Re: [Cal_Boats] 1969 Cal 34 For Sale

Chris, My favorites are the ads that show a picture of the boat all covered over for the Winter, sometimes completely shrink-wrapped. Often no pictures of the boat uncovered....... Rod Johnson, "SUNBIRD" 1979 O'DAY DS II On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 10:17:18 -0400 "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> writes: On 4/1/2017 2:24 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: It's a buyer's mkt. Sell a classic plastic boat is a beech...especially if you want fair mkt. value. Of course, the definition of "fair market value" is what a willing buyer and willing seller agree on. It's not the same as "bluebook value," which is some sort of historical lookback at sale prices, to give people a rough idea of the range of values that might pertain. We sailors tend to develop affection for our boats so we have an inclination to overestimate value. I'm always surprised at how people neglect cosmetics when they are selling boats... or cars, or bicycles. We're all suckers for clean and shiny, even when we ignore big issues. Didn't our parents teach us that first impressions count? 'Tis true. So many boats are offered in the same condition as when they were last sailed, except that there's a bit more mold and mildew. Chris Campbell Actress Maggie Q Shocks With Her Solution To Tummy Troubles activatedyou.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58e26255b6bcc62550475st01duc

On 4/3/2017 10:52 AM, rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: >  > > Chris, > My favorites are the ads that show a picture of the boat all covered > over for the Winter, sometimes completely shrink-wrapped. Often no > pictures of the boat uncovered....... Maybe with comments like "goes great in the snow"? I've always been a sucker for those Christmas cards that West Marine and others offer, the ones showing a sailboat on a mooring in the dusk with some Christmas lights and the cabin lights on, looking cheerful. I can imagine sitting in the cozy cabin, the stove giving warmth, reading a good book. The reality of course is that the uninsulated surfaces would make for feeling cold, and pretty soon the battery would run down and those lights would dim, and it would be a cold row back to shore in the dinghy. And I'd have to worry about winter storms and ice accumulation. Maybe it's not so bad to have the boat sitting indoors all winter. Chris Campbell >

Chris,I have become a warm weather sailor in my old age. I want to be in shorts and a tee when I sail. I have done my share of cold weather sailing, mostly racing. These days I work RC and day sail when it's warm. Lake Michigan takes a while to warm up. Years ago someone left a boat on a mooring in Jackson Park harbor over the winter, and the harbor froze solid that winter. Don't remember what happened to it, it was gone by spring. Maybe it's on the bottom!David Dobbs, CAL29 411 On Monday, April 3, 2017 4:28 PM, "ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 4/3/2017 10:52 AM, rj… [at] juno.com [Cal_Boats] wrote:  Chris, My favorites are the ads that show a picture of the boat all covered over for the Winter, sometimes completely shrink-wrapped. Often no pictures of the boat uncovered....... Maybe with comments like "goes great in the snow"? I've always been a sucker for those Christmas cards that West Marine and others offer, the ones showing a sailboat on a mooring in the dusk with some Christmas lights and the cabin lights on, looking cheerful. I can imagine sitting in the cozy cabin, the stove giving warmth, reading a good book. The reality of course is that the uninsulated surfaces would make for feeling cold, and pretty soon the battery would run down and those lights would dim, and it would be a cold row back to shore in the dinghy. And I'd have to worry about winter storms and ice accumulation. Maybe it's not so bad to have the boat sitting indoors all winter. Chris Campbell

Thanks for all the great input. I need the proverbial foot in the a** and time to get her backup to speed. Maybe the right person will come along but with the glut of boats on the market, I am not very optimistic. Ted Smith Cal 34 #207 From: NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; sailor7312 . <sa… [at] gmail.com> Cc: captnted <ca… [at] aol.com> Sent: Tue, Apr 4, 2017 2:36 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1969 Cal 34 For Sale All good advice. I'll add my two cents. Good advertising is key. List all the good stuff and have lots of pictures. And as others said, have it ship shape. If it looks like it needs work that will scare away buyers. Just the year 1969 alone is going to scare away some buyers. The boat has some age on her. That is where listing all the improvements or maintenance helps. Years ago my wife and I were selling our 1982 O'Day 34. One potential buyer, the husband, really wanted it. But the wife said she didn't want an old boat because it would have problems. We took them on a sea trial and the boat did great. I said to the Husband "All boats are going to have some problems. You have to pick your poison. I am being up front about the condition of mine". They ended up not buying, but we sold to another person that was more realistic about boats. This was in 2006 and he still have the O'Day and enjoys it much. About fair weather sailing, that sums it up for my wife and I now. We have old photos of us at the wheel in parka and mittens. That just isn't fun anymore. We still don't hesitate to go out in a blow, but I don't want it to be real cold. Leslie Puffin 1986 Cal 33. On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 1:04 PM, 'sailor7312 .' sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Selling older boats is hard. The price people are willing to pay is dropping all the time and it has little to do w what you put in it. You have two choices, hold out for your higher price or keep dropping the price till it moves. If you are enjoying the boat, then holding out may make sense, but keep in mind the cost of having it. On the low end it probably costs 2-3k a year to have it, so you have to weigh where the value is for you. East Coast Cal 29 sailor On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 10:00 AM, ca… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hello Cal Owners, Need to find a new home for my Cal 34 I have been sailing since 1972. Have not had any success on Craigslist or Sailboatlistings.com in the last year. Any suggestions would be appreciated. She is berthed in Charleston SC. Here is the link to the craigslist ad. https://charleston.craigslist.org/boa/6008826904.html Ted Smith Cal 34 Hull # 207

Ted: I too have a 1969 Cal 34, #223. Soufflé has been in my care since early 1997. The more I sail her the more I think the Cal 34 is one of the best boats of that size and type around. I sail out of Portland, Oregon, mainly cruising, often overnight, on the Columbia River and occasionally over the Bar and offshore north to Victoria, BC. The Cal 34 has great lines and is one of the best looking boats around, and is incredibly sturdy and can take seas and wind. Plus, there is enough room on board to be comfortable, hang out, and even cook. The boat is not too big for a couple to handle, and is big enough to have the spouse and kids on board for a week or two. And, of course, if one is so inclined, she can be fitted out for PHRF racing (not my style). But, boats of that age are out of date in some respects, but those issues can all be addressed over time. With wiring and plumbing upgrades, a new engine, electronics and some paint and gelcoat repair, the boat will be as good if not better than a new boat. Unless one is made of money and has a true abundance of time and abilities, these things take time and prioritizing. Twenty years into it, Soufflé is still a project, as is any boat. Boats are not investments in the monetary sense, but certainly in terms of time well spent. If the boat is a good one, we are like its caretaker until we have to pass her on to another. That said, I would hold out for the best price you can get, but making sure that the new owner will feel an appropriate responsibility to the vessel. Good luck. P. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 8:13 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; d2… [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1969 Cal 34 For Sale Thanks for all the great input. I need the proverbial foot in the a** and time to get her backup to speed. Maybe the right person will come along but with the glut of boats on the market, I am not very optimistic. Ted Smith Cal 34 #207 From: NEWMAN d2… [at] gmail.com<mailto:d2… [at] gmail.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>>; sailor7312 . <sa… [at] gmail.com<mailto:sa… [at] gmail.com>> Cc: captnted <ca… [at] aol.com<mailto:ca… [at] aol.com>> Sent: Tue, Apr 4, 2017 2:36 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] 1969 Cal 34 For Sale All good advice. I'll add my two cents. Good advertising is key. List all the good stuff and have lots of pictures. And as others said, have it ship shape. If it looks like it needs work that will scare away buyers. Just the year 1969 alone is going to scare away some buyers. The boat has some age on her. That is where listing all the improvements or maintenance helps. Years ago my wife and I were selling our 1982 O'Day 34. One potential buyer, the husband, really wanted it. But the wife said she didn't want an old boat because it would have problems. We took them on a sea trial and the boat did great. I said to the Husband "All boats are going to have some problems. You have to pick your poison. I am being up front about the condition of mine". They ended up not buying, but we sold to another person that was more realistic about boats. This was in 2006 and he still have the O'Day and enjoys it much. About fair weather sailing, that sums it up for my wife and I now. We have old photos of us at the wheel in parka and mittens. That just isn't fun anymore. We still don't hesitate to go out in a blow, but I don't want it to be real cold. Leslie Puffin 1986 Cal 33. On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 1:04 PM, 'sailor7312 .' sa… [at] gmail.com<mailto:sa… [at] gmail.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: Selling older boats is hard. The price people are willing to pay is dropping all the time and it has little to do w what you put in it. You have two choices, hold out for your higher price or keep dropping the price till it moves. If you are enjoying the boat, then holding out may make sense, but keep in mind the cost of having it. On the low end it probably costs 2-3k a year to have it, so you have to weigh where the value is for you. East Coast Cal 29 sailor On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 10:00 AM, ca… [at] aol.com<mailto:ca… [at] aol.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: Hello Cal Owners, Need to find a new home for my Cal 34 I have been sailing since 1972. Have not had any success on Craigslist or Sailboatlistings.com in the last year. Any suggestions would be appreciated. She is berthed in Charleston SC. Here is the link to the craigslist ad. https://charleston.craigslist.org/boa/6008826904.html Ted Smith Cal 34 Hull # 207