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I forgot to mention. this listing will not appear on eBay until about 7:30pm PST tonight. Reggie https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Cal-Cruinng-36/183714610122 Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

Sorry your boat didn't sell on eBay, do you mind if I ask what the reserve amount was? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:56 AM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I forgot to mention. this listing will not appear on eBay until about 7:30pm PST tonight.Reggie https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Cal-Cruinng-36/183714610122 Sent from Outlook

$24899 On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Captain Jack ca… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:ca… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: Sorry your boat didn't sell on eBay, do you mind if I ask what the reserve amount was? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:56 AM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com<mailto:my… [at] hotmail.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: I forgot to mention. this listing will not appear on eBay until about 7:30pm PST tonight. Reggie https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Cal-Cruinng-36/183714610122 Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

Accepting offers On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:46 AM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com<mailto:my… [at] hotmail.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: $24899 On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Captain Jack ca… [at] yahoo.com<mailto:ca… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: Sorry your boat didn't sell on eBay, do you mind if I ask what the reserve amount was? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:56 AM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com<mailto:my… [at] hotmail.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com<mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: I forgot to mention. this listing will not appear on eBay until about 7:30pm PST tonight. Reggie https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Cal-Cruinng-36/183714610122 Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

Seems like a boat would sell better on Craigslist. eBay is better for things you can put in the mail. If you don't need national reach, sell local. Cheaper too. Allen On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 8:39 AM r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Accepting offers > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:46 AM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats] < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > $24899 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Captain Jack ca… [at] yahoo.com > [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Sorry your boat didn't sell on eBay, do you mind if I ask what the reserve > amount was? > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:56 AM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats] > <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > I forgot to mention. this listing will not appear on eBay until about > 7:30pm PST tonight. > Reggie > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Cal-Cruinng-36/183714610122 > > > Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> > > >

This reminds us of the difference between inherent value and market value. Market value is what willing seller and a willing buyer agree on. The buyer and seller must consider the condition of the item and how functional it is in its current condition, but more importantly, what another one like it can be bought for. Inherent value is what it's worth to me. My boats are worth more to me than to strangers, likely, for a bunch of intangible reasons. I know how they behave in various conditions. I know what the defects are, what needs work, and what the strengths are. I know where everything is and what's aboard and how it works. My other boat has the new-ish standing rigging, new sails, the cool new bronze centerboard. The Cal 20 is in good shape and I have repaired most of the defects. Most of all, owning a boat is like owning a dog: they are worth a lot more than we pay for them. Our boats take us out on the water to relax and to exercise skills and meet challenges. What's the market value of that? Not much, but we all pay the price every year in the annual costs of owning the things and in lost investment returns on the money. Neither of my boats has much market value. One is 58 years old, the other 52. The Cal 20 cost me $900 and maybe I could get that now, maybe not, if I threw in the extra stuff she's fitted out with. The other boat might or might not bring me $5,000 if the right person came along. But I'd sell neither if somebody came up and waved the market-value cash under my nose. Market value is not what they're worth to me. The older one holds 51 years of memories and experiences for me, the younger one 20 years' worth. When the time comes to sell, market value will be the starting criterion. But it's not the only one. Given a choice between selling to a buyer who's likely to neglect or abuse the boat and offers a high price, or a buyer who obviously adores the vessel and will be a good custodian and has less money, I'll take less. That's the person who will recognize the inherent value in the boats. That's the person who will enjoy the rewards and challenges of sailing and maybe will pass along the vessel to another such person when the time comes. Maybe that's the real benefit of owning old, cheap boats. We can make decisions that are financially irresponsible. Chris Campbell On 3/15/2019 11:48 AM, Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > Seems like a boat would sell better on Craigslist. eBay is better for > things you can put in the mail. If you don't need national reach, sell > local. Cheaper too. > > Allen > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 8:39 AM r good my… [at] hotmail.com > <mailto:my… [at] hotmail.com> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > > Accepting offers > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:46 AM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com > <mailto:my… [at] hotmail.com> [Cal_Boats] > <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > >> $24899 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Captain Jack >> ca… [at] yahoo.com <mailto:ca… [at] yahoo.com> >> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: >> >>> Sorry your boat didn't sell on eBay, do you mind if I ask what >>> the reserve amount was? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:56 AM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com >>> <mailto:my… [at] hotmail.com> [Cal_Boats] >>> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>> <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: >>> I forgot to mention. this listing will not appear on eBay >>> until about 7:30pm PST tonight. >>> Reggie >>> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Cal-Cruinng-36/183714610122 >>> >>> >>> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> >>> > > >

My old wood boat is probably worth $1000 if I could find someone to buy it. There is one listed for sale for $20,000 that someone mistakenly bought thinking it was worth more because he saw one listed at $68,000. I know that boat ultimately sold for $1000, not $68,000. But when I was dismasted I was lucky enough to have a lawyer on my crew that explained the difference between market value and the value to me as an owner. I showed three L-36s where the owners had been willing to put $70,000 or more into them, mine being one of the three. Another rather dramatic story was of one there the owner hit a buoy and did $70,000 damage and paid to have it fixed. That was strong evidence of what the boat was worth to him. I make a strong case to the insurance company of the boat that hit me (I never filed a claim with my company because I asked for and got more than what it is insured for) that the boat was worth that. I ultimately got what I wanted, less than that but more than half that and enough to get me a new mast from the best mast builder around these parts as well as repairing the rest of the boat including new bottom paint and assorted repairs. But when it is time to sell the boat, I know I am screwed. Allen On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 9:50 AM ccampbell <cc… [at] lsnm.org> wrote: > This reminds us of the difference between inherent value and market > value. Market value is what willing seller and a willing buyer agree on. > The buyer and seller must consider the condition of the item and how > functional it is in its current condition, but more importantly, what > another one like it can be bought for. > > Inherent value is what it's worth to me. My boats are worth more to me > than to strangers, likely, for a bunch of intangible reasons. I know how > they behave in various conditions. I know what the defects are, what needs > work, and what the strengths are. I know where everything is and what's > aboard and how it works. My other boat has the new-ish standing rigging, > new sails, the cool new bronze centerboard. The Cal 20 is in good shape > and I have repaired most of the defects. Most of all, owning a boat is > like owning a dog: they are worth a lot more than we pay for them. Our > boats take us out on the water to relax and to exercise skills and meet > challenges. What's the market value of that? Not much, but we all pay the > price every year in the annual costs of owning the things and in lost > investment returns on the money. > > Neither of my boats has much market value. One is 58 years old, the other > 52. The Cal 20 cost me $900 and maybe I could get that now, maybe not, if I > threw in the extra stuff she's fitted out with. The other boat might or > might not bring me $5,000 if the right person came along. But I'd sell > neither if somebody came up and waved the market-value cash under my nose. > Market value is not what they're worth to me. The older one holds 51 years > of memories and experiences for me, the younger one 20 years' worth. > > When the time comes to sell, market value will be the starting criterion. > But it's not the only one. Given a choice between selling to a buyer who's > likely to neglect or abuse the boat and offers a high price, or a buyer who > obviously adores the vessel and will be a good custodian and has less > money, I'll take less. That's the person who will recognize the inherent > value in the boats. That's the person who will enjoy the rewards and > challenges of sailing and maybe will pass along the vessel to another such > person when the time comes. > > Maybe that's the real benefit of owning old, cheap boats. We can make > decisions that are financially irresponsible. > > Chris Campbell > On 3/15/2019 11:48 AM, Allen Edwards al… [at] gmail.com > [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > > > Seems like a boat would sell better on Craigslist. eBay is better for > things you can put in the mail. If you don't need national reach, sell > local. Cheaper too. > > Allen > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 8:39 AM r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats] < > Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Accepting offers >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:46 AM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats] < >> Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> $24899 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Captain Jack ca… [at] yahoo.com >> [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Sorry your boat didn't sell on eBay, do you mind if I ask what the >> reserve amount was? >> >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> >> >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:56 AM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats] >> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> I forgot to mention. this listing will not appear on eBay until about >> 7:30pm PST tonight. >> Reggie >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Cal-Cruinng-36/183714610122 >> >> >> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> >> >> > > > >

Wow too bad almost made the reserve price almost 4 months of expenses away I hope you find a buyer she really looks beautiful Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 7:46 AM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: $24899 On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Captain Jack ca… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Sorry your boat didn't sell on eBay, do you mind if I ask what the reserve amount was? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:56 AM, r good my… [at] hotmail.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: I forgot to mention. this listing will not appear on eBay until about 7:30pm PST tonight.Reggie https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Cal-Cruinng-36/183714610122 Sent from Outlook

On 3/15/2019 3:07 PM, Allen Edwards wrote: > But when it is time to sell the boat, I know I am screwed. > > Allen > > No, you got the value out of the boat by sailing. Chris campbell