Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Drivers

I second your understanding. From: "Tom Vandiver bs… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: 09/19/2017 5:44 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com>,Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Cc: he… [at] sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Drivers Please note: My thanks and agreement was with Helen. I understand we do not discuss politics on the Cal List. Tom Vandiver From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> Cc: "he… [at] sbcglobal.net" <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Drivers and shop class (was Attention Southern Cal sailors) I had woodshop, metal shop, and electrical shop. I still have some of the stuff I made. I worked on my own car, rebuilt cars for other people for pocket change. Those Ford V8's would last 60,000 miles and then need a valve job. You could fix a TV by swapping out tubes. I built some of my own furniture. I sewed the curtains in my house and made the cushions on my boat. Now cars go 300,000 miles, TVs don't fail and if they do, they are not repairable so you buy a new one. Furniture is so cheap at Ikea or Craigslist that nobody builds it. Clothing is cheaper than the cost of the cloth to make it. I raised my kids to have these skills. My son has a BS in Electrical Engineering and does software for Google, not engineering. My daughter has a MS in Mechanical Engineering and does software for a startup. Times change and these skills are no longer important. We live in a virtual world where boats don't sell because the new generation's leisure time is on the web, not the water. As for our deporting the people who are growing our food and fixing our gutters, you can blame all your friends who voted for third party candidates. Interesting article in VOX. Trump did worse than Romney and he lost to a black man so all those articles you read about how Trump appealed to this or that are all BS. The reason Trump won is that Hillary was so unpopular and oh, she had emails, Comney, Russia, deplorables, and any one of a hundred small mistakes she made. On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Tom Vandiver bs… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I agree. Thank you for sharing. Tom Vandiver From: "Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Drivers and shop class (was Attention Southern Cal sailors) In California as kids we had choices of shop, auto, sewing, home ec., typing, applied arts (which used real tools too). Now you can't fix your car even if you know what's wrong, couldn't find a rack to rent, (service stations are few and if you're lucky can fix a tire for you). Few people sew any more, Craigslist is full of free sewing machines. Fabric stores are scarce. Many of our skilled farmworkers, gardeners are probably going home.When we run out of motivated, skilled, curious, humans who know how to do things or want to learn, or actually touch what they are about to buy, what follows is food shortages, very limited choices of things, Amazon will tell you what you can or can't have. Maybe Google will get to teach people how to cook, grow vegetables, (If Monsanto let's anybody get seeds) ,etc. It's up to us to keep inspiring and teaching every child around us. Who ever thought there could be too much technology? This is why I want to get out on the water as often as I can, and include young people, it still feels real. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:30 PM, jh… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: 2nd that on shop classes. i n think everyone should take shop classes. metal wood electrical automobiles. educating for office work doesn't work