Money trouble for our club as racers don't drink enough

Hi, Our beer can races are losing money because many fewer drinks are sold compared to 5 years ago. We need to make the races more profitable. We only have about 12 boats a week show up and I am guessing average of 4 crew per boat. Not every crew comes to the club after the race. Members race for free, non members $100. 17 races in 3 series. Dinner is cook your own burger, salad, sides, $7. Beer is $3. There are other expenses as there are 6 trophies per night in the two classes. There is also gas for the CB. I am wondering what other clubs charge for meals and race registration. Bar prices are club wide and can't change. Allen

Santa Monica Windjammers charges $7/beer. We were meeting there after our Tuesday nite races, but got a better offer elsewhere. But I don't know what they charge. $3/beer is considerably below what anyone charges in 2018. You could as a minimum go up to $4 or even $5/beer without creating much fuss. And some nominal fee/race isn't going to kill anyone. Considering the alternative which is, not using the boat much and costing two months slip fee plus maintenance per boat use, it's a 'tremendous' deal. Jerry of Shpritz On Thursday, March 8, 2018 4:22 PM, "Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi, Our beer can races are losing money because many fewer drinks are sold compared to 5 years ago. We need to make the races more profitable. We only have about 12 boats a week show up and I am guessing average of 4 crew per boat. Not every crew comes to the club after the race. Members race for free, non members $100. 17 races in 3 series.Dinner is cook your own burger, salad, sides, $7. Beer is $3. There are other expenses as there are 6 trophies per night in the two classes. There is also gas for the CB. I am wondering what other clubs charge for meals and race registration. Bar prices are club wide and can't change. Allen -- {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} {margin-bottom:10px;} .yiv4096902420ad {padding:0 0;} .yiv4096902420ad p {margin:0;} .yiv4096902420ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} {font-family:Arial;} {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} .yiv4096902420ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;} {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;} span {font-weight:700;} span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;} span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;} span span {color:#ff7900;} span .yiv4096902420underline {text-decoration:underline;} .yiv4096902420attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;} .yiv4096902420attach div a {text-decoration:none;} .yiv4096902420attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;} .yiv4096902420attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;} .yiv4096902420attach label a {text-decoration:none;} blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;} .yiv4096902420bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;} .yiv4096902420bold a {text-decoration:none;} dd.yiv4096902420last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;} dd.yiv4096902420last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;} dd.yiv4096902420last p span.yiv4096902420yshortcuts {margin-right:0;} div.yiv4096902420attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;} div.yiv4096902420attach-table {width:400px;} div.yiv4096902420file-title a, div.yiv4096902420file-title a:active, div.yiv4096902420file-title a:hover, div.yiv4096902420file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;} div.yiv4096902420photo-title a, div.yiv4096902420photo-title a:active, div.yiv4096902420photo-title a:hover, div.yiv4096902420photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;} div p a span.yiv4096902420yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;} .yiv4096902420green {color:#628c2a;} .yiv4096902420MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;} o {font-size:0;} div {float:left;width:72px;} div div {border:1px solid #666666;min-height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;} div label {color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;} {font-size:77%;} {font-size:77%;} .yiv4096902420replbq {margin:4px;} div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;} {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} select, input, textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} pre, code {font:115% monospace;} * {line-height:1.22em;} {padding-bottom:10px;} p a {font-family:Verdana;} p span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;} {color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;} {margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;} li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;} li {font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;} ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;} {font-family:Georgia;} p {margin:0 0 1em 0;} tt {font-size:120%;} ul li:last-child {border-right:none !important;}

15 dollors stakes 10 burgers both you cook Hey allen do you want to go to this.. Friday night dinner usually 18 bucks We will pay your dinner ticket.. Edward and Helen..Caliente C36 Fastest Cal in south bay On Mar 8, 2018 4:22 PM, "Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > Our beer can races are losing money because many fewer drinks are sold > compared to 5 years ago. We need to make the races more profitable. > > We only have about 12 boats a week show up and I am guessing average of 4 > crew per boat. Not every crew comes to the club after the race. > > Members race for free, non members $100. 17 races in 3 series. > Dinner is cook your own burger, salad, sides, $7. Beer is $3. > > There are other expenses as there are 6 trophies per night in the two > classes. There is also gas for the CB. > > I am wondering what other clubs charge for meals and race registration. > Bar prices are club wide and can't change. > > Allen > >

At GGYC members and nonmembers were charged the same entry fees for Friday night beer can series, $165? if memory serves. dinner was provided for crew. We mostly had two drinks for owner and crew. We had about 15/20 boats show up most Fridays, My Best, Mike Farrell Yellow Jack US57313 On ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎8‎, ‎2018‎ ‎04‎:‎20‎:‎34‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi, Our beer can races are losing money because many fewer drinks are sold compared to 5 years ago. We need to make the races more profitable. We only have about 12 boats a week show up and I am guessing average of 4 crew per boat. Not every crew comes to the club after the race. Members race for free, non members $100. 17 races in 3 series.Dinner is cook your own burger, salad, sides, $7. Beer is $3. There are other expenses as there are 6 trophies per night in the two classes. There is also gas for the CB. I am wondering what other clubs charge for meals and race registration. Bar prices are club wide and can't change. Allen

Our Wednesday night races have about 9-10 boats. Our Sea Scouts cook burgers before, not sure the price this year. After we usually just hang around, self service beer for $1.00, craft $2.00, honor system. Club racers pay a yearly fee, $50.00 I think. It's all low key, 2 sections, j&m, and spin. It's not designed to make income, it's a benefit of being a member. I sometimes do RC. We use government marks for the course, have enough so we can fit it to the wind. Yes, Lake Michigan, Chicago, but we have shoal marks, a water intake crib, and a large pier. It works. David Dobbs CAL29 411 On Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:55 PM, "mike farrell ve… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: At GGYC members and nonmembers were charged the same entry fees for Friday night beer can series, $165? if memory serves. dinner was provided for crew. We mostly had two drinks for owner and crew. We had about 15/20 boats show up most Fridays, My Best, Mike Farrell Yellow Jack US57313 On ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎8‎, ‎2018‎ ‎04‎:‎20‎:‎34‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi, Our beer can races are losing money because many fewer drinks are sold compared to 5 years ago. We need to make the races more profitable. We only have about 12 boats a week show up and I am guessing average of 4 crew per boat. Not every crew comes to the club after the race. Members race for free, non members $100. 17 races in 3 series.Dinner is cook your own burger, salad, sides, $7. Beer is $3. There are other expenses as there are 6 trophies per night in the two classes. There is also gas for the CB. I am wondering what other clubs charge for meals and race registration. Bar prices are club wide and can't change. Allen

Allen, the big clubs in the Annapolis area charge everyone an entry fee – member or not. Your food price sounds reasonable. Don’t know what you provide for trophies, but 6 a week is pretty high. I’ve seen everything from flags to etched beer glasses to small bottles of rum to knick-knacks. The biggest club, AYC, does not do weekly trophies. Their Wednesday Night Series has around 100 entries for an 18 week summer season. I would have the Windjammers brought up on fraud or grand theft charges for that beer price, Jerry. 3-4 bucks is nominal in our area. Best of Luck Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 7:33 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; Allen Edwards <al… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Money trouble for our club as racers don't drink enough Santa Monica Windjammers charges $7/beer. We were meeting there after our Tuesday nite races, but got a better offer elsewhere. But I don't know what they charge. $3/beer is considerably below what anyone charges in 2018. You could as a minimum go up to $4 or even $5/beer without creating much fuss. And some nominal fee/race isn't going to kill anyone. Considering the alternative which is, not using the boat much and costing two months slip fee plus maintenance per boat use, it's a 'tremendous' deal. Jerry of Shpritz On Thursday, March 8, 2018 4:22 PM, "Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com <mailto:al… [at] gmail.com> [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > wrote: Hi, Our beer can races are losing money because many fewer drinks are sold compared to 5 years ago. We need to make the races more profitable. We only have about 12 boats a week show up and I am guessing average of 4 crew per boat. Not every crew comes to the club after the race. Members race for free, non members $100. 17 races in 3 series. Dinner is cook your own burger, salad, sides, $7. Beer is $3. There are other expenses as there are 6 trophies per night in the two classes. There is also gas for the CB. I am wondering what other clubs charge for meals and race registration. Bar prices are club wide and can't change. Allen

Our Venture-MacGregor Fleet has charged $30 a year for 30 races on Tuesday Nite, going from the start to the end of Daylite Savings. But... It's a non-landed club. Cal Yacht Club does significantly less races/season, and for its cruiser class, the race is at best half as long, doesn't start until half past six o'clock (vs. circa six for VMF), costs $15/race (and don't get no respect from the PHRF crazies..er..razors who think we're just getting in their way). Yet because of it's prestige, CYC has no shortage of participants, including easily 2/3rds or more of the same racers who participate in our Tuesday Nite Trials (TNT) races. But, since joining VMF, I'm not one of them. When "the clubs" found out we were using "their" Olympic Buoy's for our races, they wanted to charge us a $60 a race/fee. So, we set up our own buoys using bleach bottles, until last year, when they relented because so many of the TNT racers were members of landed yacht clubs. In the meantime, we came up with some amazingly imaginative races, for example, using the entire detached breakwater all 1/3 to half mile of it, as a windward buoy, and, some of the center channel buoys for the same purpose. And then, well, I'll let one of the Cal owners on this site tell you about the course he invented for our last five race segment. It was a doozy. (crash boom bam). We've been holding our after race gathering at a dive/sports bar in Playa del Rey, but lately, Pacific Mariner's YC has invited us to use their facilities. I think this will be really nice. We'll see. Jerry of Shpritz On Thursday, March 8, 2018 5:55 PM, "mike farrell ve… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: At GGYC members and nonmembers were charged the same entry fees for Friday night beer can series, $165? if memory serves. dinner was provided for crew. We mostly had two drinks for owner and crew. We had about 15/20 boats show up most Fridays, My Best, Mike Farrell Yellow Jack US57313 On ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎8‎, ‎2018‎ ‎04‎:‎20‎:‎34‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi, Our beer can races are losing money because many fewer drinks are sold compared to 5 years ago. We need to make the races more profitable. We only have about 12 boats a week show up and I am guessing average of 4 crew per boat. Not every crew comes to the club after the race. Members race for free, non members $100. 17 races in 3 series.Dinner is cook your own burger, salad, sides, $7. Beer is $3. There are other expenses as there are 6 trophies per night in the two classes. There is also gas for the CB. I am wondering what other clubs charge for meals and race registration. Bar prices are club wide and can't change. Allen

I thought this forum was about Cal boats, sailing and to refurb a classic sailboat not about folks crying about not making enough money off of others. What fee we charge to members and non-members or they want to charge us to use there bouy for a race. How about going back to the basics of what this forum was started about. Cal boats, re furbing them, sailing them, keeping there legacy alive for those to come. Travis E Owen, Captain, OUPV & Master 50 ton > On Mar 9, 2018, at 07:39, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Our Venture-MacGregor Fleet has charged $30 a year for 30 races on Tuesday Nite, going from the start to the end of Daylite Savings. But... It's a non-landed club. Cal Yacht Club does significantly less races/season, and for its cruiser class, the race is at best half as long, doesn't start until half past six o'clock (vs. circa six for VMF), costs $15/race (and don't get no respect from the PHRF crazies..er..razors who think we're just getting in their way). Yet because of it's prestige, CYC has no shortage of participants, including easily 2/3rds or more of the same racers who participate in our Tuesday Nite Trials (TNT) races. But, since joining VMF, I'm not one of them. > > When "the clubs" found out we were using "their" Olympic Buoy's for our races, they wanted to charge us a $60 a race/fee. So, we set up our own buoys using bleach bottles, until last year, when they relented because so many of the TNT racers were members of landed yacht clubs. In the meantime, we came up with some amazingly imaginative races, for example, using the entire detached breakwater all 1/3 to half mile of it, as a windward buoy, and, some of the center channel buoys for the same purpose. And then, well, I'll let one of the Cal owners on this site tell you about the course he invented for our last five race segment. It was a doozy. (crash boom bam). > > We've been holding our after race gathering at a dive/sports bar in Playa del Rey, but lately, Pacific Mariner's YC has invited us to use their facilities. I think this will be really nice. We'll see. > Jerry of Shpritz > > > On Thursday, March 8, 2018 5:55 PM, "mike farrell ve… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > At GGYC members and nonmembers were charged the same entry fees for Friday night beer can series, $165? if memory serves.. dinner was provided for crew. We mostly had two drinks for owner and crew. We had about 15/20 boats show up most Fridays, My Best, Mike Farrell Yellow Jack US57313 > > > On ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎8‎, ‎2018‎ ‎04‎:‎20‎:‎34‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > Our beer can races are losing money because many fewer drinks are sold compared to 5 years ago. We need to make the races more profitable. > > We only have about 12 boats a week show up and I am guessing average of 4 crew per boat. Not every crew comes to the club after the race. > > Members race for free, non members $100. 17 races in 3 series. > Dinner is cook your own burger, salad, sides, $7. Beer is $3. > > There are other expenses as there are 6 trophies per night in the two classes. There is also gas for the CB. > > I am wondering what other clubs charge for meals and race registration. Bar prices are club wide and can't change. > > Allen > > > > >

Wow, kind of grumpy are we? On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:01 PM, Travis E Owen sw… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I thought this forum was about Cal boats, sailing and to refurb a classic > sailboat not about folks crying about not making enough money off of > others. What fee we charge to members and non-members or they want to > charge us to use there bouy for a race. > How about going back to the basics of what this forum was started about. > Cal boats, re furbing them, sailing them, keeping there legacy alive for > those to come. > > Travis E Owen, > Captain, > OUPV & Master 50 ton > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 9, 2018, at 07:39, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Our Venture-MacGregor Fleet has charged $30 a year for 30 races on Tuesday > Nite, going from the start to the end of Daylite Savings.. But... It's a > non-landed club. Cal Yacht Club does significantly less races/season, and > for its cruiser class, the race is at best half as long, doesn't start > until half past six o'clock (vs. circa six for VMF), costs $15/race (and > don't get no respect from the PHRF crazies..er..razors who think we're just > getting in their way). Yet because of it's prestige, CYC has no shortage of > participants, including easily 2/3rds or more of the same racers who > participate in our Tuesday Nite Trials (TNT) races. But, since joining VMF, > I'm not one of them. > > When "the clubs" found out we were using "their" Olympic Buoy's for our > races, they wanted to charge us a $60 a race/fee. So, we set up our own > buoys using bleach bottles, until last year, when they relented because so > many of the TNT racers were members of landed yacht clubs. In the meantime, > we came up with some amazingly imaginative races, for example, using the > entire detached breakwater all 1/3 to half mile of it, as a windward buoy, > and, some of the center channel buoys for the same purpose. And then, well, > I'll let one of the Cal owners on this site tell you about the course he > invented for our last five race segment. It was a doozy. (crash boom bam). > > We've been holding our after race gathering at a dive/sports bar in Playa > del Rey, but lately, Pacific Mariner's YC has invited us to use their > facilities. I think this will be really nice. We'll see. > Jerry of Shpritz > > > On Thursday, March 8, 2018 5:55 PM, "mike farrell ve… [at] yahoo.com > [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > At GGYC members and nonmembers were charged the same entry fees for Friday > night beer can series, $165? if memory serves... dinner was provided for > crew. We mostly had two drinks for owner and crew. We had about 15/20 > boats show up most Fridays, My Best, Mike Farrell Yellow Jack US57313 > > > On ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎8‎, ‎2018‎ ‎04‎:‎20‎:‎34‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Allen Edwards > al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > Our beer can races are losing money because many fewer drinks are sold > compared to 5 years ago. We need to make the races more profitable. > > We only have about 12 boats a week show up and I am guessing average of 4 > crew per boat. Not every crew comes to the club after the race. > > Members race for free, non members $100. 17 races in 3 series. > Dinner is cook your own burger, salad, sides, $7. Beer is $3. > > There are other expenses as there are 6 trophies per night in the two > classes. There is also gas for the CB. > > I am wondering what other clubs charge for meals and race registration. > Bar prices are club wide and can't change. > > Allen > > > > > >

No not at all, but this seems to be the trend with this forum. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; Travis E Owen <sw… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Money trouble for our club as racers don't drink enough Wow, kind of grumpy are we? On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:01 PM, Travis E Owen sw… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:sw… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > wrote: I thought this forum was about Cal boats, sailing and to refurb a classic sailboat not about folks crying about not making enough money off of others. What fee we charge to members and non-members or they want to charge us to use there bouy for a race. How about going back to the basics of what this forum was started about. Cal boats, re furbing them, sailing them, keeping there legacy alive for those to come. Travis E Owen, Captain, OUPV & Master 50 ton On Mar 9, 2018, at 07:39, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:so… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > wrote: Our Venture-MacGregor Fleet has charged $30 a year for 30 races on Tuesday Nite, going from the start to the end of Daylite Savings.. But... It's a non-landed club. Cal Yacht Club does significantly less races/season, and for its cruiser class, the race is at best half as long, doesn't start until half past six o'clock (vs. circa six for VMF), costs $15/race (and don't get no respect from the PHRF crazies..er..razors who think we're just getting in their way). Yet because of it's prestige, CYC has no shortage of participants, including easily 2/3rds or more of the same racers who participate in our Tuesday Nite Trials (TNT) races. But, since joining VMF, I'm not one of them. When "the clubs" found out we were using "their" Olympic Buoy's for our races, they wanted to charge us a $60 a race/fee. So, we set up our own buoys using bleach bottles, until last year, when they relented because so many of the TNT racers were members of landed yacht clubs. In the meantime, we came up with some amazingly imaginative races, for example, using the entire detached breakwater all 1/3 to half mile of it, as a windward buoy, and, some of the center channel buoys for the same purpose. And then, well, I'll let one of the Cal owners on this site tell you about the course he invented for our last five race segment. It was a doozy. (crash boom bam). We've been holding our after race gathering at a dive/sports bar in Playa del Rey, but lately, Pacific Mariner's YC has invited us to use their facilities. I think this will be really nice. We'll see. Jerry of Shpritz On Thursday, March 8, 2018 5:55 PM, "mike farrell ve… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:ve… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > wrote: At GGYC members and nonmembers were charged the same entry fees for Friday night beer can series, $165? if memory serves... dinner was provided for crew. We mostly had two drinks for owner and crew. We had about 15/20 boats show up most Fridays, My Best, Mike Farrell Yellow Jack US57313 On ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎8‎, ‎2018‎ ‎04‎:‎20‎:‎34‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com <mailto:al… [at] gmail.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > wrote: Hi, Our beer can races are losing money because many fewer drinks are sold compared to 5 years ago. We need to make the races more profitable. We only have about 12 boats a week show up and I am guessing average of 4 crew per boat. Not every crew comes to the club after the race. Members race for free, non members $100. 17 races in 3 series. Dinner is cook your own burger, salad, sides, $7. Beer is $3. There are other expenses as there are 6 trophies per night in the two classes. There is also gas for the CB. I am wondering what other clubs charge for meals and race registration. Bar prices are club wide and can't change. Allen

I am surprised to see a complaint about this particular thread, Travis. Many of our Cal sailors race, and keep their boats in shape for this style as well as cruising. It follows that the issue here is keeping beercan/sunset club racing venues open, so that we can race. If you do use your boat in this fashion, you would notice that there are less participants lately,, at least in San Francisco Bay. (Sunset /beercans don't usually begin til after daylight savings).However. It is a thrill to see our plastic classics still participating and holding our own against the boats that cost 10 times as much with much shorter life spans. If you want to fix your Cal, this is the site to peruse, as well as to learn that Allen Edward's has built and maintained the L36 site to help you and the rest of us to more information than you could probably use in your lifetime. Some of the Cal owners here are still wintering on the hard around the country. But, anyone here can start a thread, ask a question ,, most likely get more than one solution. , hear about activities, cruises, and it also is probable one or more topics may not interest you. My question is, and I compliment you on your achievements, which probably make you a great sailor and seaman, what would you like to know about your boat that we could help you wifh? Meanwhile, I was enjoying learning about the challenges racers are having in striking balances to keep the races going, and making it affordable for the clubs and the racers. Helen Horn Cal 36, hull#60 Caliente in Redwood City, and Cal 2-27. Ex-indigo, Santa Cruz, California Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:30 PM, 'Travis' sw… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: No not at all, but this seems to be the trend with this forum. From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:16 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; Travis E Owen <sw… [at] yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Money trouble for our club as racers don't drink enough Wow, kind of grumpy are we? On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:01 PM, Travis E Owen sw… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I thought this forum was about Cal boats, sailing and to refurb a classic sailboat not about folks crying about not making enough money off of others. What fee we charge to members and non-members or they want to charge us to use there bouy for a race. How about going back to the basics of what this forum was started about. Cal boats, re furbing them, sailing them, keeping there legacy alive for those to come. Travis E Owen, Captain, OUPV & Master 50 ton On Mar 9, 2018, at 07:39, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Our Venture-MacGregor Fleet has charged $30 a year for 30 races on Tuesday Nite, going from the start to the end of Daylite Savings.. But... It's a non-landed club. Cal Yacht Club does significantly less races/season, and for its cruiser class, the race is at best half as long, doesn't start until half past six o'clock (vs. circa six for VMF), costs $15/race (and don't get no respect from the PHRF crazies..er..razors who think we're just getting in their way). Yet because of it's prestige, CYC has no shortage of participants, including easily 2/3rds or more of the same racers who participate in our Tuesday Nite Trials (TNT) races. But, since joining VMF, I'm not one of them. When "the clubs" found out we were using "their" Olympic Buoy's for our races, they wanted to charge us a $60 a race/fee. So, we set up our own buoys using bleach bottles, until last year, when they relented because so many of the TNT racers were members of landed yacht clubs. In the meantime, we came up with some amazingly imaginative races, for example, using the entire detached breakwater all 1/3 to half mile of it, as a windward buoy, and, some of the center channel buoys for the same purpose. And then, well, I'll let one of the Cal owners on this site tell you about the course he invented for our last five race segment. It was a doozy. (crash boom bam). We've been holding our after race gathering at a dive/sports bar in Playa del Rey, but lately, Pacific Mariner's YC has invited us to use their facilities. I think this will be really nice. We'll see. Jerry of Shpritz On Thursday, March 8, 2018 5:55 PM, "mike farrell ve… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: At GGYC members and nonmembers were charged the same entry fees for Friday night beer can series, $165? if memory serves... dinner was provided for crew. We mostly had two drinks for owner and crew. We had about 15/20 boats show up most Fridays, My Best, Mike Farrell Yellow Jack US57313 On ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎8‎, ‎2018‎ ‎04‎:‎20‎:‎34‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi, Our beer can races are losing money because many fewer drinks are sold compared to 5 years ago. We need to make the races more profitable. We only have about 12 boats a week show up and I am guessing average of 4 crew per boat. Not every crew comes to the club after the race. Members race for free, non members $100. 17 races in 3 series. Dinner is cook your own burger, salad, sides, $7. Beer is $3. There are other expenses as there are 6 trophies per night in the two classes. There is also gas for the CB. I am wondering what other clubs charge for meals and race registration. Bar prices are club wide and can't change. Allen

On 3/8/2018 11:01 PM, Travis E Owen sw… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > I thought this forum was about Cal boats, sailing and to refurb a > classic sailboat not about folks crying about not making enough money > off of others. What fee we charge to members and non-members or they > want to charge us to use there bouy for a race. > How about going back to the basics of what this forum was started > about. Cal boats, re furbing them, sailing them, keeping there legacy > alive for those to come. Well, I don't race my Cal 20, and after too many incidents affecting those around me caused by alcohol, I'm not much of a fan of recreational drinking. But we should remember that racing is one thing that does attract some people to sailing and keep them involved. The constant lament is that sailing is dying because younger people aren't getting involved. When I was first becoming a sailor, back in the 1960s, boats like ours were mostly owned by older people. Of course, "older" had a different meaning to me then than it does now, but still.... The younger sailors tended to be in the small-boat racing fleets, the Lightnings or maybe the 110s and a few Rhodes Bantams. One young enthusiast got out and practiced in his Finn for races elsewhere. The original owner of my Cal 20 was a local-legend racer as a young person but in the Cal he mostly sailed with his "lady friends" and seemed like he must have been 90 years old (he was younger than I am now). So if we want to have a lively sailing scene and have people interested in buying, restoring, and sailing old fiberglass boats, we need to encourage a sailing culture that will draw people in. For many that is the yacht club. Clubs of one form or another are what keep local races going. Where my other boat lives, the races are organized by a local race club, not one of the two local yacht clubs. So all of this is relevant to our Cals, in my view. And for subjects that bore me, I can wield the "delete" key as well as the next guy--free and easy, no effort required. But mostly I enjoy reading these threads. They keep us distracted from politics or religion or (even more dangerous a topic), Which Anchor is Best. Chris Campbell >