2. I need to truck her to me. Has anyone transported a 33-2? Did you need to remove anything because of height restrictions? Thank you for any help! -rick

I trucked a 33-2 with shoal draft & did not have to remove anything. I think u might have to with standard keel. Travis > On May 27, 2014, at 5:30 PM, "rk… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Hello all. I now own a new (to me) CAL 33-2. I need to truck her to me. Has anyone transported a 33-2? Did you need to remove anything because of height restrictions? Thank you for any help! > > -rick > >

I have the standard fin keel.

Thank you everyone for the replys! rick

What is the mast height, clearance on these boats?

Need 51 feet, at least for clearance. Still bend the antenna, the wind instruments will clear. Darr LaFon > On Sep 30, 2014, at 3:55 PM, "se… [at] natspin.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > What is the mast height, clearance on these boats? > > > >

Dan, Thanks for the information, that is what I have been looking for. Based on the information I had estimated 50 feet, I will give it at least 51. Steve From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:56 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 33-2 Need 51 feet, at least for clearance. Still bend the antenna, the wind instruments will clear. Darr LaFon On Sep 30, 2014, at 3:55 PM, "se… [at] natspin.com<mailto:se… [at] natspin.com> [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: What is the mast height, clearance on these boats? This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com

My shaft on a 1987 33-2 is 1 1/4". From: Jim O'Connor <ge… [at] msn.com> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 4:16 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Cal 33-2 My dripless stuffing box is becoming problematic. I would appreciate information on the diameter of the shaft as well the diameter of the Stern Tube to confirm what they appear to be. Thanks. Jim O’C

How about a bit more information on what is the problem? Is it leaking a bit ???? Travis E. Owen, CPS, FPO, PSS FI The only regrets in life are the risks not taken On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:03 AM, "JAMES OCONNOR ge… [at] msn.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: My shaft on a 1987 33-2 is 1 1/4". From: Jim O'Connor <ge… [at] msn.com> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 4:16 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Cal 33-2 My dripless stuffing box is becoming problematic. I would appreciate information on the diameter of the shaft as well the diameter of the Stern Tube to confirm what they appear to be. Thanks. Jim O’C -- {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} {margin-bottom:10px;} .yiv8793193332ad {padding:0 0;} .yiv8793193332ad p {margin:0;} .yiv8793193332ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} {font-family:Arial;} {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} .yiv8793193332ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;} {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;} span {font-weight:700;} span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;} span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;} span span {color:#ff7900;} span .yiv8793193332underline {text-decoration:underline;} .yiv8793193332attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;} .yiv8793193332attach div a {text-decoration:none;} .yiv8793193332attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;} .yiv8793193332attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;} .yiv8793193332attach label a {text-decoration:none;} blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;} .yiv8793193332bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;} .yiv8793193332bold a {text-decoration:none;} dd.yiv8793193332last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;} dd.yiv8793193332last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;} dd.yiv8793193332last p span.yiv8793193332yshortcuts {margin-right:0;} div.yiv8793193332attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;} div.yiv8793193332attach-table {width:400px;} div.yiv8793193332file-title a, div.yiv8793193332file-title a:active, div.yiv8793193332file-title a:hover, div.yiv8793193332file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;} div.yiv8793193332photo-title a, div.yiv8793193332photo-title a:active, div.yiv8793193332photo-title a:hover, div.yiv8793193332photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;} div p a span.yiv8793193332yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;} .yiv8793193332green {color:#628c2a;} .yiv8793193332MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;} o {font-size:0;} div {float:left;width:72px;} div div {border:1px solid #666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;} div label {color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;} {font-size:77%;} {font-size:77%;} .yiv8793193332replbq {margin:4px;} div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;} {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} select, input, textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} pre, code {font:115% monospace;} * {line-height:1.22em;} {padding-bottom:10px;} p a {font-family:Verdana;} p span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;} {color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;} {margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;} li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;} li {font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;} ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;} {font-family:Georgia;} p {margin:0 0 1em 0;} tt {font-size:120%;} ul li:last-child {border-right:none !important;}

Would anyone happen to know the length of that shaft? Im about to change mine out. From: "JAMES OCONNOR ge… [at] msn.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 3:03 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Cal 33-2 My shaft on a 1987 33-2 is 1 1/4". From: Jim O'Connor <ge… [at] msn.com> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 4:16 AM To: ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Cal 33-2 My dripless stuffing box is becoming problematic. I would appreciate information on the diameter of the shaft as well the diameter of the Stern Tube to confirm what they appear to be. Thanks. Jim O’C -- {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} {margin-bottom:10px;} .yiv4716234063ad {padding:0 0;} .yiv4716234063ad p {margin:0;} .yiv4716234063ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} {font-family:Arial;} {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} .yiv4716234063ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;} {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;} span {font-weight:700;} span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;} span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;} span span {color:#ff7900;} span .yiv4716234063underline {text-decoration:underline;} .yiv4716234063attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;} .yiv4716234063attach div a {text-decoration:none;} .yiv4716234063attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;} .yiv4716234063attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;} .yiv4716234063attach label a {text-decoration:none;} blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;} .yiv4716234063bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;} .yiv4716234063bold a {text-decoration:none;} dd.yiv4716234063last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;} dd.yiv4716234063last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;} dd.yiv4716234063last p span.yiv4716234063yshortcuts {margin-right:0;} div.yiv4716234063attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;} div.yiv4716234063attach-table {width:400px;} div.yiv4716234063file-title a, div.yiv4716234063file-title a:active, div.yiv4716234063file-title a:hover, div.yiv4716234063file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;} div.yiv4716234063photo-title a, div.yiv4716234063photo-title a:active, div.yiv4716234063photo-title a:hover, div.yiv4716234063photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;} div p a span.yiv4716234063yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;} .yiv4716234063green {color:#628c2a;} .yiv4716234063MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;} o {font-size:0;} div {float:left;width:72px;} div div {border:1px solid #666666;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;} div label {color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;} {font-size:77%;} {font-size:77%;} .yiv4716234063replbq {margin:4px;} div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;} {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} select, input, textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} pre, code {font:115% monospace;} * {line-height:1.22em;} {padding-bottom:10px;} p a {font-family:Verdana;} p span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;} {color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;} {margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;} li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;} li {font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;} ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;} {font-family:Georgia;} p {margin:0 0 1em 0;} tt {font-size:120%;} ul li:last-child {border-right:none !important;}