Wood in place of sheaves on Cal 27?

I have my masr down to do some work and thought id go ahead and replace the sheaves and go to all line halyards instead of wire/line. When i went to pull them out there was a pair like i expected on the aft side of my masthead but forward end looked like they were just wood guides or something. The normal pin was there but after pulling it the wood didn't budge. I didn't want to apply to much force and break something important. The weather has been crappy so with all the mud in the work area its been hard to spend too much time poking at it. Any ideas?

Wull, I dunno about all that, but...I will say years ago I switched to high density polyethelene single braid lines, slightly larger in diameter than steel cable, and I've not looked back. The only thing I will say is I've knoted my halyards to thicker double braid to make the first part of the pulling line easier to hand pull. Example: Amsteel, I think it's the SK75 version, or something like that. Stronger than steel, long lasting, low stretch. Wooohooo! and no MEATHOOKS!Jerry of Shpritz, Cal 24-1 On Sunday, March 4, 2018 1:57 PM, "kl… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I have my masr down to do some work and thought id go ahead and replace the sheaves and go to all line halyards instead of wire/line. When i went to pull them out there was a pair like i expected on the aft side of my masthead but forward end looked like they were just wood guides or something. The normal pin was there but after pulling it the wood didn't budge. I didn't want to apply to much force and break something important. The weather has been crappy so with all the mud in the work area its been hard to spend too much time poking at it. Any ideas? -- {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} {margin-bottom:10px;} .yiv9030387886ad {padding:0 0;} .yiv9030387886ad p {margin:0;} .yiv9030387886ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} {font-family:Arial;} {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} .yiv9030387886ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;} {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;} span {font-weight:700;} span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;} span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;} span span {color:#ff7900;} span .yiv9030387886underline {text-decoration:underline;} .yiv9030387886attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;} .yiv9030387886attach div a {text-decoration:none;} .yiv9030387886attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;} .yiv9030387886attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;} .yiv9030387886attach label a {text-decoration:none;} blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;} .yiv9030387886bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;} .yiv9030387886bold a {text-decoration:none;} dd.yiv9030387886last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;} dd.yiv9030387886last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;} dd.yiv9030387886last p span.yiv9030387886yshortcuts {margin-right:0;} div.yiv9030387886attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;} div.yiv9030387886attach-table {width:400px;} div.yiv9030387886file-title a, div.yiv9030387886file-title a:active, div.yiv9030387886file-title a:hover, div.yiv9030387886file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;} div.yiv9030387886photo-title a, div.yiv9030387886photo-title a:active, div.yiv9030387886photo-title a:hover, div.yiv9030387886photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;} div p a span.yiv9030387886yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;} .yiv9030387886green {color:#628c2a;} .yiv9030387886MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;} o {font-size:0;} div {float:left;width:72px;} div div {border:1px solid #666666;min-height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;} div label {color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;} {font-size:77%;} {font-size:77%;} .yiv9030387886replbq {margin:4px;} div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;} {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} select, input, textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} pre, code {font:115% monospace;} * {line-height:1.22em;} {padding-bottom:10px;} p a {font-family:Verdana;} p span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;} {color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;} {margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;} li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;} li {font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;} ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;} {font-family:Georgia;} p {margin:0 0 1em 0;} tt {font-size:120%;} ul li:last-child {border-right:none !important;}

Hopefully this link to a picture works https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nT4sN8gdhv1obNUx-dmxNwuAyeARJexE/view?usp=drivesdk

Failed phenolic sheaves is my guess. Papoose had phenolic sheaves on the old mast. I had new ones made at one point. On Mar 4, 2018 1:57 PM, "kl… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I have my masr down to do some work and thought id go ahead and replace > the sheaves and go to all line halyards instead of wire/line. > > When i went to pull them out there was a pair like i expected on the aft > side of my masthead but forward end looked like they were just wood guides > or something. The normal pin was there but after pulling it the wood didn't > budge. I didn't want to apply to much force and break something important. > The weather has been crappy so with all the mud in the work area its been > hard to spend too much time poking at it. > > Any ideas? > >

There is a place in Port Townsend that will replace your sheaves for the correct size to match your upgraded halyards. I have forgotten the name. > On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Wull, I dunno about all that, but...I will say years ago I switched to high density polyethelene single braid lines, slightly larger in diameter than steel cable, and I've not looked back. The only thing I will say is I've knoted my halyards to thicker double braid to make the first part of the pulling line easier to hand pull. Example: Amsteel, I think it's the SK75 version, or something like that. Stronger than steel, long lasting, low stretch. Wooohooo! and no MEATHOOKS! > Jerry of Shpritz, Cal 24-1 > > > On Sunday, March 4, 2018 1:57 PM, "kl… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > I have my masr down to do some work and thought id go ahead and replace the sheaves and go to all line halyards instead of wire/line. > > When i went to pull them out there was a pair like i expected on the aft side of my masthead but forward end looked like they were just wood guides or something. The normal pin was there but after pulling it the wood didn't budge. I didn't want to apply to much force and break something important. The weather has been crappy so with all the mud in the work area its been hard to spend too much time poking at it. > > Any ideas? > > >

Take hot boiling water and see If that will help..also you can Go internal and pick up 2 more Halards.edward cal 2.27 ex Indigo sc On Mar 4, 2018 1:57 PM, "kl… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I have my masr down to do some work and thought id go ahead and replace the sheaves and go to all line halyards instead of wire/line. When i went to pull them out there was a pair like i expected on the aft side of my masthead but forward end looked like they were just wood guides or something. The normal pin was there but after pulling it the wood didn't budge. I didn't want to apply to much force and break something important. The weather has been crappy so with all the mud in the work area its been hard to spend too much time poking at it. Any ideas?

Hi, Those wooden things are phenolic sheaves that are supposed to rotate, but got stuck at some point and were worn away by the halyards. My Cal 2-39 has sheaves of the same material in the same configuration, and a second set as well: one pair forward and one pair aft. It looks to me like the aluminum corroded and the white aluminum oxide built up and locked the sheaves in place. You should be able to free them with with some elbow grease. The aluminum divider should come out also. Try rigrite for replacements http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Sheaves.php Nylatron and delrin appear to be the new standard materials. Regards, Duane Duane Knize S/V Marlyn 1978 Cal 2-39 #18 berthed: Emeryville, CA kn… [at] san.rr.com On 3/4/2018 2:37 PM, kl… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > Hopefully this link to a picture works > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nT4sN8gdhv1obNUx-dmxNwuAyeARJexE/view?usp=drivesdk > >

I recommend contacting: Seal's Spars and Rigging On Sunday, March 4, 2018 2:44 PM, "Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Failed phenolic sheaves is my guess. Papoose had phenolic sheaves on the old mast. I had new ones made at one point. On Mar 4, 2018 1:57 PM, "kl… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I have my masr down to do some work and thought id go ahead and replace the sheaves and go to all line halyards instead of wire/line. When i went to pull them out there was a pair like i expected on the aft side of my masthead but forward end looked like they were just wood guides or something. The normal pin was there but after pulling it the wood didn't budge. I didn't want to apply to much force and break something important. The weather has been crappy so with all the mud in the work area its been hard to spend too much time poking at it. Any ideas?

On 3/4/2018 5:44 PM, Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > Failed phenolic sheaves is my guess. Papoose had phenolic sheaves on > the old mast. I had new ones made at one point. Yeah. Phenolic sheaves. My other boat (1961) has its originals and the Cal 20 (1967) too. But where those boats live, the mast is down 6 months of each year so everything lasts longer. The good thing about phenolic material is that it didn't have corrosion problems. It was the durable nonmetallic option in those times. Chris Campbell >