Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30

I wish my Cal 29 rated 183, PHRF SOCAL rates it at 180. RandyCal 2-29Out Patient Channel Islands Ca -------- Original message --------From: "so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: 2/12/18 9:46 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Hi, Well, it looks like I missed out on the deal of Century on a Cal 34-III. Now I'm looking at an ad for a Cal 2-30 on Craigslist. They weigh more than a Cal 34, have a 1' shorter water line, but carry about as much sail area. Interestingly, they have about the same PHRF as a Cal 29, about 183. I was wondering, tho, is the Cal2-30 a more rugged "sea boat" as regards the keel, or, is the Dreaded Beam the same concern? I talked to one Cal Guru, Odin, and he said he'd never heard about Cal 34's having an issue with their beam, but, I have heard of the Cal 40 having such issues. There's a truly fantastic series on rebuilding a Cal 40 on Youtube, from the "ground up" on to quote a deplorably non-nautical terminology. They even gutted the boat, flipped it upside down, and re-glassed the hull around the hull to keel joint. Awe-some! Yerz, Jerry of Shpritz

My CAL 2/30 was built in 1970. No visible keel bolts, so I assume that the keel is encapsulated. Not sure where it was built. First owner was in the Chesapeake Bay. Now in Charlevoix Michigan. Stan Cal 2/30 Haiku Norcal phrf on cal 29 is also 180. Variances with different props, spin or nonspin. Helen.Is the 2-30an encapsulated or bolt-on keel? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:25 PM, so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi, Well, it looks like I missed out on the deal of Century on a Cal 34-III. Now I'm looking at an ad for a Cal 2-30 on Craigslist. They weigh more than a Cal 34, have a 1' shorter water line, but carry about as much sail area. Interestingly, they have about the same PHRF as a Cal 29, about 183. I was wondering, tho, is the Cal2-30 a more rugged "sea boat" as regards the keel, or, is the Dreaded Beam the same concern? I talked to one Cal Guru, Odin, and he said he'd never heard about Cal 34's having an issue with their beam, but, I have heard of the Cal 40 having such issues. There's a truly fantastic series on rebuilding a Cal 40 on Youtube, from the "ground up" on to quote a deplorably non-nautical terminology. They even gutted the boat, flipped it upside down, and re-glassed the hull around the hull to keel joint. Awe-some! Yerz, Jerry of Shpritz

Yes, my understanding from the PO is that mine has an additional inch chopped off the transom at the factory to meet MORC rule. It is actually 29'11". Mine has a folding prop. It rated 180 in the Chesapeake. 177 in Lake Michigan. Stan Haiku Charlevoix Michigan From: Charlie Husar <hu… [at] gmail.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; skicarroll <sk… [at] aol.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 13, 2018 4:30 pm Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Know some folks who race a 2/30. 15/16th rig. 183 rating. Strange item is that the 2/30 has a reverse canted stern with the backstay mounted at the bottom. Could this have been something to do with IOR or MORC rules? Cheer Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; so… [at] yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Hello, We love our Cal 2/30. Great race boat. Our Lake Michigan PHRF is 177. We have a mast head rig. Stan Carroll Charlevoix, Michigan Haiku From: so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Feb 12, 2018 12:46 pm Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Hi, Well, it looks like I missed out on the deal of Century on a Cal 34-III. Now I'm looking at an ad for a Cal 2-30 on Craigslist. They weigh more than a Cal 34, have a 1' shorter water line, but carry about as much sail area. Interestingly, they have about the same PHRF as a Cal 29, about 183. I was wondering, tho, is the Cal2-30 a more rugged "sea boat" as regards the keel, or, is the Dreaded Beam the same concern? I talked to one Cal Guru, Odin, and he said he'd never heard about Cal 34's having an issue with their beam, but, I have heard of the Cal 40 having such issues. There's a truly fantastic series on rebuilding a Cal 40 on Youtube, from the "ground up" on to quote a deplorably non-nautical terminology. They even gutted the boat, flipped it upside down, and re-glassed the hull around the hull to keel joint. Awe-some! Yerz, Jerry of Shpritz

Stan, My 29 is 1972 vintage is hull #411, was built in New Jersey. I believe odd hull #s were built there, even ones in Calif. I actually found the number glassed in the starboard lazarette. David Dobbs. On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM, "sk… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Yes, my understanding from the PO is that mine has an additional inch chopped off the transom at the factory to meet MORC rule. It is actually 29'11". Mine has a folding prop. It rated 180 in the Chesapeake. 177 in Lake Michigan. StanHaikuCharlevoix Michigan From: Charlie Husar <hu… [at] gmail.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; skicarroll <sk… [at] aol.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 13, 2018 4:30 pm Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Know some folks who race a 2/30. 15/16th rig. 183 rating. Strange item is that the 2/30 has a reverse canted stern with the backstay mounted at the bottom. Could this have been something to do with IOR or MORC rules? CheerCharlieAnnapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; so… [at] yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Hello, We love our Cal 2/30. Great race boat. Our Lake Michigan PHRF is 177. We have a mast head rig. Stan CarrollCharlevoix, MichiganHaiku -----Original Message----- From: so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Feb 12, 2018 12:46 pm Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Hi, Well, it looks like I missed out on the deal of Century on a Cal 34-III. Now I'm looking at an ad for a Cal 2-30 on Craigslist. They weigh more than a Cal 34, have a 1' shorter water line, but carry about as much sail area. Interestingly, they have about the same PHRF as a Cal 29, about 183. I was wondering, tho, is the Cal2-30 a more rugged "sea boat" as regards the keel, or, is the Dreaded Beam the same concern? I talked to one Cal Guru, Odin, and he said he'd never heard about Cal 34's having an issue with their beam, but, I have heard of the Cal 40 having such issues. There's a truly fantastic series on rebuilding a Cal 40 on Youtube, from the "ground up" on to quote a deplorably non-nautical terminology. They even gutted the boat, flipped it upside down, and re-glassed the hull around the hull to keel joint. Awe-some! Yerz, Jerry of Shpritz

The Cal 2/30 has the keel shape of the 25, 28, 34, 36, and 40. Definitely encapsulated deep bilge. Was Haiku a Chesapeake boat? I think I remember her. Red? Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 9:02 AM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 My CAL 2/30 was built in 1970. No visible keel bolts, so I assume that the keel is encapsulated. Not sure where it was built. First owner was in the Chesapeake Bay. Now in Charlevoix Michigan. Stan Cal 2/30 Haiku On Feb 12, 2018 23:42, "Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Norcal phrf on cal 29 is also 180. Variances with different props, spin or nonspin. Helen.Is the 2-30an encapsulated or bolt-on keel? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 7:25 PM, so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi, Well, it looks like I missed out on the deal of Century on a Cal 34-III. Now I'm looking at an ad for a Cal 2-30 on Craigslist. They weigh more than a Cal 34, have a 1' shorter water line, but carry about as much sail area. Interestingly, they have about the same PHRF as a Cal 29, about 183. I was wondering, tho, is the Cal2-30 a more rugged "sea boat" as regards the keel, or, is the Dreaded Beam the same concern? I talked to one Cal Guru, Odin, and he said he'd never heard about Cal 34's having an issue with their beam, but, I have heard of the Cal 40 having such issues. There's a truly fantastic series on rebuilding a Cal 40 on Youtube, from the "ground up" on to quote a deplorably non-nautical terminology. They even gutted the boat, flipped it upside down, and re-glassed the hull around the hull to keel joint. Awe-some! Yerz, Jerry of Shpritz

In most Cal models, evens were Jersey, odds were CA. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:52 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; sk… [at] aol.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Stan, My 29 is 1972 vintage is hull #411, was built in New Jersey. I believe odd hull #s were built there, even ones in Calif. I actually found the number glassed in the starboard lazarette. David Dobbs. On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM, "sk… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Yes, my understanding from the PO is that mine has an additional inch chopped off the transom at the factory to meet MORC rule. It is actually 29'11". Mine has a folding prop. It rated 180 in the Chesapeake. 177 in Lake Michigan. Stan Haiku Charlevoix Michigan From: Charlie Husar <hu… [at] gmail.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; skicarroll <sk… [at] aol.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 13, 2018 4:30 pm Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Know some folks who race a 2/30. 15/16th rig. 183 rating. Strange item is that the 2/30 has a reverse canted stern with the backstay mounted at the bottom. Could this have been something to do with IOR or MORC rules? Cheer Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com?> ] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> ; so… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Hello, We love our Cal 2/30. Great race boat. Our Lake Michigan PHRF is 177. We have a mast head rig. Stan Carroll Charlevoix, Michigan Haiku From: so… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Feb 12, 2018 12:46 pm Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Hi, Well, it looks like I missed out on the deal of Century on a Cal 34-III. Now I'm looking at an ad for a Cal 2-30 on Craigslist. They weigh more than a Cal 34, have a 1' shorter water line, but carry about as much sail area. Interestingly, they have about the same PHRF as a Cal 29, about 183. I was wondering, tho, is the Cal2-30 a more rugged "sea boat" as regards the keel, or, is the Dreaded Beam the same concern? I talked to one Cal Guru, Odin, and he said he'd never heard about Cal 34's having an issue with their beam, but, I have heard of the Cal 40 having such issues. There's a truly fantastic series on rebuilding a Cal 40 on Youtube, from the "ground up" on to quote a deplorably non-nautical terminology. They even gutted the boat, flipped it upside down, and re-glassed the hull around the hull to keel joint. Awe-some! Yerz, Jerry of Shpritz

David, I am hull #171. The first owner was JohnThompson of Oxford, Maryland on the eastern shore of Maryland.Her original name then was Windsong. In 1972 Willard and Paul Scott bought and named her Haiku.They raced her until about 1989 out of Middle River, Maryland. Then Gordon LaTrobe and his dad John bought her and raced out of Middle River also. I bought her in 2005, brought her to Annapolis and then moved her to Lake Michigan in 2014. You may be correct, Haiku may have been built in New Jersey. Regards, Stan CAL 2/30 Haiku Charlevoix, Michigan From: david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; skicarroll <sk… [at] aol.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 13, 2018 4:52 pm Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Stan, My 29 is 1972 vintage is hull #411, was built in New Jersey. I believe odd hull #s were built there, even ones in Calif. I actually found the number glassed in the starboard lazarette. David Dobbs. On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:38 PM, "sk… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Yes, my understanding from the PO is that mine has an additional inch chopped off the transom at the factory to meet MORC rule. It is actually 29'11". Mine has a folding prop. It rated 180 in the Chesapeake. 177 in Lake Michigan. Stan Haiku Charlevoix Michigan From: Charlie Husar <hu… [at] gmail.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>; skicarroll <sk… [at] aol.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 13, 2018 4:30 pm Subject: RE: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Know some folks who race a 2/30. 15/16th rig. 183 rating. Strange item is that the 2/30 has a reverse canted stern with the backstay mounted at the bottom. Could this have been something to do with IOR or MORC rules? Cheer Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; so… [at] yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Hello, We love our Cal 2/30. Great race boat. Our Lake Michigan PHRF is 177. We have a mast head rig. Stan Carroll Charlevoix, Michigan Haiku From: so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> To: Cal_Boats <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Feb 12, 2018 12:46 pm Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal29 vs. Cal 2-30 Hi, Well, it looks like I missed out on the deal of Century on a Cal 34-III. Now I'm looking at an ad for a Cal 2-30 on Craigslist. They weigh more than a Cal 34, have a 1' shorter water line, but carry about as much sail area. Interestingly, they have about the same PHRF as a Cal 29, about 183. I was wondering, tho, is the Cal2-30 a more rugged "sea boat" as regards the keel, or, is the Dreaded Beam the same concern? I talked to one Cal Guru, Odin, and he said he'd never heard about Cal 34's having an issue with their beam, but, I have heard of the Cal 40 having such issues. There's a truly fantastic series on rebuilding a Cal 40 on Youtube, from the "ground up" on to quote a deplorably non-nautical terminology. They even gutted the boat, flipped it upside down, and re-glassed the hull around the hull to keel joint. Awe-some! Yerz, Jerry of Shpritz