Cal 28 weight

Hi all, it's me again with another question about my Cal 28. My understanding from looking at the original Cal 28 specs is that it displaces around 6,000 lb. When mine was hauled last summer, the lift operator said it was a little more than 9,000 lb. Assuming the scale on the lift is accurate - which it might not be as a former yard manager tells me the lift hasn't been properly maintained - why would my boat weigh so heavy. I know all boats suck up some water but more than 3,000 lb?

Water, at least that’s what I was told. Fiberglass soaks it in. My 2-29 has a deeper draft than spec’ed as well. I’m on the hard soon during renovations. Perhaps I’ll weigh it on the out and in if it’s out long enough to make a difference, which I’m told is years…. Allan Gulfport, Florda > On May 31, 2017, at 3:12 PM, jo… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Hi all, it's me again with another question about my Cal 28. My understanding from looking at the original Cal 28 specs is that it displaces around 6,000 lb. When mine was hauled last summer, the lift operator said it was a little more than 9,000 lb. Assuming the scale on the lift is accurate - which it might not be as a former yard manager tells me the lift hasn't been properly maintained - why would my boat weigh so heavy. I know all boats suck up some water but more than 3,000 lb? > > >

We cold weather guys have the boat on the hard for at least 6 months, so we probably don't have as much water. My 29 floats on the waterline like you would expect, built in 1971 or 72. I have a few more years before I have to give it up.David Dobbs Cal29 411 On Thursday, June 1, 2017 6:26 PM, "Allan Neal al… [at] corsaircourt.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Water, at least that’s what I was told. Fiberglass soaks it in. My 2-29 has a deeper draft than spec’ed as well. I’m on the hard soon during renovations. Perhaps I’ll weigh it on the out and in if it’s out long enough to make a difference, which I’m told is years…. AllanGulfport, Florda On May 31, 2017, at 3:12 PM, jo… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi all, it's me again with another question about my Cal 28. My understanding from looking at the original Cal 28 specs is that it displaces around 6,000 lb. When mine was hauled last summer, the lift operator said it was a little more than 9,000 lb. Assuming the scale on the lift is accurate - which it might not be as a former yard manager tells me the lift hasn't been properly maintained - why would my boat weigh so heavy. I know all boats suck up some water but more than 3,000 lb?

On 6/1/2017 8:05 PM, david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > We cold weather guys have the boat on the hard for at least 6 months, > so we probably don't have as much water. My 29 floats on the > waterline like you would expect, built in 1971 or 72. I have a few > more years before I have to give it up. > David Dobbs Cal29 411 And we're in fresh water, which may be less osmotic. Maybe the chemists can tell us. My Cal 20 is getting extra drying time this year because I can't get my yard guy to put me in. The big boats mean big bucks and they get to cut in line. I have been very grump about this but then I remember that we've had a really cold and generally unpleasant spring, and maybe NOT sailing is actually a gift this year. Last weekend I sailed my other boat for the first time. It was the 50th season I've sailed her. It was a great day for the first sail of the season--light and steady winds from the NE on a sunny day. I should have flown the new genoa but stuck with the working jib because I was single-handing and didn't want the hassle of a sail change if the wind picked up. It didn't, but it didn't drop either, so the boat moved along steadily and I was able to verify my rig setup. The only issue was another boater's stupidity. A small runabout was sportfishing, dragging a bunch of lines with little planer/floater devices. He decided to pass right in front of me, from my port to starboard, so I had to head up some and still ran over his floaty things. He had no clue that he was the burdened vessel--under power, crossing from port, dragging all that stuff with no proper dayshape, not a commercial fisher. He could have altered course slightly and passed behind me, without any adverse effect on his fishing or any other inconvenience. I';m stubborn enough that I'm not going to come about to facilitate this guy's choices. I did my course alteration to assure no risk of collision, as required, then ran into all those damnable floaties. Aargh!! Chris Campbell > > > >

Recreational Power boaters seldom have a clew about "rules of the road". At best, they partially understand that "Comercial fishing, trawl nets, have ROW" due to lack of maneuverability. They don't understand this does not include them! Most fishermen dragging lines will pass in front of another boat. Their logic is that the other boat is trawling as well and don't want to run over their lines. All boat sales should require a course on proper boating and safety. Coast guard reserve or power squadron have excellent courses available for cheap. Just my observations John Raxter On Jun 2, 2017, at 11:33 AM, ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > On 6/1/2017 8:05 PM, david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > We cold weather guys have the boat on the hard for at least 6 months, so we probably don't have as much water. My 29 floats on the waterline like you would expect, built in 1971 or 72. I have a few more years before I have to give it up. > David Dobbs Cal29 411 And we're in fresh water, which may be less osmotic. Maybe the chemists can tell us. My Cal 20 is getting extra drying time this year because I can't get my yard guy to put me in. The big boats mean big bucks and they get to cut in line. I have been very grump about this but then I remember that we've had a really cold and generally unpleasant spring, and maybe NOT sailing is actually a gift this year. Last weekend I sailed my other boat for the first time. It was the 50th season I've sailed her. It was a great day for the first sail of the season--light and steady winds from the NE on a sunny day. I should have flown the new genoa but stuck with the working jib because I was single-handing and didn't want the hassle of a sail change if the wind picked up. It didn't, but it didn't drop either, so the boat moved along steadily and I was able to verify my rig setup. The only issue was another boater's stupidity. A small runabout was sportfishing, dragging a bunch of lines with little planer/floater devices. He decided to pass right in front of me, from my port to starboard, so I had to head up some and still ran over his floaty things. He had no clue that he was the burdened vessel--under power, crossing from port, dragging all that stuff with no proper dayshape, not a commercial fisher. He could have altered course slightly and passed behind me, without any adverse effect on his fishing or any other inconvenience. I';m stubborn enough that I'm not going to come about to facilitate this guy's choices. I did my course alteration to assure no risk of collision, as required, then ran into all those damnable floaties. Aargh!! Chris Campbell > > > >

Here in south FL, we have a lot of 40+ ft sport fisherman (can you say Hatteras), ~30 ft center consoles, etc. skippered by private owners. We often encounter boats deliberately trolling across the bow, as well as flying fishing kites. They yell and scream, I generally smile and wave back, they yell more, I go on my way. We also have a drawbridge at the inlet. The big motor yachts typically pay no attention to the flood/ebb tides either. The smaller power boats (with two, three, or as many as five outboards) don't seem to like to wait for those that need the bridge opening. From: "Jraxter jr… [at] triad.rr.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; ccampbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> Cc: david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 28 weight Recreational Power boaters seldom have a clew about "rules of the road". At best, they partially understand that "Comercial fishing, trawl nets, have ROW" due to lack of maneuverability. They don't understand this does not include them! Most fishermen dragging lines will pass in front of another boat. Their logic is that the other boat is trawling as well and don't want to run over their lines. All boat sales should require a course on proper boating and safety. Coast guard reserve or power squadron have excellent courses available for cheap. Just my observations John Raxter On Jun 2, 2017, at 11:33 AM, ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 6/1/2017 8:05 PM, david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: We cold weather guys have the boat on the hard for at least 6 months, so we probably don't have as much water. My 29 floats on the waterline like you would expect, built in 1971 or 72. I have a few more years before I have to give it up. David Dobbs Cal29 411 And we're in fresh water, which may be less osmotic. Maybe the chemists can tell us. My Cal 20 is getting extra drying time this year because I can't get my yard guy to put me in. The big boats mean big bucks and they get to cut in line. I have been very grump about this but then I remember that we've had a really cold and generally unpleasant spring, and maybe NOT sailing is actually a gift this year. Last weekend I sailed my other boat for the first time. It was the 50th season I've sailed her. It was a great day for the first sail of the season--light and steady winds from the NE on a sunny day. I should have flown the new genoa but stuck with the working jib because I was single-handing and didn't want the hassle of a sail change if the wind picked up. It didn't, but it didn't drop either, so the boat moved along steadily and I was able to verify my rig setup. The only issue was another boater's stupidity. A small runabout was sportfishing, dragging a bunch of lines with little planer/floater devices. He decided to pass right in front of me, from my port to starboard, so I had to head up some and still ran over his floaty things. He had no clue that he was the burdened vessel--under power, crossing from port, dragging all that stuff with no proper dayshape, not a commercial fisher. He could have altered course slightly and passed behind me, without any adverse effect on his fishing or any other inconvenience. I';m stubborn enough that I'm not going to come about to facilitate this guy's choices. I did my course alteration to assure no risk of collision, as required, then ran into all those damnable floaties. Aargh!! Chris Campbell

David, if you stay in shape you can be sailing and racing at least until three months before you kick the bucket and get a ticket to visit Davy Jones' Locker. At least that's what my mentor (Ben Kaplan, who insisted I buy a Cal 24-1 and not a Mac Gregor) did. He kept going and going till he was in his late 80's or early 90's. Me? The way I feel every morning these days, I'm not so sure. Yesterday I was looking around for my car keys only to see I was walking around holding them in my right hand. Funny----not funny.Jerry of Shprtiz On Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:05 PM, "david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: We cold weather guys have the boat on the hard for at least 6 months, so we probably don't have as much water. My 29 floats on the waterline like you would expect, built in 1971 or 72. I have a few more years before I have to give it up.David Dobbs Cal29 411 On Thursday, June 1, 2017 6:26 PM, "Allan Neal al… [at] corsaircourt.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Water, at least that’s what I was told. Fiberglass soaks it in. My 2-29 has a deeper draft than spec’ed as well. I’m on the hard soon during renovations. Perhaps I’ll weigh it on the out and in if it’s out long enough to make a difference, which I’m told is years…. AllanGulfport, Florda On May 31, 2017, at 3:12 PM, jo… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi all, it's me again with another question about my Cal 28. My understanding from looking at the original Cal 28 specs is that it displaces around 6,000 lb. When mine was hauled last summer, the lift operator said it was a little more than 9,000 lb. Assuming the scale on the lift is accurate - which it might not be as a former yard manager tells me the lift hasn't been properly maintained - why would my boat weigh so heavy. I know all boats suck up some water but more than 3,000 lb?

On 6/2/2017 1:10 PM, Michael D md… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > We also have a drawbridge at the inlet. The big motor yachts typically > pay no attention to the flood/ebb tides either. The smaller power > boats (with two, three, or as many as five outboards) don't seem to > like to wait for those that need the bridge opening. In the spring when I am working on the boat it will sometimes take me awhile to actually get started on a chore. I'll walk around the boat barn and look at other vessels. This spring there was a big powerboat with three 250-h.p. outboards. I stared at the transom for a while, wondering what kept it from being ripped off. Chris Campbell > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >

Why quit so early, in our club we had one sailor while prepping the boat for a race said “what a beautiful day to be alive” went below for some additional rigging and never came back up. A second sailor died while working the foredeck during a race. One of my crew always said that if he died during the race we should tie him to the high side and finish the race. John B From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 1:17 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; david dobbs Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 28 weight David, if you stay in shape you can be sailing and racing at least until three months before you kick the bucket and get a ticket to visit Davy Jones' Locker. At least that's what my mentor (Ben Kaplan, who insisted I buy a Cal 24-1 and not a Mac Gregor) did. He kept going and going till he was in his late 80's or early 90's. Me? The way I feel every morning these days, I'm not so sure. Yesterday I was looking around for my car keys only to see I was walking around holding them in my right hand. Funny----not funny. Jerry of Shprtiz On Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:05 PM, "david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: We cold weather guys have the boat on the hard for at least 6 months, so we probably don't have as much water. My 29 floats on the waterline like you would expect, built in 1971 or 72. I have a few more years before I have to give it up. David Dobbs Cal29 411 On Thursday, June 1, 2017 6:26 PM, "Allan Neal al… [at] corsaircourt.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Water, at least that’s what I was told. Fiberglass soaks it in. My 2-29 has a deeper draft than spec’ed as well. I’m on the hard soon during renovations. Perhaps I’ll weigh it on the out and in if it’s out long enough to make a difference, which I’m told is years…. Allan Gulfport, Florda On May 31, 2017, at 3:12 PM, jo… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi all, it's me again with another question about my Cal 28. My understanding from looking at the original Cal 28 specs is that it displaces around 6,000 lb. When mine was hauled last summer, the lift operator said it was a little more than 9,000 lb. Assuming the scale on the lift is accurate - which it might not be as a former yard manager tells me the lift hasn't been properly maintained - why would my boat weigh so heavy. I know all boats suck up some water but more than 3,000 lb?

I don't think water could add but so much weight. If you think about the volume of the skin, there just isn't that much there, especially when you consider the cloth takes a significant amount of that volume. > On Jun 1, 2017, at 7:25 PM, Allan Neal al… [at] corsaircourt.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Water, at least that’s what I was told. Fiberglass soaks it in. My 2-29 has a deeper draft than spec’ed as well. I’m on the hard soon during renovations. Perhaps I’ll weigh it on the out and in if it’s out long enough to make a difference, which I’m told is years…. > > > Allan > Gulfport, Florda > > >> On May 31, 2017, at 3:12 PM, jo… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hi all, it's me again with another question about my Cal 28. My understanding from looking at the original Cal 28 specs is that it displaces around 6,000 lb. When mine was hauled last summer, the lift operator said it was a little more than 9,000 lb. Assuming the scale on the lift is accurate - which it might not be as a former yard manager tells me the lift hasn't been properly maintained - why would my boat weigh so heavy. I know all boats suck up some water but more than 3,000 lb? >> >> > >

“Camlin” will be weighed soon. She’s been in the water, first Chesapeake Bay then Florida since forever. She was out for a month in Deltaville (stay clear of the marinas who work on boats if you need your boat worked on!) when the log failed on my attempt to round Smith Point off the Northern Neck, trying to bring her home after the purchase. The bilge pump was just keeping up when I got to Deltaville. That was a fun trip in the cold and sort of like jumping used gear as we say in the skydiving world. Anyway, she’s here waiting for her cradle to be made so she can have the daily care she needs on the hard. Soon the fun begins… Allan > On Jun 2, 2017, at 8:08 PM, Jim Englert sa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I don't think water could add but so much weight. > If you think about the volume of the skin, there just isn't that much there, especially when you consider the cloth takes a significant amount of that volume. > > > > > On Jun 1, 2017, at 7:25 PM, Allan Neal al… [at] corsaircourt.com <mailto:al… [at] corsaircourt.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > >> >> Water, at least that’s what I was told. Fiberglass soaks it in. My 2-29 has a deeper draft than spec’ed as well. I’m on the hard soon during renovations. Perhaps I’ll weigh it on the out and in if it’s out long enough to make a difference, which I’m told is years…. >> >> >> Allan >> Gulfport, Florda >> >> >>> On May 31, 2017, at 3:12 PM, jo… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:jo… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi all, it's me again with another question about my Cal 28. My understanding from looking at the original Cal 28 specs is that it displaces around 6,000 lb. When mine was hauled last summer, the lift operator said it was a little more than 9,000 lb. Assuming the scale on the lift is accurate - which it might not be as a former yard manager tells me the lift hasn't been properly maintained - why would my boat weigh so heavy. I know all boats suck up some water but more than 3,000 lb? >>> >>> >> >> > >