12 messages2012-10-05 22:37 UTCthrough 2019-10-04 15:46 UTC
Season Over
david dobbs2012-10-05 22:37 UTC
Chris C,
Took the stick down yesterday, put it on the rack and the CAL is ready to go downriver. Probably next Wednesday, we only do the trip in good weather. I'm rushing the season but I bought a pair of almost unused XC skis in New Hampshire at a resale shop for $5, and they are designated right and left. How old do you think they are? I know what you mean, I live in a house built in 1912, and we are the second owners. The neighborhood has a total mix, by decade of different styles. People who move here tend to stay, good schools, good transportation and quiet. For me it's a 40 minute trip to my harbor, a little more to my storage yard. Not bad for a major metro area.
David Dobbs CAL29 411
Re: [Cal_Boats] Season Over
Gerald Sobel2012-10-05 23:11 UTC
I know what you guys mean. Our Tuesday nite race is finishing in the dark these days, with light winds.
I don't know if I'll try for Catalina Island this weekend for the Buck an Ear Convention, as me OB is on the blinkitty still. How small can I gap the plug and get enuff spark to make it run? The spark coil inside the flywheel is shorted out. It's already down to .008" and its refusing to start, mostly.
Jerry
From: david dobbs <tm… [at] yahoo.com>
To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:37 PM
Subject: [Cal_Boats] Season Over
Chris C,
Took the stick down yesterday, put it on the rack and the CAL is ready to go downriver. Probably next Wednesday, we only do the trip in good weather. I'm rushing the season but I bought a pair of almost unused XC skis in New Hampshire at a resale shop for $5, and they are designated right and left. How old do you think they are? I know what you mean, I live in a house built in 1912, and we are the second owners. The neighborhood has a total mix, by decade of different styles. People who move here tend to stay, good schools, good transportation and quiet. For me it's a 40 minute trip to my harbor, a little more to my storage yard. Not bad for a major metro area.
David Dobbs CAL29 411
RE: [External] [Cal_Boats] Season Over
Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)2012-10-06 01:14 UTC
You guys are weird. We start Frostbite (SAIL) racing first Sunday in November and keep it up unless the Severn River freezes over. Got a bit of a feeling that might happen this year. Anybody want to try it, let me know. But only on a 20 degree 20 knot day. Keeps it interesting. At least there are no power boat wakes in those conditions. The big risk is the confined space (check out Google maps on the area around the Naval Academy.
Tomorrow is Good Old Boat Regatta in Annapolis (my baby). Lotta work, but worth it. Race and party share equal value.
Cheers
Charlie
From: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:38 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Season Over
Chris C,
Took the stick down yesterday, put it on the rack and the CAL is ready to go downriver. Probably next Wednesday, we only do the trip in good weather. I'm rushing the season but I bought a pair of almost unused XC skis in New Hampshire at a resale shop for $5, and they are designated right and left. How old do you think they are? I know what you mean, I live in a house built in 1912, and we are the second owners. The neighborhood has a total mix, by decade of different styles. People who move here tend to stay, good schools, good transportation and quiet. For me it's a 40 minute trip to my harbor, a little more to my storage yard. Not bad for a major metro area.
David Dobbs CAL29 411
Re: [External] [Cal_Boats] Season Over
Gerald Sobel2012-10-06 01:28 UTC
Charlie,
I never understood the forstbite racing, altho I admit, I sailed my home made Glen-L 12' death catamaran (which I'd swamped in the Atalantic a month before) in Yelowstone Lake a few days after the ice melted, with 33 degree water at 7000' and sudden thunderstorms whipping thru. I warned the pretty blonde German girl I'd met, who was working at the Hotel, who I invited along sailing, but she wan't worried at all (I sure was!).
Do you ship in hungry polar bears from Alaska to act as life guards if someone capsizes? I'll bet they'd save you for the (dinner) party after the race.
Jerry
From: "Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE)" <hu… [at] bah.com>
To: "Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com" <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 6:14 PM
Subject: RE: [External] [Cal_Boats] Season Over
You guys are weird. We start Frostbite (SAIL) racing first Sunday in November and keep it up unless the Severn River freezes over. Got a bit of a feeling that might happen this year. Anybody want to try it, let me know. But only on a 20 degree 20 knot day. Keeps it interesting. At least there are no power boat wakes in those conditions. The big risk is the confined space (check out Google maps on the area around the Naval Academy.
Tomorrow is Good Old Boat Regatta in Annapolis (my baby). Lotta work, but worth it. Race and party share equal value.
Cheers
Charlie
From:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of david dobbs
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:38 PM
To: Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
Subject: [External] [Cal_Boats] Season Over
Chris C,
Took the stick down yesterday, put it on the rack and the CAL is ready to go downriver. Probably next Wednesday, we only do the trip in good weather. I'm rushing the season but I bought a pair of almost unused XC skis in New Hampshire at a resale shop for
$5, and they are designated right and left. How old do you think they are? I know what you mean, I live in a house built in 1912, and we are the second owners. The neighborhood has a total mix, by decade of different styles. People who move here tend to
stay, good schools, good transportation and quiet. For me it's a 40 minute trip to my harbor, a little more to my storage yard. Not bad for a major metro area.
David Dobbs CAL29 411
Re: [Cal_Boats] Season Over
Chris Campbell2012-10-08 13:42 UTC
On 10/5/2012 6:37 PM, david dobbs wrote:
>
>
> Chris C,
> Took the stick down yesterday, put it on the rack and the CAL is ready
> to go downriver. Probably next Wednesday, we only do the trip in good
> weather.
My other boat comes out next Monday. At this time of year the sailing
opportunities are harder to come by. The weather doesn't cooperate.
Saturday it was blustery--single-handing would have been a bit of a
challenge and it would have been cold. Sunday the forecast said
showers--it sprinkled for 5 min. at about 5 p.m. but it would have been
cold out there. In August I always think "maybe I'll leave the boat in
later this year." In October I think, "now I remember why I always pull
out at this time each year."
The Cal 20 has her winter cover in place. She came out a week later
than usual because my hauler had fallen down some stairs and damaged his
ribs and collarbone. She slid right onto the trailer---I got the keel
exactly in its slot on the first try. It was about time because my
varnished mahogany tiller had a total film failure at the end of the
summer. The varnish developed big cracks all over the top. I've been
varnishing on boats for 45 years now and haven't seen anything like it.
It causes dark thoughts about modern varnish formulations. This rush to
eliminate VOCs from solvent-based finishes is not all good.
The good news is that I calculate that Cal 20 #1220, the lovely /Martha
C/, left her mooring more frequently than any other local boat again
this summer.
> I'm rushing the season but I bought a pair of almost unused XC skis
> in New Hampshire at a resale shop for $5, and they are designated
> right and left. How old do you think they are?
All of mine are identified as R or L and I just assumed it should be
that way until I read your comment and wondered why. Mine are all the
old 75 mm 3-pin variety bindings and they are symmetrical. So maybe
when snow flies here I'll put L ski on R foot and see if the world ends.
Chris Campbell
Re: [External] [Cal_Boats] Season Over
Chris Campbell2012-10-08 14:24 UTC
On 10/5/2012 9:14 PM, Husar, Charlie [USA] (ASE) wrote:
>
>
> You guys are weird. We start Frostbite (SAIL) racing first Sunday in
> November and keep it up unless the Severn River freezes over. Got a
> bit of a feeling that might happen this year. Anybody want to try it,
> let me know. But only on a 20 degree 20 knot day. Keeps it
> interesting. At least there are no power boat wakes in those
> conditions. The big risk is the confined space (check out Google maps
> on the area around the Naval Academy.
>
When I was in grad school I sailed in the U-M sailing club, which had a
facility on Base Line Lake, a little inland lake north and west of Ann
Arbor. We'd race into November. We were mostly young and completely
foolish so the limiting factor was the ice forming on sheets until they
wouldn't run through the blocks. Because it was a small lake, there
were no large seas and rescue was near at hand.
I used to get all unhappy at having to take my boats out in the fall.
In my extremely late middle age (to use Garrison Keillor's phrase for
getting old), I've learned to accept the inevitability of seasonal
progression. No amount of sighing and pining is going to keep the Lakes
from freezing.
If somebody else wants to leave their boat in until the job of hauling
it is torture, I'd be happy to crew for them on a nice sunny day, or at
least one in which survival is likely. But I'm kinda happy that one
boat is out and the other will be in a week.
Chris Campbell
> Tomorrow is Good Old Boat Regatta in Annapolis (my baby). Lotta work,
> but worth it. Race and party share equal value.
>
> Cheers
>
> Charlie
>
> *From:*Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *david dobbs
> *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 6:38 PM
> *To:* Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [External] [Cal_Boats] Season Over
>
>
>
>
> Chris C,
> Took the stick down yesterday, put it on the rack and the CAL is ready
> to go downriver. Probably next Wednesday, we only do the trip in good
> weather. I'm rushing the season but I bought a pair of almost unused
> XC skis in New Hampshire at a resale shop for $5, and they are
> designated right and left. How old do you think they are? I know
> what you mean, I live in a house built in 1912, and we are the second
> owners. The neighborhood has a total mix, by decade of different
> styles. People who move here tend to stay, good schools, good
> transportation and quiet. For me it's a 40 minute trip to my harbor,
> a little more to my storage yard. Not bad for a major metro area.
> David Dobbs CAL29 411
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Sail Question
Robert Libbert2012-10-08 16:59 UTC
All,
Thanks in advance for advice. My T/2 cam with two mains. I was out sailing today and noted how bad the current main was, but assumed the one in the bag at the house would be even worse off, after all why else would it not be on the boat?
So I took it out an lo and behold it seems much better than the old main. No discoloration, etc. However it's -very- stiff (but no cracking) and it looks like it was just stuffed in the bag so it's very, very wrinkled.
Two questions:
1. How can I further gauge it's condition without putting it on the boat?
2. Is there a good way to de-wrinkle, or will the wrinkles come out after I sail with it a few times?
Thanks,
Rob
Season Over
david dobbs2019-10-04 00:26 UTC
Took the mast down today, took the spreaders off, secured the shrouds and put it on the mast rack. Took about an hour, our club steward is very deliberate. No one gets hurt. He operates the crane and my crew, (three of us), detach the shrouds and guide it as it is lowered. Actually it's a gin pole with an electric hoist. The boat is noticeably lighter without the mast. River trip to storage is next. Time to dream about next year.David Dobbs Cal29 411.
Re: [Cal_Boats] Season Over
Donald Thomas2019-10-04 00:31 UTC
Rehearsing that same sad day up here at 9.300 feet. We've already had
nights in the 20-22 F range,...so it's time. Time to start the maintenance
that will make next year that much better!
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:27 PM david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <
Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Took the mast down today, took the spreaders off, secured the shrouds and
> put it on the mast rack. Took about an hour, our club steward is very
> deliberate. No one gets hurt. He operates the crane and my crew, (three
> of us), detach the shrouds and guide it as it is lowered. Actually it's a
> gin pole with an electric hoist. The boat is noticeably lighter without
> the mast. River trip to storage is next. Time to dream about next year.
> David Dobbs Cal29 411.
>
>
>
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Breckenridge, Colorado
970-409-9133
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Season Over
Gerald Sobel2019-10-04 01:45 UTC
My condolences to you season challenged sailors.
We have two more regattas coming up on Saturdays. This Sat. is the Oktoberfest Regatta, two random leg races for the "cruiser class" boats (meaning, good olde boats exclusive of J boats and sport boats) but none-the-less possessing certain race worthy characteristics of what used to be considered typical PHRF boats, in other words, sprayed on bottoms, laminate or in some cases, even carboniferous, filamentatious sails, and multifarious sail shape adjusters (untypical of my former steed, Shpritz) all caused by an irrational arms race not unlike the pre-WWI Dreadnaughts, or the Cold War or the current un-labled arms war between US, Russia, and China. But I digress....all designed to presage the imbibing of Germanic Wheat Beers and carcinogenically preserved, cooked non "human" flesh...and mustard ladened mega-pretzels, with some dressed with large blood pressure inflating giant sodium chloride crystals.
One more weekend Regatta for us good olde boaters after that in mid Oct., the PMYC (Pacific [or 'pickled'] Mariner's Y.C.) Heather Perkoff Regatta, and four more Tuesday nite races (The VMF, or Venture MacGregor Fleet-stil named in honor of our now extinct MacGregor built boats) before the end of Daylite Savings puts an end to our raghauler boat competitions. After a holiday recess wherein some people convert their boats into combination foot ball game 'homecoming' floats and Holiday Tree floats, and the racing resumes here in So. Cal, because, well, we can.Jerry of "Gran Dillusion" Cal 24-1 #61.
On Thursday, October 3, 2019, 5:31:24 PM PDT, Donald Thomas dn… [at] gmail.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Rehearsing that same sad day up here at 9.300 feet. We've already had nights in the 20-22 F range,...so it's time. Time to start the maintenance that will make next year that much better!
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:27 PM david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Took the mast down today, took the spreaders off, secured the shrouds and put it on the mast rack. Took about an hour, our club steward is very deliberate. No one gets hurt. He operates the crane and my crew, (three of us), detach the shrouds and guide it as it is lowered. Actually it's a gin pole with an electric hoist. The boat is noticeably lighter without the mast. River trip to storage is next. Time to dream about next year.David Dobbs Cal29 411.
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Re: [Cal_Boats] Season Over
ccampbell2019-10-04 14:56 UTC
Cal 20 # 1220, the lovely /Martha C/, hauled out on Sept. 19. She's my
after-work sailing opportunity and by mid-Sept. the days get too short.
I had been taking a hour's vacation time at the end of good-weather days
to let me get out. The boat lies on a mooring, too, which means that
she's exposed to the fall storms if she stays in. This year I had the
boat hauler lift my mast off with his crane. It's easy to step/unstep
but it requires two people, and finding fit people who are willing &
available can be a challenge.
Living with the seasons means you have to accept that you can't stop
them, and while it may be sad to see another year of sailing end, we
can look forward to other activities for the next few months. Those
begin with boat maintenance. My hull had accumulated a pretty good crop
of algae along the waterline plus the usual mineral accumulation. Both
came off with a couple evenings' work with a bucket of vinegar. I
sanded and varnished the mahogany pads under my foredeck mooring cleats
and the jib sheet cam cleats. I need to get the sails, porta-potti, and
outboard motor off the boat, varnish a mahogany pad for the stern
navigation light, and re-seat the starboard light that had stopped
working. Both jibsheet winches need to be lubed. Maybe the rain will stop.
I usually fold the sails and store them off the boat, but my small house
doesn't have much suitable storage. I'm thinking about folding them and
leaving them on the boat this year, arranged so as to allow air
movement. Maybe I'll make a screen for the cockpit seat locker so I can
leave the lid lifted for better winter air circulation while keeping
raccoons and other critters out.
My other boat lives in a marina and she doesn't come out until Oct. 21.
Fall sailing has been a bit sparse this year because weekends have been
too windy, too rainy, too uncertain, or a combination of those. I'm
hoping to get out this weekend.
Chris Campbell
On 10/3/2019 8:26 PM, david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote:
>
>
> Took the mast down today, took the spreaders off, secured the shrouds
> and put it on the mast rack. Took about an hour, our club steward is
> very deliberate. No one gets hurt. He operates the crane and my
> crew, (three of us), detach the shrouds and guide it as it is
> lowered. Actually it's a gin pole with an electric hoist. The boat is
> noticeably lighter without the mast. River trip to storage is next.
> Time to dream about next year.
> David Dobbs Cal29 411.
>
>
>
>
Re: [Cal_Boats] Season Over
Doug Hoffman2019-10-04 15:46 UTC
The thing that many people know about a Great Lakes boat is that its chronological age is less than half that of a salt water year-round-usage boat. Obviously since we can only use our boats for about 5 months per year that greatly reduces the effective age. Perhaps just as importantly our boats only see salt-free water. Corrosion? What's that?
Of course I would accept the higher aging rate if I could sail year round. But since work, family, and other factors have us located here we accept the situation and do a *lot* of sailing from early May through late October. The rest of the year is for other activities.It is what it is.
-Doug 1987 Cal 33-2 Port Sanilac, Michigan
> On Oct 4, 2019, at 10:56 AM, ccampbell cc… [at] lsnm.org [Cal_Boats] <Ca… [at] yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Cal 20 # 1220, the lovely Martha C, hauled out on Sept. 19. She's my after-work sailing opportunity and by mid-Sept. the days get too short. I had been taking a hour's vacation time at the end of good-weather days to let me get out. The boat lies on a mooring, too, which means that she's exposed to the fall storms if she stays in. This year I had the boat hauler lift my mast off with his crane. It's easy to step/unstep but it requires two people, and finding fit people who are willing & available can be a challenge.
>
> Living with the seasons means you have to accept that you can't stop them, and while it may be sad to see another year of sailing end, we can look forward to other activities for the next few months. Those begin with boat maintenance. My hull had accumulated a pretty good crop of algae along the waterline plus the usual mineral accumulation. Both came off with a couple evenings' work with a bucket of vinegar. I sanded and varnished the mahogany pads under my foredeck mooring cleats and the jib sheet cam cleats. I need to get the sails, porta-potti, and outboard motor off the boat, varnish a mahogany pad for the stern navigation light, and re-seat the starboard light that had stopped working. Both jibsheet winches need to be lubed. Maybe the rain will stop.
>
> I usually fold the sails and store them off the boat, but my small house doesn't have much suitable storage. I'm thinking about folding them and leaving them on the boat this year, arranged so as to allow air movement. Maybe I'll make a screen for the cockpit seat locker so I can leave the lid lifted for better winter air circulation while keeping raccoons and other critters out.
>
> My other boat lives in a marina and she doesn't come out until Oct. 21. Fall sailing has been a bit sparse this year because weekends have been too windy, too rainy, too uncertain, or a combination of those. I'm hoping to get out this weekend.
>
> Chris Campbell
>
> On 10/3/2019 8:26 PM, david dobbs tm… [at] yahoo.com [Cal_Boats] wrote:
>> Took the mast down today, took the spreaders off, secured the shrouds and put it on the mast rack. Took about an hour, our club steward is very deliberate. No one gets hurt. He operates the crane and my crew, (three of us), detach the shrouds and guide it as it is lowered. Actually it's a gin pole with an electric hoist. The boat is noticeably lighter without the mast. River trip to storage is next. Time to dream about next year.
>> David Dobbs Cal29 411.
>>
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