Headliner Recommendations

Hello, I am looking to replace vinyl headliner with semi-rigid flexible panels. Opinions and experience will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!Michael

I have seen a number of boats use FRP as headliner with great looking results. FRP should be available from your local big box building source, Home Depot or lowes. Standard is white, but also comes in beige colors and special order, black, silver and other shades. 4x8 sheets are standard, special order 4x10 can be had as well. Check you local building supply store that carries metal stud and drywall, acoustical ceiling. May be cheaper thru that source as well. Brand names, Marlite, sequentia, glass steel etc. do not mix brands as colors vary. White panels with teak dividers and end caps looks clean and sharp. John Raxter Cal 33 On Mar 13, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hello, I am looking to replace vinyl headliner with semi-rigid flexible panels. Opinions and experience will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Michael

Michael, I replaced my Cal2-39 forepeak headliner last year. I went with vinyl glued to plywood for the flat areas and vinyl glued to foam to the fiberglass overhead for the inside of the cabin doghouse. This is just as the factory had originally installed. The plywood had delaminated and the foam deteriorated over the last 40 years. I used 5mm underlayment plywood and 3M 80 spray adhesive from home depot, marine grade vinyl from a local supplier (Keyston Bros) and 1/4" ss staples. I did it on the our marina docks in 3 or 4 days with a saber saw and a stapler. see pictures. You could go with the pre-finished panels and save some gluing and stapling effort if you have no curved surfaces to cover or don't need the areas to match. Good luck, Duane Duane Knize S/V Marlyn 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 berthed: Emeryville, CA kn… [at] san.rr.com On 3/13/2017 6:26 AM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > Hello, > > > I am looking to replace vinyl headliner with semi-rigid flexible > panels. Opinions and experience will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks! > Michael >

These are great pictures! I, too, have headliner replacement on the list for my '75 Cal 2 34. I can't figure out what you attached it with, (the buttons on the finish edge?). My foam is already in place and I have a soft naugahyde all cut out and ready to install but can't quite figure out how to do the spray upside down, let alone install it single handedly. The previous owner put the foam in as he was planning on finishing it with semi rigid panels, (I think they're called sterlite?) Input would be greatly appreciated. Faith S/V Sea Jewel On 2017-03-13 09:44, Duane Knize Boat kn… [at] san.rr.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > [Attachment(s) from Duane Knize Boat included below] > > Michael, > > I replaced my Cal2-39 forepeak headliner last year. > > I went with vinyl glued to plywood for the flat areas and vinyl glued to foam to the fiberglass overhead for the inside of the cabin doghouse. > > This is just as the factory had originally installed. The plywood had delaminated and the foam deteriorated over the last 40 years. > > I used 5mm underlayment plywood and 3M 80 spray adhesive from home depot, marine grade vinyl from a local supplier (Keyston Bros) and 1/4" ss staples. I did it on the our marina docks in 3 or 4 days with a saber saw and a stapler. > > see pictures. > > You could go with the pre-finished panels and save some gluing and stapling effort if you have no curved surfaces to cover or don't need the areas to match. > > Good luck, > Duane > > Duane Knize > S/V Marlyn > 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 > berthed: Emeryville, CA > kn… [at] san.rr.com > > On 3/13/2017 6:26 AM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I am looking to replace vinyl headliner with semi-rigid flexible panels. Opinions and experience will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks! >> Michael > > Links: ------ [1] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Cal_Boats/attachments/939608696;_ylc=X3oDMTJyMGgxbnB1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDYXR0YWNobWVudARzbGsDdmlld09uV2ViBHN0aW1lAzE0ODk0MjM1NjQ- [2] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Cal_Boats/attachments/939608696;_ylc=X3oDMTJuYmVuZWE3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDYXR0YWNobWVudARzbGsDcGhvdG8Ec3RpbWUDMTQ4OTQyMzU2NA--?itemid=932718509 [3] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Cal_Boats/attachments/939608696;_ylc=X3oDMTJuYmVuZWE3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDYXR0YWNobWVudARzbGsDcGhvdG8Ec3RpbWUDMTQ4OTQyMzU2NA--?itemid=1563922077 [4] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Cal_Boats/conversations/messages/42662;_ylc=X3oDMTJycGg3bHNmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAM0MjY2MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0ODk0MjM1NjQ-?act=reply&amp;messageNum=42662 [5] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Cal_Boats/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmN3E2NHUzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0ODk0MjM1NjQ- [6] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Cal_Boats/conversations/topics/42660;_ylc=X3oDMTM3cXI4YjZnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAM0MjY2MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0ODk0MjM1NjQEdHBjSWQDNDI2NjA- [7] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Cal_Boats/photos/photomatic/1301812774;_ylc=X3oDMTE4M3R1OW82BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGNmOQNQSE9UT01BVElDBHNlYwNtZWdhcGhvbmU- [8] https://yho.com/1wwmgg [9] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Cal_Boats/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmM202N2piBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0ODk0MjM1NjQ- [10] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Cal_Boats/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnMzg3bmxsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNDg5NDIzNTY0 [11] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbjBxNm1uBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTQ4OTQyMzU2NA-- [12] https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html [13] https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/

Faith, The 3 M80 spray glue comes out like spider webs and will spray up onto the inner deck and stick. I applied two coats to the foam. I masked all areas below the sprayed area with Kraft paper and old sheets because some spray does not go where you want it. You need to spray the naugahyde, as well, and let both surfaces dry for 10 min. Then you can just stick up the vinyl and it will stay in place. I recommend cutting the vinyl oversize, and trim it later, as it is difficult to adjust the position after you start sticking it in place. My original headliner panels were 1/8 plywood and were held up with velcro in the center and with trim at the hatch and around the edges, and buttons at the exposed aft end. I installed industrial velcro, but with the thicker plywood I used, the velcro really didn't have much effect (except insuring an airspace above the ply) . Also with the thicker stiffer ply attachment only at the edges is sufficient to keep it in place. The velcro would probably work well with more flexible1/8 thick material. Regards, Duane Duane Knize S/V Marlyn 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 berthed: Emeryville, CA kn… [at] san.rr.com On 3/13/2017 8:03 PM, fs… [at] torchlake.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from fs… [at] torchlake.com included below] > > These are great pictures! I, too, have headliner replacement on the > list for my '75 Cal 2 34. I can't figure out what you attached it > with, (the buttons on the finish edge?). My foam is already in place > and I have a soft naugahyde all cut out and ready to install but can't > quite figure out how to do the spray upside down, let alone install it > single handedly. The previous owner put the foam in as he was planning > on finishing it with semi rigid panels, (I think they're called > sterlite?) > > Input would be greatly appreciated. > > Faith > > S/V Sea Jewel > > On 2017-03-13 09:44, Duane Knize Boat kn… [at] san.rr.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > >> [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Duane Knize Boat included below] >> >> Michael, >> >> I replaced my Cal2-39 forepeak headliner last year. >> >> I went with vinyl glued to plywood for the flat areas and vinyl glued >> to foam to the fiberglass overhead for the inside of the cabin doghouse. >> >> This is just as the factory had originally installed. The plywood had >> delaminated and the foam deteriorated over the last 40 years. >> >> I used 5mm underlayment plywood and 3M 80 spray adhesive from home >> depot, marine grade vinyl from a local supplier (Keyston Bros) and >> 1/4" ss staples. >> >> I did it on the our marina docks in 3 or 4 days with a saber saw and >> a stapler. >> >> see pictures. >> >> You could go with the pre-finished panels and save some gluing and >> stapling effort if you have no curved surfaces to cover or don't need >> the areas to match. >> >> >> Good luck, >> Duane >> Duane Knize >> S/V Marlyn >> 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 >> berthed: Emeryville, CA >> kn… [at] san.rr.com >> On 3/13/2017 6:26 AM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am looking to replace vinyl headliner with semi-rigid flexible >>> panels. Opinions and experience will be greatly appreciated. >>> Thanks! >>> Michael >

This spray glue thing sounds like a good application for those shower caps they have in the hotels. I “procured” a supply for over the head fiberglas work and various cleaning tasks. Wadded hair does not brush well. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:51 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; fs… [at] torchlake.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Headliner Recommendations(Faith) Faith, The 3 M80 spray glue comes out like spider webs and will spray up onto the inner deck and stick. I applied two coats to the foam. I masked all areas below the sprayed area with Kraft paper and old sheets because some spray does not go where you want it. You need to spray the naugahyde, as well, and let both surfaces dry for 10 min. Then you can just stick up the vinyl and it will stay in place. I recommend cutting the vinyl oversize, and trim it later, as it is difficult to adjust the position after you start sticking it in place. My original headliner panels were 1/8 plywood and were held up with velcro in the center and with trim at the hatch and around the edges, and buttons at the exposed aft end. I installed industrial velcro, but with the thicker plywood I used, the velcro really didn't have much effect (except insuring an airspace above the ply) . Also with the thicker stiffer ply attachment only at the edges is sufficient to keep it in place. The velcro would probably work well with more flexible1/8 thick material. Regards, Duane Duane Knize S/V Marlyn 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 berthed: Emeryville, CA kn… [at] san.rr.com <mailto:kn… [at] san.rr.com> On 3/13/2017 8:03 PM, fs… [at] torchlake.com <mailto:fs… [at] torchlake.com> [Cal_Boats] wrote: These are great pictures! I, too, have headliner replacement on the list for my '75 Cal 2 34. I can't figure out what you attached it with, (the buttons on the finish edge?). My foam is already in place and I have a soft naugahyde all cut out and ready to install but can't quite figure out how to do the spray upside down, let alone install it single handedly. The previous owner put the foam in as he was planning on finishing it with semi rigid panels, (I think they're called sterlite?) Input would be greatly appreciated. Faith S/V Sea Jewel On 2017-03-13 09:44, Duane Knize Boat kn… [at] san.rr.com <mailto:kn… [at] san.rr.com> [Cal_Boats] wrote: [Attachment(s) from Duane Knize Boat included below] Michael, I replaced my Cal2-39 forepeak headliner last year. I went with vinyl glued to plywood for the flat areas and vinyl glued to foam to the fiberglass overhead for the inside of the cabin doghouse. This is just as the factory had originally installed. The plywood had delaminated and the foam deteriorated over the last 40 years. I used 5mm underlayment plywood and 3M 80 spray adhesive from home depot, marine grade vinyl from a local supplier (Keyston Bros) and 1/4" ss staples. I did it on the our marina docks in 3 or 4 days with a saber saw and a stapler. see pictures. You could go with the pre-finished panels and save some gluing and stapling effort if you have no curved surfaces to cover or don't need the areas to match. Good luck, Duane Duane Knize S/V Marlyn 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 berthed: Emeryville, CA kn… [at] san.rr.com <mailto:kn… [at] san.rr.com> On 3/13/2017 6:26 AM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:md… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] wrote: Hello, I am looking to replace vinyl headliner with semi-rigid flexible panels. Opinions and experience will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Michael

Although it's not exactly analogous, I did Naugahyde on reflectix for my hull liner. The spray (I used 3M Super 77) is very sticky and great adhesion, although I recommend some more adhesive (glue gun perhaps) along the edge. I really like the results, although it does not sound as hard to do as headliner. Reflectix would not be good for that purpose because it isn't rigid. One word to the wise, if you're going to use the spray stuff, you really have to spray in a well ventilated area. Best, Mike Casillo Invincible Summer Cal 2-25 Annapolis > On Mar 13, 2017, at 11:03 PM, fs… [at] torchlake.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > [Attachment(s) from fs… [at] torchlake.com included below] > These are great pictures! I, too, have headliner replacement on the list for my '75 Cal 2 34. I can't figure out what you attached it with, (the buttons on the finish edge?). My foam is already in place and I have a soft naugahyde all cut out and ready to install but can't quite figure out how to do the spray upside down, let alone install it single handedly. The previous owner put the foam in as he was planning on finishing it with semi rigid panels, (I think they're called sterlite?) > > Input would be greatly appreciated. > > Faith > > S/V Sea Jewel > > > > >> On 2017-03-13 09:44, Duane Knize Boat kn… [at] san.rr.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: >> >> >> [Attachment(s) from Duane Knize Boat included below] >> >> >> Michael, >> >> I replaced my Cal2-39 forepeak headliner last year. >> >> I went with vinyl glued to plywood for the flat areas and vinyl glued to foam to the fiberglass overhead for the inside of the cabin doghouse. >> >> This is just as the factory had originally installed. The plywood had delaminated and the foam deteriorated over the last 40 years. >> >> I used 5mm underlayment plywood and 3M 80 spray adhesive from home depot, marine grade vinyl from a local supplier (Keyston Bros) and 1/4" ss staples. >> >> I did it on the our marina docks in 3 or 4 days with a saber saw and a stapler. >> >> see pictures.<IMG_0458s.jpg><IMG_0460s.jpg> >> >> You could go with the pre-finished panels and save some gluing and stapling effort if you have no curved surfaces to cover or don't need the areas to match. >> >> >> Good luck, >> Duane >> Duane Knize >> S/V Marlyn >> 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 >> berthed: Emeryville, CA >> kn… [at] san.rr.com >>> On 3/13/2017 6:26 AM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> I am looking to replace vinyl headliner with semi-rigid flexible panels. Opinions and experience will be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Michael >> > >

Great idea! Thanks On 2017-03-14 17:41, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > This spray glue thing sounds like a good application for those shower caps they have in the hotels. I "procured" a supply for over the head fiberglas work and various cleaning tasks. Wadded hair does not brush well. > > Cheers > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > FROM: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > SENT: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:51 PM > TO: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; fs… [at] torchlake.com > SUBJECT: Re: [Cal_Boats] Headliner Recommendations(Faith) > > Faith, > > The 3 M80 spray glue comes out like spider webs and will spray up onto the inner deck and stick. I applied two coats to the foam. > > I masked all areas below the sprayed area with Kraft paper and old sheets because some spray does not go where you want it. > > You need to spray the naugahyde, as well, and let both surfaces dry for 10 min. Then you can just stick up the vinyl and it will stay in place. > > I recommend cutting the vinyl oversize, and trim it later, as it is difficult to adjust the position after you start sticking it in place. > > My original headliner panels were 1/8 plywood and were held up with velcro in the center and with trim at the hatch and around the edges, and buttons at the exposed aft end. > > I installed industrial velcro, but with the thicker plywood I used, the velcro really didn't have much effect (except insuring an airspace above the ply) . > > Also with the thicker stiffer ply attachment only at the edges is sufficient to keep it in place. > > The velcro would probably work well with more flexible1/8 thick material. > > Regards, > > Duane > > Duane Knize > > S/V Marlyn > > 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 > > berthed: Emeryville, CA > > kn… [at] san.rr.com > > On 3/13/2017 8:03 PM, fs… [at] torchlake.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > These are great pictures! I, too, have headliner replacement on the list for my '75 Cal 2 34. I can't figure out what you attached it with, (the buttons on the finish edge?). My foam is already in place and I have a soft naugahyde all cut out and ready to install but can't quite figure out how to do the spray upside down, let alone install it single handedly. The previous owner put the foam in as he was planning on finishing it with semi rigid panels, (I think they're called sterlite?) > > Input would be greatly appreciated. > > Faith > > S/V Sea Jewel > > On 2017-03-13 09:44, Duane Knize Boat kn… [at] san.rr.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > [ATTACHMENT(S) FROM DUANE KNIZE BOAT INCLUDED BELOW] > > Michael, > > I replaced my Cal2-39 forepeak headliner last year. > > I went with vinyl glued to plywood for the flat areas and vinyl glued to foam to the fiberglass overhead for the inside of the cabin doghouse. > > This is just as the factory had originally installed. The plywood had delaminated and the foam deteriorated over the last 40 years. > > I used 5mm underlayment plywood and 3M 80 spray adhesive from home depot, marine grade vinyl from a local supplier (Keyston Bros) and 1/4" ss staples. > > I did it on the our marina docks in 3 or 4 days with a saber saw and a stapler. > > see pictures. > > You could go with the pre-finished panels and save some gluing and stapling effort if you have no curved surfaces to cover or don't need the areas to match. > > Good luck, > Duane > > Duane Knize > > S/V Marlyn > > 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 > > berthed: Emeryville, CA > > kn… [at] san.rr.com > > On 3/13/2017 6:26 AM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > Hello, > > I am looking to replace vinyl headliner with semi-rigid flexible panels. 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