Best Deck Hardware Bedding Compound

OK, Folks. Time to change the title of the thread. Put me in for an upvote on the butyl rubber. Has worked well for me, and is very easy to handle. It does not have adhesive properties, but fills a space beautifully. The part that oozes out the sides of the fitting/part? Just cut it off and even reuse it. I would just caution that there are some variations in quality (or maybe call it gooey-ness). I do not know how to scientifically assess this quality of the stuff. I know it when I see it. I can give some guidance on how to use it if anyone is interested. By the way, I want to thank Helen for her thoughtful response on the previous thread. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:12 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; TomDressler <tb… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Money trouble for our club as racers don't drink enough On 3/9/2018 2:34 PM, 'TomDressler' tb… [at] gmail.com <mailto:tb… [at] gmail.com> [Cal_Boats] wrote: I can start a fresh one: what’s the best bedding compound for my deck hardware? This list won me over to butyl rubber tape from the RV store--especially if you bevel the holes (deck & hardware) with a countersink to form a little ring of the stuff around the fasteners, and don't over-tighten so as to squish it all out. Chris Campbell

I don't like the butyl from the RV store. Compass Marine sells very good stuff. Also, butyl tape is used by roofing firms on metal roofs and is good stuff. Reggie Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 3:42 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; 'ccampbell' Subject: [Cal_Boats] Best Deck Hardware Bedding Compound OK, Folks. Time to change the title of the thread. Put me in for an upvote on the butyl rubber. Has worked well for me, and is very easy to handle. It does not have adhesive properties, but fills a space beautifully. The part that oozes out the sides of the fitting/part? Just cut it off and even reuse it. I would just caution that there are some variations in quality (or maybe call it gooey-ness). I do not know how to scientifically assess this quality of the stuff. I know it when I see it. I can give some guidance on how to use it if anyone is interested. By the way, I want to thank Helen for her thoughtful response on the previous thread. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:12 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; TomDressler <tb… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Money trouble for our club as racers don't drink enough On 3/9/2018 2:34 PM, 'TomDressler' tb… [at] gmail.com<mailto:tb… [at] gmail.com> [Cal_Boats] wrote: I can start a fresh one: what’s the best bedding compound for my deck hardware? This list won me over to butyl rubber tape from the RV store--especially if you bevel the holes (deck & hardware) with a countersink to form a little ring of the stuff around the fasteners, and don't over-tighten so as to squish it all out. Chris Campbell

I guess butyl tape has a shelf life, as I bought and installed my opening ports with it purchased from Ideal rv in Redwood City. It was tough to manage. That store closed. Then I bought some from the RV repair place in Santa Cruz and it was much softer and workable. I think wherever you buy it test it's flexibility. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:10 PM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I don't like the butyl from the RV store. Compass Marine sells very good stuff. Also, butyl tape is used by roofing firms on metal roofs and is good stuff. Reggie Sent from Outlook From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 3:42 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; 'ccampbell' Subject: [Cal_Boats] Best Deck Hardware Bedding Compound OK, Folks. Time to change the title of the thread. Put me in for an upvote on the butyl rubber. Has worked well for me, and is very easy to handle. It does not have adhesive properties, but fills a space beautifully. The part that oozes out the sides of the fitting/part? Just cut it off and even reuse it. I would just caution that there are some variations in quality (or maybe call it gooey-ness). I do not know how to scientifically assess this quality of the stuff. I know it when I see it. I can give some guidance on how to use it if anyone is interested. By the way, I want to thank Helen for her thoughtful response on the previous thread. Cheers Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:12 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; TomDressler <tb… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Money trouble for our club as racers don't drink enough On 3/9/2018 2:34 PM, 'TomDressler' tb… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: I can start a fresh one: what’s the best bedding compound for my deck hardware? This list won me over to butyl rubber tape from the RV store--especially if you bevel the holes (deck & hardware) with a countersink to form a little ring of the stuff around the fasteners, and don't over-tighten so as to squish it all out. Chris Campbell

Butyl Rubber caulk has always what has been recommended for bedding things like thru holes, vs. urethane or silicon based formulas which may be difficult to remove. I guess one should ask, "Will I want to or need to remove this some day? I bedded my thru hulls in '97 and so far so good. SSSssoooo, shall we discuss Marlon vs. Bronze thru hull fittings next? Can someone change this title. It used to be easy to do when we were part of Sailnet.net. I still have to go to the Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com web site to start a thread.What I like about Marlon is that they can't corrode. BTW it's glass reinforced Nylon.Shpritz On Friday, March 9, 2018 9:28 PM, "Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I guess butyl tape has a shelf life, as I bought and installed my opening ports with it purchased from Ideal rv in Redwood City. It was tough to manage. That store closed. Then I bought some from the RV repair place in Santa Cruz and it was much softer and workable. I think wherever you buy it test it's flexibility. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:10 PM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I don't like the butyl from the RV store. Compass Marine sells very good stuff. Also, butyl tape is used by roofing firms on metal roofs and is good stuff.Reggie Sent from Outlook From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 3:42 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; 'ccampbell' Subject: [Cal_Boats] Best Deck Hardware Bedding Compound OK, Folks. Time to change the title of the thread. Put me in for an upvote on the butyl rubber. Has worked well for me, and is very easy to handle. It does not have adhesive properties, but fills a space beautifully. The part that oozes out the sides of the fitting/part? Just cut it off and even reuse it. I would just caution that there are some variations in quality (or maybe call it gooey-ness). I do not know how to scientifically assess this quality of the stuff. I know it when I see it. I can give some guidance on how to use it if anyone is interested. By the way, I want to thank Helen for her thoughtful response on the previous thread. CheersCharlieAnnapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:12 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; TomDressler <tb… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Money trouble for our club as racers don't drink enough On 3/9/2018 2:34 PM, 'TomDressler' tb… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: I can start a fresh one: what’s the best bedding compound for my deck hardware? This list won me over to butyl rubber tape from the RV store--especially if you bevel the holes (deck & hardware) with a countersink to form a little ring of the stuff around the fasteners, and don't over-tighten so as to squish it all out. Chris Campbell

I found this when I looked for Compass Marinehttps://shop.hamiltonmarine.com/products/butyl-tape-bed-it-1-2--x-50--roll-4482.html On Friday, March 9, 2018 11:14 PM, "Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Butyl Rubber caulk has always what has been recommended for bedding things like thru holes, vs. urethane or silicon based formulas which may be difficult to remove. I guess one should ask, "Will I want to or need to remove this some day? I bedded my thru hulls in '97 and so far so good. SSSssoooo, shall we discuss Marlon vs. Bronze thru hull fittings next? Can someone change this title. It used to be easy to do when we were part of Sailnet.net. I still have to go to the Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com web site to start a thread.What I like about Marlon is that they can't corrode. BTW it's glass reinforced Nylon.Shpritz On Friday, March 9, 2018 9:28 PM, "Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I guess butyl tape has a shelf life, as I bought and installed my opening ports with it purchased from Ideal rv in Redwood City. It was tough to manage. That store closed. Then I bought some from the RV repair place in Santa Cruz and it was much softer and workable. I think wherever you buy it test it's flexibility. Helen Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:10 PM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I don't like the butyl from the RV store. Compass Marine sells very good stuff. Also, butyl tape is used by roofing firms on metal roofs and is good stuff.Reggie Sent from Outlook From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> on behalf of 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 3:42 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; 'ccampbell' Subject: [Cal_Boats] Best Deck Hardware Bedding Compound OK, Folks. Time to change the title of the thread. Put me in for an upvote on the butyl rubber. Has worked well for me, and is very easy to handle. It does not have adhesive properties, but fills a space beautifully. The part that oozes out the sides of the fitting/part? Just cut it off and even reuse it. I would just caution that there are some variations in quality (or maybe call it gooey-ness). I do not know how to scientifically assess this quality of the stuff. I know it when I see it. I can give some guidance on how to use it if anyone is interested. By the way, I want to thank Helen for her thoughtful response on the previous thread. CheersCharlieAnnapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:12 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com; TomDressler <tb… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Money trouble for our club as racers don't drink enough On 3/9/2018 2:34 PM, 'TomDressler' tb… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: I can start a fresh one: what’s the best bedding compound for my deck hardware? This list won me over to butyl rubber tape from the RV store--especially if you bevel the holes (deck & hardware) with a countersink to form a little ring of the stuff around the fasteners, and don't over-tighten so as to squish it all out. Chris Campbell

I like "Bed-It" tape from Hamilton Marine - Maine Sail has done a lot of testing to get the best formula possible.

I like “Bed-it” too and have used it extensively. “Bed-it” is a brand name butyl tape and appears to be available from several sources. http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape I would not use just any butyl tape such as something from an rv store. “Bed-it” is purpose-made for what we need it to do on our boats. Just as importantly, Compass Marine has some excellent descriptions and photos of how to best use the tape: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/rebedding_hardware -Doug > On Mar 10, 2018, at 3:07 PM, c_… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I like "Bed-It" tape from Hamilton Marine - Maine Sail has done a lot of testing to get the best formula possible. > >

For those unfamiliar, they call it tape because of the production shape, but it is the consistency of kids’ clay or silly putty. You can knead/finger roll it into any shape you want. Doesn’t stick to your skin. For instance, let’s say you are mounting track with multiple screws. Just wrap a little worm shaped piece of the butyl under each screw (below the track) while you have the track in your hands. The butyl holds all the screws in place until you align them with the holes all at once. Then press into place. So much easier than the tube caulks. Don’t forget to countersink the holes in the boat. When the screws are tight, just cut away any residual butyl with putty knife or box cutter. Yu can reuse the cut-offs. Take Care Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 3:08 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Best Deck Hardware Bedding Compound I like "Bed-It" tape from Hamilton Marine - Maine Sail has done a lot of testing to get the best formula possible.

I read about people using caulk cord for deck fittings. I tried it and it is easy to use and seems to work well. I don't think I would use it for thru hulls. On Saturday, March 10, 2018, 12:35:37 PM PST, 'Charlie Husar' hu… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: For those unfamiliar, they call it tape because of the production shape, but it is the consistency of kids’ clay or silly putty. You can knead/finger roll it into any shape you want. Doesn’t stick to your skin. For instance, let’s say you are mounting track with multiple screws. Just wrap a little worm shaped piece of the butyl under each screw (below the track) while you have the track in your hands. The butyl holds all the screws in place until you align them with the holes all at once. Then press into place. So much easier than the tube caulks. Don’t forget to countersink the holes in the boat. When the screws are tight, just cut away any residual butyl with putty knife or box cutter. Yu can reuse the cut-offs. Take Care Charlie Annapolis From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 3:08 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Re: Best Deck Hardware Bedding Compound I like "Bed-It" tape from Hamilton Marine - Maine Sail has done a lot of testing to get the best formula possible.

On 3/9/2018 9:09 PM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > I don't like the butyl from the RV store. Compass Marine sells very > good stuff. Also, butyl tape is used by roofing firms on metal roofs > and is good stuff. > So what's the gripe on the RV store tape? I bought a roll at such a place and it seems to work well for bedding. It oozes well, has some stickiness (e.g.,, to my fingers), and generally seems to be useful stuff. Maybe my RV store just had higher standards than others. But perhaps we should figure out what characteristics we ought to be selecting for. Maybe we should get Practical Sailor to look at it. They've done comparisons of marine caulks but I don't recall butyl tape being among the varieties. Chris Campbell

On 3/10/2018 2:18 AM, Gerald Sobel so… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > I found this when I looked for Compass Marine > https://shop.hamiltonmarine.com/products/butyl-tape-bed-it-1-2--x-50--roll-4482.html Hamilton Marine is one of my usual sources when I'm mad at West Marine for not carrying some common useful maintenance item that they've always carried before. In other words, I depend upon them and Defender for most of my boat purchases now. Here's what that link contained about their brand of butyl tape: > This tape is specifically formulated and extruded for the installation > of deck fittings to the decks of boats. All aspects of the > installation procedure and necessary formulation requirements have > been brought together in a marine specific bedding tape. - It has been > designed to: - Work across wide temperature ranges with minimal creep > or cold flow even in hot climates - Formulated to have exceptional > tolerance to withstand slight movement between deck and fitting - > Stand up to typical boat washing chemicals - Stick to the parts not > your fingers - Have the proper density for use in a compression > application. - Have right density to allow it to displace (Displace what?) That does give some idea of the criteria affecting choice of tape. Chris Campbell >