Atomic 4 Water Pump

I have a Cal 30 with an Atomic 4. It has an Oberdorfer 202 water pump. Anyone know if West Marine carries the impeller? Any idea what the part number is?

Have you checked with Moyer Marine? > On Jul 2, 2017, at 11:38 AM, bl… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I have a Cal 30 with an Atomic 4. It has an Oberdorfer 202 water pump. Anyone know if West Marine carries the impeller? Any idea what the part number is? > > > >

Try Moyer Marine ..they are most Helpfull. On Jul 2, 2017 8:40 AM, "bl… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats]" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I have a Cal 30 with an Atomic 4. It has an Oberdorfer 202 water pump. > Anyone know if West Marine carries the impeller? Any idea what the part > number is? > > > >

blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I haven't had any luck at West but any Universal dealer should have that. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Sunday, July 2, 2017, 8:38 AM, bl… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I have a Cal 30 with an Atomic 4. It has an Oberdorfer 202 water pump. Anyone know if West Marine carries the impeller? Any idea what the part number is?

Look up the waterpump guys on L-36.com under Sources tab... OK, in a fit of non-lazyness I looked it up: Depco. But check the site for a link. They are my go-to place for reauilds. Allen On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Greg Beron gb… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I haven't had any luck at West but any Universal dealer should have that. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <https://yho.com/footer0> > > On Sunday, July 2, 2017, 8:38 AM, bl… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats] < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > I have a Cal 30 with an Atomic 4. It has an Oberdorfer 202 water pump. > Anyone know if West Marine carries the impeller? Any idea what the part > number is? > > > >

Gunwale rubber, that is. Anyone have a fix for this problem? I've had very short sections near the bow come a little bit loose before, but nothing like this! No wonder the other skippers were looking at me funny as I pulled into Angel Island; I didn't notice it until stepped onto the dock. Despite doing my best to sail around and over and not straight into the San Pablo Bay ebb chop for less than two hours, it knocked 3/4 of the gunwale off, both port and starboard. And apparently the rubber was protecting a small leak somewhere in the hull-deck joint, too, as some stuff in the cabin got significantly wet. I never got a good look at the hull-deck joint until now, and can't say I'm terribly impressed with the pop rivets and goop keeping this little ship together (including some silicone, which might be temporary fixes by previous owners?). I guess I can't complain; it's worked for 40+ years. But after this incident, I'd like to be confident it will work in worse conditions and for longer periods. So as to the gunwale rubber: any suggestions? Would a new gunwale (e.g. from Steve Seals) be significantly tighter, enough so that it won't come off so easily? http://www.sealsspars.com/gunnelcatalog.html -Adam Cal 2-27 #93 From: "Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; Greg Beron <gb… [at] yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Atomic 4 Water Pump Look up the waterpump guys on L-36.com under Sources tab... OK, in a fit of non-lazyness I looked it up: Depco. But check the site for a link. They are my go-to place for reauilds. Allen On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Greg Beron gb… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I haven't had any luck at West but any Universal dealer should have that. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Sunday, July 2, 2017, 8:38 AM, bl… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I have a Cal 30 with an Atomic 4. It has an Oberdorfer 202 water pump. Anyone know if West Marine carries the impeller? Any idea what the part number is?

I just realized Steve Seals sells raw lengths of the stuff...which leads me to suggest to myself: First try cutting an inch or two off of one end, then pull the whole thing a bit more taut around the boat, and see how that goes. Right? Maybe. From: "Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 7:28 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Loose rubber [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Adam included below] Gunwale rubber, that is. Anyone have a fix for this problem? I've had very short sections near the bow come a little bit loose before, but nothing like this! No wonder the other skippers were looking at me funny as I pulled into Angel Island; I didn't notice it until stepped onto the dock. Despite doing my best to sail around and over and not straight into the San Pablo Bay ebb chop for less than two hours, it knocked 3/4 of the gunwale off, both port and starboard. And apparently the rubber was protecting a small leak somewhere in the hull-deck joint, too, as some stuff in the cabin got significantly wet. I never got a good look at the hull-deck joint until now, and can't say I'm terribly impressed with the pop rivets and goop keeping this little ship together (including some silicone, which might be temporary fixes by previous owners?). I guess I can't complain; it's worked for 40+ years. But after this incident, I'd like to be confident it will work in worse conditions and for longer periods. So as to the gunwale rubber: any suggestions? Would a new gunwale (e.g. from Steve Seals) be significantly tighter, enough so that it won't come off so easily? http://www.sealsspars.com/gunnelcatalog.html -Adam Cal 2-27 #93

That's what I've always done, cut off a few inches and pull it tight. On Jul 4, 2017 21:45, "Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I just realized Steve Seals sells raw lengths of the stuff...which leads > me to suggest to myself: > First try cutting an inch or two off of one end, then pull the whole thing > a bit more taut around the boat, and see how that goes. Right? Maybe. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 4, 2017 7:28 PM > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Loose rubber [2 Attachments] > > > [Attachment(s) > <https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=8ole0tuovod62#TopText> from > Adam included below] > Gunwale rubber, that is. > Anyone have a fix for this problem? > I've had very short sections near the bow come a little bit loose before, > but nothing like this! No wonder the other skippers were looking at me > funny as I pulled into Angel Island; I didn't notice it until stepped onto > the dock. Despite doing my best to sail around and over and not straight > into the San Pablo Bay ebb chop for less than two hours, it knocked 3/4 of > the gunwale off, both port and starboard. And apparently the rubber was > protecting a small leak somewhere in the hull-deck joint, too, as some > stuff in the cabin got significantly wet. I never got a good look at the > hull-deck joint until now, and can't say I'm terribly impressed with the > pop rivets and goop keeping this little ship together (including some > silicone, which might be temporary fixes by previous owners?). I guess I > can't complain; it's worked for 40+ years. But after this incident, I'd > like to be confident it will work in worse conditions and for longer > periods. > > So as to the gunwale rubber: any suggestions? Would a new gunwale (e.g. > from Steve Seals) be significantly tighter, enough so that it won't come > off so easily? http://www.sealsspars.com/gunnelcatalog.html > > -Adam > Cal 2-27 #93 > > > > >

Adam, I changed mine out years ago, with instructions from Charlie Husar and it's been fine. I uncoiled mine and let it stay in the sun for a couple of hours, then began to snap it over the hull to deck joint. I stretched it as much as I could while installing. Start at the stern, the endcap will hold the rubrail in place. It took my brother and I all one day to do it. My thumbs were sore for a week! The yard guys said it would come off when the lifted the boat. Didn't happen. That was the beginning of their respect for me. I had to earn it. Good luck.David Dobbs CAL29 411 On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 10:51 PM, "Robert Thompson ca… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: That's what I've always done, cut off a few inches and pull it tight. On Jul 4, 2017 21:45, "Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I just realized Steve Seals sells raw lengths of the stuff...which leads me to suggest to myself: First try cutting an inch or two off of one end, then pull the whole thing a bit more taut around the boat, and see how that goes. Right? Maybe. From: "Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 7:28 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Loose rubber [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Adam included below] Gunwale rubber, that is. Anyone have a fix for this problem? I've had very short sections near the bow come a little bit loose before, but nothing like this! No wonder the other skippers were looking at me funny as I pulled into Angel Island; I didn't notice it until stepped onto the dock. Despite doing my best to sail around and over and not straight into the San Pablo Bay ebb chop for less than two hours, it knocked 3/4 of the gunwale off, both port and starboard. And apparently the rubber was protecting a small leak somewhere in the hull-deck joint, too, as some stuff in the cabin got significantly wet. I never got a good look at the hull-deck joint until now, and can't say I'm terribly impressed with the pop rivets and goop keeping this little ship together (including some silicone, which might be temporary fixes by previous owners?). I guess I can't complain; it's worked for 40+ years. But after this incident, I'd like to be confident it will work in worse conditions and for longer periods. So as to the gunwale rubber: any suggestions? Would a new gunwale (e.g. from Steve Seals) be significantly tighter, enough so that it won't come off so easily? http://www.sealsspars.com/ gunnelcatalog.html -Adam Cal 2-27 #93

Thanks, David and Robert. I think I'll try trimming the existing one and see just how satisfactorily it can be tightened, and if that fails, buy the new stuff. -Adam From: "david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; Robert Thompson <ca… [at] gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Loose rubber Adam, I changed mine out years ago, with instructions from Charlie Husar and it's been fine. I uncoiled mine and let it stay in the sun for a couple of hours, then began to snap it over the hull to deck joint. I stretched it as much as I could while installing. Start at the stern, the endcap will hold the rubrail in place. It took my brother and I all one day to do it. My thumbs were sore for a week! The yard guys said it would come off when the lifted the boat. Didn't happen. That was the beginning of their respect for me. I had to earn it. Good luck.David Dobbs CAL29 411 On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 10:51 PM, "Robert Thompson ca… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: That's what I've always done, cut off a few inches and pull it tight. On Jul 4, 2017 21:45, "Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I just realized Steve Seals sells raw lengths of the stuff...which leads me to suggest to myself: First try cutting an inch or two off of one end, then pull the whole thing a bit more taut around the boat, and see how that goes. Right? Maybe. From: "Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 7:28 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Loose rubber [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Adam included below] Gunwale rubber, that is. Anyone have a fix for this problem? I've had very short sections near the bow come a little bit loose before, but nothing like this! No wonder the other skippers were looking at me funny as I pulled into Angel Island; I didn't notice it until stepped onto the dock. Despite doing my best to sail around and over and not straight into the San Pablo Bay ebb chop for less than two hours, it knocked 3/4 of the gunwale off, both port and starboard. And apparently the rubber was protecting a small leak somewhere in the hull-deck joint, too, as some stuff in the cabin got significantly wet. I never got a good look at the hull-deck joint until now, and can't say I'm terribly impressed with the pop rivets and goop keeping this little ship together (including some silicone, which might be temporary fixes by previous owners?). I guess I can't complain; it's worked for 40+ years. But after this incident, I'd like to be confident it will work in worse conditions and for longer periods. So as to the gunwale rubber: any suggestions? Would a new gunwale (e.g. from Steve Seals) be significantly tighter, enough so that it won't come off so easily? http://www.sealsspars.com/ gunnelcatalog.html -Adam Cal 2-27 #93

Adam, the old stuff losses its elasticity over time. A restretch might be tough. I buy rub rails from D&R marine (Rudy Nickerson) in Massachusetts. I install self-tapping screws vertically though the rail using the lips of the hull and deck section. This is done during the stretching process. I have it on good word (ex-Jensen employee) that the pop rivets do nothing structural. They were there to hold the deck and hull sections in place while the joint was glassed over from the inside. I can send you my rub rail install instructions and D&R info if you would like them. Take Care Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 5:03 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; Robert Thompson <ca… [at] gmail.com>; david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Loose rubber Thanks, David and Robert. I think I'll try trimming the existing one and see just how satisfactorily it can be tightened, and if that fails, buy the new stuff. -Adam _____ From: "david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; Robert Thompson <ca… [at] gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Loose rubber Adam, I changed mine out years ago, with instructions from Charlie Husar and it's been fine. I uncoiled mine and let it stay in the sun for a couple of hours, then began to snap it over the hull to deck joint. I stretched it as much as I could while installing. Start at the stern, the endcap will hold the rubrail in place. It took my brother and I all one day to do it. My thumbs were sore for a week! The yard guys said it would come off when the lifted the boat. Didn't happen. That was the beginning of their respect for me. I had to earn it. Good luck. David Dobbs CAL29 411 On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 10:51 PM, "Robert Thompson ca… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: That's what I've always done, cut off a few inches and pull it tight. On Jul 4, 2017 21:45, "Adam as… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:as… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > wrote: I just realized Steve Seals sells raw lengths of the stuff...which leads me to suggest to myself: First try cutting an inch or two off of one end, then pull the whole thing a bit more taut around the boat, and see how that goes. Right? Maybe. _____ From: "Adam as… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:as… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> " <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 7:28 PM Subject: [Cal_Boats] Loose rubber [2 Attachments] [ <https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=8ole0tuovod62#TopText> Attachment(s) from Adam included below] Gunwale rubber, that is. Anyone have a fix for this problem? I've had very short sections near the bow come a little bit loose before, but nothing like this! No wonder the other skippers were looking at me funny as I pulled into Angel Island; I didn't notice it until stepped onto the dock. Despite doing my best to sail around and over and not straight into the San Pablo Bay ebb chop for less than two hours, it knocked 3/4 of the gunwale off, both port and starboard. And apparently the rubber was protecting a small leak somewhere in the hull-deck joint, too, as some stuff in the cabin got significantly wet. I never got a good look at the hull-deck joint until now, and can't say I'm terribly impressed with the pop rivets and goop keeping this little ship together (including some silicone, which might be temporary fixes by previous owners?). I guess I can't complain; it's worked for 40+ years. But after this incident, I'd like to be confident it will work in worse conditions and for longer periods. So as to the gunwale rubber: any suggestions? Would a new gunwale (e.g. from Steve Seals) be significantly tighter, enough so that it won't come off so easily? http://www.sealsspars.com/ gunnelcatalog.html <http://www.sealsspars.com/gunnelcatalog.html> -Adam Cal 2-27 #93

Thanks Charlie, Good to know that the rivets aren't there for structural reasons as in holding the deck to the hull. Adam I replaced my rubrail on my Cal 2 34 2 years ago. The trick really is to heat it up in the sun so it will give/stretch. I put mine on a black surface but the air temp wasn't very high so it didn't heat up as I would have liked it to.... took all day with a shit ton of pulling by 2 of us to get it on there. Yes we started at the stern and yes we sealed the joint before putting it on, didn't know about the tapping screw trick. Have fun, Faith Squalicum Harbor, Bellingham WA On 2017-07-05 16:19, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > Adam, the old stuff losses its elasticity over time. A restretch might be tough. I buy rub rails from D&R marine (Rudy Nickerson) in Massachusetts. I install self-tapping screws vertically though the rail using the lips of the hull and deck section. This is done during the stretching process. > > I have it on good word (ex-Jensen employee) that the pop rivets do nothing structural. They were there to hold the deck and hull sections in place while the joint was glassed over from the inside. > > I can send you my rub rail install instructions and D&R info if you would like them. > > Take Care > > Charlie > > Annapolis > > FROM: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > SENT: Wednesday, July 05, 2017 5:03 PM > TO: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; Robert Thompson <ca… [at] gmail.com>; david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> > SUBJECT: Re: [Cal_Boats] Loose rubber > > Thanks, David and Robert. I think I'll try trimming the existing one and see just how satisfactorily it can be tightened, and if that fails, buy the new stuff. > > -Adam > > ------------------------- > > FROM: "david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > TO: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; Robert Thompson <ca… [at] gmail.com> > SENT: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:41 PM > SUBJECT: Re: [Cal_Boats] Loose rubber > > Adam, I changed mine out years ago, with instructions from Charlie Husar and it's been fine. I uncoiled mine and let it stay in the sun for a couple of hours, then began to snap it over the hull to deck joint. I stretched it as much as I could while installing. Start at the stern, the endcap will hold the rubrail in place. It took my brother and I all one day to do it. My thumbs were sore for a week! The yard guys said it would come off when the lifted the boat. Didn't happen. That was the beginning of their respect for me. I had to earn it. Good luck. > > David Dobbs CAL29 411 > > On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 10:51 PM, "Robert Thompson ca… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > That's what I've always done, cut off a few inches and pull it tight. > > On Jul 4, 2017 21:45, "Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > >> I just realized Steve Seals sells raw lengths of the stuff...which leads me to suggest to myself: >> >> First try cutting an inch or two off of one end, then pull the whole thing a bit more taut around the boat, and see how that goes. Right? Maybe. >> >> ------------------------- >> >> FROM: "Adam as… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> TO: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> SENT: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 7:28 PM >> SUBJECT: [Cal_Boats] Loose rubber [2 Attachments] >> >> [ATTACHMENT(S) [1] FROM ADAM INCLUDED BELOW] >> >> Gunwale rubber, that is. >> >> Anyone have a fix for this problem? >> >> I've had very short sections near the bow come a little bit loose before, but nothing like this! No wonder the other skippers were looking at me funny as I pulled into Angel Island; I didn't notice it until stepped onto the dock. Despite doing my best to sail around and over and not straight into the San Pablo Bay ebb chop for less than two hours, it knocked 3/4 of the gunwale off, both port and starboard. And apparently the rubber was protecting a small leak somewhere in the hull-deck joint, too, as some stuff in the cabin got significantly wet. I never got a good look at the hull-deck joint until now, and can't say I'm terribly impressed with the pop rivets and goop keeping this little ship together (including some silicone, which might be temporary fixes by previous owners?). I guess I can't complain; it's worked for 40+ years. But after this incident, I'd like to be confident it will work in worse conditions and for longer periods. >> >> So as to the gunwale rubber: any suggestions? 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