Attention Southern Cal sailors

Can any one of you recommend someone who could make a dodger for me? I will be passing through the area in my new boat on my way to Mexico in the later fall. I have been successful in most of the refit for this boat with the exception of getting a dodger built. Everyone is very busy in this business in the Northwest and Central California. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks, Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Altere Wauquiez 35

Terry, I've used San Diego Canvass Co. ,(858) 576-0725, for an outboard cover: good result at a reasonable price. He is not located on the bay -- maybe why he is a bit cheaper. For a dodger he would need to come to the boat to measure anyway. Good luck, Duane Duane Knize S/V Marlyn 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 berthed: Emeryville, CA kn… [at] san.rr.com On 9/14/2017 4:36 PM, Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > > Can any one of you recommend someone who could make a dodger for me? I > will be passing through the area in my new boat on my way to Mexico in > the later fall. I have been successful in most of the refit for this > boat with the exception of getting a dodger built. Everyone is very > busy in this business in the Northwest and Central California. Any > recommendations would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Terry Spencer > > Capriccio Cal 2-29 > > Altere Wauquiez 35 > >

Hi, JM2 in Victoria BC is very thorough and makes really good quality dodgers, made to last. Martin Cal 20 Cal 3-30 From: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>, "Terry Spencer" <ts… [at] harbornet.com> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:43:14 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Attention Southern Cal sailors(Terry) Terry, I've used San Diego Canvass Co. , (858) 576-0725, for an outboard cover: good result at a reasonable price. He is not located on the bay -- maybe why he is a bit cheaper. For a dodger he would need to come to the boat to measure anyway. Good luck, Duane Duane Knize S/V Marlyn 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 berthed: Emeryville, CA kn… [at] san.rr.com On 9/14/2017 4:36 PM, Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: Can any one of you recommend someone who could make a dodger for me? I will be passing through the area in my new boat on my way to Mexico in the later fall. I have been successful in most of the refit for this boat with the exception of getting a dodger built. Everyone is very busy in this business in the Northwest and Central California. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks, Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Altere Wauquiez 35

Thanks Martin but we are headed out the straits on Wednesday, plan to put the left turn signal on and head for California. I have had a very difficult time getting people to just even call me back about this.. > On Sep 15, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Martin Cownden ma… [at] shaw.ca [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > JM2 in Victoria BC is very thorough and makes really good quality dodgers, made to last. > > Martin > Cal 20 > Cal 3-30 > > From: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> > To: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>>, "Terry Spencer" <ts… [at] harbornet.com <mailto:ts… [at] harbornet.com>> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:43:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Attention Southern Cal sailors(Terry) > > > > Terry, > > I've used San Diego Canvass Co. ,(858) 576-0725, for an outboard cover: good result at a reasonable price. > > He is not located on the bay -- maybe why he is a bit cheaper. For a dodger he would need to come to the boat to measure anyway. > > Good luck, > > Duane > > Duane Knize > S/V Marlyn > 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 > berthed: Emeryville, CA > kn… [at] san.rr.com <mailto:kn… [at] san.rr.com> > On 9/14/2017 4:36 PM, Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com <mailto:ts… [at] harbornet.com> [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > > Can any one of you recommend someone who could make a dodger for me? I will be passing through the area in my new boat on my way to Mexico in the later fall. I have been successful in most of the refit for this boat with the exception of getting a dodger built. Everyone is very busy in this business in the Northwest and Central California. Any recommendations would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Terry Spencer > > Capriccio Cal 2-29 > > Altere Wauquiez 35 > > > > > >

Hi Terry, not sure if you would be interested in the Sailrite company but they fabricate Dodgers as far as I know. And sell the stuff for you to FIT. There are canvas and dodger makers in SF bay area. I can research if you would want, one guy gave a talk at our yacht club in Redwood City, brought by his happy customer (member). They are mostly in North bay locations. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Thanks Martin but we are headed out the straits on Wednesday, plan to put the left turn signal on and head for California. I have had a very difficult time getting people to just even call me back about this.. On Sep 15, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Martin Cownden ma… [at] shaw.ca [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi, JM2 in Victoria BC is very thorough and makes really good quality dodgers, made to last. MartinCal 20Cal 3-30 From: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>, "Terry Spencer" <ts… [at] harbornet.com> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:43:14 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Attention Southern Cal sailors(Terry) Terry, I've used San Diego Canvass Co. ,(858) 576-0725, for an outboard cover: good result at a reasonable price. He is not located on the bay -- maybe why he is a bit cheaper. For a dodger he would need to come to the boat to measure anyway. Good luck, Duane Duane Knize S/V Marlyn 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 berthed: Emeryville, CA kn… [at] san.rr.com On 9/14/2017 4:36 PM, Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: Can any one of you recommend someone who could make a dodger for me? I will be passing through the area in my new boat on my way to Mexico in the later fall. I have been successful in most of the refit for this boat with the exception of getting a dodger built. Everyone is very busy in this business in the Northwest and Central California. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks, Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Altere Wauquiez 35

Try Mike Casey, Sausalito: 415-3316527, www.thecanvasworks.com. He spoke at Sequoia Yacht Club. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Helen Horn<he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hi Terry, not sure if you would be interested in the Sailrite company but they fabricate Dodgers as far as I know. And sell the stuff for you to FIT. There are canvas and dodger makers in SF bay area. I can research if you would want, one guy gave a talk at our yacht club in Redwood City, brought by his happy customer (member). They are mostly in North bay locations. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Thanks Martin but we are headed out the straits on Wednesday, plan to put the left turn signal on and head for California. I have had a very difficult time getting people to just even call me back about this.. On Sep 15, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Martin Cownden ma… [at] shaw.ca [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi, JM2 in Victoria BC is very thorough and makes really good quality dodgers, made to last. MartinCal 20Cal 3-30 From: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>, "Terry Spencer" <ts… [at] harbornet.com> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:43:14 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Attention Southern Cal sailors(Terry) Terry, I've used San Diego Canvass Co. ,(858) 576-0725, for an outboard cover: good result at a reasonable price. He is not located on the bay -- maybe why he is a bit cheaper. For a dodger he would need to come to the boat to measure anyway. Good luck, Duane Duane Knize S/V Marlyn 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 berthed: Emeryville, CA kn… [at] san.rr.com On 9/14/2017 4:36 PM, Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: Can any one of you recommend someone who could make a dodger for me? I will be passing through the area in my new boat on my way to Mexico in the later fall. I have been successful in most of the refit for this boat with the exception of getting a dodger built. Everyone is very busy in this business in the Northwest and Central California. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks, Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Altere Wauquiez 35

SFBay will be hosting Fleet Week Oct 7 and 8 should you have time to stick around. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:53 PM, Helen Horn<he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: Try Mike Casey, Sausalito: 415-3316527, www.thecanvasworks.com. He spoke at Sequoia Yacht Club. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Helen Horn<he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hi Terry, not sure if you would be interested in the Sailrite company but they fabricate Dodgers as far as I know. And sell the stuff for you to FIT. There are canvas and dodger makers in SF bay area. I can research if you would want, one guy gave a talk at our yacht club in Redwood City, brought by his happy customer (member). They are mostly in North bay locations. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Thanks Martin but we are headed out the straits on Wednesday, plan to put the left turn signal on and head for California. I have had a very difficult time getting people to just even call me back about this.. On Sep 15, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Martin Cownden ma… [at] shaw.ca [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi, JM2 in Victoria BC is very thorough and makes really good quality dodgers, made to last. MartinCal 20Cal 3-30 From: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>, "Terry Spencer" <ts… [at] harbornet.com> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:43:14 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Attention Southern Cal sailors(Terry) Terry, I've used San Diego Canvass Co. ,(858) 576-0725, for an outboard cover: good result at a reasonable price. He is not located on the bay -- maybe why he is a bit cheaper. For a dodger he would need to come to the boat to measure anyway. Good luck, Duane Duane Knize S/V Marlyn 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 berthed: Emeryville, CA kn… [at] san.rr.com On 9/14/2017 4:36 PM, Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: Can any one of you recommend someone who could make a dodger for me? I will be passing through the area in my new boat on my way to Mexico in the later fall. I have been successful in most of the refit for this boat with the exception of getting a dodger built. Everyone is very busy in this business in the Northwest and Central California. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks, Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Altere Wauquiez 35

Thanks for the tip Helen. I shall be there during Fleet Week. Sounds like fun. One of my crew for this passage to SF is Fred Haas who you know. Terry > On Sep 15, 2017, at 11:58 PM, Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > SFBay will be hosting Fleet Week Oct 7 and 8 should you have time to stick around. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:53 PM, Helen Horn > <he… [at] sbcglobal.net <mailto:he… [at] sbcglobal.net>> wrote: > Try Mike Casey, Sausalito: 415-3316527, www.thecanvasworks.com. He spoke at Sequoia Yacht Club. Helen > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Helen Horn > <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hi Terry, not sure if you would be interested in the Sailrite company but they fabricate Dodgers as far as I know. And sell the stuff for you to FIT. There are canvas and dodger makers in SF bay area. I can research if you would want, one guy gave a talk at our yacht club in Redwood City, brought by his happy customer (member). They are mostly in North bay locations. Helen > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com [Cal_Boats] > <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Thanks Martin but we are headed out the straits on Wednesday, plan to put the left turn signal on and head for California. I have had a very difficult time getting people to just even call me back about this.. > > > >> On Sep 15, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Martin Cownden ma… [at] shaw.ca <mailto:ma… [at] shaw.ca> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> JM2 in Victoria BC is very thorough and makes really good quality dodgers, made to last. >> >> Martin >> Cal 20 >> Cal 3-30 >> >> From: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> >> To: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>>, "Terry Spencer" <ts… [at] harbornet.com <mailto:ts… [at] harbornet.com>> >> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:43:14 AM >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Attention Southern Cal sailors(Terry) >> >> >> >> Terry, >> >> I've used San Diego Canvass Co. ,(858) 576-0725, for an outboard cover: good result at a reasonable price. >> >> He is not located on the bay -- maybe why he is a bit cheaper. For a dodger he would need to come to the boat to measure anyway. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Duane >> >> Duane Knize >> S/V Marlyn >> 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 >> berthed: Emeryville, CA >> kn… [at] san.rr.com <mailto:kn… [at] san.rr.com> >> On 9/14/2017 4:36 PM, Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com <mailto:ts… [at] harbornet.com> [Cal_Boats] wrote: >> >> >> >> Can any one of you recommend someone who could make a dodger for me? I will be passing through the area in my new boat on my way to Mexico in the later fall. I have been successful in most of the refit for this boat with the exception of getting a dodger built. Everyone is very busy in this business in the Northwest and Central California. Any recommendations would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Terry Spencer >> >> Capriccio Cal 2-29 >> >> Altere Wauquiez 35 >> >> >> >> >> > > >

That's funny. I never heard of a sailboat with turn signals. In California, cars have them, but it is considered bad form to use them. I had a girlfriend from CA and I asked her why she didn't use the turn signals to change lanes. She said if she used them, other cars would pull up next to her, into the blind spot, and prevent her from switching lanes. I've found she's right. I use my signals anyway, the way I was taught in Driver's Ed in High School in NJ (Brown got rid of Drivers Ed, 'cost too much') and just slowly force other cars out of my way. They honk a lot, especially the people driving German cars. They think they own the road. Fortunately, there aren't a lot of sailboats built in Germany. Whew!Fair winds and seas that follow you.Jerry of Shpritz. On Friday, September 15, 2017 9:17 PM, "Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Thanks Martin but we are headed out the straits on Wednesday, plan to put the left turn signal on and head for California. I have had a very difficult time getting people to just even call me back about this.. On Sep 15, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Martin Cownden ma… [at] shaw.ca [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi, JM2 in Victoria BC is very thorough and makes really good quality dodgers, made to last. MartinCal 20Cal 3-30 From: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>, "Terry Spencer" <ts… [at] harbornet.com> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:43:14 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Attention Southern Cal sailors(Terry) Terry,I've used San Diego Canvass Co. ,(858) 576-0725, for an outboard cover: good result at a reasonable price.He is not located on the bay -- maybe why he is a bit cheaper. For a dodger he would need to come to the boat to measure anyway.Good luck,Duane Duane Knize S/V Marlyn 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 berthed: Emeryville, CA kn… [at] san.rr.com On 9/14/2017 4:36 PM, Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: Can any one of you recommend someone who could make a dodger for me? I will be passing through the area in my new boat on my way to Mexico in the later fall. I have been successful in most of the refit for this boat with the exception of getting a dodger built. Everyone is very busy in this business in the Northwest and Central California. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks, Terry Spencer Capriccio Cal 2-29 Altere Wauquiez 35

Hi Terry, I don't know if you're as far north as Bellingham, WA but there's a woman up here who does amazing canvas work and design. She's built the dodger and bimini on her boat,(as well as many others), has the resources and the time. Let me know if you're in these parts, (otherwise known as the beautiful San Juan Islands) and I'll send you her info. Happy Sailing, Faith S/V Sea Jewel, Cal 2 34 Squalicum Harbor Bellingham, WA On 2017-09-14 16:36, Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > Can any one of you recommend someone who could make a dodger for me? I will be passing through the area in my new boat on my way to Mexico in the later fall. I have been successful in most of the refit for this boat with the exception of getting a dodger built. Everyone is very busy in this business in the Northwest and Central California. Any recommendations would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Terry Spencer > > Capriccio Cal 2-29 > > Altere Wauquiez 35 > Links: ------ [1] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Cal_Boats/conversations/messages/43560;_ylc=X3oDMTJydmxxYm92BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAM0MzU2MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE1MDU0MzIxODU-?act=reply&amp;messageNum=43560 [2] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Cal_Boats/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNTg3bTBzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MDU0MzIxODU- [3] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Cal_Boats/conversations/topics/43560;_ylc=X3oDMTM3OW1nMTBwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRtc2dJZAM0MzU2MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MDU0MzIxODUEdHBjSWQDNDM1NjA- [4] https://yho.com/1wwmgg [5] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Cal_Boats/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmODhnamNjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE1MDU0MzIxODU- [6] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Cal_Boats/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnMzgxazhoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNTA1NDMyMTg1 [7] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJldnMyYmU1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDg1Njk1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2NTc5MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTUwNTQzMjE4NQ-- [8] https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html [9] https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/

Someone apologized for posting a pic to the email, but that’s about as far as my Yahoo experience goes. I think you’ll appreciate the photo. A Cal 35 Cruise survived, dry inside, but got pinned in by boats that may never get recovered… at least for a while. less that ten boats road it out without coming off their moorings. Coral Bay in case you can’t read the caption. Everyone took a right turn…. > On Sep 16, 2017, at 11:57 AM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > That's funny. I never heard of a sailboat with turn signals. In California, cars have them, but it is considered bad form to use them. I had a girlfriend from CA and I asked her why she didn't use the turn signals to change lanes. She said if she used them, other cars would pull up next to her, into the blind spot, and prevent her from switching lanes. I've found she's right. I use my signals anyway, the way I was taught in Driver's Ed in High School in NJ (Brown got rid of Drivers Ed, 'cost too much') and just slowly force other cars out of my way. They honk a lot, especially the people driving German cars. They think they own the road. Fortunately, there aren't a lot of sailboats built in Germany. Whew! > Fair winds and seas that follow you. > Jerry of Shpritz. > > > On Friday, September 15, 2017 9:17 PM, "Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com <mailto:ts… [at] harbornet.com> [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > > > > Thanks Martin but we are headed out the straits on Wednesday, plan to put the left turn signal on and head for California. I have had a very difficult time getting people to just even call me back about this.. > > >> On Sep 15, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Martin Cownden ma… [at] shaw.ca <mailto:ma… [at] shaw.ca> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> JM2 in Victoria BC is very thorough and makes really good quality dodgers, made to last. >> >> Martin >> Cal 20 >> Cal 3-30 >> >> From: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> >> To: "cal boats" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>>, "Terry Spencer" <ts… [at] harbornet.com <mailto:ts… [at] harbornet.com>> >> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:43:14 AM >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Attention Southern Cal sailors(Terry) >> >> >> >> Terry, >> I've used San Diego Canvass Co. ,(858) 576-0725, for an outboard cover: good result at a reasonable price. >> He is not located on the bay -- maybe why he is a bit cheaper. For a dodger he would need to come to the boat to measure anyway. >> Good luck, >> Duane >> Duane Knize >> S/V Marlyn >> 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 >> berthed: Emeryville, CA >> kn… [at] san.rr.com <mailto:kn… [at] san.rr.com> >> On 9/14/2017 4:36 PM, Terry Spencer ts… [at] harbornet.com <mailto:ts… [at] harbornet.com> [Cal_Boats] wrote: >> >> >> >> Can any one of you recommend someone who could make a dodger for me? I will be passing through the area in my new boat on my way to Mexico in the later fall. I have been successful in most of the refit for this boat with the exception of getting a dodger built. Everyone is very busy in this business in the Northwest and Central California. Any recommendations would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Terry Spencer >> >> Capriccio Cal 2-29 >> >> Altere Wauquiez 35 >> >> >> >> > > > > >

On 9/16/2017 11:57 AM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > I use my signals anyway, the way I was taught in Driver's Ed in High > School in NJ (Brown got rid of Drivers Ed, 'cost too much') and just > slowly force other cars out of my way. They honk a lot, especially the > people driving German cars. They think they own the road. I have the same experience with drivers. They seem to think that sticker price conveys some sort of privilege. The worst ones are the suburbanites. They live in homes surrounded by vast tracts of lawn outside of town and work in the city where it's cool to work. They come bombing along the streets in my residential neighborhood at irrational speeds, running inconvenient stop signs. When I have to drive to work, I pull out in front of them and drive at 25 mph, the speed limit. Drives 'em nuts. My newest vehicle is a 2005 Ranger so that makes it worse. This is the midwest, where we have salt on the roads and not in the water and a 2005 vehicle is practically an antique. And in the midwest, it's not considered polite to honk your horn much. When you hear it, you know it's somebody who just moved up from Detroit or Chicago. Driver's ed is no longer a school subject around there, having gone the way of shop class. Both are lamented. I spent the weekend buying and placing 200-lb. blocks of concrete at the foot of my Lake Huron seawall, to prevent scouring in storms during our current high water. These are "parking blocks," the concrete devices used in parking lots. The guy who makes 'em loaded them into my truck with his fork lift, but at home I had to extract them, then move them around the house, over a secondary wall, over the primary wall, onto the beach, and then into position, all by myself. It's mostly a matter of basic physics and engineering (hand truck, chains, levers, a come-along, gravity) but many people cannot comprehend how to do it. They are not used to reasoning through a project. One neighbor kept offering to help but I told him I liked the challenge and would call him if it didn't work. The point is that shop class was one of those places where you learned to think and use tools effectively. Once you have some experience doing things, you can keep doing things and learning how to do more from the experience. Geez, this sounds like one of those old-folks rants about the modern world. But I do think we all need to be as self-sufficient as possible, not just frugal people like me but everybody who wants to be independent. Oh yeah, after getting the blocks moved to the lake side of the cottage on Sat., I went sailing on my other boat, moderate breeze just right for my new genoa, a late-day sail on a lovely late-summer day. Sailing is all about being self-sufficient and independent. The TowBoat U.S. vessel was going out to rescue some hapless power boater as I came in the river. I always wave at them. They always make approving gestures at my boat because she's so old & pretty. Best to stay on the right side of them just in case I blow the self-sufficiency part some day. In 50 seasons of sailing that boat I've only needed a tow once, the 300 feet or so from the river to the marina slip when the outboard failed and the wind was right on the nose. That was from a friendly fellow sailor. Chris Campbell

2nd that on shop classes. i n think everyone should take shop classes. metal wood electrical automobiles. educating for office work doesn't work

In California as kids we had choices of shop, auto, sewing, home ec., typing, applied arts (which used real tools too). Now you can't fix your car even if you know what's wrong, couldn't find a rack to rent, (service stations are few and if you're lucky can fix a tire for you). Few people sew any more, Craigslist is full of free sewing machines. Fabric stores are scarce. Many of our skilled farmworkers, gardeners are probably going home.When we run out of motivated, skilled, curious, humans who know how to do things or want to learn, or actually touch what they are about to buy, what follows is food shortages, very limited choices of things, Amazon will tell you what you can or can't have. Maybe Google will get to teach people how to cook, grow vegetables, (If Monsanto let's anybody get seeds) ,etc. It's up to us to keep inspiring and teaching every child around us. Who ever thought there could be too much technology? This is why I want to get out on the water as often as I can, and include young people, it still feels real. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:30 PM, jh… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: 2nd that on shop classes. i n think everyone should take shop classes. metal wood electrical automobiles. educating for office work doesn't work

I agree. Thank you for sharing. Tom Vandiver From: "Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Drivers and shop class (was Attention Southern Cal sailors) In California as kids we had choices of shop, auto, sewing, home ec., typing, applied arts (which used real tools too). Now you can't fix your car even if you know what's wrong, couldn't find a rack to rent, (service stations are few and if you're lucky can fix a tire for you). Few people sew any more, Craigslist is full of free sewing machines. Fabric stores are scarce. Many of our skilled farmworkers, gardeners are probably going home.When we run out of motivated, skilled, curious, humans who know how to do things or want to learn, or actually touch what they are about to buy, what follows is food shortages, very limited choices of things, Amazon will tell you what you can or can't have. Maybe Google will get to teach people how to cook, grow vegetables, (If Monsanto let's anybody get seeds) ,etc. It's up to us to keep inspiring and teaching every child around us. Who ever thought there could be too much technology? This is why I want to get out on the water as often as I can, and include young people, it still feels real. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:30 PM, jh… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: 2nd that on shop classes. i n think everyone should take shop classes. metal wood electrical automobiles. educating for office work doesn't work

I had woodshop, metal shop, and electrical shop. I still have some of the stuff I made. I worked on my own car, rebuilt cars for other people for pocket change. Those Ford V8's would last 60,000 miles and then need a valve job. You could fix a TV by swapping out tubes. I built some of my own furniture. I sewed the curtains in my house and made the cushions on my boat. Now cars go 300,000 miles, TVs don't fail and if they do, they are not repairable so you buy a new one. Furniture is so cheap at Ikea or Craigslist that nobody builds it. Clothing is cheaper than the cost of the cloth to make it. I raised my kids to have these skills. My son has a BS in Electrical Engineering and does software for Google, not engineering. My daughter has a MS in Mechanical Engineering and does software for a startup. Times change and these skills are no longer important. We live in a virtual world where boats don't sell because the new generation's leisure time is on the web, not the water. As for our deporting the people who are growing our food and fixing our gutters, you can blame all your friends who voted for third party candidates. Interesting article in VOX. Trump did worse than Romney and he lost to a black man so all those articles you read about how Trump appealed to this or that are all BS. The reason Trump won is that Hillary was so unpopular and oh, she had emails, Comney, Russia, deplorables, and any one of a hundred small mistakes she made. On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Tom Vandiver bs… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I agree. Thank you for sharing. > > Tom Vandiver > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats]" < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *To:* "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:05 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Drivers and shop class (was Attention > Southern Cal sailors) > > > In California as kids we had choices of shop, auto, sewing, home ec., > typing, applied arts (which used real tools too). Now you can't fix your > car even if you know what's wrong, couldn't find a rack to rent, (service > stations are few and if you're lucky can fix a tire for you). Few people > sew any more, Craigslist is full of free sewing machines. Fabric stores > are scarce. Many of our skilled farmworkers, gardeners are probably going > home.When we run out of motivated, skilled, curious, humans who know how > to do things or want to learn, or actually touch what they are about to > buy, what follows is food shortages, very limited choices of things, Amazon > will tell you what you can or can't have. Maybe Google will get to teach > people how to cook, grow vegetables, (If Monsanto let's anybody get seeds) > ,etc. It's up to us to keep inspiring and teaching every child around us. > Who ever thought there could be too much technology? This is why I want to > get out on the water as often as I can, and include young people, it still > feels real. Helen > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:30 PM, jh… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] > <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > 2nd that on shop classes. i n think everyone should take shop classes. > metal wood electrical automobiles. educating for office work doesn't work > > > > >

“...and teaching every child around us.” This is why they are not around us during the day. “Myth of the Common School” by Charles Leslie Glenn. Good book to take on your next cruise. For the more Conspiracy minded: The Underground History of American Education, John Gatto. I had a house guess that I noticed filling the toilet up with water from a bucket. He keep pouring it in, bucket after bucket. When I asked him why, he said he was going to fill it up then add vinegar to clean it. I had to explained about siphon, etc… You get the picture. This is our educational system (culture) at work. Unfortunately, it works exactly as it is designed to work. Allan On Sep 19, 2017, at 4:14 AM, Tom Vandiver bs… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > and teaching every child around us

Please note: My thanks and agreement was with Helen. I understand we do not discuss politics on the Cal List. Tom Vandiver From: Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; Tom Vandiver <bs… [at] yahoo.com> Cc: "he… [at] sbcglobal.net" <he… [at] sbcglobal.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Drivers and shop class (was Attention Southern Cal sailors) I had woodshop, metal shop, and electrical shop. I still have some of the stuff I made. I worked on my own car, rebuilt cars for other people for pocket change. Those Ford V8's would last 60,000 miles and then need a valve job. You could fix a TV by swapping out tubes. I built some of my own furniture. I sewed the curtains in my house and made the cushions on my boat. Now cars go 300,000 miles, TVs don't fail and if they do, they are not repairable so you buy a new one. Furniture is so cheap at Ikea or Craigslist that nobody builds it. Clothing is cheaper than the cost of the cloth to make it. I raised my kids to have these skills. My son has a BS in Electrical Engineering and does software for Google, not engineering. My daughter has a MS in Mechanical Engineering and does software for a startup. Times change and these skills are no longer important. We live in a virtual world where boats don't sell because the new generation's leisure time is on the web, not the water. As for our deporting the people who are growing our food and fixing our gutters, you can blame all your friends who voted for third party candidates. Interesting article in VOX. Trump did worse than Romney and he lost to a black man so all those articles you read about how Trump appealed to this or that are all BS. The reason Trump won is that Hillary was so unpopular and oh, she had emails, Comney, Russia, deplorables, and any one of a hundred small mistakes she made. On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Tom Vandiver bs… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I agree. Thank you for sharing. Tom Vandiver From: "Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Re: Drivers and shop class (was Attention Southern Cal sailors) In California as kids we had choices of shop, auto, sewing, home ec., typing, applied arts (which used real tools too). Now you can't fix your car even if you know what's wrong, couldn't find a rack to rent, (service stations are few and if you're lucky can fix a tire for you). Few people sew any more, Craigslist is full of free sewing machines. Fabric stores are scarce. Many of our skilled farmworkers, gardeners are probably going home.When we run out of motivated, skilled, curious, humans who know how to do things or want to learn, or actually touch what they are about to buy, what follows is food shortages, very limited choices of things, Amazon will tell you what you can or can't have. Maybe Google will get to teach people how to cook, grow vegetables, (If Monsanto let's anybody get seeds) ,etc. It's up to us to keep inspiring and teaching every child around us. Who ever thought there could be too much technology? This is why I want to get out on the water as often as I can, and include young people, it still feels real. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:30 PM, jh… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: 2nd that on shop classes. i n think everyone should take shop classes. metal wood electrical automobiles. educating for office work doesn't work

On 9/19/2017 2:01 AM, Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > In California as kids we had choices of shop, auto, sewing, home ec., > typing, applied arts (which used real tools too). Now you can't fix > your car even if you know what's wrong, couldn't find a rack to rent, > (service stations are few and if you're lucky can fix a tire for you). > Few people sew any more, Craigslist is full of free sewing machines. > Fabric stores are scarce. A long time ago my brother bought an old Singer sewing machine at a yard sale for a couple bucks and started sewing things--bags for his gadgets, etc. It seemed like a good idea so I found one, a 1920's "New England Queen," and I've used it for car upholstery, boat covers, and keeping the work clothes in one piece. Occasionally I will venture into Joanne Fabrics, a chain fabric store, for supplies, but never on weekends unless I can't avoid it. If there are any other guys there, they are holding their wives' purses. Me, I'm looking for Sunbrella or some suitable thread. > Many of our skilled farmworkers, gardeners are probably going > home.When we run out of motivated, skilled, curious, humans who know > how to do things or want to learn, or actually touch what they are > about to buy, what follows is food shortages, very limited choices of > things, Amazon will tell you what you can or can't have. Maybe Google > will get to teach people how to cook, grow vegetables, (If Monsanto > let's anybody get seeds) ,etc. It's up to us to keep inspiring and > teaching every child around us. Who ever thought there could be too > much technology? One thing I've noticed is that lots of people are willing to try new things when they have access to YouTube videos. There's a "how-to" YouTube video for just about everything. It helps to have a good dose of critical thinking so you can weed the good teachers from the bad ones, but the videos do empower people who otherwise would be intimidated. > This is why I want to get out on the water as often as I can, and > include young people, it still feels real. Helen My constant theme is that sailing makes us rely on our own skills and knowledge to deal with unexpected events and conditions. It's good for our brains to be challenged. Chris Campbell

On 9/19/2017 5:55 AM, Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > I had woodshop, metal shop, and electrical shop. I still have some of > the stuff I made. I worked on my own car, rebuilt cars for other > people for pocket change. Those Ford V8's would last 60,000 miles and > then need a valve job. You could fix a TV by swapping out tubes. I > built some of my own furniture. I sewed the curtains in my house and > made the cushions on my boat. Now cars go 300,000 miles, TVs don't > fail and if they do, they are not repairable so you buy a new one. > Furniture is so cheap at Ikea or Craigslist that nobody builds it. > Clothing is cheaper than the cost of the cloth to make it. > > I raised my kids to have these skills. My son has a BS in Electrical > Engineering and does software for Google, not engineering. My > daughter has a MS in Mechanical Engineering and does software for a > startup. Times change and these skills are no longer important. We > live in a virtual world where boats don't sell because the new > generation's leisure time is on the web, not the water. OK, OK, let's stop lamenting that the world is going to hell on a handbasket. Old folks have been doing that for years. ""Why, in my day...." What is certain is that things change. Engineering skills are still important. We need bridges, water treatment plants, electrical distribution grids, sturdy structures to live and work in. But lots of people find work outside their specific education (always have). Lots of young people engage in outdoor activity. Some of them will migrate to sailing (it's really an activity for mature folks who need a break from other kinds of pressure anyway). I just wish that more of the bright ones would get their eyes off those little screens more often. Chris Campbell > >

On 9/19/2017 6:19 AM, Allan Neal al… [at] corsaircourt.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > This is our educational system (culture) at work. Unfortunately, it > works exactly as it is designed to work. I heard an interview with a young Korean immigrant on the radio the other day. His parents moved here because they thought the U.S. educational system was the best. I try not to blame our schools for things I'm unhappy with. We tend to load all our social burdens on the schools. Kids do drugs? Schools need to teach 'em not to. Kids engage in violence? Schools need to teach kindness and negotiating skills. On & on. It's a wonder the teachers have time to teach adding & subtracting. Every spring I volunteer as a science instructor for a sailing-based marine education program. Grade school (mostly) kids go out for 1/2 days of sailing on a schooner and doing marine science. What is has given me is a deep appreciation for how much hard work it is to teach. It's very demanding to try to engage all those active minds & bodies all day. One thing I have observed among my relatives' and friends' kids is that their high school work is generally at a much higher level than mine was--it's more demanding and substantial than when I was there. The kids seems so much brighter and better informed in many ways. All they need is a dose of shop class to round them out a little. Chris Campbell > >

The local yacht broker is the one that told me that in the old days, when an old guy got too old to sail his boat, he would sell it to a young guy. He said that now, he has to sell it to another old guy because the young ones are not entering the market. Kids have their devices but they are not boats. When I was a kid, my dad was in a yacht club and the members all had kids. Now in our yacht club, the members all have grandkids. The world is different but please don't think I was bitching about it or saying that it was going to hell in a hand basket. Mostly it is progress but it is not helping our sport all that much. Too bad for us. Allen On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 6:59 AM, ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > On 9/19/2017 6:19 AM, Allan Neal al… [at] corsaircourt.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > > This is our educational system (culture) at work. Unfortunately, it works > exactly as it is designed to work. > > > I heard an interview with a young Korean immigrant on the radio the other > day. His parents moved here because they thought the U.S. educational > system was the best. I try not to blame our schools for things I'm unhappy > with. We tend to load all our social burdens on the schools. Kids do > drugs? Schools need to teach 'em not to. Kids engage in violence? > Schools need to teach kindness and negotiating skills. On & on. It's a > wonder the teachers have time to teach adding & subtracting. Every spring > I volunteer as a science instructor for a sailing-based marine education > program. Grade school (mostly) kids go out for 1/2 days of sailing on a > schooner and doing marine science. What is has given me is a deep > appreciation for how much hard work it is to teach. It's very demanding to > try to engage all those active minds & bodies all day. One thing I have > observed among my relatives' and friends' kids is that their high school > work is generally at a much higher level than mine was--it's more demanding > and substantial than when I was there. The kids seems so much brighter and > better informed in many ways. All they need is a dose of shop class to > round them out a little. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > >

they called it vocational training. and no one wanted their child doing those "lowly" things for a living. so everyone trained their child to go to college. the fonze was great on tv but not in "real" life. you reap what you sow john b s/v 1983 catalina 27 On Tuesday, September 19, 2017, 9:06:02 AM CDT, ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 9/19/2017 6:19 AM, Allan Neal al… [at] corsaircourt.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: This is our educational system (culture) at work. Unfortunately, it works exactly as it is designed to work. I heard an interview with a young Korean immigrant on the radio the other day. His parents moved here because they thought the U.S. educational system was the best. I try not to blame our schools for things I'm unhappy with. We tend to load all our social burdens on the schools. Kids do drugs? Schools need to teach 'em not to. Kids engage in violence? Schools need to teach kindness and negotiating skills. On & on. It's a wonder the teachers have time to teach adding & subtracting. Every spring I volunteer as a science instructor for a sailing-based marine education program. Grade school (mostly) kids go out for 1/2 days of sailing on a schooner and doing marine science. What is has given me is a deep appreciation for how much hard work it is to teach. It's very demanding to try to engage all those active minds & bodies all day. One thing I have observed among my relatives' and friends' kids is that their high school work is generally at a much higher level than mine was--it's more demanding and substantial than when I was there. The kids seems so much brighter and better informed in many ways. All they need is a dose of shop class to round them out a little. Chris Campbell

i don't agree about banning non sailing topics..... within reason. civil discussion of those topics near and dear makes us more tolerant of others point of view. I've heard people complain about our tendency to surround ourselves with comfortable subjects and people......the bubble effect. john b s/v 1983 catalina 27 On Tuesday, September 19, 2017, 9:42:55 AM CDT, ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 9/19/2017 5:55 AM, Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: I had woodshop, metal shop, and electrical shop. I still have some of the stuff I made. I worked on my own car, rebuilt cars for other people for pocket change. Those Ford V8's would last 60,000 miles and then need a valve job. You could fix a TV by swapping out tubes. I built some of my own furniture. I sewed the curtains in my house and made the cushions on my boat. Now cars go 300,000 miles, TVs don't fail and if they do, they are not repairable so you buy a new one. Furniture is so cheap at Ikea or Craigslist that nobody builds it. Clothing is cheaper than the cost of the cloth to make it. I raised my kids to have these skills. My son has a BS in Electrical Engineering and does software for Google, not engineering. My daughter has a MS in Mechanical Engineering and does software for a startup. Times change and these skills are no longer important. We live in a virtual world where boats don't sell because the new generation's leisure time is on the web, not the water. OK, OK, let's stop lamenting that the world is going to hell on a handbasket. Old folks have been doing that for years. ""Why, in my day...." What is certain is that things change. Engineering skills are still important. We need bridges, water treatment plants, electrical distribution grids, sturdy structures to live and work in. But lots of people find work outside their specific education (always have). Lots of young people engage in outdoor activity. Some of them will migrate to sailing (it's really an activity for mature folks who need a break from other kinds of pressure anyway). I just wish that more of the bright ones would get their eyes off those little screens more often. Chris Campbell

Sailing underscores our collective preference for self-sufficiency, self direction, respect for maritime law and order, for the needs to responsibly care for our vessels and to keep a helping hand extended to all. We have our own politics. On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 9:14 AM Mail jh… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > i don't agree about banning non sailing topics..... within reason. civil > discussion of those topics near and dear makes us more tolerant of others > point of view. I've heard people complain about our tendency to surround > ourselves with comfortable subjects and people......the bubble effect. > > > john b s/v 1983 catalina 27 > > > > On Tuesday, September 19, 2017, 9:42:55 AM CDT, ccampbell > cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 9/19/2017 5:55 AM, Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] > wrote: > > I had woodshop, metal shop, and electrical shop. I still have some of the > stuff I made. I worked on my own car, rebuilt cars for other people for > pocket change. Those Ford V8's would last 60,000 miles and then need a > valve job. You could fix a TV by swapping out tubes. I built some of my > own furniture. I sewed the curtains in my house and made the cushions on my > boat. Now cars go 300,000 miles, TVs don't fail and if they do, they are > not repairable so you buy a new one. Furniture is so cheap at Ikea or > Craigslist that nobody builds it. Clothing is cheaper than the cost of the > cloth to make it. > > I raised my kids to have these skills. My son has a BS in Electrical > Engineering and does software for Google, not engineering. My daughter has > a MS in Mechanical Engineering and does software for a startup. Times > change and these skills are no longer important. We live in a virtual > world where boats don't sell because the new generation's leisure time is > on the web, not the water. > > > OK, OK, let's stop lamenting that the world is going to hell on a > handbasket. Old folks have been doing that for years. ""Why, in my > day...." What is certain is that things change. Engineering skills are > still important. We need bridges, water treatment plants, electrical > distribution grids, sturdy structures to live and work in. But lots of > people find work outside their specific education (always have). Lots of > young people engage in outdoor activity. Some of them will migrate to > sailing (it's really an activity for mature folks who need a break from > other kinds of pressure anyway). I just wish that more of the bright ones > would get their eyes off those little screens more often. > > Chris Campbell > > > > > > -- *Donald J Thomas* Broker Associate *LIV Sotheby's International Realty* 101 S. Main St. Breckenridge, Colorado 970-409-9133 www.teamthomasmountainhomes.com

On 9/19/2017 11:20 AM, Donald Thomas dn… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > Sailing underscores our collective preference for self-sufficiency, > self direction, respect for maritime law and order, for the needs to > responsibly care for our vessels and to keep a helping hand extended > to all. We have our own politics. Agreed. I live in a blue city in a red county in a kinda purple state. If I only hung out and sailed with people who agreed with my politics I'd have a lot fewer friends. On the boat we are just sailors. Same things with relatives. I've got some with rather extreme views. We mostly leave our politics at home. My town is the home of Michigan's longest-serving and probably most admired governor, a guy who is a member of the other party. But whenever my party nominated some intolerable hack, I'd write in the name of that former gov. because his integrity, good will, and intelligence weren't questioned. Chris Campbell >

I have a story along these lines of tolerance and judgement. My father was a car dealer and a successful one — he joined the local country club and had large parties with friends. When I got older he would ask me to bartend and in those days I would dress up in a suit and tie to tend the bar. I also worked in his body shop where i learned all kinds of skills that I use many, many times a year. (Faired my keel in Portland and was offered a job in the boatyard!) But, I was a junior employee and treated as such so I did a lot of menial tasks. One day I was asked to drive a customer home. I got in the car with my body shop uniform on and drove in silence to her home where I received a very curt “thank you” and she went into her home. That evening I was bartending and got into quite an erudite conversation about society and politics with a group that included that woman. At the end of the conversation she complimented me on my educated points of view and my contributions to the discussion. She closed with, “Much, much better than that loser who drove me home today!!” Don Dutton 1986 Cal 33-2, “Quantum Evolution” > On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Mail jh… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > i don't agree about banning non sailing topics..... within reason. civil discussion of those topics near and dear makes us more tolerant of others point of view. I've heard people complain about our tendency to surround ourselves with comfortable subjects and people......the bubble effect. > > john b s/v 1983 catalina 27 > > > On Tuesday, September 19, 2017, 9:42:55 AM CDT, ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 9/19/2017 5:55 AM, Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com <mailto:al… [at] gmail.com> [Cal_Boats] wrote: >> I had woodshop, metal shop, and electrical shop. I still have some of the stuff I made. I worked on my own car, rebuilt cars for other people for pocket change. Those Ford V8's would last 60,000 miles and then need a valve job. You could fix a TV by swapping out tubes. I built some of my own furniture. I sewed the curtains in my house and made the cushions on my boat. Now cars go 300,000 miles, TVs don't fail and if they do, they are not repairable so you buy a new one. Furniture is so cheap at Ikea or Craigslist that nobody builds it. Clothing is cheaper than the cost of the cloth to make it. >> >> I raised my kids to have these skills. My son has a BS in Electrical Engineering and does software for Google, not engineering. My daughter has a MS in Mechanical Engineering and does software for a startup. Times change and these skills are no longer important. We live in a virtual world where boats don't sell because the new generation's leisure time is on the web, not the water. > > OK, OK, let's stop lamenting that the world is going to hell on a handbasket. Old folks have been doing that for years. ""Why, in my day...." What is certain is that things change. Engineering skills are still important. We need bridges, water treatment plants, electrical distribution grids, sturdy structures to live and work in. But lots of people find work outside their specific education (always have). Lots of young people engage in outdoor activity. Some of them will migrate to sailing (it's really an activity for mature folks who need a break from other kinds of pressure anyway). I just wish that more of the bright ones would get their eyes off those little screens more often. > > Chris Campbell >> >> > > >

Didn't you consider using Hebrew slaves to move those blocks? I saw how they did it in the epic movie "Ten Commandments" with Chuck Heston. BTW he was one of my solar customers circa "Desert Storm". The system I installed was epic. All you need is a few dozen of them and a nasty Egyptian task master with a whip. But don't tell Moses, he'll get in the way of your project. BTW why waste your time with parking bumpers when you could set a few of those massive blocks in place? Another idea would be using the engineering team that built the city of Caesarea Maritima, the seaport built on the coast of Israel that lasted for centuries, until sea rise or subsidence put the kibosh on it. Yeah, that and a time warp.But then again, isn't sailing these Good Olde Boats put us in kind of a time warp? Jerry of Shpritz On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 10:38 AM, "Donald C Dutton dn… [at] comcast.net [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I have a story along these lines of tolerance and judgement. My father was a car dealer and a successful one — he joined the local country club and had large parties with friends. When I got older he would ask me to bartend and in those days I would dress up in a suit and tie to tend the bar. I also worked in his body shop where i learned all kinds of skills that I use many, many times a year. (Faired my keel in Portland and was offered a job in the boatyard!) But, I was a junior employee and treated as such so I did a lot of menial tasks. One day I was asked to drive a customer home. I got in the car with my body shop uniform on and drove in silence to her home where I received a very curt “thank you” and she went into her home. That evening I was bartending and got into quite an erudite conversation about society and politics with a group that included that woman. At the end of the conversation she complimented me on my educated points of view and my contributions to the discussion. She closed with, “Much, much better than that loser who drove me home today!!” Don Dutton1986 Cal 33-2, “Quantum Evolution” On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Mail jh… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: i don't agree about banning non sailing topics..... within reason. civil discussion of those topics near and dear makes us more tolerant of others point of view. I've heard people complain about our tendency to surround ourselves with comfortable subjects and people......the bubble effect. john b s/v 1983 catalina 27 On Tuesday, September 19, 2017, 9:42:55 AM CDT, ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 9/19/2017 5:55 AM, Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: I had woodshop, metal shop, and electrical shop. I still have some of the stuff I made. I worked on my own car, rebuilt cars for other people for pocket change. Those Ford V8's would last 60,000 miles and then need a valve job. You could fix a TV by swapping out tubes. I built some of my own furniture. I sewed the curtains in my house and made the cushions on my boat. Now cars go 300,000 miles, TVs don't fail and if they do, they are not repairable so you buy a new one. Furniture is so cheap at Ikea or Craigslist that nobody builds it. Clothing is cheaper than the cost of the cloth to make it. I raised my kids to have these skills. My son has a BS in Electrical Engineering and does software for Google, not engineering. My daughter has a MS in Mechanical Engineering and does software for a startup. Times change and these skills are no longer important. We live in a virtual world where boats don't sell because the new generation's leisure time is on the web, not the water. OK, OK, let's stop lamenting that the world is going to hell on a handbasket. Old folks have been doing that for years. ""Why, in my day...." What is certain is that things change. Engineering skills are still important. We need bridges, water treatment plants, electrical distribution grids, sturdy structures to live and work in. But lots of people find work outside their specific education (always have). Lots of young people engage in outdoor activity. Some of them will migrate to sailing (it's really an activity for mature folks who need a break from other kinds of pressure anyway). I just wish that more of the bright ones would get their eyes off those little screens more often. Chris Campbell

On 9/19/2017 1:57 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > Didn't you consider using Hebrew slaves to move those blocks? No slaves available. I would even settle for evangelical ones. The closest I can come is friends. But while I'm almost as fit as ever, most guys my age are bundles of impairments. Bad backs, bad knees, bad hips, bad attitudes. A couple years back I had to move a precast concrete porch back into place at the same location. I built a base of 6x6s to elevate it after the cottage got placed on a foundation. My nephew was there, much younger but with fitness only in his thumb muscles from texting, and a reminder that he had a hernia. So I did it myself--levers, fulcrums, rollers. Archimedes: "Give me a lever [some say a fulcrum] and I can move the earth." I always get another guy to help me get the mast stepped and unstepped. These days they are all younger. In the spring I can hire a crew member from the local schooner. But the schooner was off on a multi-day cruise this fall so I tapped my boss's husband. They live right down the alley from me, and he's a sturdy do-it guy. No gripes about infirmities. Once last year I was griping to my family doc about a small case of man-boobs. He responded, "Chris, most guys your age would kill for your body. Stop complaining." Point taken. I'm intensely grateful that when I hit the 7th decade everything is still working. Not all are so lucky. It's a privilege to function well. That's one reason I wanted to move those blocks without help, just to see if I could do it with the right combo of brains and brawn. Not bad for an old guy. A lucky one.... And last night I headed for the boat storage yard to clean up the Cal 20's hull with the miracle cleaner, vinegar. I stopped by the hardware store for a gallon of it and scrubbed off the green stuff on my boottop stripe and the white stuff--calcium deposits--on the hull above it. The vinegar really melts the deposits and does a pretty good job at the waterline. I'm not really sure why we get the hard-water deposits here but you can see the dull effect creep up as the summer passes. Usually I scrub the boottop but this summer was so cool that I was never tempted to jump in and do it. We never had those good hot days that usually come along. Chris Campbell

I feel a need to respond to at least one part of this thread. I have worked around education and high school age kids for a lot of my career. What they now call Career and Technical Education is alive and well. IN my area they are teaching health care careers and aerospace composites, as well as construction and auto shop. There are some amazingly talented young people who are going through our schools nowadays. Education is more rigorous than it used to be with much higher standards than when most of us went to school. Go volunteer in a school or get involved and you will be amazed at the kids today. ?sometimes the really smart kids, taking high end classes also take the shop classes. And may blue collar jobs now require a knowledge of advanced mathematical skills. It is easy to get your impression of kids and education from the media that plays off things that go wrong or kids who screw up, but the good news, while not so sensational, is very reassuring. Terry Cal 2-29 Capriccio Wuaquiez 35 Altere > On Sep 19, 2017, at 11:33 AM, ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > On 9/19/2017 1:57 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] wrote: >> Didn't you consider using Hebrew slaves to move those blocks? > > No slaves available. I would even settle for evangelical ones. The closest I can come is friends. But while I'm almost as fit as ever, most guys my age are bundles of impairments. Bad backs, bad knees, bad hips, bad attitudes. A couple years back I had to move a precast concrete porch back into place at the same location. I built a base of 6x6s to elevate it after the cottage got placed on a foundation. My nephew was there, much younger but with fitness only in his thumb muscles from texting, and a reminder that he had a hernia. So I did it myself--levers, fulcrums, rollers. Archimedes: "Give me a lever [some say a fulcrum] and I can move the earth." > > I always get another guy to help me get the mast stepped and unstepped. These days they are all younger. In the spring I can hire a crew member from the local schooner. But the schooner was off on a multi-day cruise this fall so I tapped my boss's husband. They live right down the alley from me, and he's a sturdy do-it guy. No gripes about infirmities. > > Once last year I was griping to my family doc about a small case of man-boobs. He responded, "Chris, most guys your age would kill for your body. Stop complaining." Point taken. I'm intensely grateful that when I hit the 7th decade everything is still working. Not all are so lucky. It's a privilege to function well. That's one reason I wanted to move those blocks without help, just to see if I could do it with the right combo of brains and brawn. Not bad for an old guy. A lucky one.... > > And last night I headed for the boat storage yard to clean up the Cal 20's hull with the miracle cleaner, vinegar. I stopped by the hardware store for a gallon of it and scrubbed off the green stuff on my boottop stripe and the white stuff--calcium deposits--on the hull above it. The vinegar really melts the deposits and does a pretty good job at the waterline. I'm not really sure why we get the hard-water deposits here but you can see the dull effect creep up as the summer passes. Usually I scrub the boottop but this summer was so cool that I was never tempted to jump in and do it. We never had those good hot days that usually come along. > > Chris Campbell > >