Cal 2-29

I have our 1974 Cal 2-29 finished for the most part (of course, is any boat ever finished?). We took our first sail as a family across the bar Yesterday (Saturday, May 31) and had a great time. The kids loved it. It was their first time sailing in the ocean. Well, I knew that this boat would be too small for all of us (myself, my wife and five kids) and had in mind to trade up in time. I guess the time has already come. We will be looking for a boat between 36' and 45' now after we sell the 29' that we have. The nice thing about the 2-29 that we have is that we have a trailer for it so that it can be stored on the trailer when it does not need to be in the slip. Here is a short video clip of us motoring out over the bar here in Oregon: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14982841@N00/2539754031/ ( I hope it is ok to post this link here.) I want to thank all here for the help and information on "The Dreaded Beam" when I found I needed to replace it. The new Stainless beam that I made seems to be doing just fine. I am very pleased with the Farymann diesel that is in this boat - it is all that is needed for this boat and is very economical.

Greets: A while back I came across a page about an older sailor, a Canadian from Vancouver I believe, who retired and spend several years cruising the pacific on his CAL 2-29. For the life of me I cant find the page anymore, (I know it still exists as I only ready a month or two) googled like made but with no results. Should anyone be familiar with the page and owner I'm referring too I would really appreciate a forward or link the URL. Best and thanks -- /ch

Here 'tis: http://www.user.dccnet.com/rdarcy/CalStart.html Nick From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris H Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:57 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] CAL 2-29 Greets: A while back I came across a page about an older sailor, a Canadian from Vancouver I believe, who retired and spend several years cruising the pacific on his CAL 2-29. For the life of me I cant find the page anymore, (I know it still exists as I only ready a month or two) googled like made but with no results. Should anyone be familiar with the page and owner I'm referring too I would really appreciate a forward or link the URL. Best and thanks -- /ch ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links

On Wednesday 27 August 2008 21:11:15 Nick Evans wrote: > Here 'tis: > > http://www.user.dccnet.com/rdarcy/CalStart.html Eye, your a good lad, Nick...:) She be the one. -- /ch

Hello Cal Group I have a 2-29 for 6000.00 obo It has Yanmar that is rebuilt 2013New shaft 2004Cutlass Bearing 2004Ball valves 2004Fuel tank 18 gallons replaced 20055 year head 105 Leading Edge sails 2005150%main 2 reefs2 spinnakersand poleVHFKnot Digital 2004Depth Digital 2004Awl grip paint 2009Rigging led aft Link 20 battery monitor Force 10 stove oven two burnerMartec prop At coyote point willing to deal but not much the boat is not prefect for the cushions need workbut clean inside a clean goes for much more and who wants a Farryamn or gas.I have put new parts and stuff on this as needed.email off line it you have any questions ss… [at] yahoo.com

We have a 1974 CAL 2-29. I’ve noticed when I’m motoring I seem to take on water. Even on short motoring trips. I don’t seem to notice much when I’m under sail. Is it possible that motoring causes some sort of back feed in the hull drains? Has anyone had this problem? Thanks. Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586

Are you talking about water in the cockpit? Yes they csll in the Lapworth knotmeter. After 4 knots the rear squats down and water fills in from the drain hole.RandyCsl 2-29Out Patient Channel Islands CaSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7 edge. -------- Original message --------From: "Jimmy Schools ji… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: 4/19/19 19:47 (GMT-08:00) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 We have a 1974 CAL 2-29. I’ve noticed when I’m motoring I seem to take on water. Even on short motoring trips. I don’t seem to notice much when I’m under sail. Is it possible that motoring causes some sort of back feed in the hull drains? Has anyone had this problem? Thanks. Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586

How much water? I’m assuming you have an onboard motor. The stuffing box should drop a little. If the stuffing is worn down or worn out it will trickle water in through the prop shaft. I actually need to get off my ass and repack the stuffing box on my boat. > On Apr 19, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Jimmy Schools ji… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > We have a 1974 CAL 2-29. I’ve noticed when I’m motoring I seem to take on water. Even on short motoring trips. I don’t seem to notice much when I’m under sail. > > Is it possible that motoring causes some sort of back feed in the hull drains? Has anyone had this problem? > > Thanks. > Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 > >

The stuffing box area is dry so no leaking there. To clarify to everyone I’m not talking about water coming into the cockpit area from the drain hole at the stern. I plug that with a stopper plug whenever I motor. I actually can’t see where the water sits. It gathers somewhere between the stuffing box and the bilge pump area in the cabin. To give you a feel for how much, I pump it out with around 25 - 35 strokes of the manual bilge pump. Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 > On Apr 20, 2019, at 12:28 AM, Todd Howe <td… [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > > How much water? I’m assuming you have an onboard motor. The stuffing box should drop a little. If the stuffing is worn down or worn out it will trickle water in through the prop shaft. I actually need to get off my ass and repack the stuffing box on my boat. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 19, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Jimmy Schools ji… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> We have a 1974 CAL 2-29. I’ve noticed when I’m motoring I seem to take on water. Even on short motoring trips. I don’t seem to notice much when I’m under sail. >> >> Is it possible that motoring causes some sort of back feed in the hull drains? Has anyone had this problem? >> >> Thanks. >> Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 >> >>

25-30 strokes that's not a small amount - what sort of timeframe for that kind of build up? the only thing in that area on my 2-29 that I could see possible leaking in that area when motoring are: - stuffing box (which you've already discounted, although this was always the source of any water for me) - raw water through hull/hoses - strainer - water pump Is the keel void filling or just the bilge? Grae Morrison '72 Cal 2-29 'Destiny' Red Bank, NJ On 4/20/19 2:58 AM, Jimmy Schools ji… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote: > > The stuffing box area is dry so no leaking there. To clarify to > everyone I’m not talking about water coming into the cockpit area from > the drain hole at the stern. I plug that with a stopper plug whenever > I motor. > > > I actually can’t see where the water sits. It gathers somewhere > between the stuffing box and the bilge pump area in the cabin. To give > you a feel for how much, I pump it out with around 25 - 35 strokes of > the manual bilge pump. > > > > Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 > > On Apr 20, 2019, at 12:28 AM, Todd Howe <td… [at] yahoo.com > <mailto:td… [at] yahoo.com>> wrote: > >> How much water? I’m assuming you have an onboard motor. The stuffing >> box should drop a little. If the stuffing is worn down or worn out it >> will trickle water in through the prop shaft. I actually need to get >> off my ass and repack the stuffing box on my boat. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 19, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Jimmy Schools ji… [at] yahoo.com >> <mailto:ji… [at] yahoo.com> [Cal_Boats] >> <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com <mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>> wrote: >> >>> >>> We have a 1974 CAL 2-29. I’ve noticed when I’m motoring I seem to >>> take on water. Even on short motoring trips. I don’t seem to notice >>> much when I’m under sail. >>> >>> Is it possible that motoring causes some sort of back feed in the >>> hull drains? Has anyone had this problem? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 >>> >

A friend of mine on his Cal 227 had the same problem, perhaps worse. On the first run of the season his son went below and asked if there was supposed to be water on the floor. He quickly stopped the boat pumped out the bilge and looked for a leak. Not being able to find one he continued on to his home port where he found the bilge had filled again. This time he found the source of the leak. Under power the transom squats down and water came in from the transom drains, normally this just fills the cockpit and goes back out when the boat slows down, in this case he found a crack in one of the cockpit drain pipes. JohnB Cal 227 #650 Gotcha Again From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 10:48 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 We have a 1974 CAL 2-29. I’ve noticed when I’m motoring I seem to take on water. Even on short motoring trips. I don’t seem to notice much when I’m under sail. Is it possible that motoring causes some sort of back feed in the hull drains? Has anyone had this problem? Thanks. Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586

My 1976 Cal 2-34 does this as well when the forward water tank is empty and I have a full crew in the cockpit. The culprit for me is the bilge outlet, the thru hull of which is located on the underside of the transom. This forms a siphon any time the stern squats at speed and starts a cycle of siphon —> bilge pump activate —> siphon... eventually this will destroy the bilge pump. Solution for me is a higher bilge pump outlet and/or a siphon loop. On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 08:15 'John Boyce' je… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] < Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > A friend of mine on his Cal 227 had the same problem, perhaps worse. On > the first run of the season his son went below and asked if there was > supposed to be water on the floor. He quickly stopped the boat pumped out > the bilge and looked for a leak. Not being able to find one he continued > on to his home port where he found the bilge had filled again.. This time > he found the source of the leak. > > > > Under power the transom squats down and water came in from the transom > drains, normally this just fills the cockpit and goes back out when the > boat slows down, in this case he found a crack in one of the cockpit drain > pipes. > > > > JohnB > > Cal 227 #650 > > Gotcha Again > > > > *From:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > *Sent:* Friday, April 19, 2019 10:48 PM > *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 > > > > > > > We have a 1974 CAL 2-29. I’ve noticed when I’m motoring I seem to take on > water. Even on short motoring trips. I don’t seem to notice much when I’m > under sail.. > > Is it possible that motoring causes some sort of back feed in the hull > drains? Has anyone had this problem? > > Thanks. > Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 > > > -- William Alexander LeMay Patterson USA: 305-304-7970

I use to have the same problem, but it was intermittent. I was doing an around Anacapa Island race one time and one of the guys went below to get sandwiches. He yells up there is water in the cabin. I started the engine and hit the bilge pumps. I checked everywhere and couldn't find the source. It did it one more time on the down wind leg. Still couldn't find the source. The next few races everything was ok. On one of the longer races, the same two guys were aboard and the same thing happened, (they were big guys, one guy worked the main and the other trimmed the head sail). I looked everywhere. Then on the downwind leg back to Ventura, I had to take a leak over the stern. When a swell came buy, the bilge outlet was under the water, after the swell went buy it was ok. It was siphoning water into the keel.I put a anti siphon loop in and never had a problem since.RandyCal 2-29Out Patient Channel Islands Ca Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7 edge. -------- Original message --------From: "Al Patterson wa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: 4/20/19 05:30 (GMT-08:00) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 My 1976 Cal 2-34 does this as well when the forward water tank is empty and I have a full crew in the cockpit. The culprit for me is the bilge outlet, the thru hull of which is located on the underside of the transom. This forms a siphon any time the stern squats at speed and starts a cycle of siphon —> bilge pump activate —> siphon... eventually this will destroy the bilge pump. Solution for me is a higher bilge pump outlet and/or a siphon loop. On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 08:15 'John Boyce' je… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: A friend of mine on his Cal 227 had the same problem, perhaps worse. On the first run of the season his son went below and asked if there was supposed to be water on the floor. He quickly stopped the boat pumped out the bilge and looked for a leak. Not being able to find one he continued on to his home port where he found the bilge had filled again.. This time he found the source of the leak.. Under power the transom squats down and water came in from the transom drains, normally this just fills the cockpit and goes back out when the boat slows down, in this case he found a crack in one of the cockpit drain pipes. JohnBCal 227 #650Gotcha Again From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 10:48 PMTo: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.comSubject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 We have a 1974 CAL 2-29. I’ve noticed when I’m motoring I seem to take on water. Even on short motoring trips. I don’t seem to notice much when I’m under sail.. Is it possible that motoring causes some sort of back feed in the hull drains? Has anyone had this problem?Thanks. Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 -- William Alexander LeMay PattersonUSA: 305-304-7970

Check the shaft packing while you are running the engine and moving at the speed you normally go. Also look at the coolant water thru hull and hoses while at speed. Ralph 77 2-29 Portland OR > > On Apr 20, 2019 at 6:38 AM, <saylorran sa… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]> wrote: > > > > > > I use to have the same problem, but it was intermittent. I was doing an around Anacapa Island race one time and one of the guys went below to get sandwiches. He yells up there is water in the cabin. I started the engine and hit the bilge pumps. I checked everywhere and couldn't find the source. It did it one more time on the down wind leg. Still couldn't find the source. The next few races everything was ok. On one of the longer races, the same two guys were aboard and the same thing happened, (they were big guys, one guy worked the main and the other trimmed the head sail). I looked everywhere. Then on the downwind leg back to Ventura, I had to take a leak over the stern. When a swell came buy, the bilge outlet was under the water, after the swell went buy it was ok. It was siphoning water into the keel. > > > > I put a anti siphon loop in and never had a problem since. > > > > Randy > > Cal 2-29 > > Out Patient > > Channel Islands Ca > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7 edge. > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: "Al Patterson wa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > Date: 4/20/19 05:30 (GMT-08:00) > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 > > > > > > My 1976 Cal 2-34 does this as well when the forward water tank is empty and I have a full crew in the cockpit. The culprit for me is the bilge outlet, the thru hull of which is located on the underside of the transom. This forms a siphon any time the stern squats at speed and starts a cycle of siphon —> bilge pump activate —> siphon... eventually this will destroy the bilge pump. Solution for me is a higher bilge pump outlet and/or a siphon loop. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 08:15 'John Boyce' je… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine on his Cal 227 had the same problem, perhaps worse. On the first run of the season his son went below and asked if there was supposed to be water on the floor. He quickly stopped the boat pumped out the bilge and looked for a leak. Not being able to find one he continued on to his home port where he found the bilge had filled again.. This time he found the source of the leak.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Under power the transom squats down and water came in from the transom drains, normally this just fills the cockpit and goes back out when the boat slows down, in this case he found a crack in one of the cockpit drain pipes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JohnB > > > > > > > > Cal 227 #650 > > > > > > > > Gotcha Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 10:48 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have a 1974 CAL 2-29. I’ve noticed when I’m motoring I seem to take on water. Even on short motoring trips. I don’t seem to notice much when I’m under sail.. > > > > Is it possible that motoring causes some sort of back feed in the hull drains? Has anyone had this problem? > > > > Thanks. > > Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > William Alexander LeMay Patterson > USA: 305-304-7970 > > >

Sorry, didn't go back far enough to see if you addressed those areas. Ralph 77 2-29 Portland OR > > On Apr 20, 2019 at 6:38 AM, <saylorran sa… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]> wrote: > > > > > > I use to have the same problem, but it was intermittent. I was doing an around Anacapa Island race one time and one of the guys went below to get sandwiches. He yells up there is water in the cabin. I started the engine and hit the bilge pumps. I checked everywhere and couldn't find the source. It did it one more time on the down wind leg. Still couldn't find the source. The next few races everything was ok. On one of the longer races, the same two guys were aboard and the same thing happened, (they were big guys, one guy worked the main and the other trimmed the head sail). I looked everywhere. Then on the downwind leg back to Ventura, I had to take a leak over the stern. When a swell came buy, the bilge outlet was under the water, after the swell went buy it was ok. It was siphoning water into the keel. > > > > I put a anti siphon loop in and never had a problem since. > > > > Randy > > Cal 2-29 > > Out Patient > > Channel Islands Ca > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7 edge. > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: "Al Patterson wa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> > > Date: 4/20/19 05:30 (GMT-08:00) > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 > > > > > > My 1976 Cal 2-34 does this as well when the forward water tank is empty and I have a full crew in the cockpit. The culprit for me is the bilge outlet, the thru hull of which is located on the underside of the transom. This forms a siphon any time the stern squats at speed and starts a cycle of siphon —> bilge pump activate —> siphon... eventually this will destroy the bilge pump. Solution for me is a higher bilge pump outlet and/or a siphon loop. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 08:15 'John Boyce' je… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend of mine on his Cal 227 had the same problem, perhaps worse. On the first run of the season his son went below and asked if there was supposed to be water on the floor. He quickly stopped the boat pumped out the bilge and looked for a leak. Not being able to find one he continued on to his home port where he found the bilge had filled again.. This time he found the source of the leak.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Under power the transom squats down and water came in from the transom drains, normally this just fills the cockpit and goes back out when the boat slows down, in this case he found a crack in one of the cockpit drain pipes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JohnB > > > > > > > > Cal 227 #650 > > > > > > > > Gotcha Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 10:48 PM > > To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have a 1974 CAL 2-29. I’ve noticed when I’m motoring I seem to take on water. Even on short motoring trips. I don’t seem to notice much when I’m under sail.. > > > > Is it possible that motoring causes some sort of back feed in the hull drains? Has anyone had this problem? > > > > Thanks. > > Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > William Alexander LeMay Patterson > USA: 305-304-7970 > > >

I think I found the problem. There is no through hull fitting for the cockpit drain. This goes below the waterline when motoring. Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 > On Apr 20, 2019, at 12:00 PM, fsjralph fs… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Check the shaft packing while you are running the engine and moving at the speed you normally go. > Also look at the coolant water thru hull and hoses while at speed. > Ralph > 77 2-29 > Portland OR > > >> On Apr 20, 2019 at 6:38 AM, <saylorran sa… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]> wrote: >> >> >> I use to have the same problem, but it was intermittent. I was doing an around Anacapa Island race one time and one of the guys went below to get sandwiches. He yells up there is water in the cabin. I started the engine and hit the bilge pumps. I checked everywhere and couldn't find the source. It did it one more time on the down wind leg. Still couldn't find the source. The next few races everything was ok. On one of the longer races, the same two guys were aboard and the same thing happened, (they were big guys, one guy worked the main and the other trimmed the head sail). I looked everywhere. Then on the downwind leg back to Ventura, I had to take a leak over the stern. When a swell came buy, the bilge outlet was under the water, after the swell went buy it was ok. It was siphoning water into the keel. >> >> I put a anti siphon loop in and never had a problem since. >> >> Randy >> Cal 2-29 >> Out Patient >> Channel Islands Ca >> >> >> >> Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7 edge. >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "Al Patterson wa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >> Date: 4/20/19 05:30 (GMT-08:00) >> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 >> >> >> My 1976 Cal 2-34 does this as well when the forward water tank is empty and I have a full crew in the cockpit. The culprit for me is the bilge outlet, the thru hull of which is located on the underside of the transom. This forms a siphon any time the stern squats at speed and starts a cycle of siphon —> bilge pump activate —> siphon... eventually this will destroy the bilge pump. Solution for me is a higher bilge pump outlet and/or a siphon loop. >> >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 08:15 'John Boyce' je… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> A friend of mine on his Cal 227 had the same problem, perhaps worse. On the first run of the season his son went below and asked if there was supposed to be water on the floor. He quickly stopped the boat pumped out the bilge and looked for a leak. Not being able to find one he continued on to his home port where he found the bilge had filled again.. This time he found the source of the leak... >>> >>> >>> >>> Under power the transom squats down and water came in from the transom drains, normally this just fills the cockpit and goes back out when the boat slows down, in this case he found a crack in one of the cockpit drain pipes. >>> >>> >>> >>> JohnB >>> >>> Cal 227 #650 >>> >>> Gotcha Again >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] >>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 10:48 PM >>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> We have a 1974 CAL 2-29. I’ve noticed when I’m motoring I seem to take on water. Even on short motoring trips. I don’t seem to notice much when I’m under sail.. >>> >>> Is it possible that motoring causes some sort of back feed in the hull drains? Has anyone had this problem? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 >>> >> -- >> William Alexander LeMay Patterson >> USA: 305-304-7970 >> > >

Hi, a few here have experienced this in the past. We put a special (readily available at west marine and others). Scupper drain cover onto the outside of the hull through the transom. It is made to fit the scupper size, and has a flap that only allows water to exit. So simple but often ignored. Is this the hole you said you plugged? It is essentially a check valve concept. Keeps your feet dry. Secondly, if you have the usual cockpit floor fuel fill or remainder of that fill, look for an O-ring that gets old and cracked, another cheap fix often ignored. If you have separation of inner and outer transom scupper opening that is additionally letting water from following seas or draining, sand it down with rotary type bit, fill cracks with epoxy and filler, sand smooth, apply either/and some cloth. Sand again and apply gel coat finish. Then put the one way flapper on outside. This drain not running into the boat and out again is almost unique to the 29 and 2-27. The cockpit drains on bridge deck and in floor of cockpit of our 36 and the little drain hoses and junctions and then under the hull annoy me, seem like potential disaster. I hope to eventually Install a rear drain scupper from our cockpit. Taking a wave is like bathtime with the itty bitty drain holes. Helen, formerly Noah's Kid. Cal 29. Currently ExIndigo 2-27 of Santa Cruz, Cal 36 Caliente and Cal 39 Northern Light, of SF Bay. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 2:41 PM, Jimmy Schools ji… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]<Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: [Attachment(s) from Jimmy Schools included below] I think I found the problem. There is no through hull fitting for the cockpit drain. This goes below the waterline when motoring. Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 On Apr 20, 2019, at 12:00 PM, fsjralph fs… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: Check the shaft packing while you are running the engine and moving at the speed you normally go.Also look at the coolant water thru hull and hoses while at speed.Ralph77 2-29Portland OR On Apr 20, 2019 at 6:38 AM, <saylorran sa… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]> wrote: I use to have the same problem, but it was intermittent. I was doing an around Anacapa Island race one time and one of the guys went below to get sandwiches. He yells up there is water in the cabin. I started the engine and hit the bilge pumps. I checked everywhere and couldn't find the source. It did it one more time on the down wind leg. Still couldn't find the source. The next few races everything was ok. On one of the longer races, the same two guys were aboard and the same thing happened, (they were big guys, one guy worked the main and the other trimmed the head sail). I looked everywhere. Then on the downwind leg back to Ventura, I had to take a leak over the stern. When a swell came buy, the bilge outlet was under the water, after the swell went buy it was ok. It was siphoning water into the keel. I put a anti siphon loop in and never had a problem since. RandyCal 2-29Out Patient Channel Islands Ca -------- Original message --------From: "Al Patterson wa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> Date: 4/20/19 05:30 (GMT-08:00) To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, John Boyce <je… [at] gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 My 1976 Cal 2-34 does this as well when the forward water tank is empty and I have a full crew in the cockpit. The culprit for me is the bilge outlet, the thru hull of which is located on the underside of the transom. This forms a siphon any time the stern squats at speed and starts a cycle of siphon —> bilge pump activate —> siphon... eventually this will destroy the bilge pump. Solution for me is a higher bilge pump outlet and/or a siphon loop. On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 08:15 'John Boyce' je… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: A friend of mine on his Cal 227 had the same problem, perhaps worse. On the first run of the season his son went below and asked if there was supposed to be water on the floor. He quickly stopped the boat pumped out the bilge and looked for a leak. Not being able to find one he continued on to his home port where he found the bilge had filled again.. This time he found the source of the leak.... Under power the transom squats down and water came in from the transom drains, normally this just fills the cockpit and goes back out when the boat slows down, in this case he found a crack in one of the cockpit drain pipes. JohnB Cal 227 #650 Gotcha Again From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 10:48 PM To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 We have a 1974 CAL 2-29. I’ve noticed when I’m motoring I seem to take on water. Even on short motoring trips. I don’t seem to notice much when I’m under sail.. Is it possible that motoring causes some sort of back feed in the hull drains? Has anyone had this problem? Thanks. Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 -- William Alexander LeMay Patterson USA: 305-304-7970

Well. I found another problem and most likely the bigger cause. You guys were right in the first place. The stuffing box/seal is leaking. Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 > On Apr 20, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Helen Horn he… [at] sbcglobal.net [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > [Attachment(s) from Helen Horn included below] > Hi, a few here have experienced this in the past. We put a special (readily available at west marine and others). Scupper drain cover onto the outside of the hull through the transom. It is made to fit the scupper size, and has a flap that only allows water to exit. So simple but often ignored. Is this the hole you said you plugged? It is essentially a check valve concept. Keeps your feet dry. Secondly, if you have the usual cockpit floor fuel fill or remainder of that fill, look for an O-ring that gets old and cracked, another cheap fix often ignored. If you have separation of inner and outer transom scupper opening that is additionally letting water from following seas or draining, sand it down with rotary type bit, fill cracks with epoxy and filler, sand smooth, apply either/and some cloth. Sand again and apply gel coat finish. Then put the one way flapper on outside. This drain not running into the boat and out again is almost unique to the 29 and 2-27. The cockpit drains on bridge deck and in floor of cockpit of our 36 and the little drain hoses and junctions and then under the hull annoy me, seem like potential disaster. I hope to eventually Install a rear drain scupper from our cockpit. Taking a wave is like bathtime with the itty bitty drain holes. Helen, formerly Noah's Kid. Cal 29.. Currently ExIndigo 2-27 of Santa Cruz, Cal 36 Caliente and Cal 39 Northern Light, of SF Bay. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 2:41 PM, Jimmy Schools ji… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] > <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > [Attachment(s) from Jimmy Schools included below] > I think I found the problem. There is no through hull fitting for the cockpit drain. This goes below the waterline when motoring. > > > > > Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 > >> On Apr 20, 2019, at 12:00 PM, fsjralph fs… [at] aol.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> Check the shaft packing while you are running the engine and moving at the speed you normally go. >> Also look at the coolant water thru hull and hoses while at speed. >> Ralph >> 77 2-29 >> Portland OR >> >> >>> On Apr 20, 2019 at 6:38 AM, <saylorran sa… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I use to have the same problem, but it was intermittent. I was doing an around Anacapa Island race one time and one of the guys went below to get sandwiches. He yells up there is water in the cabin. I started the engine and hit the bilge pumps. I checked everywhere and couldn't find the source. It did it one more time on the down wind leg. Still couldn't find the source. The next few races everything was ok. On one of the longer races, the same two guys were aboard and the same thing happened, (they were big guys, one guy worked the main and the other trimmed the head sail). I looked everywhere. Then on the downwind leg back to Ventura, I had to take a leak over the stern. When a swell came buy, the bilge outlet was under the water, after the swell went buy it was ok. It was siphoning water into the keel. >>> >>> I put a anti siphon loop in and never had a problem since. >>> >>> Randy >>> Cal 2-29 >>> Out Patient >>> Channel Islands Ca >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7 edge. >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: "Al Patterson wa… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats]" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> >>> Date: 4/20/19 05:30 (GMT-08:00) >>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com, John Boyce <je… [at] gmail..com> >>> Subject: Re: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 >>> >>> >>> My 1976 Cal 2-34 does this as well when the forward water tank is empty and I have a full crew in the cockpit. The culprit for me is the bilge outlet, the thru hull of which is located on the underside of the transom. This forms a siphon any time the stern squats at speed and starts a cycle of siphon —> bilge pump activate —> siphon... eventually this will destroy the bilge pump. Solution for me is a higher bilge pump outlet and/or a siphon loop. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 08:15 'John Boyce' je… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> A friend of mine on his Cal 227 had the same problem, perhaps worse. On the first run of the season his son went below and asked if there was supposed to be water on the floor. He quickly stopped the boat pumped out the bilge and looked for a leak. Not being able to find one he continued on to his home port where he found the bilge had filled again.. This time he found the source of the leak.... >>> >>> >>> >>> Under power the transom squats down and water came in from the transom drains, normally this just fills the cockpit and goes back out when the boat slows down, in this case he found a crack in one of the cockpit drain pipes. >>> >>> >>> >>> JohnB >>> >>> Cal 227 #650 >>> >>> Gotcha Again >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] >>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 10:48 PM >>> To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: [Cal_Boats] Cal 2-29 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> We have a 1974 CAL 2-29. I’ve noticed when I’m motoring I seem to take on water. Even on short motoring trips. I don’t seem to notice much when I’m under sail.. >>> >>> Is it possible that motoring causes some sort of back feed in the hull drains? Has anyone had this problem? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Jimmy Schools - Sent from my iPhone 757 771-1586 >>> >>> -- >>> William Alexander LeMay Patterson >>> USA: 305-304-7970 >>> >> > >